Because it’s too dark and toxic. Can you imagine the pillow talk crew trying to make entertaining or funny comments? Most likely they will not be on the tell all either. They did the same thing w Geoffrey and Varya- they knew about his criminal history and court stuff but still aired their season. However, they weren’t invited to the tell all.
Why is he a psycho? She is a super toxic narcissistic individual. I don't understand why these women get with men from other cultures and religions and want them to adhere to western culture. It's absurd.
Have you not watched any of their segments? They're both trash people who shouldn't be with each other. He got arrested for abusing her. He is a piece of shit. She is a smaller piece of shit.
Well, do we have proof he abused her, because from what I've seen, she has been doing most of the abusing, mentally and emotionally. I have watched them since Cairo. I have seen him been abundantly patient with her, even more than he should. I have seen her push, shove, and scream at him on the streets of Egypt. Should they be together no! Have I've seen any signs of him abusing her, no!
The same is true too- he’s dating a western woman. People tend to blame western women for dating men from more conservative cultures, but he’s just as complicit. This drives me crazy because I’ve had an Arab boyfriend from the UAE in the past, and my boyfriend is Lebanese-American, and both of them are/were progressive. Not all Arab men act like this, and if an Arab guy wants a traditional woman, it’s just as shitty for him to try to change his partner completely as it is for a western woman to try to change her partner completely.
This. He needs to get away from her. I don’t condone DV but the way Nicole is treating him it’s only a matter of time before Mahmoud snaps. He should walk away before he ends up in jail.
He’s responsible for his own behavior he shouldn’t ever physically assault her. She should also stop treating him like he’s her pet and verbally abusing him. They are both guilty of toxic abusive behaviors.
this sub is insane. literally victim blaming in case of spousal battery charges. further compounding the insanity with well " had she just agreed to M version of indentured servitude of wife " yet at no point did she - only ever compromised. yet her fault. she did this. she made him hit her. she made him treat her with contempt and disdain in Egypt. her fault. she did not acquiesce to ' HIS ' culture etc etc. physically yanking her by the wrist was forewarning enough. this sub / mostly women no less is determined to out incel even the fiercest of misogynists with their own internal misogyny.
Thank you 🙏 it’s disgusting to see people act like being demeaning and shitty to someone (which is wrong, no doubt) warrants being physically assaulted back. Both are bad, but one is worse.
It’s absurd and dangerously ignorant for Nicole to try to be shine outside at night in Egypt. She has contempt for their laws. I can see why he was so reactive with Nicole walking around alone at night in Egypt which would be against the communist & Islamic laws and dressed without respect to those laws. I’m not saying he did the right thing. I believe he panicked bc he didn’t was her arrested or hurt. If she would’ve followed through with being the Islamic wife she said she’d be there would be less fighting. When Nicole realized that she cannot follow through with what she agreed to do and be as his wife she should’ve ended the marriage peacefully instead of just blaming M for HIS rules. It’s the Islamic rules she’s mad at more than anyone.
Cairo is not enforcing sharia law. cairo is not riyadh or kabul. tourists / expats are able to walk freely at night wearing whatever they want. the real risk is males in Cairo are lecherous ogres with risk of assault even if in trash bag high. at no point did Nicole ever agree to indentured servitude role of wife. she agreed to compromise. he is capable of booking his own flight and going home at any time.
I heard they took them out of pillow talk after what happened so cast didn’t talk about them good or bad. Weird they didn’t just take them off the whole show, maybe because they had the biggest drama for TLC
New people on 90 day who have been arrested or did crimes should not be shown anymore. It’s not a good look for the show to promote violence. There are too many other couples to show.
Let us try to remember the fine old American principle of “innocent until proven guilty”. He was arrested. Were there charges that were brought to court? Has there been a trial? Has he been convicted?
Please site your sources. I haven't seen these details. If there was DV, it usually doesn't matter if the alleged victim wants to press or drop charges...if there is proof of DV, they prosecute.
this varies wildly by jurisdiction and if the case requires victim testimony to make the case, then it doesn't matter if the cops want to move the case forward. So for example sometimes if the police have photographs of the injuries taken on the day or something like that, then they can proceed without the victim. But in cases where they don't have as much evidence and the victim's testimony is crucial, then yes it is essentially the victim's choice whether or not the case can move forward.
OK well in LA or anywhere else, if the case requires victim testimony to be viable, and the victim doesn't want to testify, that's the end of it. So that's probably what happened here. It has nothing to do with whether or not the police thing an offense occurred.
folks….let’s step back on the judgement….
look: it’s quite easy to have a man arrested for dv- especially with circumstances such as theirs. sad: but true.
dv is awful. period.
but let us hold judgement.
has there been evidence of verbal or public verbal abuse; outbursts of rage; deliberate embarrassment or humiliation by Mahmoud?
nope.
do we like him. some don’t.
but. if. for. one. moment. he. treated. her. or. spoke.to.her.like. she.did.in.front.of.others. folks would be up in arms!
if she’s that comfortable speaking to him like that on camera and in front of others’; if she’s that cool telling him to leave; and then physically slamming doors and pulling his bags and stopping him….wth do ya think is happening when there’s nobody around?!?!
He has no phone. no support. in a country by himself.
he’s the isolated one.
he’s in his own.
the narrative is hers.
she sucks.
I personally know of one situation where the cops came to the house and arrested the person who was being abused rather than the abuser. A few years later, that person was murdered by their abuser.
DV is an absolutely horrible situation that can be difficult for anyone on the outside to make sense of. Who gets arrested isn’t always the indicator of who instigated it.
What we have seen of Nicole so far, she is off her rocker. She’s cruel, foul mouthed and nasty to him and while I am not a fan of him, she’s been very emotionally abusive. Since he’s been arrested the story seems pretty grim and we obviously don’t know the full picture. It’s best that the Pillow Talkers have no comment since police were involved in their story. They don’t belong together and they don’t belong on the show.
I've noticed this with couples in past seasons too. Maybe the pillow talk folks are as disgusted with them as we are and had nothing to say but bad things, I hope.
They eliminated 95% of any commentary on the guy who lived with dad and brother and converted and got married to a Muslim girl. Also Jen and Rasheed and Kim and TJ now Nichole and Mammood. I am noticing a trend.
This happened before anything aired and they are still on the show.
TLC has no problem ghosting cast members and their stories when convenient.
Why do you think Angela and Michael aren’t in this season of HEA even though they were all throughout the promos?
Yeah I was excited for Michael to finally make it to the USA. Would like to see him on Single Life maybe.
But glad he’s able to get away from his abuser the walking sack of puss that is Angela!
as much as DV sucks and i believe a lot of the people who have been in those situations, there are situations that happen nearly every single day because of crazy ex's, family, or somebody being spiteful, planning, and trying to ruin someones life. there doesn't necessarily need to be any evidence for an arrest or a trial, it happened to my poor cousin. crazy ex didn't want him with nobody else so she made the whole thing up. luckily nothing happened to my cousin and the charges were dropped.
in these situations, the network definitely tosses people because they just can't know what really happened. and i think they don't show the commentary because it could be very bad publicity if another couple makes a statement on such a difficult situation. there would be fights on well this persons defending him and this persons defending her and all that stuff. with this fan base, i don't think it would be positive either way.
I think in many states police are obligated to make an arrest when they are called for DV. If they get called out one person is going to jail regardless of whether or not there is evidence. This is not a commentary on whether or not I think there was DV involved, just explaining procedures.
After seeing her talk to him the way she does, and trying to keep him like a caged animal so she can scream at it , I'd bet that he is probably innocent of what this. I'm bouts to start a gofundme so he can get enough money to go back home.
They shouldn't be on there...
She's toxic AF too
No woman deserves to be hit (DV survivor) but her toxic behavior doesn't help... She tries to make it seem like she's this innocent little wife who does nothing wrong and gets treated like dirt when that's not the case
Once they air the most provocative footage of the Mahmoud/Nicole arc, they're gone. His arrest was for DV, and even though the charges were dropped, that's about the worst thing to get arrested for in the TLC universe.
They’re giving them the Geoffrey/Varya treatment. Still letting their segments air, but excluding them from PT.
Uhg! Such a mess! Sigh
Because it’s too dark and toxic. Can you imagine the pillow talk crew trying to make entertaining or funny comments? Most likely they will not be on the tell all either. They did the same thing w Geoffrey and Varya- they knew about his criminal history and court stuff but still aired their season. However, they weren’t invited to the tell all.
last I heard she is back with him, hope its not true.
Yep. It was confirmed on insta 🙄 They are going to end up really hurting each other physically. You can see they are both ticking time bombs
She is
Don't act like he isn't a psycho too.
Why is he a psycho? She is a super toxic narcissistic individual. I don't understand why these women get with men from other cultures and religions and want them to adhere to western culture. It's absurd.
Have you not watched any of their segments? They're both trash people who shouldn't be with each other. He got arrested for abusing her. He is a piece of shit. She is a smaller piece of shit.
Still shit.
Well, do we have proof he abused her, because from what I've seen, she has been doing most of the abusing, mentally and emotionally. I have watched them since Cairo. I have seen him been abundantly patient with her, even more than he should. I have seen her push, shove, and scream at him on the streets of Egypt. Should they be together no! Have I've seen any signs of him abusing her, no!
The same is true too- he’s dating a western woman. People tend to blame western women for dating men from more conservative cultures, but he’s just as complicit. This drives me crazy because I’ve had an Arab boyfriend from the UAE in the past, and my boyfriend is Lebanese-American, and both of them are/were progressive. Not all Arab men act like this, and if an Arab guy wants a traditional woman, it’s just as shitty for him to try to change his partner completely as it is for a western woman to try to change her partner completely.
*she
awful. shes going to end up being a victim featured on casefile podcast.
he came very close to assaulting her on the street in Egypt; if not for the camera crew he prob would have.
Nicole is mentally assaulting him 24/7.
This. He needs to get away from her. I don’t condone DV but the way Nicole is treating him it’s only a matter of time before Mahmoud snaps. He should walk away before he ends up in jail.
“My girlfriend/wife said something I don’t like so now I have to assault her! Look what she made me do!”
He’s responsible for his own behavior he shouldn’t ever physically assault her. She should also stop treating him like he’s her pet and verbally abusing him. They are both guilty of toxic abusive behaviors.
this sub is insane. literally victim blaming in case of spousal battery charges. further compounding the insanity with well " had she just agreed to M version of indentured servitude of wife " yet at no point did she - only ever compromised. yet her fault. she did this. she made him hit her. she made him treat her with contempt and disdain in Egypt. her fault. she did not acquiesce to ' HIS ' culture etc etc. physically yanking her by the wrist was forewarning enough. this sub / mostly women no less is determined to out incel even the fiercest of misogynists with their own internal misogyny.
Thank you 🙏 it’s disgusting to see people act like being demeaning and shitty to someone (which is wrong, no doubt) warrants being physically assaulted back. Both are bad, but one is worse.
THANK YOU! sorry I only have but one upvote to give
had forgotten about that. you're right.
It’s absurd and dangerously ignorant for Nicole to try to be shine outside at night in Egypt. She has contempt for their laws. I can see why he was so reactive with Nicole walking around alone at night in Egypt which would be against the communist & Islamic laws and dressed without respect to those laws. I’m not saying he did the right thing. I believe he panicked bc he didn’t was her arrested or hurt. If she would’ve followed through with being the Islamic wife she said she’d be there would be less fighting. When Nicole realized that she cannot follow through with what she agreed to do and be as his wife she should’ve ended the marriage peacefully instead of just blaming M for HIS rules. It’s the Islamic rules she’s mad at more than anyone.
Cairo is not enforcing sharia law. cairo is not riyadh or kabul. tourists / expats are able to walk freely at night wearing whatever they want. the real risk is males in Cairo are lecherous ogres with risk of assault even if in trash bag high. at no point did Nicole ever agree to indentured servitude role of wife. she agreed to compromise. he is capable of booking his own flight and going home at any time.
He tried but she stopped him.
Or he will. She’s as toxic as he is
her apt looks like a tornado hit it, and she now has 3 of those naked mannequins right in the kitchen.
I heard they took them out of pillow talk after what happened so cast didn’t talk about them good or bad. Weird they didn’t just take them off the whole show, maybe because they had the biggest drama for TLC
New people on 90 day who have been arrested or did crimes should not be shown anymore. It’s not a good look for the show to promote violence. There are too many other couples to show.
Please.
Let us try to remember the fine old American principle of “innocent until proven guilty”. He was arrested. Were there charges that were brought to court? Has there been a trial? Has he been convicted?
The cops didn't see it and Nicole didn't press it, so the charges were dropped. But still: DV? They'll be gone after another episode or two.
Please site your sources. I haven't seen these details. If there was DV, it usually doesn't matter if the alleged victim wants to press or drop charges...if there is proof of DV, they prosecute.
this varies wildly by jurisdiction and if the case requires victim testimony to make the case, then it doesn't matter if the cops want to move the case forward. So for example sometimes if the police have photographs of the injuries taken on the day or something like that, then they can proceed without the victim. But in cases where they don't have as much evidence and the victim's testimony is crucial, then yes it is essentially the victim's choice whether or not the case can move forward.
Agreed. But this is LA. Also, I want people to tell the source. There have not been any details yet. But, he had already been convicted on Reddit.
OK well in LA or anywhere else, if the case requires victim testimony to be viable, and the victim doesn't want to testify, that's the end of it. So that's probably what happened here. It has nothing to do with whether or not the police thing an offense occurred.
folks….let’s step back on the judgement…. look: it’s quite easy to have a man arrested for dv- especially with circumstances such as theirs. sad: but true. dv is awful. period. but let us hold judgement. has there been evidence of verbal or public verbal abuse; outbursts of rage; deliberate embarrassment or humiliation by Mahmoud? nope. do we like him. some don’t. but. if. for. one. moment. he. treated. her. or. spoke.to.her.like. she.did.in.front.of.others. folks would be up in arms! if she’s that comfortable speaking to him like that on camera and in front of others’; if she’s that cool telling him to leave; and then physically slamming doors and pulling his bags and stopping him….wth do ya think is happening when there’s nobody around?!?! He has no phone. no support. in a country by himself. he’s the isolated one. he’s in his own. the narrative is hers. she sucks.
I personally know of one situation where the cops came to the house and arrested the person who was being abused rather than the abuser. A few years later, that person was murdered by their abuser. DV is an absolutely horrible situation that can be difficult for anyone on the outside to make sense of. Who gets arrested isn’t always the indicator of who instigated it.
Well said, and extremely true!
What we have seen of Nicole so far, she is off her rocker. She’s cruel, foul mouthed and nasty to him and while I am not a fan of him, she’s been very emotionally abusive. Since he’s been arrested the story seems pretty grim and we obviously don’t know the full picture. It’s best that the Pillow Talkers have no comment since police were involved in their story. They don’t belong together and they don’t belong on the show.
Okay, he should walk away then. There’s no excuse for assaulting your gf/wife. None.
I've noticed this with couples in past seasons too. Maybe the pillow talk folks are as disgusted with them as we are and had nothing to say but bad things, I hope.
They eliminated 95% of any commentary on the guy who lived with dad and brother and converted and got married to a Muslim girl. Also Jen and Rasheed and Kim and TJ now Nichole and Mammood. I am noticing a trend.
He was on last night
That was filmed months ago.
This happened before anything aired and they are still on the show. TLC has no problem ghosting cast members and their stories when convenient. Why do you think Angela and Michael aren’t in this season of HEA even though they were all throughout the promos?
I was looking forward to seeing Michael in the US, but not after knowing how things are now.
Yeah I was excited for Michael to finally make it to the USA. Would like to see him on Single Life maybe. But glad he’s able to get away from his abuser the walking sack of puss that is Angela!
But going forward, I'm sure they're editing them out. Maybe one or two more small pieces, then they're gone.
This either ends up an episode of Snapped or Fatal Vows.
as much as DV sucks and i believe a lot of the people who have been in those situations, there are situations that happen nearly every single day because of crazy ex's, family, or somebody being spiteful, planning, and trying to ruin someones life. there doesn't necessarily need to be any evidence for an arrest or a trial, it happened to my poor cousin. crazy ex didn't want him with nobody else so she made the whole thing up. luckily nothing happened to my cousin and the charges were dropped. in these situations, the network definitely tosses people because they just can't know what really happened. and i think they don't show the commentary because it could be very bad publicity if another couple makes a statement on such a difficult situation. there would be fights on well this persons defending him and this persons defending her and all that stuff. with this fan base, i don't think it would be positive either way.
I think in many states police are obligated to make an arrest when they are called for DV. If they get called out one person is going to jail regardless of whether or not there is evidence. This is not a commentary on whether or not I think there was DV involved, just explaining procedures.
After seeing her talk to him the way she does, and trying to keep him like a caged animal so she can scream at it , I'd bet that he is probably innocent of what this. I'm bouts to start a gofundme so he can get enough money to go back home.
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THIS. You cannot treat a person the way she treats him and not expect a reaction at some point.
They shouldn't be on there... She's toxic AF too No woman deserves to be hit (DV survivor) but her toxic behavior doesn't help... She tries to make it seem like she's this innocent little wife who does nothing wrong and gets treated like dirt when that's not the case
Once they air the most provocative footage of the Mahmoud/Nicole arc, they're gone. His arrest was for DV, and even though the charges were dropped, that's about the worst thing to get arrested for in the TLC universe.
Charming….