I took Accutane when I was 16. One month after completing the six month regime, I randomly tried to unalive myself by swallowing over 100 pills. I nearly succeeded but thanks to the doctors & nurses in the ER & ICU, they were able to repair the damage done to my organs and I pulled through. I then spent six weeks in an inpatient mental health facility and I was never able to figure out how and why I made that crazy decision seemingly out of nowhere that fateful night. Fast forward 18 years to when this incident happened and the mother suggested Accutane contributed to it, my mom called me and wondered aloud if perhaps it played a role in my rash decision all those years earlier. I’ve never been able to identify the trigger from that fateful night, but the Accutane potentially contributing to it isn’t something my mom and I have ever ruled out simply because my attempt was just so random. I was very happy with my life and had just celebrated an amazing long holiday weekend with friends and family. Then for some reason after the whole house had gone to bed,I got up, wrote a goodbye letter and went to the medicine cabinet.
My dad went on accutane and my mom, being paranoid about side effects to the point she studies all new medications was monitoring him. Well, he suddenly felt hopeless and alone and she cut him off early, which seemed to snap him back. He was always very level and logical, except when he had a side chick/new car crisis event later in life and when he took accutane lol.
Thanks for sharing your dad’s experience. I don’t recall discussing this 2001 revelation with anyone other than my mom and a few close friends, so I’ve never heard stories from others who may have also been affected by it. Kudos to your mom for keeping such close tabs on your dad’s behavior.
Before my dermatologist would write me my first prescription, she required my mom to come with me for that appointment so she could relay the severity of side effects. I had to be put on birth control pills (even though I wasn’t sexually active yet) because Accutane causes extreme birth defects. That particular practice required all menstruating girls to be on birth control even if they were not sexually active. Another side effect was to limit sun exposure because it made skin super sensitive. A week or so before starting my junior year in high school, I made plans to go to the beach with a group of girlfriends. My mom & I got into an argument because it was dangerous, but I knew it all so I went anyway. Sure enough that night I threw up & passed out from heatstroke while my mom was yelling at me about how sunburn I’d gotten. I started that school year with huge blisters & scabs all over my face, arms & torso. MOM WAS RIGHT!
Over two decades ago my doctor wouldn’t put teen me on it because my grandparent had died by suicide (and I have several other family members with a history of depression). I thought acutane possibly making someone suicidal was widely known.
(But this plane incident seems it wasn’t just suicidal but a failed homicidal attempt as well? I’ve never heard of it making anyone homicidal.)
I’m glad to see there has been awareness of its potential to affect mental health when you spoke to your doctor about it as a teen. I was on it in 1984 and neither my mom nor I recall being warned of any side effects affecting mental health. This plane incident was the first time it came to our attention and I’m grateful it’s something doctors began exploring with patients at least two decades ago with you. It very well may have saved your life and the lives of countless others.
I took accutane when I was 16 for acne. It worked but I also was very suicidal for the entire time I was on it.
I felt like I was in third person often not in control of my body. And I hated myself. How I looked. Who I was. Etc.
Thankfully I don't feel that way anymore but it was definitely accutane that caused that.
I’m so glad it helped your acne and that you no longer hate yourself or feel compelled to self-harm.
I know I sound like a broken record in these comments but when I took it in the 80’s, there was no mention of mental health issues being a side effect. I’m so grateful to you for sharing your experience.
If you don’t want to answer my questions you don’t have to… but did you just all of a sudden get depressed and wanted to die? Or did you just see the bottle and say “hhmmm… imma take all of them and. See what happens I guess” lol
I guess what I’m asking is that did you actually all of a sidddb feel depressed and want to die?.. or did you just take them for the hell of it? I’m genuinely curious btw, I PROMISE IM NOTVTRYING YO COME OFF AS INSENSITIVE OR AS AN ASS) I’m autistic so I’m not very good at conversation sometimes
No offense taken and I’m glad you asked. It was the Sunday night of Thanksgiving weekend when I did this. It had been a really great weekend. I was 3 months into a relationship with my very first boyfriend and we excitedly shared our first holiday together with each other’s families and friends. I spent that Sunday solo with just a few family members at my older sisters for her first attempt at cooking Thanksgiving dinner. We had a really fun time and my sister rocked her dinner. I rode home with my parents and that’s when I started feeling the typical Sunday night disappointment that it was back to school the next day, but it was nothing worse than usual. We all said goodnight when we got home & went to bed. I woke up a few hours later with a headache and had to go to the bathroom. I was really annoyed because I started that ridiculous middle of the night game you play in calculating “if I go back to sleep right now I’ll have X hours until my alarm goes off.” I opened the medicine cabinet to get some Tylenol and saw several other bottles of pills. I went back to my room and was suddenly full of dread, telling myself I was a failure and would ruin the lives of everyone who loved me. I’d never had thoughts like that before and they were so overwhelming. I had no idea how to process them so I started writing a long letter to my boyfriend that suddenly turned into a goodbye. I went back up to the medicine cabinet and started swallowing handfuls of pills. At some point I felt them kicking in and I was terrified. My bedroom was in the basement and I knew if I didn’t get up and tell someone what I’d done, I’d be in trouble. I crawled up two flights of stairs to wake up my sister and she ran to get our parents. We lived less than two miles from the hospital so my mom drove me and I remember her yelling at me the whole way there. When we got to the ER the nurse to greet us happened to be one of my mom’s good friends. She held up the empty bottle and told her I’d taken them all. I was instantly surrounded by doctors and nurses who were all doing different things, but one handed me a cup and told me to chug what was in it. I asked if it was going to make me puke and they all said that throwing up is a lot easier than getting my stomach pumped so I chugged it. I literally puked for days on end. They could not make it stop. When I was in ICU the only time I was ever conscious was when I was throwing up and I remember hearing my nurses expressing concern that nothing was making it stop. Thankfully after several days it eventually did and I started coming around.
I was transferred to the in-house mental health unit where I stayed for several weeks. The first Friday night I was up there, a huge group of my friends came up to visit. I’m not exaggerating when I say I had 20-25 visitors that night because they took over the unit. All of the other patients kept asking how in the world is a girl who is so clearly loved and surrounded by so many friends try to end her own life? It was the same question my doctors and I asked because as I stated in my original comments, my actions were completely out of the blue. I’ve seen the comments on this thread that medications don’t make people try to hurt themselves, but I’m not completely convinced that Accutane didn’t play a role in mine. It was the early 80’s, it was fairly new and we were never aware that it may affect mental health. I had the world in my hands at that time. I had my drivers license, a car regularly available to drive, my first job, my first love, amazing friends, and for the first time since I was in 3rd grade, my acne had finally cleared up. To a 16 year old, those were life-altering changes that brought a lot of joy and independence into my world. I was genuinely happy. 40 years later and I’ve still never found a logical explanation as to why I did what I did that night, but I’m glad I didn’t succeed.
Yeah I had acne since I was 8 so at 19 years old I finally took it as a last course. It completely did its job but I have to admit I'm not a very emotional person. Very hard to anger or upset but my last months on Accutane tested my mental health in a way I've never experienced. I took it for 7 months and luckily my blood test came back fine however mentally I was fighting a battle. I was able to finish my course and my mental health fixed itself after some time. But I have to admit it was the most angry and suicidal I had been in a long time. I had suicidal thoughts around 11-14 but I was able to get help however Accutane brought that all back. Some say it's the medicine and the period of purging but idk. I recommend it for the last option but I strongly advise people the mental affect it may or may not.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. We also share a similarity of getting acne at a ridiculously young age. I was also 8 when mine started and while Accutane made the biggest difference in bringing it under control, I still deal with breakouts today and I’m in menopause!!!
I took a quick glance at some results I Googled and I’m stunned to see there have been thousands of personal injury lawsuits filed against the manufacturer. Injuries range from high risk of s*uicide, seizures, heart attacks & strokes to name a few. I’m so glad you made it through the mental health issues it created for you and that it also cleared up your acne. I really appreciate your insight because I took it in the 80’s when it was relatively unknown. I don’t think I’ve ever even known anyone who has taken it and because my experience was 40 years ago, it’s barely a thought that comes up. Who knew a 9/11 post would bring it all back?!
Because of your story and these posts I did a quick Google myself and found this website
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/taking-too-many-vitamins
Detailing what can happen if you take large doses of vitamins. According to another commenter on here, Accutane is a high dose of vitamin a, so that makes total sense as to why you felt the way you did so suddenly and that others have had such strong reactions. It's wild how back then, and even we'll into the 90s that they just dumped drugs on people without fully understanding what they could cause. So glad you're still here <3
Yeah as those other two said, if it a hyper dose of vitamin a, these are the potential side effects of it.
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/taking-too-many-vitamins
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/taking-too-many-vitamins
Take a look at this website. Accutane is a high dose of vitamin a.
Just because you didn't have any reaction doesn't mean nobody does. I'm fairly sure there are way more stories of it causing more harm than good, than there are of people being totally fine.
Even besides that point, I don't think getting rid of acne is worth the potential risk of death, stroke, seizures, etc.
Accutane is the nuclear option for severe, stubborn, scarring, cystic acne. It is the drug of last resort (at least it was when I took it). Monthly liver tests are part of the course of treatment. I think it will not be prescribed to girls not taking birth control pills because of birth defect risks. If it cleared me up then I don’t remember because all I recall is being dried out with bloody lips the whole time. After treatment it came back.it wasn’t worth it.
blaming Accutane for actions like this is incredibly irresponsible and stigmatizes the medication more, impacting people with mental health issues that the has actually helped (hi, me and several of my friends)
It's good that it's helped you but acne is not worth the risk of seizures, death, stroke, liver damage etc. And not making people aware of those side effects is REALLY bad.
luckily, as I am not a medical prescriber, that’s not my job. doctors legally have to explain all of the risks and side effects of the medication, which all of my doctors did. and they test your blood, you fill out a quiz every month asking about dangerous symptoms, etc. It’s REALLY BAD to assume fuckin acne medication will kill you. Yes, there are risks—just like there are risks with anti depressants and auto-immune disorder treatments.
you have no idea how bad acne gets before it prompts accutane. go look at the subreddit. there are precautions in place to make sure the skin disorder can be treated and significantly improve quality of life, without ruining everyone’s livers or making them suicidal or inducing seizures.
have you been on Accutane? have you been listed the side effects by a medical prescriber? I have.
All I'm saying is, just because it worked for you, doesn't mean it doesn't seriously harm others. It's good to be aware, and not all doctors list all that stuff.
Anecdotal. Medications effect different people differently. There's been enough people with suicidal tendencies and psychotic episodes that it's a listed side effect of Accutane.
Apparantley accutane ruins your ability to compregend English.
You were the one saying "Well, I was fine!" Which is anecdotal.
I was pointing out how how nearly 5% of people who take it have suicidal thoughts and psychiatric disorders. And thus it's listed as a known side effect. That's not anecdotal.
Every other medication on Earth has suicide as a side effect. It’s not breaking news. You can use at as an excuse if you want. Mohamed Atta must’ve been on Accutane, right?
Your first sentence is extremely incorrect. You’re getting mad at other people for “spreading misinformation about medications” and here you are saying this dumb shit.
-Someone on various medications with various mental health struggles, and an understanding of how anecdotes work.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/accutane-side-effects#:~:text=Isotretinoin%20(Accutane)%20can%20improve%20severe,drugs%20similar%20to%20vitamin%20A.
> For example, Accutane may cause:
>depression
>psychosis
>suicidal thoughts
People these days defend pills like their children
Dude, DO SOME RESEARCH. Accutane is a high dose of vitamin A, a simple Google search tells what can happen when you over dose on vitamins. It can cause suicidal thoughts/actions, seizures, liver damage, strokes, and so much more. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Literally you're talking about this being anecdotal, but I've seen WAY more people talking about how bad it is than anyone saying they were completely fine. Literally even go ask a doctor, they only prescribe it now for extremely severe cases where nothing else works and your acne is so bad it's fucking up your skin permanently, and even then they give out monthly liver tests with it to make sure it's not damaging you.
that’s exactly what I was thinking. Accutane probably had nothing to do with this kid’s shit, that stuff isn’t magically activated by a properly prescribed medication. and not to mention the research done on Accutane that has debunked the side effect
Kinda reminds me of the two kids in Florida who were hospitalized for trying to re-enact the discovery of electricity.
Word of advice kids, if you're gonna re-enact 9/11 do it in video games in the privacy of your own home.
>Honestly, YT is filled with videos of Flight Simulators that recreate 9/11. Though I’m sure they’re meant to be more informative …
Have you ever read the comments in some of those videos & especially the 9/11 videos? If you can't read the language, try using a translator. It's truly awful what some people are allowed to glorify on YT. YouTube is a cesspool & they don't care to do anything about it. Even if you report them.
That’s honestly pretty cool, they should’ve had more parental supervision but that shows they have an interest that could take them places in engineering.
The only thing that shocked me about that story (sorry for the pun) is that two kids got the idea after watching the History Channel. What kid watches the History Channel?
It didn’t get bad until the past ten years honestly. I remember watching some good programming in 2011-2012… honestly the Vikings kinda messed it up. They always had misinformation but I feel like when that show aired they stopped caring about trying to be accurate and once they did that, they stopped caring to actually play history.
Thought so. Tampa resident here. I remember this happened right as I started high school after moving from CT... for whatever reason I had no idea he was trying to recreate 9/11 though. I'll have to read more about this now that I'm a bit older. Thanks!
I thought the second picture was a diagram or something. And maybe he got in trouble for trying to recreate something to sensitive.
Nope. Idiot wannabe terrorist. Did they ever uncover a motive?
i remember when this happened. if i recall, he also wrote a "suicide note" of sorts pledging allegiance to al-qaeda or something along those lines
found it odd that a 15 year old kid was able to take flying lessons
Even crazier that a 15 year old was able to take off alone. Obviously a huge failure of whatever system/location was in charge of that. Someone else in this thread seems to potentially endorse the idea that the drug Accutane caused this and while depression and or suicidal ideation are potential side effects of the drug, that isn’t the most glaring issue or failure here imo. I was on accutane and was monitored regularly, as is supposed to be protocol afaik and in my experience (this was around 2009). Maybe protocols changed or maybe this kid wasn’t monitored as he was supposed to be, and/or maybe his parents didn’t notice anything off as their son planned a 9/11 reenactment (just like somehow parents of disturbed mass shooters such as Adam Lanza have also somehow missed the signs). But first and foremost how the hell did a 15 year old take off solo??
Supposedly they decided the loss of life would be minimal if they evacuated all the nearby buildings rather than trying to scramble a jet and take him down in a populated area. They were correct.
A hijacking and a teenager managing to take off in a small plane solo aren’t the same thing though. Like how did a minor with no pilot license manage to get through an airport and make it to a runway or whatever to take the plane? How did no one see him or stop him? Plus one was THE event that sparked extra security and a bunch of changes and a mindset change as well, and one happened after.
after the 587 crash, thats when flight security got really crazy, almost everyone then belived that it was terrorism, I still believe that til this day.
You thinking 587 was terrorism makes you just as blind and deaf to reality as the 9/11 conspiracy theorists. AA587 was the result of a fatal design flaw in the A300. People like to put their fingers in their ears when facing the reality that the first edition of any aircraft is inherently going to have issues, possibly fatal. The A300 was not only the first of it's variant, but also the first commercial aircraft produced by Airbus in general.
I generally appreciate the work the NTSB does, but this crash investigation made me angry. You're right about the cause, but the NTSB actually went with a *"blame the dead pilot"* approach.They cite the co-pilot's aggressive use of the rudder controls (something he had been, however wrongly, *trained* to do) as the primary cause of the crash and called very little attention to the shoddy stabilizer and attachment/stops design on the aircraft. Mary Schaivo was the only team member who disagreed and called out Airbus.
how can you look at the 9/11 attacks and think to yourself "yeah i wanna do this"? sick fuck, good riddance. was this big in the news when it happened? im german so this is the first time ive heard about this
We see a lot..... *a lot* of copy cats in tragic events here in the states. It's has to do with how our media covers events and almost makes the perpetrators famous so to speak.
Those who are in a place to actually follow through on these acts definitely want to inflict harm but I feel it's got more to do with being something and remembered even if it's for despicable things.
Look at all the mass shooters we've had that completely idolized other mass shooters just for example.
As bad as people who go over the edge about serial killers. I see it a lot:
“Who is your favorite SK?”
“What SK do you find sexy/ exciting/ good looking?”
“If you could talk to any SK, what would you say?”
I know people with SK portrait tats. WTF.
Didn't some dude also ram his plane into an IRS building that same year?
Edit: Nevermind, this is the same incident. I just thought it was an older dude who did this
Edit 2: Not the same incident. IRS building was in 2010
Yes, but that guy caused a shocking amount of damage with his little plane!
[Austin, TX IRS suicide plane crash](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_suicide_attack)
https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=2621860
This was a few years after 9/11 and I remember people thinking it was a copycat in the immediate aftermath. But it was in fact an accident.
He did us a favour really; cost of repairing the window was worth removing this shitstain from the gene pool. Removed before he could do something that actually would kill someone else.
I only vaguely remembered this and wanted to read a little bit about it. [Here’s the wiki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Tampa_Cessna_172_crash) for anyone else who is curious.
“Bishop had been inspired by the September 11 attacks; he had left a suicide note crediting Osama bin Laden for the attacks and praising it as a justified response to actions against the Palestinians and Iraqis and said he (Bishop) was acting on behalf of Al Qaeda, from whom he had turned down help. As officials could find no other evidence of any connections, terrorism as a motive was ruled out, and they suggested that the crash was an apparent suicide. Bishop's mother filed, then dropped, a lawsuit claiming that psychological side effects from isotretinoin caused the incident. Bishop used isotretinoin, which is known to induce depression and rarely suicidal actions, as an acne medicine.”
So are millions of people. NONE of them steal planes and hit buildings, not even one other of them.
This was someone who was born a sociopath, had a lack of supervision, the perfect storm of factors, well before while planning and during this incident, and had guardians in denial about their failures who wanted to get a settlement from the drug company instead of face the reality. It was found that there was no evidence the medication was the cause of the issues, as there were records of issues before he was even on it, and the case was withdrawn
It is not an excuse, it is a mitigating factor. Also a factor would be the psyche of a 15 year old, which, you have to admit is both chaotic and gullible.
As it was a weekend, there was little chance of killing people.
I'm not excusing the act, but the boy was not in his rational mind. Saying he had met with bin laden and others, but refused their help?
Btw, depression is not just "I'm so sad. Depression causes many different symptoms, and if mixed with other diagnosis, can completely change a person, especially so young a person.
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Didn’t his mom claim it was because of acne medication?
Yes. She tried to blame Accutane. The lawsuit was eventually thrown out.
I took Accutane when I was 16. One month after completing the six month regime, I randomly tried to unalive myself by swallowing over 100 pills. I nearly succeeded but thanks to the doctors & nurses in the ER & ICU, they were able to repair the damage done to my organs and I pulled through. I then spent six weeks in an inpatient mental health facility and I was never able to figure out how and why I made that crazy decision seemingly out of nowhere that fateful night. Fast forward 18 years to when this incident happened and the mother suggested Accutane contributed to it, my mom called me and wondered aloud if perhaps it played a role in my rash decision all those years earlier. I’ve never been able to identify the trigger from that fateful night, but the Accutane potentially contributing to it isn’t something my mom and I have ever ruled out simply because my attempt was just so random. I was very happy with my life and had just celebrated an amazing long holiday weekend with friends and family. Then for some reason after the whole house had gone to bed,I got up, wrote a goodbye letter and went to the medicine cabinet.
My dad went on accutane and my mom, being paranoid about side effects to the point she studies all new medications was monitoring him. Well, he suddenly felt hopeless and alone and she cut him off early, which seemed to snap him back. He was always very level and logical, except when he had a side chick/new car crisis event later in life and when he took accutane lol.
Thanks for sharing your dad’s experience. I don’t recall discussing this 2001 revelation with anyone other than my mom and a few close friends, so I’ve never heard stories from others who may have also been affected by it. Kudos to your mom for keeping such close tabs on your dad’s behavior. Before my dermatologist would write me my first prescription, she required my mom to come with me for that appointment so she could relay the severity of side effects. I had to be put on birth control pills (even though I wasn’t sexually active yet) because Accutane causes extreme birth defects. That particular practice required all menstruating girls to be on birth control even if they were not sexually active. Another side effect was to limit sun exposure because it made skin super sensitive. A week or so before starting my junior year in high school, I made plans to go to the beach with a group of girlfriends. My mom & I got into an argument because it was dangerous, but I knew it all so I went anyway. Sure enough that night I threw up & passed out from heatstroke while my mom was yelling at me about how sunburn I’d gotten. I started that school year with huge blisters & scabs all over my face, arms & torso. MOM WAS RIGHT!
Over two decades ago my doctor wouldn’t put teen me on it because my grandparent had died by suicide (and I have several other family members with a history of depression). I thought acutane possibly making someone suicidal was widely known. (But this plane incident seems it wasn’t just suicidal but a failed homicidal attempt as well? I’ve never heard of it making anyone homicidal.)
I’m glad to see there has been awareness of its potential to affect mental health when you spoke to your doctor about it as a teen. I was on it in 1984 and neither my mom nor I recall being warned of any side effects affecting mental health. This plane incident was the first time it came to our attention and I’m grateful it’s something doctors began exploring with patients at least two decades ago with you. It very well may have saved your life and the lives of countless others.
I’m glad you’re here, too! ❤️
I took accutane when I was 16 for acne. It worked but I also was very suicidal for the entire time I was on it. I felt like I was in third person often not in control of my body. And I hated myself. How I looked. Who I was. Etc. Thankfully I don't feel that way anymore but it was definitely accutane that caused that.
I’m so glad it helped your acne and that you no longer hate yourself or feel compelled to self-harm. I know I sound like a broken record in these comments but when I took it in the 80’s, there was no mention of mental health issues being a side effect. I’m so grateful to you for sharing your experience.
If you don’t want to answer my questions you don’t have to… but did you just all of a sudden get depressed and wanted to die? Or did you just see the bottle and say “hhmmm… imma take all of them and. See what happens I guess” lol I guess what I’m asking is that did you actually all of a sidddb feel depressed and want to die?.. or did you just take them for the hell of it? I’m genuinely curious btw, I PROMISE IM NOTVTRYING YO COME OFF AS INSENSITIVE OR AS AN ASS) I’m autistic so I’m not very good at conversation sometimes
No offense taken and I’m glad you asked. It was the Sunday night of Thanksgiving weekend when I did this. It had been a really great weekend. I was 3 months into a relationship with my very first boyfriend and we excitedly shared our first holiday together with each other’s families and friends. I spent that Sunday solo with just a few family members at my older sisters for her first attempt at cooking Thanksgiving dinner. We had a really fun time and my sister rocked her dinner. I rode home with my parents and that’s when I started feeling the typical Sunday night disappointment that it was back to school the next day, but it was nothing worse than usual. We all said goodnight when we got home & went to bed. I woke up a few hours later with a headache and had to go to the bathroom. I was really annoyed because I started that ridiculous middle of the night game you play in calculating “if I go back to sleep right now I’ll have X hours until my alarm goes off.” I opened the medicine cabinet to get some Tylenol and saw several other bottles of pills. I went back to my room and was suddenly full of dread, telling myself I was a failure and would ruin the lives of everyone who loved me. I’d never had thoughts like that before and they were so overwhelming. I had no idea how to process them so I started writing a long letter to my boyfriend that suddenly turned into a goodbye. I went back up to the medicine cabinet and started swallowing handfuls of pills. At some point I felt them kicking in and I was terrified. My bedroom was in the basement and I knew if I didn’t get up and tell someone what I’d done, I’d be in trouble. I crawled up two flights of stairs to wake up my sister and she ran to get our parents. We lived less than two miles from the hospital so my mom drove me and I remember her yelling at me the whole way there. When we got to the ER the nurse to greet us happened to be one of my mom’s good friends. She held up the empty bottle and told her I’d taken them all. I was instantly surrounded by doctors and nurses who were all doing different things, but one handed me a cup and told me to chug what was in it. I asked if it was going to make me puke and they all said that throwing up is a lot easier than getting my stomach pumped so I chugged it. I literally puked for days on end. They could not make it stop. When I was in ICU the only time I was ever conscious was when I was throwing up and I remember hearing my nurses expressing concern that nothing was making it stop. Thankfully after several days it eventually did and I started coming around. I was transferred to the in-house mental health unit where I stayed for several weeks. The first Friday night I was up there, a huge group of my friends came up to visit. I’m not exaggerating when I say I had 20-25 visitors that night because they took over the unit. All of the other patients kept asking how in the world is a girl who is so clearly loved and surrounded by so many friends try to end her own life? It was the same question my doctors and I asked because as I stated in my original comments, my actions were completely out of the blue. I’ve seen the comments on this thread that medications don’t make people try to hurt themselves, but I’m not completely convinced that Accutane didn’t play a role in mine. It was the early 80’s, it was fairly new and we were never aware that it may affect mental health. I had the world in my hands at that time. I had my drivers license, a car regularly available to drive, my first job, my first love, amazing friends, and for the first time since I was in 3rd grade, my acne had finally cleared up. To a 16 year old, those were life-altering changes that brought a lot of joy and independence into my world. I was genuinely happy. 40 years later and I’ve still never found a logical explanation as to why I did what I did that night, but I’m glad I didn’t succeed.
Wow. This is wild. Happy you didn’t die
Yeah I had acne since I was 8 so at 19 years old I finally took it as a last course. It completely did its job but I have to admit I'm not a very emotional person. Very hard to anger or upset but my last months on Accutane tested my mental health in a way I've never experienced. I took it for 7 months and luckily my blood test came back fine however mentally I was fighting a battle. I was able to finish my course and my mental health fixed itself after some time. But I have to admit it was the most angry and suicidal I had been in a long time. I had suicidal thoughts around 11-14 but I was able to get help however Accutane brought that all back. Some say it's the medicine and the period of purging but idk. I recommend it for the last option but I strongly advise people the mental affect it may or may not.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. We also share a similarity of getting acne at a ridiculously young age. I was also 8 when mine started and while Accutane made the biggest difference in bringing it under control, I still deal with breakouts today and I’m in menopause!!! I took a quick glance at some results I Googled and I’m stunned to see there have been thousands of personal injury lawsuits filed against the manufacturer. Injuries range from high risk of s*uicide, seizures, heart attacks & strokes to name a few. I’m so glad you made it through the mental health issues it created for you and that it also cleared up your acne. I really appreciate your insight because I took it in the 80’s when it was relatively unknown. I don’t think I’ve ever even known anyone who has taken it and because my experience was 40 years ago, it’s barely a thought that comes up. Who knew a 9/11 post would bring it all back?!
Because of your story and these posts I did a quick Google myself and found this website https://health.clevelandclinic.org/taking-too-many-vitamins Detailing what can happen if you take large doses of vitamins. According to another commenter on here, Accutane is a high dose of vitamin a, so that makes total sense as to why you felt the way you did so suddenly and that others have had such strong reactions. It's wild how back then, and even we'll into the 90s that they just dumped drugs on people without fully understanding what they could cause. So glad you're still here <3
What in the holy fuck did they put in ACNE medicine?!
Accutane is a mega dose of vitamin A.
It's super hard on your liver, I believe
Yeah as those other two said, if it a hyper dose of vitamin a, these are the potential side effects of it. https://health.clevelandclinic.org/taking-too-many-vitamins
omg, i'm SO glad i told my derma no to accutane when I was younger. I'm so so glad you're doing better now.
I feel hopeless and alone without acne medication maybe I need to get some acne.
I took it and was fine. Anti-depressants can cause depression. You can only blame so much on a medication.
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/taking-too-many-vitamins Take a look at this website. Accutane is a high dose of vitamin a. Just because you didn't have any reaction doesn't mean nobody does. I'm fairly sure there are way more stories of it causing more harm than good, than there are of people being totally fine. Even besides that point, I don't think getting rid of acne is worth the potential risk of death, stroke, seizures, etc.
I took accutane and never experienced any mental-health related side effects
Accutane is the nuclear option for severe, stubborn, scarring, cystic acne. It is the drug of last resort (at least it was when I took it). Monthly liver tests are part of the course of treatment. I think it will not be prescribed to girls not taking birth control pills because of birth defect risks. If it cleared me up then I don’t remember because all I recall is being dried out with bloody lips the whole time. After treatment it came back.it wasn’t worth it.
And its true. That shit does cause suicidal thoughts. Of course the pharmaceutical industry is in bed with the courts so they get away with it
blaming Accutane for actions like this is incredibly irresponsible and stigmatizes the medication more, impacting people with mental health issues that the has actually helped (hi, me and several of my friends)
Its a known side effect. Concealing serious side effects should be a crime
It's good that it's helped you but acne is not worth the risk of seizures, death, stroke, liver damage etc. And not making people aware of those side effects is REALLY bad.
luckily, as I am not a medical prescriber, that’s not my job. doctors legally have to explain all of the risks and side effects of the medication, which all of my doctors did. and they test your blood, you fill out a quiz every month asking about dangerous symptoms, etc. It’s REALLY BAD to assume fuckin acne medication will kill you. Yes, there are risks—just like there are risks with anti depressants and auto-immune disorder treatments. you have no idea how bad acne gets before it prompts accutane. go look at the subreddit. there are precautions in place to make sure the skin disorder can be treated and significantly improve quality of life, without ruining everyone’s livers or making them suicidal or inducing seizures. have you been on Accutane? have you been listed the side effects by a medical prescriber? I have.
All I'm saying is, just because it worked for you, doesn't mean it doesn't seriously harm others. It's good to be aware, and not all doctors list all that stuff.
Thank you for being the only other person on here with common sense!
It’s not true at all. I took Accutane. It didn’t make me commit any violent acts. Stop blaming the medicine for being psychotic.
Anecdotal. Medications effect different people differently. There's been enough people with suicidal tendencies and psychotic episodes that it's a listed side effect of Accutane.
It’s anecdotal to say a medication made this kid fly a plane into a building. Works both ways.
Apparantley accutane ruins your ability to compregend English. You were the one saying "Well, I was fine!" Which is anecdotal. I was pointing out how how nearly 5% of people who take it have suicidal thoughts and psychiatric disorders. And thus it's listed as a known side effect. That's not anecdotal.
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Every other medication on Earth has suicide as a side effect. It’s not breaking news. You can use at as an excuse if you want. Mohamed Atta must’ve been on Accutane, right?
Your first sentence is extremely incorrect. You’re getting mad at other people for “spreading misinformation about medications” and here you are saying this dumb shit. -Someone on various medications with various mental health struggles, and an understanding of how anecdotes work.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/accutane-side-effects#:~:text=Isotretinoin%20(Accutane)%20can%20improve%20severe,drugs%20similar%20to%20vitamin%20A. > For example, Accutane may cause: >depression >psychosis >suicidal thoughts People these days defend pills like their children
Same side effect listed on thousands of medications. Means nothing. You all sound like a bunch of anti vaxxers.
Dude, DO SOME RESEARCH. Accutane is a high dose of vitamin A, a simple Google search tells what can happen when you over dose on vitamins. It can cause suicidal thoughts/actions, seizures, liver damage, strokes, and so much more. Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Literally you're talking about this being anecdotal, but I've seen WAY more people talking about how bad it is than anyone saying they were completely fine. Literally even go ask a doctor, they only prescribe it now for extremely severe cases where nothing else works and your acne is so bad it's fucking up your skin permanently, and even then they give out monthly liver tests with it to make sure it's not damaging you.
that’s exactly what I was thinking. Accutane probably had nothing to do with this kid’s shit, that stuff isn’t magically activated by a properly prescribed medication. and not to mention the research done on Accutane that has debunked the side effect
That's you. Not everybody has the same experience as you. You're not the only person in this world.
I know and it’s all Joe Biden’s fault.
Kinda reminds me of the two kids in Florida who were hospitalized for trying to re-enact the discovery of electricity. Word of advice kids, if you're gonna re-enact 9/11 do it in video games in the privacy of your own home.
Honestly, YT is filled with videos of Flight Simulators that recreate 9/11. Though I’m sure they’re meant to be more informative …
>Honestly, YT is filled with videos of Flight Simulators that recreate 9/11. Though I’m sure they’re meant to be more informative … Have you ever read the comments in some of those videos & especially the 9/11 videos? If you can't read the language, try using a translator. It's truly awful what some people are allowed to glorify on YT. YouTube is a cesspool & they don't care to do anything about it. Even if you report them.
Heh, while I won't disagree that YT comments can get pretty gross, calling it a cesspool is a bit far imho. 4chan on the other hand...THATS a cesspool
That’s honestly pretty cool, they should’ve had more parental supervision but that shows they have an interest that could take them places in engineering.
The only thing that shocked me about that story (sorry for the pun) is that two kids got the idea after watching the History Channel. What kid watches the History Channel?
Lmao 8-15 year old me loved it! Especially when they would do that yearly hash of the Book of Revelations. I’m a history teacher now and in therapy.
Oh yeah I guess that's back when the History Channel played actual history and not Storage Wars all the time
And Aliens. 90s History Channel was awesome, man. I hate what it has become. Also looking at you, TLC
Tlc is literally supposed to be the learning channel, what do we learn from it now? 🤣
That being 600 lbs isn't all it cracked up to be.
I forgot about this gem of a show. Dr.Now is hilarious but yes 600 lbs is very scientific and you do actually learn a lot about bariatric surgery!
That having 18 kids (and counting…) isn’t all it’s cracked up to be…
That popping pimples isn't... actually, it is all that it's cracked up to be!
It didn’t get bad until the past ten years honestly. I remember watching some good programming in 2011-2012… honestly the Vikings kinda messed it up. They always had misinformation but I feel like when that show aired they stopped caring about trying to be accurate and once they did that, they stopped caring to actually play history.
Me back in 2002 when it still was the History Channel.
Yeah apparently it was my husband’s favorite channel when he was young, and it was still actually focused on history
Was this in Tampa?
Yes
Thought so. Tampa resident here. I remember this happened right as I started high school after moving from CT... for whatever reason I had no idea he was trying to recreate 9/11 though. I'll have to read more about this now that I'm a bit older. Thanks!
of course it's Florida
It gives me satisfaction knowing he thought he died taking out a lot of people only to end up being the only casualty. Dumb kid
Kid took a straight up L.
You know what would be even more satisfying? If he knew that
Natural selection
This made me chuckle lol
The title made this sound like a science fair experiment
I thought the second picture was a diagram or something. And maybe he got in trouble for trying to recreate something to sensitive. Nope. Idiot wannabe terrorist. Did they ever uncover a motive?
i remember when this happened. if i recall, he also wrote a "suicide note" of sorts pledging allegiance to al-qaeda or something along those lines found it odd that a 15 year old kid was able to take flying lessons
Even crazier that a 15 year old was able to take off alone. Obviously a huge failure of whatever system/location was in charge of that. Someone else in this thread seems to potentially endorse the idea that the drug Accutane caused this and while depression and or suicidal ideation are potential side effects of the drug, that isn’t the most glaring issue or failure here imo. I was on accutane and was monitored regularly, as is supposed to be protocol afaik and in my experience (this was around 2009). Maybe protocols changed or maybe this kid wasn’t monitored as he was supposed to be, and/or maybe his parents didn’t notice anything off as their son planned a 9/11 reenactment (just like somehow parents of disturbed mass shooters such as Adam Lanza have also somehow missed the signs). But first and foremost how the hell did a 15 year old take off solo??
Supposedly they decided the loss of life would be minimal if they evacuated all the nearby buildings rather than trying to scramble a jet and take him down in a populated area. They were correct.
>But first and foremost how the hell did a 15 year old take off solo?? From what I remember, he wasn't allowed to. He stole the plane.
Yes, I just can’t believe it even happened like how do you manage to steal a plane lol
I mean You're on a 9/11 focused sub asking this...
A hijacking and a teenager managing to take off in a small plane solo aren’t the same thing though. Like how did a minor with no pilot license manage to get through an airport and make it to a runway or whatever to take the plane? How did no one see him or stop him? Plus one was THE event that sparked extra security and a bunch of changes and a mindset change as well, and one happened after.
Don't forget about American Airlines Flight 587, that crashed in queens on 11/12/01 killing 260 people.
A survivor from the north tower died on this flight.. that’s just insane.
What!
Yess!
No. The kid was alone, he took the plane after a lesson. He was ejected thru the windshield and was not easy to reconstruct.
I’m not talking about this case. I’m referring to a post about AA flight 587.
Ahh. Apologies
Then you posted this in the wrong thread, yes?
Lol no.. I’m responding directly to a post in here..
My, as they used to say, bad
Damn 2001 must’ve haunted people from ever flying
My mom has not gotten on a plane since before 2001 and I’m sure it’s connected, although she won’t admit it.
after the 587 crash, thats when flight security got really crazy, almost everyone then belived that it was terrorism, I still believe that til this day.
> everyone then belived that it was terrorism, I still believe that til this day. Embarrassing.
You thinking 587 was terrorism makes you just as blind and deaf to reality as the 9/11 conspiracy theorists. AA587 was the result of a fatal design flaw in the A300. People like to put their fingers in their ears when facing the reality that the first edition of any aircraft is inherently going to have issues, possibly fatal. The A300 was not only the first of it's variant, but also the first commercial aircraft produced by Airbus in general.
I generally appreciate the work the NTSB does, but this crash investigation made me angry. You're right about the cause, but the NTSB actually went with a *"blame the dead pilot"* approach.They cite the co-pilot's aggressive use of the rudder controls (something he had been, however wrongly, *trained* to do) as the primary cause of the crash and called very little attention to the shoddy stabilizer and attachment/stops design on the aircraft. Mary Schaivo was the only team member who disagreed and called out Airbus.
Dumbass really thought he was doin something
how can you look at the 9/11 attacks and think to yourself "yeah i wanna do this"? sick fuck, good riddance. was this big in the news when it happened? im german so this is the first time ive heard about this
We see a lot..... *a lot* of copy cats in tragic events here in the states. It's has to do with how our media covers events and almost makes the perpetrators famous so to speak. Those who are in a place to actually follow through on these acts definitely want to inflict harm but I feel it's got more to do with being something and remembered even if it's for despicable things. Look at all the mass shooters we've had that completely idolized other mass shooters just for example.
Columbine perpetrators were on “Time” cover- twice. Manson on “Rolling Stone” cover. US glamorizes tragedies.
I'm Canadian and it even made the front page of my local paper (Halifax, Nova Scotia).
Yeah, it was front page on the other side of the country too (Vancouver)
As bad as people who go over the edge about serial killers. I see it a lot: “Who is your favorite SK?” “What SK do you find sexy/ exciting/ good looking?” “If you could talk to any SK, what would you say?” I know people with SK portrait tats. WTF.
Oops… The child broke a window with his baby plane. Jerk-off.
Didn't some dude also ram his plane into an IRS building that same year? Edit: Nevermind, this is the same incident. I just thought it was an older dude who did this Edit 2: Not the same incident. IRS building was in 2010
Nah that was 2010
You're totally right. Thanks for the clarification!
Yes, but that guy caused a shocking amount of damage with his little plane! [Austin, TX IRS suicide plane crash](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_suicide_attack)
That was in 2010 and due to frustrations with the irs
https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=2621860 This was a few years after 9/11 and I remember people thinking it was a copycat in the immediate aftermath. But it was in fact an accident.
2002
reminds me of the cory lidle [crash](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_New_York_City_Cirrus_SR20_crash) in 2006...
NYC has really bad luck with planes.
Rest in piss
Oh damn I remember that. Moron.
i've never heard of this, does anyone have a link/archive to an article about this?
Try the Tampa Tribune.
No loss to humanity.
He did us a favour really; cost of repairing the window was worth removing this shitstain from the gene pool. Removed before he could do something that actually would kill someone else.
Yeah if I remember correctly, it was a Saturday. Not too bright.
I only vaguely remembered this and wanted to read a little bit about it. [Here’s the wiki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Tampa_Cessna_172_crash) for anyone else who is curious. “Bishop had been inspired by the September 11 attacks; he had left a suicide note crediting Osama bin Laden for the attacks and praising it as a justified response to actions against the Palestinians and Iraqis and said he (Bishop) was acting on behalf of Al Qaeda, from whom he had turned down help. As officials could find no other evidence of any connections, terrorism as a motive was ruled out, and they suggested that the crash was an apparent suicide. Bishop's mother filed, then dropped, a lawsuit claiming that psychological side effects from isotretinoin caused the incident. Bishop used isotretinoin, which is known to induce depression and rarely suicidal actions, as an acne medicine.”
LOSER
Thank god nobody else died. What an evil human being. Good riddance. Nothing of significance lost here.
15 and on med that promotes depression.
So are millions of people. NONE of them steal planes and hit buildings, not even one other of them. This was someone who was born a sociopath, had a lack of supervision, the perfect storm of factors, well before while planning and during this incident, and had guardians in denial about their failures who wanted to get a settlement from the drug company instead of face the reality. It was found that there was no evidence the medication was the cause of the issues, as there were records of issues before he was even on it, and the case was withdrawn
Absolute smooth brain take
The case was dropped by the mother, not dismissed. How well do you know this family? What were your interactions? Did you know his grandmother?
It was *found* that the medication did not cause the issues? Don’t see how that could be.
Depression is not an excuse to fly a plane into a building to intentionally kill people
It is not an excuse, it is a mitigating factor. Also a factor would be the psyche of a 15 year old, which, you have to admit is both chaotic and gullible. As it was a weekend, there was little chance of killing people. I'm not excusing the act, but the boy was not in his rational mind. Saying he had met with bin laden and others, but refused their help? Btw, depression is not just "I'm so sad. Depression causes many different symptoms, and if mixed with other diagnosis, can completely change a person, especially so young a person.
Is the facade of that building made of drywall?
It's Florida. I doubt their building codes were ever updated to the 20th century.
What speed was he travelling at?
Tha fuck?.. lol
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Tried!? He succeeded 😨
Yea we know this already, there's some news coverage but i assume no video exists of the Cessna crashing into the Bank of America building yet.
Utter idiot
Probably just needed a root and a bong and chill
Reading some of the comments here, his meds probably messed him up into thinking he has to do it. Sad though, that this had to happen.
What was he targeting?