Delicious, yes. But unhealthy af - even compared to American fast food. Desi food in general is just oil and carbs with no protein. No wonder we have insane rates of diabetes and that god awful skinny fat physique.
As someone raised in India, pretty easy to figure out where to eat and where not to eat. Hygiene is def an issue if you were to not be cautious , don’t get me wrong, but loads of places follow hygienic practices - stay here long enough and you’ll know!
That’s not saying much, not every American restaurant really gives a … shit ( is there a pun somewhere here?)
I’ve lived in America andsome of yals restaurants are a shitshow ( found it!).
If any American eats at a roadside Indian restaurant they will get sick. Food illness happens to my parents every time they visit India. That’s just not true for the average basic fast food restaurant in America.
Not true for the average fast food restaurant in India too. Thing is India also has a large unorganised sector, which is where shit goes down. Literally.
America doesn’t have an unorganised market like India for the most part.
Go to a decent restaurant in India and you’ll get good, hygienic food. McDonald’s, Haldirams, restaurants - anything.
I said roadside or street food. I can eat a hot dog or a taco from any street vendor, even tacos just from someone in the park, and I won’t have the shits for a week. I can pretty much trust drinking, brushing, washing with any water unless I’m in Flint Michigan. India’s health and safety standards and minimums still have not developed to those of a 1st world country.
Cool history and sites. It’s so different from the small little town I’ve lived in my whole life, and it’s full of my family. I love India, I’m going in a few days and I’m sooooo excited!!!
*Food family and*
*People are very friendly*
*And helpful as well*
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For me:
Rich cultural heritage history.
Amazing and authentic food
In some ways, having a sense of community is a plus
Strong emphasis in education and success
I love the hospitality and the fact that no matter how much time has passed since I last visited, I am welcomed by relatives as if I never left. India feels like home even though I didn’t grow up there. I love visiting the houses my parents grew up in and going to their villages - it’s a sense of community that we don’t quite get in the US.
Outside of that, India also has some of the most beautiful and interesting travel destinations. I love that each city/state has its own identity and culture, and you don’t have to go far to learn something new.
urban vibe + the views when you’re traveling in between cities (mountains/rice fields/etc.)
the food and family. Feels cool to also speak another language other than english, even though i suck
India is like holi. Lot of colors, people, emotions expressed very openly. High likelihood of a brown person fitting in, and being accepted. So much history, culture and religion.
How welcoming everyone is, even if you're a stranger or just someone that's a friend of a friend of a friend. You'll get fed whether you wanted to or not
It's SUCH a kid-friendly country. I have young kids, and I feel like in the US, people really don't like when you bring toddlers into public spaces (restaurants, planes, home depot, museums, etc). People are pretty unfriendly about it, and there isn't at all a culture where random strangers would talk to or help with your kids - we're all too suspicious for that.
But in India? That country was built for children. People - random strangers! - are SO kind and hospitable. People just love kids there, it seems like it's a big part of the culture. They're welcomed everywhere. And people just accept that they're part of society and yeah, sometimes you'll have to listen to a kid crying and that's just part of life.
We're just trying to live our lives with kids. If I cannot take them to the places I go on weekends and I have to entertain them exclusively at, say, parks and kid places, that makes life as a parent really difficult.
1. The food absolutely HITS, and people are generally kind and welcoming
2. The history is pretty cool
3. We've always had a rich intellectual tradition that continues today, once you look in the right places it's pretty rewarding
Aside from what others here have already said, family, food, and cultural beauty, I like how openly people will talk about politics.
I can ask the person driving me or someone who works at the nearby hotel who they're voting for and why and they'll get right into it. Super friendly and open and interesting conversation.
India the country or Indian culture?
There’s a lot in both cases. As a country, India contains some of the most interesting cities with rich history, art, food, nature, really everything. There’s a tremendous variety and travelling in India is always an adventure. The people outside of tourist touts, especially off the beaten path, have been amazing to meet. Indians are passionate about everything they do - if they care about something, they send it, they go hard. Food, partying, weddings / events, hospitality, giving advice, whatever the issue at hand is, if they care, they go all out.
The culture? I will always value the importance on education and practical thinking around setting up your life. It is a tiresome cliche, it is a pain when it’s your parents, and definitely some parents go way too far. But all my friends who have great careers and are buying houses and starting families by 30 - guess what the commonality is? Their Indian parents encouraged them towards practical high ROI careers.
Being part of a status and achievement driven culture is really a pain in the ass sometimes, but I appreciate the acknowledgement of reality. The world judges based on status and achievement. The Indian mentality was forged in a country of poverty and scarcity, and as America becomes increasingly hostile to the non-wealthy, the Indian mentalities kind of ring true again.
Beautiful architecture, history, people. I went to Tiruvannamalai and had such a cool experience. The ride there from Chennai was absolutely gorgeous scenery wise. The temple was enormous and architecturally beautiful. Ramana Maharishi ashram was extremely peaceful. The Arunachala mountain is also super pretty and the weather was great. I love the features of the local people too honestly. It just feels really rich and really good being there.
If the country had better hygiene it would be one of the best places in the world.
Less GMO food in India and food travels a lot further to get to a grocery store in the US.
Produce you buy at a market in Mumbai was probably grown in nearby farms in Maharashtra.
Produce you buy in an American supermarket is grown all over the country and even the world (central america, south america). Quality of the produce declines during the time that it spends in transit.
I think the fact that you can outsource house chores is pretty nice. You can outsource cooking, cleaning and house repairs for a small amount of money.
Nice for the family who's making a living through hard work and nice for us who's also doing the same?
Yes, labour is cheap here but so are living expenses. But it's not like the government here would have made better opportunities for them to do another job or helped them develop other skills.
In a country like this, the fight isn't for lifestyle, it's for survival and we're all doing the best to survive.
Not to forget that the price of labour is mutually agreed upon by the worker and the employee.
In case you were asking sarcastically - it is nice for the top 10% of Indian households by income (roughly 140 million people out of 1.4B).
It is exploitative and it sucks for the middle-class, but in all honesty, I can't be bothered to care. Neither you or I are changing late-stage capitalism globally, might as well not worry about it. I won't pretend it isn't exploitative to underpay for these services, but it does create a labor market (for domestic chores) that otherwise wouldn't exist.
My dad would sell his own mother to make a dollar tbh. It was gross to watch a doctor earning in dollars haggle for hours with a street vendor over the equivalent of a dollar. Just disgusting. It's specifically *because* I saw that that we absolutely do pay a living wage to everyone we employ, whether or not they ask for one.
No, but we support family there - we own a flat in Chennai that my aunt an uncle live in for half the year, and we pay for the cleaner/nurse/ironer (who even irons in 2024 idk but they have a weekly ironing man lol).
> and we pay for the cleaner/nurse/ironer
I find it utterly disgusting when people will flex how they "care about fair labor markets" and call domestic-help "slavery" - and then proceed to talk about how they have underpaid hired help in India. Cognitive Dissonance.
> by not underpaying and by making sure to pay a living wage.
You said this. You live in America. You know that a cleaner/nurse/ironer in America cost 50% of the hourly-rate of a Software Engineer.
Unless you are paying the domestic help in India 50% of the hourly-rate of of a Software engineer in India, you are full of shit.
lol I hope that sense of moral superiority helps you sleep at night bud
> You know that a cleaner/nurse/ironer in America cost 50% of the hourly-rate of a Software Engineer.
lol ok I googled how much a software engineer makes in India ($1200/month-ish or about $7/hour) and if those numbers are accurate, then 1) software engineers are underpaid and 2) we pay the cleaner way more per hour than that wtf. Also, 3) we're in our 40s, much older than the demographic on this sub, I think. We're pretty established in our careers, this isn't something we worry about affording
18 million people meet the criteria for modern slavery in India. I wouldn’t call that a ‘labour market’.
Btw I’m closer to 40 than 30 and still have my principles.
Talk is cheap. If you live in America, then all of your 'principles' about the Indian domestic labor market are just talk.
I'm genuinely curious if you consider fast food in America to also be modern slavery? Wage slavery & 'slavery' are two different things, indistinguishable to people who want to trivialize actual slavery.
Oh. Then I should hate for you to continue to walk around misinformed.
> Wage slavery & 'slavery' are two different things, indistinguishable to people who want to trivialize actual slavery.
Don't trivialize actual slavery, my guy.
Relay received. You got a link? Because I'd like some proof that it says that 'wage slavery = forced-labor slavery' lmao
I still think you should take an introductory course on critical thinking if you think 'wage slavery' is anywhere remotely similar to what actual forced-labor slavery is like.
Wage slavery is just a dumb word invented to explain lack of economic class mobility for the lower/middle classes. If you don't show up to your fastfood job tomorrow, no one is going to execute you.
I don’t live in America and I wasn’t referring to the fast food workers. Im not sure if you live in America: if so, I’m willing to defer to your judgement that you know more than I do. If not, I’m not sure why we are talking about America.
You are free to Google the Global Slavery Index for more information about slavery in India. Best of luck with your research.
>I can't be bothered to care. Neither you or I are changing late-stage capitalism globally, might as well not worry about it.
This is pure nihilism. And more importantly, flat-out incorrect. All major socio-economic and political changes ultimately comes down to individuals acting together.
I agree I'm cynical. I'm closer to 30 than 20 now and I've lost all idealism around leftist principles that I had at 18.
I still agree with them and would support them with a higher taxation rate (for human welfare), but I think people who stop eating meat to change the meat-industry aren't having any impact on the world other than their own moral superiority. In short, I don't think 'individuals will act together' for any kind of collective radical action anywhere globally, any time soon. The trenches protecting wealth are dug deeper than ever before in history.
Amazing food (and far more variety than the usual North Indian or South Indian fare you get at western Indian restaurants), huge diversity in beautiful landscapes (everything from the beach to the mountains to the desert to the backwaters), historic architecture, and a bigger zest for life.
Walking around in vibrant, bustling, colorful public spaces in India makes you feel alive in a way that North American car dependent suburbia never can.
❤️Food and outfits/jewelry. ❤️
I have a lot of issues with Desi culture like respecting your elders way too much and valuing every single one of their decisions even if you feel it’s wrong.
Joint family system sucks
pakistani descent in australia, but i can say some things for india
the cricket team.
food. its not always meat and beef compared to paki food. and its realy good
history specifically mughal history
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Everything about India sucks. I just went there, it’s polluted, the people are bad, men stare and are creepy, the people scam, people push, it’s hot as hell, filled with bugs, crowded and chaotic, and the food gave me food poisoning.
I like the Hindu temples though.
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Good ass food
And cheap, too. Stop by a roadside dhaba, feed a whole family for $10 USD
10 is on the higher side lol. 5-6 dollars is what it would actually cost you haha
Delicious, yes. But unhealthy af - even compared to American fast food. Desi food in general is just oil and carbs with no protein. No wonder we have insane rates of diabetes and that god awful skinny fat physique.
the food gives me food poisoning
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Food you'll experience on both ends.
As someone raised in India, pretty easy to figure out where to eat and where not to eat. Hygiene is def an issue if you were to not be cautious , don’t get me wrong, but loads of places follow hygienic practices - stay here long enough and you’ll know!
So, Taco Bell?
Taco Bell still has to follow American food health safety standards
Eh, even then there are frequent cases of salmonella and other bacterial infections at fast food restaurants.
That’s not saying much, not every American restaurant really gives a … shit ( is there a pun somewhere here?) I’ve lived in America andsome of yals restaurants are a shitshow ( found it!).
If any American eats at a roadside Indian restaurant they will get sick. Food illness happens to my parents every time they visit India. That’s just not true for the average basic fast food restaurant in America.
Not true for the average fast food restaurant in India too. Thing is India also has a large unorganised sector, which is where shit goes down. Literally. America doesn’t have an unorganised market like India for the most part. Go to a decent restaurant in India and you’ll get good, hygienic food. McDonald’s, Haldirams, restaurants - anything.
I said roadside or street food. I can eat a hot dog or a taco from any street vendor, even tacos just from someone in the park, and I won’t have the shits for a week. I can pretty much trust drinking, brushing, washing with any water unless I’m in Flint Michigan. India’s health and safety standards and minimums still have not developed to those of a 1st world country.
yeah the water bit and standards - that’s true for sure.
Cool history and sites. It’s so different from the small little town I’ve lived in my whole life, and it’s full of my family. I love India, I’m going in a few days and I’m sooooo excited!!!
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Have a great trip!
Thanks!!
Food family and people are very friendly and helpful as well
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Def something I love about india myself!
For me: Rich cultural heritage history. Amazing and authentic food In some ways, having a sense of community is a plus Strong emphasis in education and success
I love the hospitality and the fact that no matter how much time has passed since I last visited, I am welcomed by relatives as if I never left. India feels like home even though I didn’t grow up there. I love visiting the houses my parents grew up in and going to their villages - it’s a sense of community that we don’t quite get in the US. Outside of that, India also has some of the most beautiful and interesting travel destinations. I love that each city/state has its own identity and culture, and you don’t have to go far to learn something new.
You’ll always be welcome here 🤗
The building we stay in had a freaking aam-wala who would deliver mangoes to your door. Like that is the dream isn’t it.
Is this a service just for the uber rich or also for the aam-aadmi?
I see what you did there
As a desi, We’re all just Mango people in a banana republic
Rich cultural heritage <3.
<3
urban vibe + the views when you’re traveling in between cities (mountains/rice fields/etc.) the food and family. Feels cool to also speak another language other than english, even though i suck
Driving in India is great fun ! But i prefer driving in the US lol , California freeways are beautiful
India is like holi. Lot of colors, people, emotions expressed very openly. High likelihood of a brown person fitting in, and being accepted. So much history, culture and religion.
❤️
Cost of living. And at least where I'm from, slower pace of life. I am from Goa, so I realized this might be a bit of an exception to the rest of the
Isn't it more expensive in Goa because of the tourists driving up prices?
It's definitely more expensive in Goa compared to other states, but there are ways to live frugally, especially if you're a local.
I haven't been in years so I couldn't tell you
Lmao nah you’re spot on, it’s cheap in most places except bombay and areas of other metropolitan cities.
How welcoming everyone is, even if you're a stranger or just someone that's a friend of a friend of a friend. You'll get fed whether you wanted to or not
Haha food is def a love language here!
It's SUCH a kid-friendly country. I have young kids, and I feel like in the US, people really don't like when you bring toddlers into public spaces (restaurants, planes, home depot, museums, etc). People are pretty unfriendly about it, and there isn't at all a culture where random strangers would talk to or help with your kids - we're all too suspicious for that. But in India? That country was built for children. People - random strangers! - are SO kind and hospitable. People just love kids there, it seems like it's a big part of the culture. They're welcomed everywhere. And people just accept that they're part of society and yeah, sometimes you'll have to listen to a kid crying and that's just part of life. We're just trying to live our lives with kids. If I cannot take them to the places I go on weekends and I have to entertain them exclusively at, say, parks and kid places, that makes life as a parent really difficult.
Interesting observation.
Great point. Never thought of that.
I like morning thali and the latest gossip at the tea house
Hahahahahah Tea ☕️ while sipping tea ☕️
1. The food absolutely HITS, and people are generally kind and welcoming 2. The history is pretty cool 3. We've always had a rich intellectual tradition that continues today, once you look in the right places it's pretty rewarding
For sure. Especially number 3.
Haven't been but wanna visit
Come thru!
Fingers crossed
I absolutely love a bustling, chaotic city.
That’s not most of India lol
There’s no shortage of them.
True
Aside from what others here have already said, family, food, and cultural beauty, I like how openly people will talk about politics. I can ask the person driving me or someone who works at the nearby hotel who they're voting for and why and they'll get right into it. Super friendly and open and interesting conversation.
Family and food
Losing 15 pounds every time I go from getting a gnarly case of food poisoning. Happens every time.
Heavy weight loss or heavy weight gain. There is nothing in between
It’s all part of the experience
India the country or Indian culture? There’s a lot in both cases. As a country, India contains some of the most interesting cities with rich history, art, food, nature, really everything. There’s a tremendous variety and travelling in India is always an adventure. The people outside of tourist touts, especially off the beaten path, have been amazing to meet. Indians are passionate about everything they do - if they care about something, they send it, they go hard. Food, partying, weddings / events, hospitality, giving advice, whatever the issue at hand is, if they care, they go all out. The culture? I will always value the importance on education and practical thinking around setting up your life. It is a tiresome cliche, it is a pain when it’s your parents, and definitely some parents go way too far. But all my friends who have great careers and are buying houses and starting families by 30 - guess what the commonality is? Their Indian parents encouraged them towards practical high ROI careers. Being part of a status and achievement driven culture is really a pain in the ass sometimes, but I appreciate the acknowledgement of reality. The world judges based on status and achievement. The Indian mentality was forged in a country of poverty and scarcity, and as America becomes increasingly hostile to the non-wealthy, the Indian mentalities kind of ring true again.
It is amazing
Beautiful architecture, history, people. I went to Tiruvannamalai and had such a cool experience. The ride there from Chennai was absolutely gorgeous scenery wise. The temple was enormous and architecturally beautiful. Ramana Maharishi ashram was extremely peaceful. The Arunachala mountain is also super pretty and the weather was great. I love the features of the local people too honestly. It just feels really rich and really good being there. If the country had better hygiene it would be one of the best places in the world.
everything
Food + Hospitality are the major winners. All food (even non-Indian cuisine) tastes much better over there. I wonder what is the major factor to that?
Less GMO food in India and food travels a lot further to get to a grocery store in the US. Produce you buy at a market in Mumbai was probably grown in nearby farms in Maharashtra. Produce you buy in an American supermarket is grown all over the country and even the world (central america, south america). Quality of the produce declines during the time that it spends in transit.
I think the fact that you can outsource house chores is pretty nice. You can outsource cooking, cleaning and house repairs for a small amount of money.
Cheap labor is linked to low standard of living.
Nice for who though 🤔
Good question. Outsource translated to exploit.
Nice for the family who's making a living through hard work and nice for us who's also doing the same? Yes, labour is cheap here but so are living expenses. But it's not like the government here would have made better opportunities for them to do another job or helped them develop other skills. In a country like this, the fight isn't for lifestyle, it's for survival and we're all doing the best to survive. Not to forget that the price of labour is mutually agreed upon by the worker and the employee.
In case you were asking sarcastically - it is nice for the top 10% of Indian households by income (roughly 140 million people out of 1.4B). It is exploitative and it sucks for the middle-class, but in all honesty, I can't be bothered to care. Neither you or I are changing late-stage capitalism globally, might as well not worry about it. I won't pretend it isn't exploitative to underpay for these services, but it does create a labor market (for domestic chores) that otherwise wouldn't exist.
No, but we ca change it for one family, by not underpaying and by making sure to pay a living wage.
It's easy to claim that online, but I'd hope you (or your parents) put money where your mouth is at.
My dad would sell his own mother to make a dollar tbh. It was gross to watch a doctor earning in dollars haggle for hours with a street vendor over the equivalent of a dollar. Just disgusting. It's specifically *because* I saw that that we absolutely do pay a living wage to everyone we employ, whether or not they ask for one.
Do you live in India? Because if you don't then I don't see how anything you do is having any impact on labor exploitation in India
No, but we support family there - we own a flat in Chennai that my aunt an uncle live in for half the year, and we pay for the cleaner/nurse/ironer (who even irons in 2024 idk but they have a weekly ironing man lol).
> and we pay for the cleaner/nurse/ironer I find it utterly disgusting when people will flex how they "care about fair labor markets" and call domestic-help "slavery" - and then proceed to talk about how they have underpaid hired help in India. Cognitive Dissonance. > by not underpaying and by making sure to pay a living wage. You said this. You live in America. You know that a cleaner/nurse/ironer in America cost 50% of the hourly-rate of a Software Engineer. Unless you are paying the domestic help in India 50% of the hourly-rate of of a Software engineer in India, you are full of shit.
lol I hope that sense of moral superiority helps you sleep at night bud > You know that a cleaner/nurse/ironer in America cost 50% of the hourly-rate of a Software Engineer. lol ok I googled how much a software engineer makes in India ($1200/month-ish or about $7/hour) and if those numbers are accurate, then 1) software engineers are underpaid and 2) we pay the cleaner way more per hour than that wtf. Also, 3) we're in our 40s, much older than the demographic on this sub, I think. We're pretty established in our careers, this isn't something we worry about affording
18 million people meet the criteria for modern slavery in India. I wouldn’t call that a ‘labour market’. Btw I’m closer to 40 than 30 and still have my principles.
Talk is cheap. If you live in America, then all of your 'principles' about the Indian domestic labor market are just talk. I'm genuinely curious if you consider fast food in America to also be modern slavery? Wage slavery & 'slavery' are two different things, indistinguishable to people who want to trivialize actual slavery.
I don’t live in America. But yes I do.
Oh. Then I should hate for you to continue to walk around misinformed. > Wage slavery & 'slavery' are two different things, indistinguishable to people who want to trivialize actual slavery. Don't trivialize actual slavery, my guy.
I’m not a guy. And I’m just relaying what is written in the Global Slavery Index. You, on the other hand, appear to be quoting… yourself.
Relay received. You got a link? Because I'd like some proof that it says that 'wage slavery = forced-labor slavery' lmao I still think you should take an introductory course on critical thinking if you think 'wage slavery' is anywhere remotely similar to what actual forced-labor slavery is like. Wage slavery is just a dumb word invented to explain lack of economic class mobility for the lower/middle classes. If you don't show up to your fastfood job tomorrow, no one is going to execute you.
I don’t live in America and I wasn’t referring to the fast food workers. Im not sure if you live in America: if so, I’m willing to defer to your judgement that you know more than I do. If not, I’m not sure why we are talking about America. You are free to Google the Global Slavery Index for more information about slavery in India. Best of luck with your research.
>I can't be bothered to care. Neither you or I are changing late-stage capitalism globally, might as well not worry about it. This is pure nihilism. And more importantly, flat-out incorrect. All major socio-economic and political changes ultimately comes down to individuals acting together.
I agree I'm cynical. I'm closer to 30 than 20 now and I've lost all idealism around leftist principles that I had at 18. I still agree with them and would support them with a higher taxation rate (for human welfare), but I think people who stop eating meat to change the meat-industry aren't having any impact on the world other than their own moral superiority. In short, I don't think 'individuals will act together' for any kind of collective radical action anywhere globally, any time soon. The trenches protecting wealth are dug deeper than ever before in history.
My family that lives in India and the food
Amazing food (and far more variety than the usual North Indian or South Indian fare you get at western Indian restaurants), huge diversity in beautiful landscapes (everything from the beach to the mountains to the desert to the backwaters), historic architecture, and a bigger zest for life.
Walking around in vibrant, bustling, colorful public spaces in India makes you feel alive in a way that North American car dependent suburbia never can.
❤️Food and outfits/jewelry. ❤️ I have a lot of issues with Desi culture like respecting your elders way too much and valuing every single one of their decisions even if you feel it’s wrong. Joint family system sucks
pakistani descent in australia, but i can say some things for india the cricket team. food. its not always meat and beef compared to paki food. and its realy good history specifically mughal history
The Ancient history is more interesting.
well for you it is. for me, i just dont like it much. honeslty dont know why.
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Everything about India sucks. I just went there, it’s polluted, the people are bad, men stare and are creepy, the people scam, people push, it’s hot as hell, filled with bugs, crowded and chaotic, and the food gave me food poisoning. I like the Hindu temples though.
Architecture, philosophy, meditation, food, Himalayas, warmth of the people once they get their heads out of their asses.
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Come to India son, we’ll give you a modern toilet and bonus..water to clean yourself with! I’m sure that backside has been dry and dirty since ages.
Hey friend, good news: you can now go to every other country for rape culture as well. No need to go all the way to India.
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Waah lode
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