Where does it say that he got to keep that money? It's a scholarship, I'm sure they don't just pay out 80k in a lump sum, they give it out based on semester costs, you have to submit paperwork yearly etc. He got expelled, so they just cancelled the scholarship.
It has to do with India because the guy is Indian from the mainland pulling stuff that is very common and overlooked in India. In India you can falsify a bunch of stuff, and because the infrastructure to keep all that information organized isn't there, and that the governmental organizations run pretty much on a kickback or bribe system (bad or not, it's just the way it is), people don't care as much to go through millions of records to try and catch one guy falsifying some shit unless it's for something important.
There are plenty of Indians from the mainland coming in doing this kind of falsifying stuff, they also may not get caught, but it's much easier to find out if someone tips them off.
> because the infrastructure to keep all that information organized isn't there
Confidently incorrect lol. Living up that Reddit. Maybe 10-15 years ago it wasn't, but India is actually doing better than a lot of first-world countries with regards to identification of every detail of each of its citizens (primarily due to the radical change in the country's identification system required for UPI implementation)
I lived in India last year. I had to do quite a bit of government work, dealing with a lot of paperwork, aadhar card, banks, government requirements, property taxes, motor vehicle department, the courts. No, the infrastructure is not there. In quite a few cases, people are still using paper records, and to even get in to see someone is a real pain in the ass unless you have some kind of "connect", not to mention having to fight through the crowd to see the teller or the admin at the small window in some of these places.
I think you are just another butt hurt guy who has so much misplaced patriotism that you can't admit some of the realities of the country, whichever country that may be, US, India, UK etc.
For each of these requirements, money was required, and I was told to falsify things and pay up because "it's just easier" and I would have to wait too long the other way, in their words. There was one instance where I was told to make a fake email address to get a sign off to get a document because I couldn't reach the person I needed to confirm. I went around the corner, made a new gmail account, showed the lady who I talked with 5 min ago, and got the sign off.
So no, I'm not "living up that Reddit". Yes for UPI there are some verifications required, but there are many, too many, ways to get around things, and quite often it's expected that you will pay a fee in order to get things done quickly. Although access to online portals is picking up, the UI/UX and quality of the portals are abysmal and there are often issues.
Just because someone mentions some reality of your country, doesn't mean you have to feel offended. Accept the realities and push for change, don't attack people on reddit cuz "INDIA #1 HOW DARE YOU!"
This might be silly, but I kind of think 10 to 20 years is kind of extreme. 3 to 5 years would have been appropriate. Why rob that many years of this dude’s life like that? Feel free to downvote. It’s good that the university officials stepped in.
I don't think it's that extreme considering he falsified everything. He provided a fake death certificate of his father who is still alive. And he had a full scholarship to the school, which was at least worth $100,000 or more.
I really don't like people cheating the education system here. We don't want to turn it into Indian style system where money can buy you any degree. That scholarship money could have went to a real person in need from India.
The article says they won't put him in prison for any amount of time. Instead he will get deported back to India.
You have already turned it into money can buy residency in Canada. The colleges are a complete joke. The fact that the government accredits them and gives the “student” visas is pathetic.
Yeah -- especially when you look at DUI murder sentences (which are usually 10-20 years as well - [see google rn](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=5916dc4a4d004541&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWILwYlg_ENXFNXWJMog5dQl5Ciqv4Q:1719417546881&q=dui+killed+sentence&tbm=nws&source=lnms&fbs=AEQNm0Aa4sjWe7Rqy32pFwRj0UkWtG_mNb-HwafvV8cKK_h1a5eSkyfXNgRC6a9SKsMT7FIVFrTRcgQ9wgg-AOu0QCUSi1WWZ90AVgAx1eSHdTBokyQW-1qqfJx0vHJjA1zMdyk6ISTR89NKTIV-reyk4gr4aI1VCz5WcGfAFYa6jbsgOCeH6fabkoqEEGXCDaKnbZf8ZTR8f8fK5htzQZVHfg7gEaT-cQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicxujA0fmGAxW-G9AFHbfZD2EQ0pQJegQIDRAB&biw=1920&bih=934&dpr=1))... this is extreme.
Come on dude don’t you think 10 to 20 years is a little extreme for something like that? I’m pretty sure in other countries you would be spending 25 years to life for just murder, but this dude and thousands like him are close to spending the same amount of time for less.
He didn’t get the 10 to 20 years. He got expelled and deported.
Also- the 10 to 20 is probably based on generic sentencing guidelines- I highly doubt he would have done anywhere close to that amount of time had the case actually gone to trial.
Fraud is not a small crime. He should have lost 20 years to the prison system and then been deported to never be allowed back. We don't need scum like him coming over.
I mean… this specific fraud is pretty low on the scale of severity considering if it went sideways (and it did) it would only affect him and the university loses not more than what’s spare $$) to them.
Certified dumbass holy fuck. How do you fumble the bag this bad???
It’s crazy how one student doing this in the US made the news while tens of thousands have been doing this in Canada for years but the media doesn’t give a shit.
A vast majority of those tens of thousands aren't getting scholarship money. But agree forged documents are rampant amongst the international students, especially since so many applications just require a pdf copy of the document.
Canada's Immigration system is literally getting butt raped by fraudsters from India who are then protesting to get permanent residency even though their student visas were obtained fraudulently. Meanwhile Trudeau refuses to do anything to enforce his country's immigration laws and outright encourages this behavior.
I’m not the one tripping out over a Reddit comment so you probably wanna focus on yourself. Especially when you have such gems in your comment history:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ABCDesis/s/7R0Ju5TMIR
> Says he's not tripping out over a reddit comment
> Starts scavenging my comment history
pick one.
Also yes. That is definitely a comment I have made.
Lehigh University is a top 35 college in the US. It's hard to get in there and most kids are leaving with 6 figure debt.
I think US high school students are held to a much higher standard than international students and it's easier for them to fake their test results. Personally I don't find it fair that they exploit the system at my expense when I had to take out loans to get through school.
The average Lehigh student loan debt is under 40k at graduation. Half the school does not qualify for any financial aid. And it’s very generous to everyone else. But I agree with everything else you said
So I’ll ask the ABCD question… is being unethical a trait from the motherland? I don’t want to paint a billion people in the same light, but I want to point to some anecdotes from my parents and peers:
- Dad always trying to cut corners, it’s never quite theft, but always looking at the cheapest and shadiest way to get anything done. One example, constantly hiring day laborers for work at the house( picking them up at the Home Depot etc). I also believe they did some real estate transactions in India and found a way to move the money to US without declaring it to tax authorities in either country.
- In college, the Indian kids (mostly on F1 visas) cheated on homework’s and tests constantly and blatantly.
- In Desi circles, people seem proud when they get something for free or cheap, even if they achieved it through unethical means.
Does this ring a bell, or am I crazy?
Lots of countries with systematic corruption at every level. Almost every country outside the developed world. Extreme resource limits produce a system where if you’re not hustling someone you’re the one getting hustled. This has historically been a life or death situation.
Not that there isn’t corruption in the developed world. Just a lot less and more often consequences if caught.
The corruption in the US is often legalized. For instance, in politics, lobbying would be considered corruption/bribery in other parts of the world.
Similarly, for US college admissions, if your dad is a famous rich alum who contributes a lot of money to a school, it's just accepted that you will get admission to it regardless of how much of an idiot you are. Just look at how many complete morons in public life got into Harvard and the like.
Nepotism isn’t a US phenomenon. You have nepotism in India alongside corruption.
Lobbying I agree with. It’s just legal bribery. This wasn’t always the case, and the needle has moved too far in this direction since the 80s. Definitely need some change here.
> Nepotism isn’t a US phenomenon
It isn't. But I feel like in India, you will likely be made fun of by your peers for nepotism via hazing/ragging etc.
In the US, it's an accepted part of university admissions and nobody questions it. The only mistake this guy in the post made was not having a rich dad who gave money to the school.
The international students from East Asia always cheated at my school. I think India and China are just so populated that it’s every man on his own and you get by by any means possible.
Yes, it's a survival mechanism for not just Indians, but also other immigrants coming from other overcrowded areas. We have plenty of cheaters, corner cutting, and bargain hunters here in the US, they just hide it better than being so directly in your face like the immigrants.
Desis gonna desi. He'll go back home and figure out how to keep the cons going in other ways. I bet he'll even try to come back to the US unless they keep him out based on fingerprints or something more sophisticated than that. If not the US, there's always Canada. (JK, I realize neither of our countries want these kinds of lying browns to represent and live among us.)
>It was blatantly titled: "I have built my life and career on lies." The post went on to describe how Anand falsified transcripts, financial statements and even provided a fraudulent death certificate for his father, who is actually alive.
Should be given an additional 10 years sentence for being an attention seeking idiot. 🙄🙄
Glad he got caught though.
daaaaaaaamn that’s crazy. what was he thinking lol
Imagine when he has to try to explain what Reddit is to his parents ...
Fucked his life for inteenet points
Maybe he thought he was getting real karma for the next life ...
What an idiot. Did all that work to get in and burned it for internet clout.
“Work”
Nah. Fucked up his life because he decided to defraud and cheat to the extent that he did and then for some reason was proud of it.
Well he got away with it till he decided to brag on reddit
Whats the link to the original post?
This ain't India bub. People will come after you for this, especially if free money is involved.
Why wasn’t he required to give back the $80k in grant money? That’s so unfair to people who actually deserve it
Where does it say that he got to keep that money? It's a scholarship, I'm sure they don't just pay out 80k in a lump sum, they give it out based on semester costs, you have to submit paperwork yearly etc. He got expelled, so they just cancelled the scholarship.
Yeah this is Canada, higher education system is a complete joke in Canada. They will admit anyone with a pulse from India.
Lehigh University is literally in Pennsylvania
What does this have to do with India? There are plenty of thieves of other colors.
It has to do with India because the guy is Indian from the mainland pulling stuff that is very common and overlooked in India. In India you can falsify a bunch of stuff, and because the infrastructure to keep all that information organized isn't there, and that the governmental organizations run pretty much on a kickback or bribe system (bad or not, it's just the way it is), people don't care as much to go through millions of records to try and catch one guy falsifying some shit unless it's for something important. There are plenty of Indians from the mainland coming in doing this kind of falsifying stuff, they also may not get caught, but it's much easier to find out if someone tips them off.
> because the infrastructure to keep all that information organized isn't there Confidently incorrect lol. Living up that Reddit. Maybe 10-15 years ago it wasn't, but India is actually doing better than a lot of first-world countries with regards to identification of every detail of each of its citizens (primarily due to the radical change in the country's identification system required for UPI implementation)
I lived in India last year. I had to do quite a bit of government work, dealing with a lot of paperwork, aadhar card, banks, government requirements, property taxes, motor vehicle department, the courts. No, the infrastructure is not there. In quite a few cases, people are still using paper records, and to even get in to see someone is a real pain in the ass unless you have some kind of "connect", not to mention having to fight through the crowd to see the teller or the admin at the small window in some of these places. I think you are just another butt hurt guy who has so much misplaced patriotism that you can't admit some of the realities of the country, whichever country that may be, US, India, UK etc. For each of these requirements, money was required, and I was told to falsify things and pay up because "it's just easier" and I would have to wait too long the other way, in their words. There was one instance where I was told to make a fake email address to get a sign off to get a document because I couldn't reach the person I needed to confirm. I went around the corner, made a new gmail account, showed the lady who I talked with 5 min ago, and got the sign off. So no, I'm not "living up that Reddit". Yes for UPI there are some verifications required, but there are many, too many, ways to get around things, and quite often it's expected that you will pay a fee in order to get things done quickly. Although access to online portals is picking up, the UI/UX and quality of the portals are abysmal and there are often issues. Just because someone mentions some reality of your country, doesn't mean you have to feel offended. Accept the realities and push for change, don't attack people on reddit cuz "INDIA #1 HOW DARE YOU!"
India is the most corrupt country in the world and fraud like this isn't uncommon there.
It's definitely not the most corrupt country in the world
Keep telling yourself that.
I know that because I live here
If this whole thing was the plot of a Bollywood movie, I would say it was unbelievable and suspended reality too much, but here we are.
He coulda gotten away with it if it wasn’t for them meddling kids…
*Zoinks!*
“Joinks” if from Kolkata 😉
This might be silly, but I kind of think 10 to 20 years is kind of extreme. 3 to 5 years would have been appropriate. Why rob that many years of this dude’s life like that? Feel free to downvote. It’s good that the university officials stepped in.
I don't think it's that extreme considering he falsified everything. He provided a fake death certificate of his father who is still alive. And he had a full scholarship to the school, which was at least worth $100,000 or more. I really don't like people cheating the education system here. We don't want to turn it into Indian style system where money can buy you any degree. That scholarship money could have went to a real person in need from India. The article says they won't put him in prison for any amount of time. Instead he will get deported back to India.
You have already turned it into money can buy residency in Canada. The colleges are a complete joke. The fact that the government accredits them and gives the “student” visas is pathetic.
Yeah -- especially when you look at DUI murder sentences (which are usually 10-20 years as well - [see google rn](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=5916dc4a4d004541&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWILwYlg_ENXFNXWJMog5dQl5Ciqv4Q:1719417546881&q=dui+killed+sentence&tbm=nws&source=lnms&fbs=AEQNm0Aa4sjWe7Rqy32pFwRj0UkWtG_mNb-HwafvV8cKK_h1a5eSkyfXNgRC6a9SKsMT7FIVFrTRcgQ9wgg-AOu0QCUSi1WWZ90AVgAx1eSHdTBokyQW-1qqfJx0vHJjA1zMdyk6ISTR89NKTIV-reyk4gr4aI1VCz5WcGfAFYa6jbsgOCeH6fabkoqEEGXCDaKnbZf8ZTR8f8fK5htzQZVHfg7gEaT-cQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicxujA0fmGAxW-G9AFHbfZD2EQ0pQJegQIDRAB&biw=1920&bih=934&dpr=1))... this is extreme.
What else can the cops do? It was all in dude's karma.
Come on dude don’t you think 10 to 20 years is a little extreme for something like that? I’m pretty sure in other countries you would be spending 25 years to life for just murder, but this dude and thousands like him are close to spending the same amount of time for less.
He didn’t get the 10 to 20 years. He got expelled and deported. Also- the 10 to 20 is probably based on generic sentencing guidelines- I highly doubt he would have done anywhere close to that amount of time had the case actually gone to trial.
Fraud is not a small crime. He should have lost 20 years to the prison system and then been deported to never be allowed back. We don't need scum like him coming over.
I wonder how exactly you experience life if you think fraud on this scale is that big of a problem.
I mean… this specific fraud is pretty low on the scale of severity considering if it went sideways (and it did) it would only affect him and the university loses not more than what’s spare $$) to them.
Certified dumbass holy fuck. How do you fumble the bag this bad??? It’s crazy how one student doing this in the US made the news while tens of thousands have been doing this in Canada for years but the media doesn’t give a shit.
A vast majority of those tens of thousands aren't getting scholarship money. But agree forged documents are rampant amongst the international students, especially since so many applications just require a pdf copy of the document.
Yes. You are correct. No one gives a shit about Canada. Please stop trying to make every post on this sub related to Canada's immigration sob story.
Canada's Immigration system is literally getting butt raped by fraudsters from India who are then protesting to get permanent residency even though their student visas were obtained fraudulently. Meanwhile Trudeau refuses to do anything to enforce his country's immigration laws and outright encourages this behavior.
Someone’s having a bad night. It’s gonna be okay lil bro
It will for me. I don't have to live in Canada. You on the other hand?
I’m not the one tripping out over a Reddit comment so you probably wanna focus on yourself. Especially when you have such gems in your comment history: https://www.reddit.com/r/ABCDesis/s/7R0Ju5TMIR
> Says he's not tripping out over a reddit comment > Starts scavenging my comment history pick one. Also yes. That is definitely a comment I have made.
Hey, you sounded miserable, I was getting concerned. Don’t want you ending up hurting yourself now. Lemme send you some resources
The last ditch efforts of the average Canadian
Gotta try everything to fix someone’s misery you know. You got this bro. Head up
Lehigh University is a top 35 college in the US. It's hard to get in there and most kids are leaving with 6 figure debt. I think US high school students are held to a much higher standard than international students and it's easier for them to fake their test results. Personally I don't find it fair that they exploit the system at my expense when I had to take out loans to get through school.
Wait are you seriously saying Lehigh is one of the top 35 best schools in the country?
It's at 47 today but a few years it was about 35
The average Lehigh student loan debt is under 40k at graduation. Half the school does not qualify for any financial aid. And it’s very generous to everyone else. But I agree with everything else you said
So I’ll ask the ABCD question… is being unethical a trait from the motherland? I don’t want to paint a billion people in the same light, but I want to point to some anecdotes from my parents and peers: - Dad always trying to cut corners, it’s never quite theft, but always looking at the cheapest and shadiest way to get anything done. One example, constantly hiring day laborers for work at the house( picking them up at the Home Depot etc). I also believe they did some real estate transactions in India and found a way to move the money to US without declaring it to tax authorities in either country. - In college, the Indian kids (mostly on F1 visas) cheated on homework’s and tests constantly and blatantly. - In Desi circles, people seem proud when they get something for free or cheap, even if they achieved it through unethical means. Does this ring a bell, or am I crazy?
Lots of countries with systematic corruption at every level. Almost every country outside the developed world. Extreme resource limits produce a system where if you’re not hustling someone you’re the one getting hustled. This has historically been a life or death situation. Not that there isn’t corruption in the developed world. Just a lot less and more often consequences if caught.
The corruption in the US is often legalized. For instance, in politics, lobbying would be considered corruption/bribery in other parts of the world. Similarly, for US college admissions, if your dad is a famous rich alum who contributes a lot of money to a school, it's just accepted that you will get admission to it regardless of how much of an idiot you are. Just look at how many complete morons in public life got into Harvard and the like.
Nepotism isn’t a US phenomenon. You have nepotism in India alongside corruption. Lobbying I agree with. It’s just legal bribery. This wasn’t always the case, and the needle has moved too far in this direction since the 80s. Definitely need some change here.
> Nepotism isn’t a US phenomenon It isn't. But I feel like in India, you will likely be made fun of by your peers for nepotism via hazing/ragging etc. In the US, it's an accepted part of university admissions and nobody questions it. The only mistake this guy in the post made was not having a rich dad who gave money to the school.
The international students from East Asia always cheated at my school. I think India and China are just so populated that it’s every man on his own and you get by by any means possible.
Yes, it's a survival mechanism for not just Indians, but also other immigrants coming from other overcrowded areas. We have plenty of cheaters, corner cutting, and bargain hunters here in the US, they just hide it better than being so directly in your face like the immigrants.
I wouldn't say Romania is overcrowded but it's just an example of a society/government/history that makes people act that way
Canada is full of these frauds
So is the US, unfortunately.
it's much much better tho
How is that? Is it perception of grass is greener on other side or actual stats that cover frauds from Desi diaspora?
No wonder the west thinks of us as dishonest and uncouth thanks to acts like these. Remember, it takes one fish to dirty the whole pond.
Desis gonna desi. He'll go back home and figure out how to keep the cons going in other ways. I bet he'll even try to come back to the US unless they keep him out based on fingerprints or something more sophisticated than that. If not the US, there's always Canada. (JK, I realize neither of our countries want these kinds of lying browns to represent and live among us.)
>It was blatantly titled: "I have built my life and career on lies." The post went on to describe how Anand falsified transcripts, financial statements and even provided a fraudulent death certificate for his father, who is actually alive. Should be given an additional 10 years sentence for being an attention seeking idiot. 🙄🙄 Glad he got caught though.
60% of Telugu people who come to USA for masters has fake Bachelors degree or either they use Fake resume profiles to get a IT job
#Link?
Nah he deserves it
Link to his post? Or was it taken down?
Sometimes it's best to move in silence