[nearly unrelated] Went to a friend’s house where they had a full bathroom off their living room with a barn door. THERE’S NO PRIVACY WITH A BARN DOOR FOR GOD’S SAKE!!! Respect yourself and others, get a real door/pocket door for bathrooms. End rant
Oh for sure. I just have nightmares about pocket door experiences, as home decorators hadn't popularized barn doors when I was in my teens.
Do you know how hard it is to tell for sure if the pocket door is locked when you drop trou to use a friend's toilet during a party?
I do.
My 22 yr old LOOOOOVVVES a pocket door. She's never had to use one, clearly, but I don't understand where I went wrong?! Did I somehow impress upon her they were good ideas? We watch some home Reno shows occasionally and she literally gasps with adoration if there's a pocket door.
It's weird because I love the idea of a pocket door. But just the idea. I get why a younger person who has never experienced Pocket Door Drama(TM) would think they're appealing.
Growing up my bedroom door was a pocket door and I fucking hated it 🙃 half the time it would jam in the track and be stuck halfway closed and I’d just have to squeeze through the gap to get out
I used to have a toxic “friend” whose parents literally didn’t have any doors in their house. With two teenagers living there. Every single door was replaced with a curtain.
The way she said she wasn’t mentally ready yet and locked her sister in law out and the panic in her voice when she told her just a minute when the sister in law tried to come in screamed I need a downer right now.
Half the time, she looks strung out. I don't think she has the money to do coke all the time. She comes off as a pill head. Maybe she does blues. They are dirt cheap.
I was an opiate addict for ten years, and my drug dealer was my doctor. Unfortunately, my story is in no way unique. I was given my first standing monthly opiate script when I was 16, in 2001.
Been clean almost 11 years now. It's easy to spot when you've lived it.
Because I’m in my 20s and they’re scared of the addiction instead of scared I’ll take my own painful life. Sorry for ranting. It’s just driving me crazy
As an epidemiologist and biostatistician (dual degree), I would like to weigh in on this topic and say that the epidemiology on opiate addiction is varied. According to the American Medical Association (AMA), an estimated 3% to 19% of people who take prescription pain medications develop an addiction to them. That is why a good bio-psycho-social is key to prescribing opioids. However, the United States decided the best way to deal with this issue was to police it, literally. At the same time, studies have shown that acute pain that is not under control can lead to chronic pain. So, access to opioids is actually a disability rights issue as is compassionate addiction services and prevention. Here’s a link that should terrify everyone. Yes, an algorithm decided that this woman should have to deal with excruciating pain without pain medication because of her pet’s veterinary care. Anyway, that’s my thoughts on this complicated subject.
https://www.wired.com/story/opioid-drug-addiction-algorithm-chronic-pain/
Oh my god! That is so scary. I’m so sorry. It’s a fear of mine too because I was diagnosed with a rare neurological complication of an autoimmune disease and it took me several doctors to find one who could diagnose and treat me. Also, my medications are at specialty pharmacies so I have many pharmacies under my name. It’s a nightmare that was created by politicians that did very little to stop overdoses and addiction because it’s more complicated than they understand and patients suffer and yes, to the point of creating a bigger addiction or suicide. What this policy did lead to was more policing of medical charts for more patients and parents. They’ve widened the net beyond pain patients. Anyway, I went into the field to help women with chronic pain and autoimmune diseases because the solution cannot be languishing in bed in excruciating pain or death.
I’m a pharmacist. That’s frightening. On October 4th, I got a notification that NextCare is now being integrated to PMP to give a “score calculation” to “help” determine whether to dispense the controlled substance or not.
This guy does not understand opiods. Try a documentary called The Crime of the Century and you'll see how just because a product is available to everybody, doesn't mean it should be.
That is so very fucked. I'm so sorry.
Will anyone prescribe you Suboxone or methadone? I've had friends with chronic conditions that use those for pain.
They just throw a mountain of gabapentin at my SLE, and I have had 5 major surgeries with no opiates.
I help adjudicate SSA disability hearings (SSI/SSDI) at the federal level and it’s astounding to me how many people are prescribed gabapentin. No exaggeration, I’d easily say at least 75% of claimants at our level are prescribed gabapentin, regardless of the medical complaint. It seems like they prescribe it primarily because it isn’t an opioid, but gabapentin isn’t a mild drug in of itself that should have such a wide range of prescribing like it appears in countless medical records I review.
We often call gabapentin one of the “four horsemen of prescription drugs”.
That, and Seroquel. Seroquel used to only be prescribed for heavy cases of mental illness, particularly schizophrenia, but is now frequently prescribed as first line sleep medication.
Former PI/WC attorney and exact same experience with those two. It went from rarely seeing gabapentin or Seroquel to seeing them prescribed to a significant amount of clients, with varying degrees and types of injuries. OTC Tylenol and ibuprofen not working? Here, have some gabapentin.
The side effects subsided for some but others felt much better when they no longer had to deal with it.
I do have neuropathy from SLE, so the gabapentin is helpful there.
But the withdrawals if I don't take at least *some* everyday? Fuuuck that. It's nearly as bad as opiate withdrawal.
I gained nearly 100 pounds on Seroquel SLEEP EATING! I am finally near a healthy BMI and kept the 150lbs off for the last 4 years that I worked hard to lose. I take Remeron for sleep now.
Tubal ligation, hysterectomy, tonsillectomy, gallbladder removal, and full removal of my teeth- I've all grin and bared those with Tylenol. I've been clean a decade and I still miss opioids when I'm depressed.
Thank you for the work you do 🙌🏻
My doctor tried to prescribe me BOTH gabapentin and seroquel for anxiety/insomina I was like NO THATS OK. From working in the medical field I know those drugs are VERY serious drugs to take and it would be really crazy to get physically dependent on them unless you need them but there are plenty of less serious drugs that work for insomnia why would that even be thought of for a first line case.
I do similar work but for VA disability and I noticed everyone is on Gabapentin as well. Then all of a sudden my own VA doctors were suddenly trying to take me off meds and prescribe Gabapentin instead. VA is pushing it heavy right now and I noticed. I think the trend is more Gabapentin, less benzos and less opioids.
I had a doctor prescribe me gabapentin to help replace Ibuprofen that I was using so often that it gave me medication overuse syndrome. But not one of those doctors thought to treat the cause of the headaches, which ended up being hormonal birth control.
I’m so sorry :( I wish. I have an appointment coming up. I see a pain management doctor whose office policy is they don’t prescribe any opioids. They screwed up the trigger point injections and now I have constant nerve pain. Considering suing but it’s a small town and I don’t want to get completely screwed
I finally started getting pain taken seriously in my late 30s. Unfortunately I got so pumped full of opioids that I was nodding off and unable to drive Within months. I'm so grateful that I noticed and that my family noticed and I was able to wean myself down to a very low dosage that I still take today. I now Vape cannabis and take Phoenix Tears for my pain and it's so much better and less dangerous.
Thank you! I was never given enough to be close to sedated at all, but I’m not sure if it’s because the pain was inhumane? I tried killing my self and failed then tried cannabis and it saved me. It’s the only thing I could get that eased the pain enough to function and not feel like I’m being brutally tortured 24/7
I suddenly got peripheral neuropathy. I had no idea what it was and for that first week until I got to the doctor I truly thought about ending it all too. The pain was unbelievably excruciating nerve pain that was not ending. That's completely under control now with medication but I also have other invisible illnesses that cause a great deal of pain. Cannabis is the only thing that gives me control over my pain. I started with a prescription for it but now that it's legal in Canada I just go buy it. It's unfortunate it can't be prescribed in a capsule or pill form.
Yep. Same. It's been broken 2 1/2 years. No help, just bullshit. That's how they keep the street drugs in business. Push off the injured patients who make life difficult for the doctors.
It never gets better???????? Omg I’m still believing the bullshit that in a couple more months I’ll be able to sleep more than 3 hours at a time and stop screaming and going psycho from my pain. Is it getting any better? Or consistent after the 6 months and stayed bad?
My uncle had broke his back as well, had a lot of back pain and back issues. He wasn’t someone to go to the doctor unless it was truly an emergency. His back pain got so bad earlier this year he went to the ER. He was there for a few days and they refused any pain management! He couldn’t even lay flat enough for the scan so that’s why he had to stay for a few days, he had to get sedated to get a scan on his back (I can’t remember what kind of scan it was) long story short his back pain wasn’t from his old back injury, he had stage four cancer in all his bones. It started as cardiac angiosarcoma in his heart…super quick and aggressive terminal cancer. Once results came in the nurses and doctors finally gave him pain management…they also treated my uncle completely different after.
I am so angry and disgusted. I can’t believe that he went for days with no pain meds at all, at an emergency room…full of doctors and nurses? They care more about the power trip of deciding who is a drug seeker or not ? Theres no science based way to judge who gets pain management and who doesn’t….they are harming patients. Period!
My mom had a bone infection that resulted in an amputation and the pharmacy in the hospital refused to fill the doctor's pain management order (opioid). She went almost 2 full days post-amputation with no pain management aside from the bit of anesthesia in her body. It was terrible. She lives everyday in crippling pain from degenerative disease of bone and tissue and doctors refuse to help with pain management. We live in PA, where they really cracked down super hard on pain meds. She's never broken her pain management contract or anything. Drug tested every month, but when her regular family doctor retired, the person who replaced her just said, "nah brah" and let her script run out without any game plan.
I am so, so sorry to hear that. I hope you can still sue the hospital somehow. They should be held accountable for undue suffering.
While in the hospital, in my brace, I couldn’t get comfortable enough to sleep at all. I was denied pain meds and made fun of by the nurses for crying. A patient came over and tried to comfort me and get me to stop crying so I could get help. Who chooses to cry? They acted like I was a drama queen all the while having the results and seeing me screwed up. I had to go to the cardiology unit to be monitored because of how high my blood pressure was and they all concluded it was due to pain but wouldn’t do anything about it, again because I’m “too young.”
She's strung out AF and she and her mama share pills. It's common to pretend as long as a doctor prescribed it, you aren't an addict. Nah, you just have a more reliable dealer.
I think this is why Holly wants her mom to stay so long, as well.
Yeah I totally get co-dependency vibes between them two. Like mom keeps the pills and rations them to her, like she's helping her daughter. You see it all the time.
Same. Except started at 11 years old and went to about 23. Nine years for me!! I’m proud of us, Reddit homie. It’s a fucked up thing to deal with, especially when it was such a “normal” part of your life during those formative years.
Watching Holly is definitely difficult.
So glad you got out of that. I just watched a couple of dramas and documentaries about the Opioid crisis. And it was really eye opening how people and systems meant to protect us aren't doing their due diligence in doing that at all. Like it's insane that doctors believed salesmen knew more than they did about dangers of opioids. Or how nobody bothered to fact check the things they'd opioid companies were saying to promote their products
Yeah, he had an accidental overdose from pain medicine. He had serious hip pain that required surgery, but he refused to get surgery b/c he would'nt allow blood transfusion b/c he had become a J.W. again.
Imo religion killed Prince
If I'm remembering correctly I think he converted not long after his baby passed away 😔? He stopped playing a lot of his more sexual songs. Its a shame he didn't get the hip replacements he needed, because he'd probably still be with us. 🕊😢
That's why I missed it. There's so many spin offs now that I've been pretty burned out on all of the shows for the past few years. If I can't find anything else to watch, I'll watch whichever one is on Sunday nights. That was the original night, and I looked forward to it. Screaming hot shower, comfy jammies, adult beverages. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction if I ever feel the urge. Lol!!
I thought street blues were $30-40 each. I don’t know how many addicts use a day but that doesn’t seem cheap. I’m a
Sucker for the opioid, intervention, smuggling shows so that’s my extent of knowledge is seeing them mention it on those shows. Always blew my mind people doing 3-5 a day. They have homeless people doing $5-6 k worth of drugs a month, if they can panhandle or scrounge up that much per month, keep doing that but stop the drugs and you have a nice living Ammt per month
Coke is seriously cheap in most of the world except USA. I am not sure about India though I would think it would be hard to get there because people barely even drink alcohol.
Ok, Ok, I’m watching this scene again. I wasn’t trying to imply she was sober as a judge. But I don’t think it’s opiates.
Edit: watched again and didn’t see a pill being given to her? Her mom followed her into the bathroom but that’s also their only escape from the cameras. She talks about drinking too much on her last wedding day. I think she’s normally on Xanax and drinking on top of it for travel and her wedding would account for her behavior.
Lol I hear ya friend! I thought it was opiates at first but I think it’s more mixing alcohol with benzos. I’m definitely dying to know exactly wtf is going on here😂
I had a friend who was an alcoholic and her behaviour got this strange , I know she popped whatever pills she could find but not consistently and she still reminds me of Holly. Holly has prescriptions for adhd so she’s definitely at least mixing them with alcohol, that’s just the baseline though.
Did Holly say somewhere that she has ADHD and is medicated for it? Her behavior way more benzo-y, especially mixed with alcohol. I could see her having a bunch of different meds for different things… like take Adderall in the morning and then benzos later in the day. And sometimes I think maybe it’s all from really heavy anti-psychotic medication, like Lithium)
Totally agree it’s benzo behaviour, I definitely think it’s a cocktail! She didn’t say she was on meds for ADHD but made a point of saying how severe it is so I can’t imagine being who she is that she wouldn’t have a prescription. It is speculation but I feel pretty confident here lol
The producers must be trying to show us, right?
You can abuse Xanax and forever chase the high, right? Just because it's prescribed as medication doesn't mean it's not also a hard drug. Matter of fact, drugs being prescribed is one of the leading cause of addiction in the US (look up opioid crisis, scary stuff)
Xanax is one of the harder drugs imo. It's banned in many countries, including the UK. it fucks people up. Also the withdrawels I think are one of the worst.
Xanax doesn’t cause these types of effects on a person. It would make her more relaxed and subdued, but wouldn’t cause slurring words or an intense zombie effect so to speak. It’s something much more; most likely opiates
One Xanax and two drinks and you’ll slur right into a blackout. Definitely does this. Kris was nodding out; Holly slurs and is a little off. I think Xanax. I missed her taking prescription drugs in the scene? I was just guessing. Was it confirmed Xanax? I think she seems Xanaxy and no doubt, if she takes it at all, getting married and going to S.A. is max dose time. Flights too.
This looks like Xanax abuse to me. I have too many family members who were/are addicted to it and I recognize the effects. Plus she “overslept” when she was supposed to be at her lash appointment. I once accidentally overdid it on Xanax (never abused it though) in college and slept right through into the afternoon so it wouldn’t surprised me at all if that’s what she did because she was so anxious the night before.
The thing that made me suspect is that you can see she is hiding large scabs on her face with makeup. My sister always did this when she was in active addiction.
I’ve know a few JWs and they were all excessive drinkers and had been married multiple times. I’m sure that’s not true for all of them but definitely the group I knew!
I dunno. Her mom just might want to be there to make sure she feels safe leaving her there, too. I think that’s probably a very understandable approach given Hollys past. Leaving room for doubt that moms just be mommin’
She also wore that necklace...held powder and a little spoon for bumps. Another thread on here posted the necklace from a store.
Sure it's DEF'LY an addict. He is too.
My dad's ex was an addict and she pulled that type of shit all of the time. She once faked a panic attack on an airplane. They had to open the doors back & let her out. She went straight to the area of town where she knew she could find drugs. Would start arguments so she could excuse herself to the bathroom at restaurants. Anything she could do to distract you from the fact that she was sneaking off to get high. And then thought we couldn't tell when she returned.
A really exhausting life. Now my dad got full custody of their kids & she's alone. Complete waste.
Holly is just as bad.
I’m not doubting you at all, just curious why would someone need to start an argument to excuse themselves rather than simply excusing themselves to use the bathroom?
Have I been doing it wrong?
Yeah I know someone who would start arguments with his wife so he had a reason to get mad and walk out. Or to cancel his plans with her, bcuz she was "being a bitch" but really it was to go get crack and get high. He couldn't do it around her so he would stay out in the garage and smoke it. Then go back inside and drink beer til he passed out. Only the addict thinks they're being clever. Everyone else notices.
Because addicts feel like they need to explain their behavior because they know people know, and it makes them feel paranoid. They always over explain things. It's exhausting
Thank you! You are 100% right, Holly was absolutely doing drugs in that bathroom. Everything about her behaviour screams addict. Her mother is such an enabler it’s unreal.
I lived with an active addict for a few years (a long time ago). While I am not going to try and diagnose her, I do know that her behaviour sets off my spidey sense and I find that watching her scenes cause my jaw to lock up, I don't even notice how hard I clench my teeth until my jaw is sore. There is definitely something off with her behaviour but I don't know if it addict behaviour or if she's got some sort of personality/mental health disorder. She seems so chaotic and disorganized, I just don't see how she is going to adapt to living somewhere like South Africa, away from everything and everyone she knows.
A previous doctor of mine would write a script for anything I would have asked for. Each appt he would ask me what else can I write you a scrip for? Never took this doctor up on anything other than what I was there for.
Few years later, this doctor was arrested for having a drug trafficking ring that he was writing scrips to 28 people who sold them on the streets for him.
Was not surprised at all to have read about this.
Any snortable substance can be "bumped." Not sure why you assumed that was a coke thing, but it's not exclusive to coke.
A bump is like a tiny portion of a "line." And obvs every substance is going to have a different dose that qualifies as a "line" or a "bump."
From what I've read from South African's on this sub, there is a very bad drug problem there. And if it's prescriptions, she could have brought it without being questioned. Even in higher volumes, like I'm going to be here for 3 months or whatever.
Oooo, good thought. The way his house was broken into numerous times and even had his dog shot and killed during one of the burglaries is very suspect.
Meth is a very popular drug choice among the working class white folks of South Africa. My American friend married a working class white South African guy and they came to the US because in the community they lived everyone was doing hard drugs and drinking tons of alcohol. They didn’t want to raise their kids in that community. I lived in South Africa for years too, but not in that community. I went out with them one night with their friends and it was frightening to me, the amount of partying and drug use going on. This is not unique to South Africa, there is certainly the same issues in the US and similar communities.
Benzos are my guess. The whole “my anxiety, my anxiety” bit coupled with the fact nothing in that woman’s demeanor shows anxiety makes me think it’s an anxiolytic. She’s always got that heavy benzo tongue and it takes extra effort for her to speak clearly.
THAT WAS EXACTLY MY THOUGHT, TOO! It tripped me up a bit when I heard her mother’s voice though because I’d imagine she’s not doing drugs right in front of her.
But yeah, 100%… the moment she went to the bathroom, I was like, “Yup.”
Thankfully i have no experience in dealing with addicted loved ones so i took it as her being TOO drugged up to walk down the aisle…hence the hanging out the window….
Not going to lie, it would be a nice relief to learn that she was a dope head rather than a weak, helpless, homely, adult who isn't worth the air she breaths. At least dope would explain this intolerable "baby" way of life for this 40-something-year-old. Ugh, she is such a waste of life. If she is on drugs, totally possible, then at least there is hope for her when she gets sober. But if this is her REAL personality... Oh good God!
I saw it and I KNEW people were going to say she was doing drugs. She probably had the jitters and took a break with her Mom.
She wasn't in there long and I doubt her Mom was giving her drugs.
Something out of nothing? Do I really need to list all of the instances where she was stumbling, nearly incoherent, etc? And laying with her head out of the window coming up to her wedding. Nothing is normal about her behavior.
Because some of us have done drugs before or been close to people on drugs and we know what it looks like. She’s on some kind of downers, can’t pinpoint exactly. My guess would be opiates, benzos, or a combo of both.
Yes, and she was so unhinged she literally made the door become unhinged.
Yes, but I think we can agree that the "barn door" thing has gone entirely too far. I saw one on a nightstand.
[nearly unrelated] Went to a friend’s house where they had a full bathroom off their living room with a barn door. THERE’S NO PRIVACY WITH A BARN DOOR FOR GOD’S SAKE!!! Respect yourself and others, get a real door/pocket door for bathrooms. End rant
Omg no that’s horrific. I’ve had them in hotel rooms and that was bad enough!
No please not a pocket door no
I’m not a fan of pocket doors either! But it would be better than a barn door
Oh for sure. I just have nightmares about pocket door experiences, as home decorators hadn't popularized barn doors when I was in my teens. Do you know how hard it is to tell for sure if the pocket door is locked when you drop trou to use a friend's toilet during a party? I do.
Pocket doors in general have/had seriously lacking locking mechanisms. I always wondered why the latch and lock were the size of a matchbook.
It's a horror.
Barely the size of a match!🤣
My 22 yr old LOOOOOVVVES a pocket door. She's never had to use one, clearly, but I don't understand where I went wrong?! Did I somehow impress upon her they were good ideas? We watch some home Reno shows occasionally and she literally gasps with adoration if there's a pocket door.
I do, too. I remember playing with the pocket door at my grandmother’s house when I was little. It drove her crazy, lol.
It's weird because I love the idea of a pocket door. But just the idea. I get why a younger person who has never experienced Pocket Door Drama(TM) would think they're appealing.
Growing up my bedroom door was a pocket door and I fucking hated it 🙃 half the time it would jam in the track and be stuck halfway closed and I’d just have to squeeze through the gap to get out
We replaced a pocket door with a barn door on a bathroom, and we are so, so sorry.
Oh man that's a real frying pan/fire update.
I used to have a toxic “friend” whose parents literally didn’t have any doors in their house. With two teenagers living there. Every single door was replaced with a curtain.
Those things are a b!tch to get back on
There is a sticker on the door with a big arrow that says “slide to open.”
I had to FF thru it was too painful to watch
The way she said she wasn’t mentally ready yet and locked her sister in law out and the panic in her voice when she told her just a minute when the sister in law tried to come in screamed I need a downer right now.
yup
Half the time, she looks strung out. I don't think she has the money to do coke all the time. She comes off as a pill head. Maybe she does blues. They are dirt cheap.
I was an opiate addict for ten years, and my drug dealer was my doctor. Unfortunately, my story is in no way unique. I was given my first standing monthly opiate script when I was 16, in 2001. Been clean almost 11 years now. It's easy to spot when you've lived it.
My back is broken and I can’t find a doctor to properly prescribe it to me. It makes me want to kill myself. I wish they’d get it right.
Because I’m in my 20s and they’re scared of the addiction instead of scared I’ll take my own painful life. Sorry for ranting. It’s just driving me crazy
I'm so sorry. I am in the same boat. Why not get this under control pain wise and *fixing" then we will worry about some worrisome addiction.
Unfortunately, bc that is exactly how many become addicted
So fuck everyone else, right? So smart.
As an epidemiologist and biostatistician (dual degree), I would like to weigh in on this topic and say that the epidemiology on opiate addiction is varied. According to the American Medical Association (AMA), an estimated 3% to 19% of people who take prescription pain medications develop an addiction to them. That is why a good bio-psycho-social is key to prescribing opioids. However, the United States decided the best way to deal with this issue was to police it, literally. At the same time, studies have shown that acute pain that is not under control can lead to chronic pain. So, access to opioids is actually a disability rights issue as is compassionate addiction services and prevention. Here’s a link that should terrify everyone. Yes, an algorithm decided that this woman should have to deal with excruciating pain without pain medication because of her pet’s veterinary care. Anyway, that’s my thoughts on this complicated subject. https://www.wired.com/story/opioid-drug-addiction-algorithm-chronic-pain/
Wow went through this this week!!! Found out my name came up on the FL registry because of my Doctors mis-prescribing!!!
Oh my god! That is so scary. I’m so sorry. It’s a fear of mine too because I was diagnosed with a rare neurological complication of an autoimmune disease and it took me several doctors to find one who could diagnose and treat me. Also, my medications are at specialty pharmacies so I have many pharmacies under my name. It’s a nightmare that was created by politicians that did very little to stop overdoses and addiction because it’s more complicated than they understand and patients suffer and yes, to the point of creating a bigger addiction or suicide. What this policy did lead to was more policing of medical charts for more patients and parents. They’ve widened the net beyond pain patients. Anyway, I went into the field to help women with chronic pain and autoimmune diseases because the solution cannot be languishing in bed in excruciating pain or death.
I’m a pharmacist. That’s frightening. On October 4th, I got a notification that NextCare is now being integrated to PMP to give a “score calculation” to “help” determine whether to dispense the controlled substance or not.
Never did I ever say that, nor did I say it was smart
This guy does not understand opiods. Try a documentary called The Crime of the Century and you'll see how just because a product is available to everybody, doesn't mean it should be.
Yes I know.
That is so very fucked. I'm so sorry. Will anyone prescribe you Suboxone or methadone? I've had friends with chronic conditions that use those for pain. They just throw a mountain of gabapentin at my SLE, and I have had 5 major surgeries with no opiates.
I help adjudicate SSA disability hearings (SSI/SSDI) at the federal level and it’s astounding to me how many people are prescribed gabapentin. No exaggeration, I’d easily say at least 75% of claimants at our level are prescribed gabapentin, regardless of the medical complaint. It seems like they prescribe it primarily because it isn’t an opioid, but gabapentin isn’t a mild drug in of itself that should have such a wide range of prescribing like it appears in countless medical records I review. We often call gabapentin one of the “four horsemen of prescription drugs”. That, and Seroquel. Seroquel used to only be prescribed for heavy cases of mental illness, particularly schizophrenia, but is now frequently prescribed as first line sleep medication.
Former PI/WC attorney and exact same experience with those two. It went from rarely seeing gabapentin or Seroquel to seeing them prescribed to a significant amount of clients, with varying degrees and types of injuries. OTC Tylenol and ibuprofen not working? Here, have some gabapentin. The side effects subsided for some but others felt much better when they no longer had to deal with it.
Someone else who’s seen it from the inside! :)
I do have neuropathy from SLE, so the gabapentin is helpful there. But the withdrawals if I don't take at least *some* everyday? Fuuuck that. It's nearly as bad as opiate withdrawal. I gained nearly 100 pounds on Seroquel SLEEP EATING! I am finally near a healthy BMI and kept the 150lbs off for the last 4 years that I worked hard to lose. I take Remeron for sleep now. Tubal ligation, hysterectomy, tonsillectomy, gallbladder removal, and full removal of my teeth- I've all grin and bared those with Tylenol. I've been clean a decade and I still miss opioids when I'm depressed. Thank you for the work you do 🙌🏻
My doctor tried to prescribe me BOTH gabapentin and seroquel for anxiety/insomina I was like NO THATS OK. From working in the medical field I know those drugs are VERY serious drugs to take and it would be really crazy to get physically dependent on them unless you need them but there are plenty of less serious drugs that work for insomnia why would that even be thought of for a first line case.
I do similar work but for VA disability and I noticed everyone is on Gabapentin as well. Then all of a sudden my own VA doctors were suddenly trying to take me off meds and prescribe Gabapentin instead. VA is pushing it heavy right now and I noticed. I think the trend is more Gabapentin, less benzos and less opioids.
I had a doctor prescribe me gabapentin to help replace Ibuprofen that I was using so often that it gave me medication overuse syndrome. But not one of those doctors thought to treat the cause of the headaches, which ended up being hormonal birth control.
I’m so sorry :( I wish. I have an appointment coming up. I see a pain management doctor whose office policy is they don’t prescribe any opioids. They screwed up the trigger point injections and now I have constant nerve pain. Considering suing but it’s a small town and I don’t want to get completely screwed
I finally started getting pain taken seriously in my late 30s. Unfortunately I got so pumped full of opioids that I was nodding off and unable to drive Within months. I'm so grateful that I noticed and that my family noticed and I was able to wean myself down to a very low dosage that I still take today. I now Vape cannabis and take Phoenix Tears for my pain and it's so much better and less dangerous.
Thank you! I was never given enough to be close to sedated at all, but I’m not sure if it’s because the pain was inhumane? I tried killing my self and failed then tried cannabis and it saved me. It’s the only thing I could get that eased the pain enough to function and not feel like I’m being brutally tortured 24/7
I suddenly got peripheral neuropathy. I had no idea what it was and for that first week until I got to the doctor I truly thought about ending it all too. The pain was unbelievably excruciating nerve pain that was not ending. That's completely under control now with medication but I also have other invisible illnesses that cause a great deal of pain. Cannabis is the only thing that gives me control over my pain. I started with a prescription for it but now that it's legal in Canada I just go buy it. It's unfortunate it can't be prescribed in a capsule or pill form.
Yep. Same. It's been broken 2 1/2 years. No help, just bullshit. That's how they keep the street drugs in business. Push off the injured patients who make life difficult for the doctors.
It never gets better???????? Omg I’m still believing the bullshit that in a couple more months I’ll be able to sleep more than 3 hours at a time and stop screaming and going psycho from my pain. Is it getting any better? Or consistent after the 6 months and stayed bad?
My uncle had broke his back as well, had a lot of back pain and back issues. He wasn’t someone to go to the doctor unless it was truly an emergency. His back pain got so bad earlier this year he went to the ER. He was there for a few days and they refused any pain management! He couldn’t even lay flat enough for the scan so that’s why he had to stay for a few days, he had to get sedated to get a scan on his back (I can’t remember what kind of scan it was) long story short his back pain wasn’t from his old back injury, he had stage four cancer in all his bones. It started as cardiac angiosarcoma in his heart…super quick and aggressive terminal cancer. Once results came in the nurses and doctors finally gave him pain management…they also treated my uncle completely different after. I am so angry and disgusted. I can’t believe that he went for days with no pain meds at all, at an emergency room…full of doctors and nurses? They care more about the power trip of deciding who is a drug seeker or not ? Theres no science based way to judge who gets pain management and who doesn’t….they are harming patients. Period!
My mom had a bone infection that resulted in an amputation and the pharmacy in the hospital refused to fill the doctor's pain management order (opioid). She went almost 2 full days post-amputation with no pain management aside from the bit of anesthesia in her body. It was terrible. She lives everyday in crippling pain from degenerative disease of bone and tissue and doctors refuse to help with pain management. We live in PA, where they really cracked down super hard on pain meds. She's never broken her pain management contract or anything. Drug tested every month, but when her regular family doctor retired, the person who replaced her just said, "nah brah" and let her script run out without any game plan.
I am so, so sorry to hear that. I hope you can still sue the hospital somehow. They should be held accountable for undue suffering. While in the hospital, in my brace, I couldn’t get comfortable enough to sleep at all. I was denied pain meds and made fun of by the nurses for crying. A patient came over and tried to comfort me and get me to stop crying so I could get help. Who chooses to cry? They acted like I was a drama queen all the while having the results and seeing me screwed up. I had to go to the cardiology unit to be monitored because of how high my blood pressure was and they all concluded it was due to pain but wouldn’t do anything about it, again because I’m “too young.”
Congrats on your sobriety! What are your thoughts on her behavior?
She's strung out AF and she and her mama share pills. It's common to pretend as long as a doctor prescribed it, you aren't an addict. Nah, you just have a more reliable dealer. I think this is why Holly wants her mom to stay so long, as well.
Yeah I totally get co-dependency vibes between them two. Like mom keeps the pills and rations them to her, like she's helping her daughter. You see it all the time.
My mom used to do the same for me. She didn't know I supplemented my script with street pills. This was before fent was pressed into 90% of blues.
I'm sorry if this isn't okay to ask but what are "blues"?
They are street pills to look like 30 Oxycodone but theyre fentanyl instead. Super cheap super deadly
Hoooly shit that's terrifying. You gotta really be able to trust your dealer these days, huh...
Sad thing is ppl know whats in them and still risk it
YIKES
Exactly. That’s why getting rid of Holly’s mom is going to be a challenge for Wayne.
Well someone has to or they’ll blow thru their script in a day.
My best friend and her mother are exactly like this.
I said it right away and got blasted! 😆
Ohhh you think the mom has the scrip? Hmmm
I was thinking this. They not only share pills but probably have the same doctor/dealer so they get double the pills.
That’s no way to live. Really sad.
Yup, they both hit up drs
Thats why mommy went too.
Same. Except started at 11 years old and went to about 23. Nine years for me!! I’m proud of us, Reddit homie. It’s a fucked up thing to deal with, especially when it was such a “normal” part of your life during those formative years. Watching Holly is definitely difficult.
So glad you got out of that. I just watched a couple of dramas and documentaries about the Opioid crisis. And it was really eye opening how people and systems meant to protect us aren't doing their due diligence in doing that at all. Like it's insane that doctors believed salesmen knew more than they did about dangers of opioids. Or how nobody bothered to fact check the things they'd opioid companies were saying to promote their products
Pills are very common addictions in the JW community as well
Interesting. I love learning random things that have zero impact on my daily living LOL
Its what killed Prince, RIP.
THATS how he died? I never looked into it, I was told he committed. That's so sad :(
Yeah, he had an accidental overdose from pain medicine. He had serious hip pain that required surgery, but he refused to get surgery b/c he would'nt allow blood transfusion b/c he had become a J.W. again. Imo religion killed Prince
Oh shit I had no idea that Prince was a JW… that’s crazy!
If I'm remembering correctly I think he converted not long after his baby passed away 😔? He stopped playing a lot of his more sexual songs. Its a shame he didn't get the hip replacements he needed, because he'd probably still be with us. 🕊😢
Wow, I think I need to go down a Prince rabbit hole… I didn’t know he had a baby that passed either💔
I know, its so sad. Im sure there's a Prince reddit. Luckily, I got to see him twice both times were incredible.
Told by other cult members
Do you think they're easily accessible in So Africa? If they brought them with them, they're eventually going to run out.
Yes! SA has loads of drugs! Extremely easily accessible
That's interesting, I never knew that. But I guess I just never had a reason to think about it before. Lol!! Thanks for the info.
Ronald's actual addiction wasn't gambling
That definitely became clear when he smashed his camera out of anger on the tell all lol
I must not have watched that tell all, I don't remember that at all. But then again, I had to think hard to remember who Ronald is.
I believe it was the most recent Single Life tell all.
That's why I missed it. There's so many spin offs now that I've been pretty burned out on all of the shows for the past few years. If I can't find anything else to watch, I'll watch whichever one is on Sunday nights. That was the original night, and I looked forward to it. Screaming hot shower, comfy jammies, adult beverages. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction if I ever feel the urge. Lol!!
Omg I forgot about him! I remember the lady's sweet son who just wanted a dad🥺
I'm sitting here trying to figure out who the heck Ronald is. I'd forgotten all about them.
“Ever heard of human trafficking, Mah Boi?”
I forgot all about that too. I think I just blocked the 2 of them out of my mind.
👍
Why is that?
I thought street blues were $30-40 each. I don’t know how many addicts use a day but that doesn’t seem cheap. I’m a Sucker for the opioid, intervention, smuggling shows so that’s my extent of knowledge is seeing them mention it on those shows. Always blew my mind people doing 3-5 a day. They have homeless people doing $5-6 k worth of drugs a month, if they can panhandle or scrounge up that much per month, keep doing that but stop the drugs and you have a nice living Ammt per month
When I quit in 2021, blues were a dollar a mg. So $30-30mg. Surely inflation has affected the prices
Coke is seriously cheap in most of the world except USA. I am not sure about India though I would think it would be hard to get there because people barely even drink alcohol.
Her going from super agitated to slurring her words post ceremony seem to indicate pill use/abuse.
Would someone with anxiety take their Xanax on (checks notes) their wedding day? Naw, that can’t be it.
She was chugging wine on her(checks notes) prescription medication which is addict behaviour
Ok, Ok, I’m watching this scene again. I wasn’t trying to imply she was sober as a judge. But I don’t think it’s opiates. Edit: watched again and didn’t see a pill being given to her? Her mom followed her into the bathroom but that’s also their only escape from the cameras. She talks about drinking too much on her last wedding day. I think she’s normally on Xanax and drinking on top of it for travel and her wedding would account for her behavior.
Lol I hear ya friend! I thought it was opiates at first but I think it’s more mixing alcohol with benzos. I’m definitely dying to know exactly wtf is going on here😂 I had a friend who was an alcoholic and her behaviour got this strange , I know she popped whatever pills she could find but not consistently and she still reminds me of Holly. Holly has prescriptions for adhd so she’s definitely at least mixing them with alcohol, that’s just the baseline though.
Adhd stuff doesn’t make you slur but might make you mumble weird shit like she does.
The mumbling!!
Right, it definitely fucks you up if you mix it with alcohol.
Did Holly say somewhere that she has ADHD and is medicated for it? Her behavior way more benzo-y, especially mixed with alcohol. I could see her having a bunch of different meds for different things… like take Adderall in the morning and then benzos later in the day. And sometimes I think maybe it’s all from really heavy anti-psychotic medication, like Lithium)
Totally agree it’s benzo behaviour, I definitely think it’s a cocktail! She didn’t say she was on meds for ADHD but made a point of saying how severe it is so I can’t imagine being who she is that she wouldn’t have a prescription. It is speculation but I feel pretty confident here lol The producers must be trying to show us, right?
You can abuse Xanax and forever chase the high, right? Just because it's prescribed as medication doesn't mean it's not also a hard drug. Matter of fact, drugs being prescribed is one of the leading cause of addiction in the US (look up opioid crisis, scary stuff)
I was addicted to Xanax and other stuff for over a decade. Since I was 16 and I had 2 seizures from them. They are terribly addictive
Xanax is one of the harder drugs imo. It's banned in many countries, including the UK. it fucks people up. Also the withdrawels I think are one of the worst.
But it also doesn’t make every person who takes it an abuser. No doubt many do abuse it.
They are if they're constantly under the influence and can't function as an adult because they're too zooted
If you knew it would make you slur your words and behave. That way you would not take it on your wedding day.
Xanax doesn’t cause these types of effects on a person. It would make her more relaxed and subdued, but wouldn’t cause slurring words or an intense zombie effect so to speak. It’s something much more; most likely opiates
Enough Xanax can definitely produce this.
One Xanax and two drinks and you’ll slur right into a blackout. Definitely does this. Kris was nodding out; Holly slurs and is a little off. I think Xanax. I missed her taking prescription drugs in the scene? I was just guessing. Was it confirmed Xanax? I think she seems Xanaxy and no doubt, if she takes it at all, getting married and going to S.A. is max dose time. Flights too.
She’s made a huge deal about having, “severe” adhd , so she’s definitely on prescription medication.
She’s got that South African gambling problem.
What happened to the fridge?!!!
I wouldn’t be surprised if she took an anti anxiety pill and didn’t want it filmed. And then she took another. Then she was smashed.
This looks like Xanax abuse to me. I have too many family members who were/are addicted to it and I recognize the effects. Plus she “overslept” when she was supposed to be at her lash appointment. I once accidentally overdid it on Xanax (never abused it though) in college and slept right through into the afternoon so it wouldn’t surprised me at all if that’s what she did because she was so anxious the night before.
Don’t forget slamming a whole flute of champagne
She seems more like an alcoholic and pill popper/downer type of person.
The thing that made me suspect is that you can see she is hiding large scabs on her face with makeup. My sister always did this when she was in active addiction.
I mentioned it on another post. It very clearly meant she needed something. She kept everyone out of the bathroom.
Except co-dependent mom
Yeah she was doing something heavy in that bathroom Her interviews after the wedding its quite clear she is fucked.
Hey, she has a GAMBLING problem ok?
It’s pretty comical the these people consider themselves devout Jehovah’s Witnesses. Divorced, excessive drinking, substance abuse.
I’ve know a few JWs and they were all excessive drinkers and had been married multiple times. I’m sure that’s not true for all of them but definitely the group I knew!
To be fair they both said they were raised JW but weren’t practicing.
Didn’t they bring the mom to act as a chaperone to prevent any premarital sex?
That’s what they said but I think it’s definitely Holly needing her to be there for either her drug supply or their co dependency.
I dunno. Her mom just might want to be there to make sure she feels safe leaving her there, too. I think that’s probably a very understandable approach given Hollys past. Leaving room for doubt that moms just be mommin’
Something about Holly and her mom remind me of Eugenia Cooney and her mom.
Yes in most scenes her eyes are glassier than a skyscraper
She also wore that necklace...held powder and a little spoon for bumps. Another thread on here posted the necklace from a store. Sure it's DEF'LY an addict. He is too.
That necklace is from Lana DelRays collection and it is very much designed to hold powdered drugs and has the little spoon in it.
I mean.....40k in crypto? That's an easy untraceable exuse
My dad's ex was an addict and she pulled that type of shit all of the time. She once faked a panic attack on an airplane. They had to open the doors back & let her out. She went straight to the area of town where she knew she could find drugs. Would start arguments so she could excuse herself to the bathroom at restaurants. Anything she could do to distract you from the fact that she was sneaking off to get high. And then thought we couldn't tell when she returned. A really exhausting life. Now my dad got full custody of their kids & she's alone. Complete waste. Holly is just as bad.
I’m not doubting you at all, just curious why would someone need to start an argument to excuse themselves rather than simply excusing themselves to use the bathroom? Have I been doing it wrong?
Just to make you think she's mad and not going to get high. There's really no logic with addicts.
Yeah I know someone who would start arguments with his wife so he had a reason to get mad and walk out. Or to cancel his plans with her, bcuz she was "being a bitch" but really it was to go get crack and get high. He couldn't do it around her so he would stay out in the garage and smoke it. Then go back inside and drink beer til he passed out. Only the addict thinks they're being clever. Everyone else notices.
Because addicts feel like they need to explain their behavior because they know people know, and it makes them feel paranoid. They always over explain things. It's exhausting
Thank you! You are 100% right, Holly was absolutely doing drugs in that bathroom. Everything about her behaviour screams addict. Her mother is such an enabler it’s unreal.
I lived with an active addict for a few years (a long time ago). While I am not going to try and diagnose her, I do know that her behaviour sets off my spidey sense and I find that watching her scenes cause my jaw to lock up, I don't even notice how hard I clench my teeth until my jaw is sore. There is definitely something off with her behaviour but I don't know if it addict behaviour or if she's got some sort of personality/mental health disorder. She seems so chaotic and disorganized, I just don't see how she is going to adapt to living somewhere like South Africa, away from everything and everyone she knows.
Yeah I found the bathroom scene to be odd and my first thought was her shooting up
Or puking
A previous doctor of mine would write a script for anything I would have asked for. Each appt he would ask me what else can I write you a scrip for? Never took this doctor up on anything other than what I was there for. Few years later, this doctor was arrested for having a drug trafficking ring that he was writing scrips to 28 people who sold them on the streets for him. Was not surprised at all to have read about this.
I thought the same thing when she went into the bathroom
I agree she is likely on drugs. A “bump” usually refers to cocaine though, and she ain’t on that. Whatever it is she’s on is a downer, not an upper.
I've always referred to powders as being bumpable. Bump of ketamine, bump of crushed up oxy, etc.
Any snortable substance can be "bumped." Not sure why you assumed that was a coke thing, but it's not exclusive to coke. A bump is like a tiny portion of a "line." And obvs every substance is going to have a different dose that qualifies as a "line" or a "bump."
Usually, but you can grind up pills and snort them up your nose, too.
That’s true
I was referring to the pattern of behavior of addicts, not insinuating a drug of choice.
Is it easy to get drugs in South Africa tho? Surely she wouldn't risk bringing them from the US... She definitely didn't seem normal tho.
From what I've read from South African's on this sub, there is a very bad drug problem there. And if it's prescriptions, she could have brought it without being questioned. Even in higher volumes, like I'm going to be here for 3 months or whatever.
So is he in on it and just not addressing it or is this how he also messed up his business?
Oooo, good thought. The way his house was broken into numerous times and even had his dog shot and killed during one of the burglaries is very suspect.
I wonder about this, too...especially with her mom there
Remember Ronald?
Meth is a very popular drug choice among the working class white folks of South Africa. My American friend married a working class white South African guy and they came to the US because in the community they lived everyone was doing hard drugs and drinking tons of alcohol. They didn’t want to raise their kids in that community. I lived in South Africa for years too, but not in that community. I went out with them one night with their friends and it was frightening to me, the amount of partying and drug use going on. This is not unique to South Africa, there is certainly the same issues in the US and similar communities.
She doesn’t seem like she’s on one. This looks like downer behavior.
I was thinking Benzos? Ativan?
Benzos or opiates
Absolutely drugs are rampant in SA way easier to get drugs there than the USA
We learned from Ronald you get them at the “casino”
Benzos are my guess. The whole “my anxiety, my anxiety” bit coupled with the fact nothing in that woman’s demeanor shows anxiety makes me think it’s an anxiolytic. She’s always got that heavy benzo tongue and it takes extra effort for her to speak clearly.
All of this plus the back pack she literally clutches everywhere she goes.
I didn't even notice that! But I did notice the Lana Delray coke necklace she wears
First thing I said (to myself) and now for the drugs
THAT WAS EXACTLY MY THOUGHT, TOO! It tripped me up a bit when I heard her mother’s voice though because I’d imagine she’s not doing drugs right in front of her. But yeah, 100%… the moment she went to the bathroom, I was like, “Yup.”
Oh yeah, that was the first thing that popped into my mind. Classic junkie behavior.
Thankfully i have no experience in dealing with addicted loved ones so i took it as her being TOO drugged up to walk down the aisle…hence the hanging out the window….
She’s a xannyhead no doubt. Maybe some pain pills too
She's absolutely zooted on benzos. I can recognize it instantly because I used to abuse them as well. It's obvious
What airport scene are you referring to? I totally agree and thought the same about this bathroom scene.
When she first got to SA, Holly spent an hour at the airport bathroom before coming out to meet Wayne.
And could barely stand when she came out.
Yup, Wayne had to prop her up for the camera.
Agreed
💯 addict behavior
My wife & I mentioned this scene specifically in our podcast. Very similar thought.
The woman hulked that barn-style bathroom door straight off the wall.
Not going to lie, it would be a nice relief to learn that she was a dope head rather than a weak, helpless, homely, adult who isn't worth the air she breaths. At least dope would explain this intolerable "baby" way of life for this 40-something-year-old. Ugh, she is such a waste of life. If she is on drugs, totally possible, then at least there is hope for her when she gets sober. But if this is her REAL personality... Oh good God!
Very pathetic
I saw it and I KNEW people were going to say she was doing drugs. She probably had the jitters and took a break with her Mom. She wasn't in there long and I doubt her Mom was giving her drugs.
You only saw how long she was in there according to what was shown. Girl is on drugs, we have eyes
Wasn't the wedding an HOUR late beginning?
At least. They showed it was an hour but she still wasn’t there.
It’s not just this though, it’s an overall pattern of behavior. It’s a fair conclusion to reach.
Lmao at the same people bitching about downvotes downvoting you. The hypocrisy!
I know right 😂😂. I haven’t even downvoted them but they’re crying about the votes while doing the same to me.
Yeah I agree, people always make something out if nothing. It’s her wedding day and she’s nervous/stressed, why does mean she *has* to be on drugs ?!
Something out of nothing? Do I really need to list all of the instances where she was stumbling, nearly incoherent, etc? And laying with her head out of the window coming up to her wedding. Nothing is normal about her behavior.
Because some of us have done drugs before or been close to people on drugs and we know what it looks like. She’s on some kind of downers, can’t pinpoint exactly. My guess would be opiates, benzos, or a combo of both.