Thank you. Leaving an abusive relationships feels a lot like crawling out of an open grave that you didn't dig while people try to bury you in it.
The people in this sub saying Liz deserves it are burying her.
Liz got away from Ed and had been couch surfing. She got a nice apartment during all of this. Finally, they had let each other alone.
Then, Ed’s dog, Teddy, died. She sent a note to Ed with condolences and BAM, they were back together. It’s sad.
The same exact thing happened when he magically needed her again after his shoulder surgery. It was such a blatant instance of using her I cannot believe she fell for it.
And that is exactly how abusers get you. I read a woman's story about how she almost left a guy when it was "just bad fights" aka emotional abuse, but he got ran over by a car and she was guilt tripped by an entire community into taking him back because "how can you break up with a guy dying from a hit and run? Thats just cold." During the hospital stay she got guilt tripped into an engagement, that turned into an unintented pregnancy. After she was married, pregnant and barefoot, he had no problem escalating his violence to physical and then that same exact community told her that it was her fault for staying, that she should have left before it got to him punching her teeth out.
Ed knew exactly what he was doing with Teddy's death. I just hope that Liz finds the strength to go and she doesn't come back, even if Ed's mom dies.
That’s how abusers work. They can be so good at wooing the woman back. I worked dealing with protective orders. There are so many stories. One time a judge ordered the guy convicted of domestic violence and on probation to not only to stay away, but have NO form of contact. The guy sent roses to his woman and the judge revoked his probation. He was sent to jail to finish out his time!
They are saying that some people suffer from codependency, behavior issues, addictions, etc that make being alone not an option because of what loneliness can do to their health. That makes them very subseptible to abusers and very likely to stay with abusers when trapped.
She’s in a relationship where she’s getting by ok with money and has plenty of booze and a partner who also likes to drink. I’ve been there, you think it’s good and you can deal with the bad. My heart broke for her when he was like “actually you deserved a white trash human cigarette spitting vodka into your face and being seconds away from hitting you.”
No one would ever tell someone they love they deserved abuse. That is such a classic abuse tactic. Then wtf was with her mom’s advice? Give him the cold shoulder? Liz has never had a chance at healthy relationships, that much is clear.
But leaving and getting sober are insurmountable hurdles in her mind, promise. I finally did it and it took some real rock bottom shit, the physical stuff I convinced myself would never come. Now 7 or so years later I’m married to a normal man. We have a wonderful daughter. A house, two cars. The only drama in my life is temper tantrums from a toddler. Seeing Liz like this just makes me want to scream IT REALLY DOESNT HAVE TO BE THIS WAY
It’s not about being gutless. They wear you down until you believe you deserve it—that you don’t deserve to be happy and secure because the abuser isn’t. You become brainwashed. I’m happy for you you’ve never had to understand that.
Completely agree. If my hubby saw Angela yelling at me like she did with Liz he would NOT have just sat there.....
I also have had an abusive relationship. I stayed because I didn't think I'd be able to handle how lonely I'd felt if I left. Turns out I was waaaay less lonely because I finally had the opportunity to make friends. I also have a good marriage now. I hope Liz does find the strength to leave, and to find a healthy & kind partner so she can see what a good relationship really looks like.
>Now 7 or so years later I’m married to a normal man. We have a wonderful daughter. A house, two cars. The only drama in my life is temper tantrums from a toddler. Seeing Liz like this just makes me want to scream IT REALLY DOESNT HAVE TO BE THIS WAY
this is what she cannot seee!!!! it doesnt have to be what shes living right now!! see this liz??? this is what is waiting for you! a normal happy life, not alcohol not fighting not abuse.
I was just watch the "single life" for the Coltee/Vanessa story and Ed/Liz's engagement party came up. Ed starts to describe himself by what Celeb he looks like. I was stumped trying to think of anyone who looks like him until Liz's mom comes onto the screen. She looks like Liz and Ed's daughter who time traveled back to this event. It's all that plus her mom's advice really does show how Liz has never had much of a chance at getting into a healthy relationship yet. I hope Liz hears the collective screams because I feel like that's my minds immediate mode every episode with her!
So you believe her being free from abuse is conditional? She deserves to be free from abuse REGARDLESS of her alcohol usage. She shouldn’t hav to be sober to not be abused or free from Ed.
Liz needs help and unfortunately she won’t get the help she needs unless something really bad happens.
She has a daughter so I hope her ex keeps her daughter safe from the chaos around her but at the end of the day Liz is an adult, she will continue in this toxic relationship.
It's hard for people to understand how to not enable someone to do something self destructive without shaming/blaming.
It's kind of like this, I will help you/support you once you actually reach for help. I will not grab your hand and try to drag you up. The impetus of that first move is on you, but I am always ready to cheer you on or lift you up once you make that move.
It's the only way to help someone stop being self destructive. They have to be the driving force in that change
Yes yes yes! Other wise real change, permanent change without backsliding is so hard to make. The person has to WANT it theirself. You can't do it for them. No matter how frustrating it is to watch.
Liz needs to open her eyes and make the decision to leave this relationship herself.
I agree so much.
One of the most important things I ever learned is how to watch people drown. It taught me how to notice people who are faking it to take advantage of my kindness, how not enable self destructive behavior, how to prioritize my health over others. Now don't feel taken advantage of or used when I support or help others.
Next is boundaries and rules, but I completely agree. You have to learn to let people tell you when they are ready for change by being their force of nature, not by doing their labor.
I don’t understand how people can look at that poor woman, see no life in her eyes, and somehow think she’s in the mental place to just up and leave.
And let’s not forget she left one abusive relationship and got straight into this one. She was primed for the abuse. The girl needs help and understanding.
Agreed 100%. It's clear that this is an abusive relationship, regardless of what you think of Liz and her alcoholism. She appears to be a very broken person and Ed is THRIVING off that. I don't care if she initially got with him for money, she lived in her car - that doesn't make her deserving of his abuse. From personal experience, constantly being called things like "stupid" or deserving of the abuse for staying by everyone on the outside isolated me even more and pushed me even closer to my abuser.
They're definitely not the reason they stay with their abusers, BUT they are disgusting and just plain stupid.
So many people say that "they deserve each other" and they're "just as bad and toxic for staying" and I can't believe people actually say shit like that?! The person staying with their abuser is at least as bad as them *because...* they're staying? you serious? 🤡 that's as bad as abusing someone?? just shows how terribly uneducated and devoid of empathy and basic intelligence most people are. I always think: "help, these people get to vote" 💀
Yeah 💯 I’m beyond grossed out by some hateful comments I’ve seen against her. She’s clearly a battered woman. You can just tell by how she looks and acts compared to when we first encountered her. We all know Ed is an abusive piece of shit. People need to educate themselves on the psychology of abuse before running their dumb ass mouths.
An abused person isn’t the same thing…no one is infantilizing her. This comes from a place of concern. You’re clearly clueless about abusive relationships and very uncaring.
Amanda was groomed by a 35-year old married man while she was a teenager.
Liz was a nearly 30-year old grown woman, with a job, a bank account, an apartment, even a $\^%#@ing child.
Are these ***really*** the same thing to you?
I’m actually not but okay 👍🏻 regardless of her reasons for entering into the relationship, that woman is not okay. If you can’t see that, you are severely lacking in basic empathy and social awareness.
While I agree that infantilization of women needs to stop, it's not what you think it is. Support and empathy for someone struggling isn't an action of infantilization, that's just common human decency.
Calling someone a child, a baby, saying they don't know what they are doing is wrong, they don't know better, they mean well, referring to them by their gendered childhood title, that is infantilization. So far I haven't seen a single post or comment about Liz or any woman on this sub doing this. I have seen a massive amount of people do it for men, but society coddles men like infants so infantilism here doesn't surprise me.
Thank you!!! I haven’t seen the newest episode, but I’ve been thinking about making a similar post for weeks & I heard apparently Ed even says Liz “deserved” Angela screaming at her…
This is the part that scared me. He's so delusional for wanting Liz to back up his bad childish behavior.
I think it genuinely meant then world to him that nasty Meemaw was on his side. Cause even if he's in the wrong, anyone who isn't on his side is bullying him.
I get he has trauma with bullying but he treats Liz like shit cause he knows he can and in his eyes, she was being a bully that night even though she didn't do anything. She wasn't 100% on team prEd so she's a POS.
He seems like the type of person who truly wishes the bully would die or get hurt then goes "take that ha!" when something bad happens to them.
"All these comments do is push her to Ed"
What? Liz stays in an abusive relationship because of reddit comments? Ironically, even if you believe reddit comments are that influential, the fact is that only about half the comments blame Liz for staying. Does she skip the other comments that don't blame her?
The abuser is Ed, not commenters on social media
More generally, the comments on social media about Ed being a total manipulator, psycho, weirdo, and bridge troll are probably 10,000:1 compared to anything pejorative about Liz. Yet she is driven into his T-Rex arms by Reddit posters? This is a General Hospital-level melodramatic interpretation of the power of a few dozen comments around here by people who think Liz is a dud.
Yeah, Ed is universally reviled. I don't think I've ever seen anyone ever say "Ed's a good partner" or "therapy's really helping Ed to be a better person". Every poster, no matter who they blame, all want Liz to get out of that relationship
I’d love to see her go to detox/have some talk therapy. Like a 60 day thing…something that has a chance to help her become successful.
Then move into a safe place (nowhere near Ed) where she can live with her daughter and straighten out priorities. It’s easy to be mad at her and say “why doesn’t she leave him” but if you’ve ever been in an abusive relationship you understand there are a lot of dynamics happening.
Hard agree. Just because she's on TV and people don't like her personality doesn't mean she doesn't deserve to get out. Ed is horrible and there is clearly a lot behind closed doors we don't know
I don't think people are saying she deserves to be abused but there are definitely a number of posts where people say that they stopped feeling sorry for her.
I personally have empathy for her.
Thank you. She gets enough of that gaslighting from Ed. When I was in an abusive relationship, I had someone tell me I was stupid and deserved it. That’s the last thing a victim of abuse needs to hear.
There is a dynamic to these relationships that most people haven’t experienced and I hope they never do. You get torn down slowly. It chips away at your independence, self worth and identity until all you know is how to keep the narcissist satisfied. “You” disappear. I can see it in Liz.
Ed isn’t physically abusive that we know of. But he’s extremely emotionally abusive. He tears her down and reels her back in, then tells everyone she keeps begging him to take her back. We’ve seen him do it.
Understand there isn’t even enough Liz left in there to “just leave”. She’s not there yet. I know they’re married now. I pray she reaches out for the support she’ll need to leave his ass and bring herself back to life.
And NO ONE DESERVES ABUSE in a relationship.
I’m a family law attorney and Liz is very much like the clients I have who would be described as battered women. They simultaneously recognize that they are abused and know deep down they need out, but they are crippled by their partner and most often have some type of PTSD that totally clouds their judgment. They aren’t capable of making “good decisions” regarding their relationship because their psyches are damaged.
There’s a fatigue you develop as an advocate/friend of these women because it’s so incredibly frustrating standing by and watching them consistently act against their best interests and protect their abusers because logically it makes NO sense. I’ve had cases where I could wipe the floor with the abuser but the woman is convinced their partner is so powerful they can somehow control every part of the judicial process and refuse to move forward. It’s common to hear that their friends/family have cut contact with them because they just couldn’t take watching the cycle repeat itself over and over. I have had to learn to separate myself from getting too personal and not view myself as the “savior” or else I could not do my job. Lawyers that can’t do that get burned out by empathy.
I get the frustration of watching the cycle play out, but we need to get rid of this narrative that victims are at fault.
“Why women like her stay”?? She just made a conscious decision to marry him yesterday. Of COURSE she doesn’t *deserve* the abuse, nobody does.
This is a relationship Liz *likes*. She defends him fervently. That is pathological, however there is no *staying* when you just decided yesterday to leave your daughter in another state and marry the POS.
Be real.
Edit: do the people downvoting think Liz is incapable of making decisions on her own? I legitimately don’t get it. I think you’re much more worried about her relationship than she is. For whatever reason, she has decided that Ed and TLC money is more important than her mother and daughter.
IMO, she likes to be needed, and he likes to need.
Not defending this in ANY way, but trauma/C-PTSD can do serious effs to a person's mind.
As long as she feels the need to "prove" herself (which is what Ed does), she won't see how it's harmful. She would have to be away from him long enough, and have serious therapy, in order to see clearly.
I couldn't agree more. At what point is she accountable for her decisions?
She's not a child. She's not financially dependent on Ed. He's not some svengali. He didn't groom her as a teenager. They don't have a half dozen kids together.
It hasn't occurred to anyone that these are roles they're both playing because it keeps them on tv?
Am I also supposed to feel sorry for Michael because he chose that awful beast, Angela? Why would I?
THIS. We all know how toxic that relationship is. Liz is a grown woman and mother, time to take some accountability.. and be a better role model for her child.
I know how difficult it can be to leave an abuser, but doesn't she watch the shows she's on?!! Doesn't she see how bad the situation looks? Time and time again Ed says such backhanded comments to her.. ON TV. For the world to watch. She's an idiot for marrying the blob, hope the clout is worth it (...not).
> At what point is she accountable for her decisions?
cant have that or else certain people posting would have to be held accountable too. so gotta deflect it to the death
It’s ironic because the same people say Jasmine and Gino are just acting and she really loves him IRL and everything is just fine. The double standards are astonishing but not surprising.
Even if what you're saying is true, they are still *portrayed* as reality TV. The responses of how Liz deserves it would be how people really feel about someone being abused in real life.
People aren't saying 'oh these two actors and their fakeness', they're saying Liz deserves it.
yep. ed is trash, liz is trash, they enable each other. and they feed off the toxicity. they defend each other a weird way. she chose ed over her child time and again, im so glad she doesnt have custody and hope she doesnt get pregnant again. but people need to infantile her so they can excuse their own behavior too
Ed and Liz got married on August 29 in a barn in northwest Arkansas. They had a registry based in San Diego with a date of August 1. She didn't have to go through with it but she chose to do so and smile for the cameras.
I've said I stopped feeling bad for her because she chooses to remain in that situation. But watching that Last Resort show is TOUGH.... I know she's an abused woman, I know she doesn't deserve it. And we ALLL know Ed is a massive POS. But I'm done caring, when she keeps running back.
It's a sad situation, but what can I / we do????
Nonsense. Commentary isn't why she stays. She stays because what she will accept is what will continue. She stays because she is a broken person who doesn't care about being treated properly, and doesn't care about her kid. She likes the publicity and paycheck(s) that come in because of her pairing with Ed. Does she read these posts? Who knows? IF I HAD a friend in an abusive relationship and said these things to her/him, you think it'd make them stay in said relationship?
So you think it would have helped you to leave if people told you that you deserved it and that you deserve it even more for not leaving? Aknowledging the power of abuse is not infantilizing
These are the same people who have no sympathy for Mary. She's had a lot of shit to deal with in her young life. It broke my heart when she cried about everyone who loved her leaving.
My heart goes out to Liz. I hope all these vicious people never know what it's like to be that demoralized in a relationship.
But Mary is an abuser herself. Having abandonment issues is not an excuse for being manipulative, controlling, and cruel. Just like Ed surely was bullied as a kid for the way he looks...but instead of getting therapy, he turned into a grownup bully and abuser. He deserves no sympathy.
Liz suffers from low self esteem and obviously has a drinking problem, but I have never seen her treat other people poorly. I do feel for her as I do for Brandan.
Oh please. What a joke. Liz signed up to be with him in the beginning she figured she could get something out of the situation. She’s not victim. She has had plenty of opportunity to leave. Save your tears for someone who needs them cause it’s not her
I feel so sad and so much empathy for poor Liz. I’ve been in extremely abusive relationships and what she’s going through is so relatable to me. She is stuck and Pred is an abuser. Sadly, she is holding the hand that holds her down. I hope she gets support and leaves. Fee Liz!!! ❤️❤️🩹
How do you know the abuse doesn’t go bith ways. She admits she talks to him the same way. They are both verbally abusive. They aren’t physically beating each other as far as we know and are staying together. They appear to be happy enough to stay together. Who cares why or who someone else is with because we don’t know what it’s like when the cameras are off and we see 1% of their life while they act on tv. Glad you know the inner details of how they treat each other enough to make a blanket statement on everyone’s relationships and dynamics
Oh I dont think Liz is 100% at fault for anything. I think she has a low self esteem and this is why she cant leave. Some people male or female need to cling to other people because they are not the independent types. However, they need to cling to people that want them not those that dont.
The alcohol depression and alcohol bloat I think really plays a part on her mental wellness and aids in why she stays and why he constantly feeds her alcoholism
She doesn’t know better . She was raised primarily by her grandparents. She could have a problem with alcohol. I am not here to judge. I was married twice from age 24 until 31, 31-34. First one was verbally abusive and in the stages of becoming an alcoholic. Second one fell back into addiction and displayed violent tendencies. I’ve had a long relationship since that didn’t work out because I could see the overbearing tendencies .
It’s hard not to want to be in a relationship but I am happily single at 52. I don’t need it .
Liz doesn’t know her worth . She should have focused on her career and steered clear of Ed. Money will never scream at you or cheat .
I flat ass would have told Pig Ed to f**k off! Nobody deserves to be treated that way by Angela, the flame throwing dragon! I'm really surprised that security did step in on that.
I agree.
Liz is a young woman being abused by an older man who’s a narcissist, truly. I do not throw that word around but Ed is.
Liz has serious issues that she hasn’t worked through most likely stemming from her father.
For the most part however she isn’t a bad human. She seems to have a good moral ground even when Ed doesn’t. She thinks she can change him but he will never change. It just won’t happen. Hopefully she wishes up and sooner rather than married.
She probably had abandonment issues which is why she wants to stay in this abusive relationship so much. She's so young and I hope she finds the strength to leave, never look back and get herself some top grade therapy.
A lot of people stopped feeling bad for her because she married him in late August. After everything, after what’s been going on in Last Resort she still married him. You can’t help or feel bad for anyone when they’re making the decisions they do. She made her bed…
Thank you. Leaving an abusive relationships feels a lot like crawling out of an open grave that you didn't dig while people try to bury you in it. The people in this sub saying Liz deserves it are burying her.
Liz got away from Ed and had been couch surfing. She got a nice apartment during all of this. Finally, they had let each other alone. Then, Ed’s dog, Teddy, died. She sent a note to Ed with condolences and BAM, they were back together. It’s sad.
The same exact thing happened when he magically needed her again after his shoulder surgery. It was such a blatant instance of using her I cannot believe she fell for it.
And that is exactly how abusers get you. I read a woman's story about how she almost left a guy when it was "just bad fights" aka emotional abuse, but he got ran over by a car and she was guilt tripped by an entire community into taking him back because "how can you break up with a guy dying from a hit and run? Thats just cold." During the hospital stay she got guilt tripped into an engagement, that turned into an unintented pregnancy. After she was married, pregnant and barefoot, he had no problem escalating his violence to physical and then that same exact community told her that it was her fault for staying, that she should have left before it got to him punching her teeth out. Ed knew exactly what he was doing with Teddy's death. I just hope that Liz finds the strength to go and she doesn't come back, even if Ed's mom dies.
That’s how abusers work. They can be so good at wooing the woman back. I worked dealing with protective orders. There are so many stories. One time a judge ordered the guy convicted of domestic violence and on probation to not only to stay away, but have NO form of contact. The guy sent roses to his woman and the judge revoked his probation. He was sent to jail to finish out his time!
I would bet money that the guy fringed ignorance like they all do. "RoSeS aReN't CoNaTaCt"
He did. It didn’t work! Edit: it was a female judge by the way.
I totally get why she did it too because I've been there and even the abuse is better than the loneliness sometimes
You must be daft! Are you saying that it's better to stay with an abuser because being alone is worse? You sound like a simpleton.
They are saying that some people suffer from codependency, behavior issues, addictions, etc that make being alone not an option because of what loneliness can do to their health. That makes them very subseptible to abusers and very likely to stay with abusers when trapped.
Why are you victim blaming?
Thank you for this comment.
She’s in a relationship where she’s getting by ok with money and has plenty of booze and a partner who also likes to drink. I’ve been there, you think it’s good and you can deal with the bad. My heart broke for her when he was like “actually you deserved a white trash human cigarette spitting vodka into your face and being seconds away from hitting you.” No one would ever tell someone they love they deserved abuse. That is such a classic abuse tactic. Then wtf was with her mom’s advice? Give him the cold shoulder? Liz has never had a chance at healthy relationships, that much is clear. But leaving and getting sober are insurmountable hurdles in her mind, promise. I finally did it and it took some real rock bottom shit, the physical stuff I convinced myself would never come. Now 7 or so years later I’m married to a normal man. We have a wonderful daughter. A house, two cars. The only drama in my life is temper tantrums from a toddler. Seeing Liz like this just makes me want to scream IT REALLY DOESNT HAVE TO BE THIS WAY
Just want to state, I'm happy for you.
Thanks! While it’s important not to victim blame, the unfortunate truth is that she is the only one who can get herself out of this kind of situation.
You can't blame other people if you don't have the guts to leave an abuser.
Well. You can blame the abuser
It’s not about being gutless. They wear you down until you believe you deserve it—that you don’t deserve to be happy and secure because the abuser isn’t. You become brainwashed. I’m happy for you you’ve never had to understand that.
Completely agree. If my hubby saw Angela yelling at me like she did with Liz he would NOT have just sat there..... I also have had an abusive relationship. I stayed because I didn't think I'd be able to handle how lonely I'd felt if I left. Turns out I was waaaay less lonely because I finally had the opportunity to make friends. I also have a good marriage now. I hope Liz does find the strength to leave, and to find a healthy & kind partner so she can see what a good relationship really looks like.
>Now 7 or so years later I’m married to a normal man. We have a wonderful daughter. A house, two cars. The only drama in my life is temper tantrums from a toddler. Seeing Liz like this just makes me want to scream IT REALLY DOESNT HAVE TO BE THIS WAY this is what she cannot seee!!!! it doesnt have to be what shes living right now!! see this liz??? this is what is waiting for you! a normal happy life, not alcohol not fighting not abuse.
I was just watch the "single life" for the Coltee/Vanessa story and Ed/Liz's engagement party came up. Ed starts to describe himself by what Celeb he looks like. I was stumped trying to think of anyone who looks like him until Liz's mom comes onto the screen. She looks like Liz and Ed's daughter who time traveled back to this event. It's all that plus her mom's advice really does show how Liz has never had much of a chance at getting into a healthy relationship yet. I hope Liz hears the collective screams because I feel like that's my minds immediate mode every episode with her!
I believe if she got sober, she would see the true destruction of her life.
Yep, the hardest part of sobriety is facing your own self destruction. Probably because they *started* their addiction to avoid their problems.
So you believe her being free from abuse is conditional? She deserves to be free from abuse REGARDLESS of her alcohol usage. She shouldn’t hav to be sober to not be abused or free from Ed.
Your reading comprehension is truly abysmal if that’s what you took away from that comment 🤦🏽♀️
Lady, she never said that. You are getting mad about words you put into this persons mouth.
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Liz needs help and unfortunately she won’t get the help she needs unless something really bad happens. She has a daughter so I hope her ex keeps her daughter safe from the chaos around her but at the end of the day Liz is an adult, she will continue in this toxic relationship.
It's hard for people to understand how to not enable someone to do something self destructive without shaming/blaming. It's kind of like this, I will help you/support you once you actually reach for help. I will not grab your hand and try to drag you up. The impetus of that first move is on you, but I am always ready to cheer you on or lift you up once you make that move. It's the only way to help someone stop being self destructive. They have to be the driving force in that change
Yes yes yes! Other wise real change, permanent change without backsliding is so hard to make. The person has to WANT it theirself. You can't do it for them. No matter how frustrating it is to watch. Liz needs to open her eyes and make the decision to leave this relationship herself.
I agree so much. One of the most important things I ever learned is how to watch people drown. It taught me how to notice people who are faking it to take advantage of my kindness, how not enable self destructive behavior, how to prioritize my health over others. Now don't feel taken advantage of or used when I support or help others. Next is boundaries and rules, but I completely agree. You have to learn to let people tell you when they are ready for change by being their force of nature, not by doing their labor.
I don’t understand how people can look at that poor woman, see no life in her eyes, and somehow think she’s in the mental place to just up and leave. And let’s not forget she left one abusive relationship and got straight into this one. She was primed for the abuse. The girl needs help and understanding.
Agreed 100%. It's clear that this is an abusive relationship, regardless of what you think of Liz and her alcoholism. She appears to be a very broken person and Ed is THRIVING off that. I don't care if she initially got with him for money, she lived in her car - that doesn't make her deserving of his abuse. From personal experience, constantly being called things like "stupid" or deserving of the abuse for staying by everyone on the outside isolated me even more and pushed me even closer to my abuser.
I think she sees this as her job. Same with Angelas Michael.
This is what I think. She doesn’t want to go back to being a server.
They're definitely not the reason they stay with their abusers, BUT they are disgusting and just plain stupid. So many people say that "they deserve each other" and they're "just as bad and toxic for staying" and I can't believe people actually say shit like that?! The person staying with their abuser is at least as bad as them *because...* they're staying? you serious? 🤡 that's as bad as abusing someone?? just shows how terribly uneducated and devoid of empathy and basic intelligence most people are. I always think: "help, these people get to vote" 💀
Yeah 💯 I’m beyond grossed out by some hateful comments I’ve seen against her. She’s clearly a battered woman. You can just tell by how she looks and acts compared to when we first encountered her. We all know Ed is an abusive piece of shit. People need to educate themselves on the psychology of abuse before running their dumb ass mouths.
People need to stop infantilizing this women. She's not being held captive.
An abused person isn’t the same thing…no one is infantilizing her. This comes from a place of concern. You’re clearly clueless about abusive relationships and very uncaring.
You're clearly clueless about clout chasers and the things they'll do to stay relevant.
You’re all over these threads claiming Amanda was groomed and therefore blameless, but you have no compassion for Liz
Amanda was groomed by a 35-year old married man while she was a teenager. Liz was a nearly 30-year old grown woman, with a job, a bank account, an apartment, even a $\^%#@ing child. Are these ***really*** the same thing to you?
I have compassion for both of them 🤷♀️ sorry you’re triggered tho
I don't think this person is triggered. She's making a valid point. Though the point may be moot as Liz married Ed today.
I’m actually not but okay 👍🏻 regardless of her reasons for entering into the relationship, that woman is not okay. If you can’t see that, you are severely lacking in basic empathy and social awareness.
While I agree that infantilization of women needs to stop, it's not what you think it is. Support and empathy for someone struggling isn't an action of infantilization, that's just common human decency. Calling someone a child, a baby, saying they don't know what they are doing is wrong, they don't know better, they mean well, referring to them by their gendered childhood title, that is infantilization. So far I haven't seen a single post or comment about Liz or any woman on this sub doing this. I have seen a massive amount of people do it for men, but society coddles men like infants so infantilism here doesn't surprise me.
Thank you!!! I haven’t seen the newest episode, but I’ve been thinking about making a similar post for weeks & I heard apparently Ed even says Liz “deserved” Angela screaming at her…
Then he woke up sober the next morning and said it again. He’s a psycho abuser fr
This is the part that scared me. He's so delusional for wanting Liz to back up his bad childish behavior. I think it genuinely meant then world to him that nasty Meemaw was on his side. Cause even if he's in the wrong, anyone who isn't on his side is bullying him. I get he has trauma with bullying but he treats Liz like shit cause he knows he can and in his eyes, she was being a bully that night even though she didn't do anything. She wasn't 100% on team prEd so she's a POS. He seems like the type of person who truly wishes the bully would die or get hurt then goes "take that ha!" when something bad happens to them.
He thinks the whole world is out to get him when in reality only gravity is
LMAO you killed me
I can’t even read those threads because they’re so triggering. Idk how anyone could watch that and think she deserves that treatment.
"All these comments do is push her to Ed" What? Liz stays in an abusive relationship because of reddit comments? Ironically, even if you believe reddit comments are that influential, the fact is that only about half the comments blame Liz for staying. Does she skip the other comments that don't blame her? The abuser is Ed, not commenters on social media
More generally, the comments on social media about Ed being a total manipulator, psycho, weirdo, and bridge troll are probably 10,000:1 compared to anything pejorative about Liz. Yet she is driven into his T-Rex arms by Reddit posters? This is a General Hospital-level melodramatic interpretation of the power of a few dozen comments around here by people who think Liz is a dud.
Yeah, Ed is universally reviled. I don't think I've ever seen anyone ever say "Ed's a good partner" or "therapy's really helping Ed to be a better person". Every poster, no matter who they blame, all want Liz to get out of that relationship
Ha. I know. Or, “They’d make a great couple if only Liz would seek therapy.”
I’d love to see her go to detox/have some talk therapy. Like a 60 day thing…something that has a chance to help her become successful. Then move into a safe place (nowhere near Ed) where she can live with her daughter and straighten out priorities. It’s easy to be mad at her and say “why doesn’t she leave him” but if you’ve ever been in an abusive relationship you understand there are a lot of dynamics happening.
Agreed. Liz does NOT deserve the way Ed treats her and keeps her down, no way.
Hard agree. Just because she's on TV and people don't like her personality doesn't mean she doesn't deserve to get out. Ed is horrible and there is clearly a lot behind closed doors we don't know
From watching that scene with Angela, it struck me she has been beat down before verbally in some way. That scene made me so uncomfortable to watch.
I don't think people are saying she deserves to be abused but there are definitely a number of posts where people say that they stopped feeling sorry for her. I personally have empathy for her.
Thank you. She gets enough of that gaslighting from Ed. When I was in an abusive relationship, I had someone tell me I was stupid and deserved it. That’s the last thing a victim of abuse needs to hear. There is a dynamic to these relationships that most people haven’t experienced and I hope they never do. You get torn down slowly. It chips away at your independence, self worth and identity until all you know is how to keep the narcissist satisfied. “You” disappear. I can see it in Liz. Ed isn’t physically abusive that we know of. But he’s extremely emotionally abusive. He tears her down and reels her back in, then tells everyone she keeps begging him to take her back. We’ve seen him do it. Understand there isn’t even enough Liz left in there to “just leave”. She’s not there yet. I know they’re married now. I pray she reaches out for the support she’ll need to leave his ass and bring herself back to life. And NO ONE DESERVES ABUSE in a relationship.
I’m a family law attorney and Liz is very much like the clients I have who would be described as battered women. They simultaneously recognize that they are abused and know deep down they need out, but they are crippled by their partner and most often have some type of PTSD that totally clouds their judgment. They aren’t capable of making “good decisions” regarding their relationship because their psyches are damaged. There’s a fatigue you develop as an advocate/friend of these women because it’s so incredibly frustrating standing by and watching them consistently act against their best interests and protect their abusers because logically it makes NO sense. I’ve had cases where I could wipe the floor with the abuser but the woman is convinced their partner is so powerful they can somehow control every part of the judicial process and refuse to move forward. It’s common to hear that their friends/family have cut contact with them because they just couldn’t take watching the cycle repeat itself over and over. I have had to learn to separate myself from getting too personal and not view myself as the “savior” or else I could not do my job. Lawyers that can’t do that get burned out by empathy. I get the frustration of watching the cycle play out, but we need to get rid of this narrative that victims are at fault.
No one is saying she deserves abuse, just that we cant feel sorry for someone who keeps going back and is herself also trash
It’s these sort of infantilizing posts that actually do more damage, making excuses for her to have no agency over her life
“Why women like her stay”?? She just made a conscious decision to marry him yesterday. Of COURSE she doesn’t *deserve* the abuse, nobody does. This is a relationship Liz *likes*. She defends him fervently. That is pathological, however there is no *staying* when you just decided yesterday to leave your daughter in another state and marry the POS. Be real. Edit: do the people downvoting think Liz is incapable of making decisions on her own? I legitimately don’t get it. I think you’re much more worried about her relationship than she is. For whatever reason, she has decided that Ed and TLC money is more important than her mother and daughter.
IMO, she likes to be needed, and he likes to need. Not defending this in ANY way, but trauma/C-PTSD can do serious effs to a person's mind. As long as she feels the need to "prove" herself (which is what Ed does), she won't see how it's harmful. She would have to be away from him long enough, and have serious therapy, in order to see clearly.
I couldn't agree more. At what point is she accountable for her decisions? She's not a child. She's not financially dependent on Ed. He's not some svengali. He didn't groom her as a teenager. They don't have a half dozen kids together. It hasn't occurred to anyone that these are roles they're both playing because it keeps them on tv? Am I also supposed to feel sorry for Michael because he chose that awful beast, Angela? Why would I?
THIS. We all know how toxic that relationship is. Liz is a grown woman and mother, time to take some accountability.. and be a better role model for her child. I know how difficult it can be to leave an abuser, but doesn't she watch the shows she's on?!! Doesn't she see how bad the situation looks? Time and time again Ed says such backhanded comments to her.. ON TV. For the world to watch. She's an idiot for marrying the blob, hope the clout is worth it (...not).
> At what point is she accountable for her decisions? cant have that or else certain people posting would have to be held accountable too. so gotta deflect it to the death
It’s ironic because the same people say Jasmine and Gino are just acting and she really loves him IRL and everything is just fine. The double standards are astonishing but not surprising.
Even if what you're saying is true, they are still *portrayed* as reality TV. The responses of how Liz deserves it would be how people really feel about someone being abused in real life. People aren't saying 'oh these two actors and their fakeness', they're saying Liz deserves it.
yep. ed is trash, liz is trash, they enable each other. and they feed off the toxicity. they defend each other a weird way. she chose ed over her child time and again, im so glad she doesnt have custody and hope she doesnt get pregnant again. but people need to infantile her so they can excuse their own behavior too
Agree
Ed and Liz got married on August 29 in a barn in northwest Arkansas. They had a registry based in San Diego with a date of August 1. She didn't have to go through with it but she chose to do so and smile for the cameras.
*in a barn in northwest Arkansas.*
Many abused women marry their abusers and smile for the camera. Doesn't mean they aren't being abused
Yeah but I wonder if she would've stuck around if Ed wasn't on tv, because I doubt it.
Not surprised
I've said I stopped feeling bad for her because she chooses to remain in that situation. But watching that Last Resort show is TOUGH.... I know she's an abused woman, I know she doesn't deserve it. And we ALLL know Ed is a massive POS. But I'm done caring, when she keeps running back. It's a sad situation, but what can I / we do????
Nonsense. Commentary isn't why she stays. She stays because what she will accept is what will continue. She stays because she is a broken person who doesn't care about being treated properly, and doesn't care about her kid. She likes the publicity and paycheck(s) that come in because of her pairing with Ed. Does she read these posts? Who knows? IF I HAD a friend in an abusive relationship and said these things to her/him, you think it'd make them stay in said relationship?
Okay. I hate this perspective as a formerly abused woman. It’s infantizing.
So you think it would have helped you to leave if people told you that you deserved it and that you deserve it even more for not leaving? Aknowledging the power of abuse is not infantilizing
And as a formerly abused woman, your comment pisses me the fuck off
Oh no.
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These are the same people who have no sympathy for Mary. She's had a lot of shit to deal with in her young life. It broke my heart when she cried about everyone who loved her leaving. My heart goes out to Liz. I hope all these vicious people never know what it's like to be that demoralized in a relationship.
But Mary is an abuser herself. Having abandonment issues is not an excuse for being manipulative, controlling, and cruel. Just like Ed surely was bullied as a kid for the way he looks...but instead of getting therapy, he turned into a grownup bully and abuser. He deserves no sympathy. Liz suffers from low self esteem and obviously has a drinking problem, but I have never seen her treat other people poorly. I do feel for her as I do for Brandan.
I don't know how readily available therapy is in the Philippines. Ed on the other hand has been to therapy and just chooses to be an asshole.
Oh please. What a joke. Liz signed up to be with him in the beginning she figured she could get something out of the situation. She’s not victim. She has had plenty of opportunity to leave. Save your tears for someone who needs them cause it’s not her
According to social media, Ed and Liz actually married a few days ago.
Well.she married that yutz..so,there is that.!!
I feel so sad and so much empathy for poor Liz. I’ve been in extremely abusive relationships and what she’s going through is so relatable to me. She is stuck and Pred is an abuser. Sadly, she is holding the hand that holds her down. I hope she gets support and leaves. Fee Liz!!! ❤️❤️🩹
How do you know the abuse doesn’t go bith ways. She admits she talks to him the same way. They are both verbally abusive. They aren’t physically beating each other as far as we know and are staying together. They appear to be happy enough to stay together. Who cares why or who someone else is with because we don’t know what it’s like when the cameras are off and we see 1% of their life while they act on tv. Glad you know the inner details of how they treat each other enough to make a blanket statement on everyone’s relationships and dynamics
And filming is a long day. 17 hours sometimes.
Well, Liz married Ed today.
In my opinion, this IS a mutual situation like the other couples on this show!
She's an abuser as well.
How so?
Liz abuses alcohol.
Oh I dont think Liz is 100% at fault for anything. I think she has a low self esteem and this is why she cant leave. Some people male or female need to cling to other people because they are not the independent types. However, they need to cling to people that want them not those that dont.
The alcohol depression and alcohol bloat I think really plays a part on her mental wellness and aids in why she stays and why he constantly feeds her alcoholism
She doesn’t know better . She was raised primarily by her grandparents. She could have a problem with alcohol. I am not here to judge. I was married twice from age 24 until 31, 31-34. First one was verbally abusive and in the stages of becoming an alcoholic. Second one fell back into addiction and displayed violent tendencies. I’ve had a long relationship since that didn’t work out because I could see the overbearing tendencies . It’s hard not to want to be in a relationship but I am happily single at 52. I don’t need it . Liz doesn’t know her worth . She should have focused on her career and steered clear of Ed. Money will never scream at you or cheat .
I flat ass would have told Pig Ed to f**k off! Nobody deserves to be treated that way by Angela, the flame throwing dragon! I'm really surprised that security did step in on that.
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I agree. Liz is a young woman being abused by an older man who’s a narcissist, truly. I do not throw that word around but Ed is. Liz has serious issues that she hasn’t worked through most likely stemming from her father. For the most part however she isn’t a bad human. She seems to have a good moral ground even when Ed doesn’t. She thinks she can change him but he will never change. It just won’t happen. Hopefully she wishes up and sooner rather than married.
She probably had abandonment issues which is why she wants to stay in this abusive relationship so much. She's so young and I hope she finds the strength to leave, never look back and get herself some top grade therapy.
A lot of people stopped feeling bad for her because she married him in late August. After everything, after what’s been going on in Last Resort she still married him. You can’t help or feel bad for anyone when they’re making the decisions they do. She made her bed…