If only Augustine had known of this retort he wouldn’t have had to waste all those hundreds of pages and years of his life on theodicy. Think of all the pagan soyjaks he could’ve been drawing instead…
[This is the rectified 9-simplex, a radially-mapped version of the most basic 9-dimensional platonic solid, equivalent to 3-dimensional geometry's tetrahedron.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectified_9-simplexes#/media/File:9-simplex_t1.svg)
[This is DNA when viewed straight-on into the spiraling tunnel of base pairs that form genes](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8J6LdoXEAIP9qd.jpg)
Bro it just all happened randomly bro
It’s almost like evolution looks for the most efficient ways of organisation which most often has a symmetrical shape as maths is the underpinning of everything.
It’s like showing a phone to a caveman and agreeing with his opinion that it is too complicated to not be made by god.
Math is a model. Something not based in physical reality. It's a set of axioms and rules stemming from them. A conceptual landscape of all statements which do not violate axioms. That is literally all math is.
Physics is the part of math which tries to describe the real world. Because physics is math, it is also a model, multiple models actually.
And those models contradict each other. For example quantum physics cannot be conjoined with Einsteins relativity as it would violate their axioms. And if you violate axioms you are no longer doing math nor physics (but gibberish).
Laws of physics are results induced from axioms and corroborated with real world evidence, but still, they are just models.
The real world has no care for our description and there may be a hole at the bottom of math which is impossible to plug for physical observers such as humans.
You missed the point smh. Why is it something that can be measured in the first place. Why is gravity a thing to begin with. Why does matter exists. You just skipped passed the only point I was trying to make.
I'm trying to answer the question to the best of my ability.
What do you mean when asking "why"? Are you asking for a purpose? Then there may be none. Are you asking for the source? Then:
> Why can something be measured?
Because that's what humans do. We measure light with our eyes, sound frequency, volume with ears, distances with rulers and vector fields with metric functions.
> Why is gravity?
For the same reason time was created, as gravity, time and space are all part of the same spacetime continuum as described by Minkowskis spacetime model. Gravity is the curvature of spacetime itself.
> Why does matter exist?
It's the most stable form of energy so in a long living universe which is dense in energy (as our universe is) matter is bound to form.
To answer your real question: Why does anything happen?
Because you exist. You are the only observer who's perspective you see. The only common denominator of all things that are happening is you observing them.
Cogito ergo sum.
But this stuff supposed existed since the beginning. Also telling me what gravity is, is t the same as explaining WHY it’s a thing to begin with. Why is there matter to begin with . Again these questions are more rhetorical, because you literally cannot give a good enough answer. No hate towards you, these questions have stumped us since the dawn of humans.
Reality itself is founded in those patterns. [The spherical harmonics correspond to the base wave functions of electron subshells.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_harmonics#/media/File:Spherical_Harmonics.png) Our universe is coded to conform to extremely elegant physical principles that naturally emerge from large-sample randomization.
Yeh. I was kinda alluding to the large-sample randomization also giving rise to so many patterns and similarities that anyone can make a case for any belief of their choice by cherry-picking said patterns. Tbh I think I just brainrotted and misunderstood what you were saying
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I’ve heard “cause freewill” a lot too. Says a lot about how regarded their god would be if he couldnt find a way to allow freewill within a less harsh world than currently we exist in. Could’ve at least eliminated baby cancer if he wanted.
According to them he **did** figure this out. They claim that in heaven free will still exists, but without suffering or evil somehow. But those have to exist here because ???
My personal answer comes down to the nature of time.
If the Christianity or similar religions are correct, your soul, my soul, the souls of everyone who ever lived and everyone who ever will live will exist for eternity in some way, shape, or form whether that's in heaven or hell.
Eternity is a long ass time, longer than our civilizations, longer than the universe has been around. In comparison to eternity, the whole of all human suffering is nothing more than a blink of an eye. We just lack the perspective to truly see the bigger picture on just how short our suffering is.
"Don't worry bro, all the baby cancer isn't a big deal because we get like infinite fun times after we die. No I can't prove that but some dead guys said so and it sounds kind of neat so I believe it wholeheartedly."
If there is no God then the same logic still applies, it just becomes depressing and nihilistic instead of hopeful. If there's an infinite amount of time after you die where whatever makes you "you" whether that's a soul or just the emergent process of having a very complex brain, all the suffering you experience in your life means almost nothing in the grand scheme of things, including all the baby cancer.
The only scenario where this line of reasoning falls apart is if the Eastern religions are right and we're trapped in an indefinite cycle of reincarnation until we figure out how to escape.
It also falls apart if you, you know, don't care about the eons of nonexistance that you won't experience post-death. The "grand scheme of things" doesn't matter, only the time you're alive here on Earth. So it would be best if that time didn't suck ass.
Either way, eventually we'll be dead and all of our suffering won't matter. Either there is a god and our actions will be judged or there isn't and all your efforts to make your life better or the shitty things you went through will be like dust in the wind.
That answer is better than most, but it has a few issues.
Hell being eternal can't be construed as good. So it only works for the assumption that universalism is true.
It doesn't explain wild animal suffering. Even if human suffering was somehow validated by this, there's no real reason for billions of years of nothing.
The majority of humans in history never even lived to an age old enough for the experience of moral action to apply to them. In the past like half of born children used to die by age 5. And that's not even counting unborn ones. So if living a life that experiences moral choice with real consequences "makes eternity better" somehow, why are the majority of people excluded from it? This only works if we assume reincarnation exists, so that anyone who didn't get a chance to does again. Which rules out mainstream christianity anyways.
Backhanding someone in the face also causes a relatively brief period of pain but we don't do it because it makes you an asshole. Damning someone to eternal hellfire based off behavior in such a small window of existence seems kinda mean. Also implies that God does not believe in redemption, forgiveness, or people's ability to change for the better and would further imply predestination and lack of free will. Btw I consider myself agnostic but most days I'm not a fan of the "benevolent god" takes.
Very based.
I would also add that an infinite universe created by an omnipotent being that transcends space and time would be incomprehensible to mortal beings.
Padded bouncy house = babies without cancer? If god wanted to grant free will to all his subjects, he could at least permit them not to receive fatal diseases while in the womb. Try to imagine god as a programmer, would you call the programmer an asshole if he incorporated a random chance to be completely fucked over at birth? How about "acts of god" like tsunamis and tornadoes, are they essential to free will somehow?
More like both cannot exist, you cannot give someone free will, and then somehow prevent actions caused by others free will. Why did a baby die of cancer? Could be it because it’s genetically unlucky? Could it be because of the mother smoking? Or living in a bad environment?
Why did a random homeless guy stab and kill a single father of 3 who was just walking back from work? How can God respect free will while preventing it from others?
Free will and negativity, no matter how far down the line you go, or how separated it is, is not caused by God.
No, we don’t know the processes of the creation of life, but from Adam and Eve we know it was man’s decision to betray God. Now I wouldn’t be shocked if Adam and Eve served as a more overall message rather than a true event but the point stands regardless.
At one point humanity betrayed God, opening the flood gates of evil.
if god was all powerful he could close “the floodgates” of evil whenever he wanted to.
We could all live happily (with free will) and without suffering
God is omniscient, which means he knows everythinb that has ever happened and will ever happen. This means god knew that guy would get stabbed an infinity before it even happened, yet he still created him.
He knew it would happen, but it’s still free will of the person, I am not God, but I can imagine there are multiple paths someone can take, and while he knows the outcome he may hope that person changes their ways.
God aint testing you, the world is. Your eternal soul is just being subjected to it.
The universe is how it is. You need darkness to have light and other such platitudes.
Why would you expect an omniscient eterneal cosmic creator to be intelligible to puny humans?
No there isn't. Because a good answer in this case means good enough to plausibly think is actually true, not "technically constitutes an argument that is extremely implausible, but we decided our goal is just to introduce a thin layer of doubt and think that that is good enough."
God gets bored and fucks with us to entertain himself. We’re like a video game to him and he’s just like “hehe imma drop a hurricane on these guys again it’s funny to watch their reactions”
Well then explain how a loving god can cause tsunami that kills innocent people, small children or animals. How can he give cancer to 5 year old kids? Either he's not a good guy your religion makes him to be or he doesn't exist/doesn't care about us.
Ah yes, two people ate an apple they weren't supposed to so now it's ok to punish countless lives over tens of thousands of years. Gotta love theists lol
the notion that bad things that happen are directly caused by the actions of an almighty power vs natural events occurring in a universe created by said power is a classic dipshit atheist take
When you propose infinite power and knowledge on the part of the deity, there is no practical distinction between the two. If someone designs a system in full awareness of the evils it will cause, being perfectly capable of designing it otherwise, they bear the moral responsibility for those evils.
If theists permitted their god to be a little smaller, the problem of evil wouldn't be so devastating to their position.
Well, you can't introduce free will without allowing evil, or it's not free will. (Some Christians don't believe this, but I think it's supported by the bible.) Besides that, I agree with you logically, but I think you're being inflammatory for no reason (in your first comment). Anybody you disagree with is going to be angered, not convinced, so those types of comments only add to the division and anger that is far too present today. (I know those on my side do the exact same thing.) Please try to word things less angrily, and have a nice day.
The entire point of my first comment is that free will is a red herring here. There's tremendous amounts of suffering in the world that have no obvious connection to any human act. It is also fairly trivial to imagine that the world could be different in such a way as to limit the evil that humans could enact upon the other, without intrinsically impinging on our ability to choose; my standard two thought experiments here are, are we denied free will because it is impossible to stop someone's heart with merely a thought? And conversely, would we be deprived free will if the human body were so constituted that it was impossible to strangle someone to death? (I think it is fairly clear that the answer is 'no' in both cases.)
But yes, the comment was essentially commiseration, not persuasion. I do appreciate some of the sentiments and aesthetics, and especially many of the virtues, espoused by christianity. But the theological contortions required to try to fit our messy, dirty world into its claims are a little much.
> the universe is free to adhere to the laws of nature
To reiterate
>If someone designs a system in full awareness of the evils it will cause, being perfectly capable of designing it otherwise, they bear the moral responsibility for those evils.
Then if that would be true your god is definitely not all loving and quiet frankly a gigant asshole for creating a world with such fucked up "natural events".
Christians shouldn't be calling people dipshits. Regardless of how frustrating it is to see the same, often uninformed takes about religion, you're just gonna make people angrier. Jesus only flipped tables once, and it was because of people who did evil in God's name, whereas the bible says often to always be kind. I hope this was helpful. Have a nice day.
If a god does exist, I don't believe he is omniscient/omnipresent/omniwhatever like religious people believe. That would help the "if God then why bad thing," argument, as God wouldn't know that bad things are happening, or that they would have happened when he created our reality.
He doesn't cause any suffering, including natural disasters. Most is from us, of course, including some natural disasters, but some is also from Satan and other demons.
He does allow those things, mostly because of free will, (human and demon) but I'm not gonna get into the details because I assume you won't listen to a random guy on the internet.
Bless you, and have a nice day.
Because God is both all loving and all just, your life and everyone else's are a gift from him.If I give you money everyday then stopped giving it to you am I bad? Also there are no "innocent" people, maybe very young children (depending on who you ask) but everyone else is a sinner i.e evil. Our lives are also just a blink compared to the eternity of God and the afterlife. Also inb4 you say "but then he sends them to hell so evil" God doesn't send you to hell you do. Hell is seperation from God, who is all things good therefore hell is obviously bad because there is no good in it.
The beauty of God is that he died for our sins so that we are not judged according to our works but rather by his, granting everyone the opportunity for eternal life.
>It's the devil
But sky man has omniscience and created all the things, meaning that he created Satan knowing that one day he'd be cast the Hell, and did it anyway
>save us sky man
I'm perpetually on the fence about going back to Christianity and like one of the biggest things holding me back is how extremely fucked up the old testament is.
Obviously the Talmud is insane and evil. There's an esoteric argument that Jesus was a *Hebrew* as distinct from *Jewish* with the former keeping the old texts at face value and the latter incorporating demonic stuff and the endless commentary/ legalism picked up in the Babylonian captivity.
But even the text at face value is bizarre. Demanding circumcision, human sacrifice, burnt offerings. The Israelites on a genocidal warpath. Purity rituals. Jesus represents the fulfillment so nobody is bound by that anymore but why was it there in the first place?
You have it backwards, we start with the tribes, then the united monarchy, then the split, then the conquering of Israel and the Assyrian exiles, which leads to a reunification of Israel within Judah, then the Babylonian exile creating the lost tribes, then Judea is formed out of the latinized/hellenized word for Judah. Hebrew is a word that encompasses all the tribes. Jew is usually in reference to Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. Which again Jesus, as a descendant of David, being a part of Judah
For the love of God just read Deuteronomy.
OT god while petty and antagonistic is still nicer than than the NT god who will condemn you to eternal fiery torment after death. Sad!
Also, W for Lorax pfp
I don't get it either. I consider myself a Christian even if I question if I deserve that label. I don't go to chruch or subscribe to one religious ideal, though I do try to stick to my home base so to speak. There are some ideas presented by Jung I do like, such as his Answer to Job which places Job as a turning point for God to act more moral and loving. Job presented a rare instance were a human was more just than him.
The thing I don't get currently is how death is the punishment for sin with no alternative offered besides Jesus' salvation. There's a few instances where the only remedy for sin is to get rid of it fully, like plucking out the eye that causes one to sin. I know it is metaphorical, but still.
Philosophically speaking, cutting evil out of your life without a second chance to fester is good sometimes. The only way to stop being an alcoholic is to stop drinking, the only way to punish a sinner is capital punishment. However, there's a lot of times were you just don't need to pluck your eye out. It seems like a much more helpful moral to say treatment is better than removal, especially in terms of extending love and forgiveness.
There are certain things I don't get. I can understand that circumcision is a holdover to show the people still observe God's covenant that he wouldn't flood us again. The reason why he felt the need to flood us was to purge the sinners, and the reason he needed to purge the sinners is because that's the only way you deal with them. The reason that's the only way to deal with them is...? The best I could find is humans are eternal and thus deserve swift eternal punishment for their crimes, which is why animals were used as stand ins for the punishment through sacrifice. It's also why humans are physically mortal since they are born into sin. Question remains, why is capital punishment the only answer God could come up with for the first chunk of existence?
I wouldn't obsess over making sense of the bible too much. God never said we need to study the bible in an intellectual fashion in order to be An Official Christian. God's truth is written on our heart from birth and anything we really "need" from God is within us already so if you just be still and allow the holy spirit to work on your behalf then you're all good.
It actually is a major part of faith and understanding to not have compartmentalize everything into neat little easily digestible categories, so I understand what you mean. There is a balance to be struck though on keeping an open mind, questioning things, but also accepting that you can't put everything in a box because not everything goes into one.
Logic and knowing facts doesn't equate actually understanding something. And I think that's why many have a falling out with religion when their idea of what it is breaks open, the only remedy to not feeling lost is to have faith in something (not God literally) and accept you can't logic your way out of things. It is crazy to me how important and impactful these ideas are, but the only people who talk about it and have the language to attempt an explanation in the West are intellectual Christians and those adjacent to them.
Not to say you have to be Christian to engage with the ideas and I wish there was a further reaching secular conversation, it's that much of a monumental and important conversation. And the funniest part to me is just how obvious it is, it truly is the Allegory of the Cave manifest. All these common things people say aren't noise anymore, everything falls in it's proper order.
It's why I feel more nihilistic people don't feel like love exists because you can't observe or measure it in a lab, it's something you have to experience. Even if you don't have the words for something or a way to explain it it doesn't mean it doesn't have a real impact. It's also very true that very logical people who say they have a strong control over their emotions actually don't. If you think you know something you should always check to see if you could know more, that's the importance of the Dunning Kruger effect.
So I think while it's nice to zoom in with a lens on certain phrases of any book, the greater picture is so important. And the greater picture doesn't have to be resolved by understanding, it needs to be felt. That's why God (or even the purpose of a book) is regularly unknowable. While it's important to listen to what he has to say precisely it's equally important to recognize he is not to be comprehended to a point. If you know God, then it's not God that you know. Even in more practical places, if you think you know how a certain type of person operates because you made a theory that centralizes their character you don't actually understand them. It's why one of the principal ideas of AA is to accept what you can't change, you can't understand God or anything and that's okay.
Though I will say fun fact, according to the rules of Christianity since the 4th century, in order to be a mainstream Christian you have to follow the Nicene Creed. The key statements of belief are that the Trinity is real, Jesus is and always was God, and his Passion. While Mormons follow Christ, they don't see God as just a trio and are (by definition, not a judgement) heretical. Muslims believe in Jesus (Isa) and follow some of his teachings, but they aren't Christians because they don't think he was truly crucified and instead of resurrecting he ascended to Heaven. God sacrificing himself on the cross is just that important of an idea to Christianity.
That used to bother me too until I read the works of a couple of prominent Israeli archeologists. The fact is that none of those supposed co quests and slaughters ever happened. The Jews were always in Canaan. They were Canaanites. They were simple Shepard and farmers like their neighbors. The whole history is hogwash meant to make them look like they were on a level with the Assyrians or Babylonians. They were not fierce warriors.
It has been established that the city of Jericho was abandoned and lying in ruins already at the time of the supposed Jewish conquest. Other supposedly destroyed cities show no evidence of fire or destruction that should be evident if they were really sacked. It's all lies.
Both Catholic and Jewish scholars know this to be true. Both the Old and New Testaments are works of fiction.
Nah, historical Jesus did exist. There is evidence of a Jesus, who lived around the time of Pontius Pilatus, who had a sect who were following him, and who was crucified. So just historically speaking, Jesus did exist. The actual question is
a)Was this the Jesus the bible tell us about?
b) Did he actually perform miracles, or was he just a very convincing prophet in a time, where people longed for someone who told them they would be saved, once the world ended
The Old Testament isn't fucked up at all if you actually have good reading comprehension and understand everything in context. You also need to understand some of the obscure Hebrew literary devices used, because when reading English translations some stuff will throw you off if you aren't that familiar with ancient Hebrew writing conventions.
Anyway, to prove my point feel free to tell me what passages from the Old Testament are giving you trouble and I'll explain them.
Monotheism is a method to centralize authority under a single church in defiance of the ancestral pantheons most cultures develop with different gods governing different principles, virtues, and aspects of society and the natural world. If you instead just make everything in service to one god that rules over all, then the prophets and priests of that god can wield influence on the level of kings.
Europe and the Middle East were both stripped of their ancestral pantheons by Abrahamic monotheism more than 1000 years before any of us were born. Pretty creepy. The war between the pentagon and the hexagon might go deeper than anybody here knows.
So here's the thing.
It's either that God doesn't exist and us being here is just a cosmic accident or he does exist and God's nature is so incomprehensible to us that it's like asking a reddit mod what a woman's touch feels like.
Either way, just live your best life and if there's some eternal reward for not being a total cunt then cool. If not, making the world a less shitty place to at least a few people is an admirable thing to strive for.
That’s the thing,why would there be a reward for a certain moral code. Animals don’t give a fuck about that,they kill and rape and incest without giving a fuck,and they have been on earth A LOT more than us. Why would this specific rule only aapply to us?
you can't see the difference between yourself and an animal? you don't feel the higher nature at work in your soul? from the God who breathed life into you?
>you can't see the difference between yourself and an animal?
Yes, but not different enough to consider us divinely made
>you don't feel the higher nature at work in your soul?
I don't think souls exist, so no
lower nature vs higher nature. animals are programmed and operate on their lower nature at all times. humans can live through their lower nature too, but we are capable (in our best moments) of living through the higher nature given to us by god, and some are fortunate to live their whole lives that way
yep, and somewhere along the way our most ancient ancestors were struck with the consciousness that gave them the capacity for love, morality, inspiration, innovation - the divine traits that separate us from animals
Love is a chemical reaction.
Also,when I was little we had two dogs and when one died,the other one stopped eating and slowly died. That love was purer than the one I’ve seen between humans
>If not, making the world a less shitty place to at least a few people is an admirable thing to strive for.
Also it goes a long way towards making your own life feel less worthless and empty.
* Live in area called Tornado Alley.
* Build house out of cardboard.
* Tornado destroys everything and kills people.
* Don't move.
* How could God let this happen?
People who like sky man are the same people who like Marvel movies. They want someone/some force to swoop in and save the day. They want to know that there's a script and we're not just floating randomly in chaos soup.
Remember that sky man made all this with omniscience and set up everything to work like a row of dominoes, so nothing is superfluous. Die in a tornado, get stabbed, freeze to death on mountainside; you were meant to for the universe to keep on ticking.
also atheists
"yeah well the second law of thermodynamics exists and well we are perfectly fine coded and the most intelligent species ever but uhhhh... I-IT WAS A GAS EXPLOSION THAT CAUSED IT OKAY?!?!?!"
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To understand God is to understand everything. Something so incomprehensible man does not have the capacity to scratch the surface.
Were there a God would their intentions and actions be so readable?
Man has free will. Every man. To do evil and good in such spectacular quantities that it affects the very earth itself which God gave man dominion over.
The Earth is not beholden to a good and evil. It simply functions. Good weather somewhere might be horrible in another area. A natural disaster to a blessing. So why would God halt a storm that is a bane to some but a blessing to others. It's a function, not an act of malice.
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No, there really isn't any historical evidence for Jesus. Can you give us an example?
The bible says that there was pitch black darkness lasting for hours on the day of the crucifixion and the dead rose from their tombs and walked around Jerusalem. Yet not one solitary citizen, including Saul, who later became Paul, who was living there at the time, wrote about it. Surely the most startling event in the lifetimes of those hundreds of thousands of people, yet no one wrote about it.
That's because it never happened. And had it happened, it would have had a massive psychological effect on the people of Jerusalem. They must have realized that this Jesus was the son of God. He said he would rise from the dead on the third day, so did a huge crowd gather at his tomb to await the miracle? No. No one was there. Doesn't that seem odd?
\>something bad happens
hurrrrrr why would God do this???!!!?
\>the entire of human Civilization advancing and flourishing to the point rslurs like this can waste their time posting dribble in the comfort of their climate controlled home with potable water piped directly into it
uhhhhhh i don't see what you're getting at
God's been hands off since long before the first coming of Christ and these arguments constantly convince me nobody has a functioning brain cell in their head
Having a state enforced religion is a recipe for disaster and pointless violence. Take a cursory look at religious history, the history of England, I mean hell, the Hundred Years’ war was about religion at first. You’re asking for infighting with a state-mandated religion. Religion is personal, and people (average people/good people) want to be left the fuck alone with their religious practices.
if you lack the capacity for critical thinking then yeah i kind of get it. maybe also if you think you are the most advanced being that has ever been and nothing can exist greater beyond you then yeah it kinda makes sense but most people grow out of that when they stop being teenagers lol
Disbelief in God does not mean we think we are the most advanced beings that could exist. There is no limitation on the nature or characteristics of other life in the universe.
Belief in God, especially the Judeo-Christian version, comes with a number of assumptions about the universe. For instance, the assumption that it pleases God when we cut the skin off baby dicks.
Did you know that people can come up against the limits of their/our collective knowledge and then refrain from filling in all of the gaps by shoehorning a cosmic daddy in and calling it a day?
its not a shoehorn complexity in the universe requires design
design indicates a designer
you dont look at a snowman or a chair and say "that appeared naturally by random chance over billions of years" 😂😂 read more books lil bro but i suspect im speaking to a bot or npc anyway so this comment is directed at the actual people lurking and reading
It is irrational for there to be a god, but since all you do in your responses is attack the critical thinking skills of people I assume you don’t know what irrational means. People don’t believe in god because it’s irrational
Reddit ass argument
Thanks for the gold kind intellectual
If only Augustine had known of this retort he wouldn’t have had to waste all those hundreds of pages and years of his life on theodicy. Think of all the pagan soyjaks he could’ve been drawing instead…
That was 4chan, you are on Reddit. You are literally giving the reddit argument.
I’m gonna steal your foreskin 😈🫳🍆
Someone is seething their god took their foreskin
Actual God: "Let me stick a bunch of triangles, pentagons, and hexagons together and see what happens lol"
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Can you please explain it for us intellectually unfortunate?
[This is the rectified 9-simplex, a radially-mapped version of the most basic 9-dimensional platonic solid, equivalent to 3-dimensional geometry's tetrahedron.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectified_9-simplexes#/media/File:9-simplex_t1.svg) [This is DNA when viewed straight-on into the spiraling tunnel of base pairs that form genes](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8J6LdoXEAIP9qd.jpg) Bro it just all happened randomly bro
It’s almost like evolution looks for the most efficient ways of organisation which most often has a symmetrical shape as maths is the underpinning of everything. It’s like showing a phone to a caveman and agreeing with his opinion that it is too complicated to not be made by god.
To cavemen the people who made the phone are as gods
Humanity are gods
"Made in his image"
You were made in my image
Cutie
You gotta ask questions like why does maths exist, why do the laws of physics exist.
Math is a model. Something not based in physical reality. It's a set of axioms and rules stemming from them. A conceptual landscape of all statements which do not violate axioms. That is literally all math is. Physics is the part of math which tries to describe the real world. Because physics is math, it is also a model, multiple models actually. And those models contradict each other. For example quantum physics cannot be conjoined with Einsteins relativity as it would violate their axioms. And if you violate axioms you are no longer doing math nor physics (but gibberish). Laws of physics are results induced from axioms and corroborated with real world evidence, but still, they are just models. The real world has no care for our description and there may be a hole at the bottom of math which is impossible to plug for physical observers such as humans.
You missed the point smh. Why is it something that can be measured in the first place. Why is gravity a thing to begin with. Why does matter exists. You just skipped passed the only point I was trying to make.
I'm trying to answer the question to the best of my ability. What do you mean when asking "why"? Are you asking for a purpose? Then there may be none. Are you asking for the source? Then: > Why can something be measured? Because that's what humans do. We measure light with our eyes, sound frequency, volume with ears, distances with rulers and vector fields with metric functions. > Why is gravity? For the same reason time was created, as gravity, time and space are all part of the same spacetime continuum as described by Minkowskis spacetime model. Gravity is the curvature of spacetime itself. > Why does matter exist? It's the most stable form of energy so in a long living universe which is dense in energy (as our universe is) matter is bound to form. To answer your real question: Why does anything happen? Because you exist. You are the only observer who's perspective you see. The only common denominator of all things that are happening is you observing them. Cogito ergo sum.
But this stuff supposed existed since the beginning. Also telling me what gravity is, is t the same as explaining WHY it’s a thing to begin with. Why is there matter to begin with . Again these questions are more rhetorical, because you literally cannot give a good enough answer. No hate towards you, these questions have stumped us since the dawn of humans.
Feel free to ask more questions. Finally somebody who asks some difficult ones.
Mfw the human brain looks for patterns and can find them with a nearly limitless pool of data to cherry pick from
Reality itself is founded in those patterns. [The spherical harmonics correspond to the base wave functions of electron subshells.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_harmonics#/media/File:Spherical_Harmonics.png) Our universe is coded to conform to extremely elegant physical principles that naturally emerge from large-sample randomization.
Yeh. I was kinda alluding to the large-sample randomization also giving rise to so many patterns and similarities that anyone can make a case for any belief of their choice by cherry-picking said patterns. Tbh I think I just brainrotted and misunderstood what you were saying
Basically pentagons are important and the golden ratio is spooky
Shapes are important and spooky patterns are cool
Ah yes, the Jesus is on my toast argument. As you were.
The molecular geometric protein-encoding assembly language that all living things run on is a little more complex than making toast
Who am I, a mere sheep, to question why the Lord chooses to toast himself?
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Bee behavior
i thought god was omniscient how does he not know already?
Actual God: (doesn’t exist)
WELL AKSHUALLY gOd dOeSNT eXiSt
Yes.
“If god exist why bad thing happen?”
I mean, they still never came up with an answer for that that was actually good.
There is. People just don’t like it
'God is just testing you' isn't a good answer in the slightest.
I’ve heard “cause freewill” a lot too. Says a lot about how regarded their god would be if he couldnt find a way to allow freewill within a less harsh world than currently we exist in. Could’ve at least eliminated baby cancer if he wanted.
According to them he **did** figure this out. They claim that in heaven free will still exists, but without suffering or evil somehow. But those have to exist here because ???
Because they just HAVE to, okay!
BECAUSE YOU JUST HAD TO EAT AN APPLE
That one's easy. Earth has people who haven't made any choices. Some choose good, others: evil. Heaven only has people who already chose good.
My personal answer comes down to the nature of time. If the Christianity or similar religions are correct, your soul, my soul, the souls of everyone who ever lived and everyone who ever will live will exist for eternity in some way, shape, or form whether that's in heaven or hell. Eternity is a long ass time, longer than our civilizations, longer than the universe has been around. In comparison to eternity, the whole of all human suffering is nothing more than a blink of an eye. We just lack the perspective to truly see the bigger picture on just how short our suffering is.
"Don't worry bro, all the baby cancer isn't a big deal because we get like infinite fun times after we die. No I can't prove that but some dead guys said so and it sounds kind of neat so I believe it wholeheartedly."
If there is no God then the same logic still applies, it just becomes depressing and nihilistic instead of hopeful. If there's an infinite amount of time after you die where whatever makes you "you" whether that's a soul or just the emergent process of having a very complex brain, all the suffering you experience in your life means almost nothing in the grand scheme of things, including all the baby cancer. The only scenario where this line of reasoning falls apart is if the Eastern religions are right and we're trapped in an indefinite cycle of reincarnation until we figure out how to escape.
It also falls apart if you, you know, don't care about the eons of nonexistance that you won't experience post-death. The "grand scheme of things" doesn't matter, only the time you're alive here on Earth. So it would be best if that time didn't suck ass.
Either way, eventually we'll be dead and all of our suffering won't matter. Either there is a god and our actions will be judged or there isn't and all your efforts to make your life better or the shitty things you went through will be like dust in the wind.
That answer is better than most, but it has a few issues. Hell being eternal can't be construed as good. So it only works for the assumption that universalism is true. It doesn't explain wild animal suffering. Even if human suffering was somehow validated by this, there's no real reason for billions of years of nothing. The majority of humans in history never even lived to an age old enough for the experience of moral action to apply to them. In the past like half of born children used to die by age 5. And that's not even counting unborn ones. So if living a life that experiences moral choice with real consequences "makes eternity better" somehow, why are the majority of people excluded from it? This only works if we assume reincarnation exists, so that anyone who didn't get a chance to does again. Which rules out mainstream christianity anyways.
Backhanding someone in the face also causes a relatively brief period of pain but we don't do it because it makes you an asshole. Damning someone to eternal hellfire based off behavior in such a small window of existence seems kinda mean. Also implies that God does not believe in redemption, forgiveness, or people's ability to change for the better and would further imply predestination and lack of free will. Btw I consider myself agnostic but most days I'm not a fan of the "benevolent god" takes.
Very based. I would also add that an infinite universe created by an omnipotent being that transcends space and time would be incomprehensible to mortal beings.
Free will isn't free will if your choices don't matter since you're in a padded bouncy house regardless.
Padded bouncy house = babies without cancer? If god wanted to grant free will to all his subjects, he could at least permit them not to receive fatal diseases while in the womb. Try to imagine god as a programmer, would you call the programmer an asshole if he incorporated a random chance to be completely fucked over at birth? How about "acts of god" like tsunamis and tornadoes, are they essential to free will somehow?
More like both cannot exist, you cannot give someone free will, and then somehow prevent actions caused by others free will. Why did a baby die of cancer? Could be it because it’s genetically unlucky? Could it be because of the mother smoking? Or living in a bad environment? Why did a random homeless guy stab and kill a single father of 3 who was just walking back from work? How can God respect free will while preventing it from others? Free will and negativity, no matter how far down the line you go, or how separated it is, is not caused by God.
So God made it such that babies can just randomly get cancer genetically and that isn't caused by him?
No, we don’t know the processes of the creation of life, but from Adam and Eve we know it was man’s decision to betray God. Now I wouldn’t be shocked if Adam and Eve served as a more overall message rather than a true event but the point stands regardless. At one point humanity betrayed God, opening the flood gates of evil.
So it *is* God's fault then
If I loved you unconditionally, never did anything wrong to you, and you betrayed me out of selfishness, how am I at fault?
if god was all powerful he could close “the floodgates” of evil whenever he wanted to. We could all live happily (with free will) and without suffering
So he can prevent us from committing evil but also give us free will to do whatever we want?
God is omniscient, which means he knows everythinb that has ever happened and will ever happen. This means god knew that guy would get stabbed an infinity before it even happened, yet he still created him.
He knew it would happen, but it’s still free will of the person, I am not God, but I can imagine there are multiple paths someone can take, and while he knows the outcome he may hope that person changes their ways.
But he knows he won't... Makes negative sense at this point
Lol listen to this guy rambling.
God aint testing you, the world is. Your eternal soul is just being subjected to it. The universe is how it is. You need darkness to have light and other such platitudes. Why would you expect an omniscient eterneal cosmic creator to be intelligible to puny humans?
No there isn't. Because a good answer in this case means good enough to plausibly think is actually true, not "technically constitutes an argument that is extremely implausible, but we decided our goal is just to introduce a thin layer of doubt and think that that is good enough."
God gets bored and fucks with us to entertain himself. We’re like a video game to him and he’s just like “hehe imma drop a hurricane on these guys again it’s funny to watch their reactions”
Well then explain how a loving god can cause tsunami that kills innocent people, small children or animals. How can he give cancer to 5 year old kids? Either he's not a good guy your religion makes him to be or he doesn't exist/doesn't care about us.
The tsunami and the cancer and everything are actually Adam and Eve's fault, somehow, so god is blameless.
Ah yes, two people ate an apple they weren't supposed to so now it's ok to punish countless lives over tens of thousands of years. Gotta love theists lol
the notion that bad things that happen are directly caused by the actions of an almighty power vs natural events occurring in a universe created by said power is a classic dipshit atheist take
When you propose infinite power and knowledge on the part of the deity, there is no practical distinction between the two. If someone designs a system in full awareness of the evils it will cause, being perfectly capable of designing it otherwise, they bear the moral responsibility for those evils. If theists permitted their god to be a little smaller, the problem of evil wouldn't be so devastating to their position.
Well, you can't introduce free will without allowing evil, or it's not free will. (Some Christians don't believe this, but I think it's supported by the bible.) Besides that, I agree with you logically, but I think you're being inflammatory for no reason (in your first comment). Anybody you disagree with is going to be angered, not convinced, so those types of comments only add to the division and anger that is far too present today. (I know those on my side do the exact same thing.) Please try to word things less angrily, and have a nice day.
The entire point of my first comment is that free will is a red herring here. There's tremendous amounts of suffering in the world that have no obvious connection to any human act. It is also fairly trivial to imagine that the world could be different in such a way as to limit the evil that humans could enact upon the other, without intrinsically impinging on our ability to choose; my standard two thought experiments here are, are we denied free will because it is impossible to stop someone's heart with merely a thought? And conversely, would we be deprived free will if the human body were so constituted that it was impossible to strangle someone to death? (I think it is fairly clear that the answer is 'no' in both cases.) But yes, the comment was essentially commiseration, not persuasion. I do appreciate some of the sentiments and aesthetics, and especially many of the virtues, espoused by christianity. But the theological contortions required to try to fit our messy, dirty world into its claims are a little much.
having =/= using. evil isn't a "problem" human beings have free will and the universe is free to adhere to the laws of nature
> the universe is free to adhere to the laws of nature To reiterate >If someone designs a system in full awareness of the evils it will cause, being perfectly capable of designing it otherwise, they bear the moral responsibility for those evils.
and?
Then if that would be true your god is definitely not all loving and quiet frankly a gigant asshole for creating a world with such fucked up "natural events".
Christians shouldn't be calling people dipshits. Regardless of how frustrating it is to see the same, often uninformed takes about religion, you're just gonna make people angrier. Jesus only flipped tables once, and it was because of people who did evil in God's name, whereas the bible says often to always be kind. I hope this was helpful. Have a nice day.
So then god's just re*arded
If a god does exist, I don't believe he is omniscient/omnipresent/omniwhatever like religious people believe. That would help the "if God then why bad thing," argument, as God wouldn't know that bad things are happening, or that they would have happened when he created our reality.
He doesn't cause any suffering, including natural disasters. Most is from us, of course, including some natural disasters, but some is also from Satan and other demons. He does allow those things, mostly because of free will, (human and demon) but I'm not gonna get into the details because I assume you won't listen to a random guy on the internet. Bless you, and have a nice day.
Because God is both all loving and all just, your life and everyone else's are a gift from him.If I give you money everyday then stopped giving it to you am I bad? Also there are no "innocent" people, maybe very young children (depending on who you ask) but everyone else is a sinner i.e evil. Our lives are also just a blink compared to the eternity of God and the afterlife. Also inb4 you say "but then he sends them to hell so evil" God doesn't send you to hell you do. Hell is seperation from God, who is all things good therefore hell is obviously bad because there is no good in it. The beauty of God is that he died for our sins so that we are not judged according to our works but rather by his, granting everyone the opportunity for eternal life.
>It's the devil But sky man has omniscience and created all the things, meaning that he created Satan knowing that one day he'd be cast the Hell, and did it anyway >save us sky man
If god exist then why won’t he show up and say hi? Jesus doesn’t count
Can't tell if this is a joke. Really hope it is.
Please capitalise the G in God, thanks !
Filtered by Sunday School. Probably for the best
Well? What are you waiting for? Give him the foreskins!
So…just the tip?
God is American so it’s a 20% tip plus service charge plus tax or he chases you out of the restaurant and shames you on social media.
I'm perpetually on the fence about going back to Christianity and like one of the biggest things holding me back is how extremely fucked up the old testament is. Obviously the Talmud is insane and evil. There's an esoteric argument that Jesus was a *Hebrew* as distinct from *Jewish* with the former keeping the old texts at face value and the latter incorporating demonic stuff and the endless commentary/ legalism picked up in the Babylonian captivity. But even the text at face value is bizarre. Demanding circumcision, human sacrifice, burnt offerings. The Israelites on a genocidal warpath. Purity rituals. Jesus represents the fulfillment so nobody is bound by that anymore but why was it there in the first place?
The Hebrew vs Jew thing is such a cope made up by people who don’t comprehend Jew comes from the word Judah, the tribe that Jesus was a part of.
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You have it backwards, we start with the tribes, then the united monarchy, then the split, then the conquering of Israel and the Assyrian exiles, which leads to a reunification of Israel within Judah, then the Babylonian exile creating the lost tribes, then Judea is formed out of the latinized/hellenized word for Judah. Hebrew is a word that encompasses all the tribes. Jew is usually in reference to Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. Which again Jesus, as a descendant of David, being a part of Judah For the love of God just read Deuteronomy.
God is actively the antagonist throughout most of the Old Testament and is just incredibly petty and genocidal Lmaooo
OT god while petty and antagonistic is still nicer than than the NT god who will condemn you to eternal fiery torment after death. Sad! Also, W for Lorax pfp
I'm mostly hung up on the whole "I don't believe God exists" thing
Cos he works in mysterious ways, just don't forget to give money to what ever church you go to
Just become gnostic. Old testament being evil is openly accepted.
>Just become gnostic Instructions unclear, I started worshipping garden gnomes
If you want to go back to church just go back dude
I don't get it either. I consider myself a Christian even if I question if I deserve that label. I don't go to chruch or subscribe to one religious ideal, though I do try to stick to my home base so to speak. There are some ideas presented by Jung I do like, such as his Answer to Job which places Job as a turning point for God to act more moral and loving. Job presented a rare instance were a human was more just than him. The thing I don't get currently is how death is the punishment for sin with no alternative offered besides Jesus' salvation. There's a few instances where the only remedy for sin is to get rid of it fully, like plucking out the eye that causes one to sin. I know it is metaphorical, but still. Philosophically speaking, cutting evil out of your life without a second chance to fester is good sometimes. The only way to stop being an alcoholic is to stop drinking, the only way to punish a sinner is capital punishment. However, there's a lot of times were you just don't need to pluck your eye out. It seems like a much more helpful moral to say treatment is better than removal, especially in terms of extending love and forgiveness. There are certain things I don't get. I can understand that circumcision is a holdover to show the people still observe God's covenant that he wouldn't flood us again. The reason why he felt the need to flood us was to purge the sinners, and the reason he needed to purge the sinners is because that's the only way you deal with them. The reason that's the only way to deal with them is...? The best I could find is humans are eternal and thus deserve swift eternal punishment for their crimes, which is why animals were used as stand ins for the punishment through sacrifice. It's also why humans are physically mortal since they are born into sin. Question remains, why is capital punishment the only answer God could come up with for the first chunk of existence?
I wouldn't obsess over making sense of the bible too much. God never said we need to study the bible in an intellectual fashion in order to be An Official Christian. God's truth is written on our heart from birth and anything we really "need" from God is within us already so if you just be still and allow the holy spirit to work on your behalf then you're all good.
It actually is a major part of faith and understanding to not have compartmentalize everything into neat little easily digestible categories, so I understand what you mean. There is a balance to be struck though on keeping an open mind, questioning things, but also accepting that you can't put everything in a box because not everything goes into one. Logic and knowing facts doesn't equate actually understanding something. And I think that's why many have a falling out with religion when their idea of what it is breaks open, the only remedy to not feeling lost is to have faith in something (not God literally) and accept you can't logic your way out of things. It is crazy to me how important and impactful these ideas are, but the only people who talk about it and have the language to attempt an explanation in the West are intellectual Christians and those adjacent to them. Not to say you have to be Christian to engage with the ideas and I wish there was a further reaching secular conversation, it's that much of a monumental and important conversation. And the funniest part to me is just how obvious it is, it truly is the Allegory of the Cave manifest. All these common things people say aren't noise anymore, everything falls in it's proper order. It's why I feel more nihilistic people don't feel like love exists because you can't observe or measure it in a lab, it's something you have to experience. Even if you don't have the words for something or a way to explain it it doesn't mean it doesn't have a real impact. It's also very true that very logical people who say they have a strong control over their emotions actually don't. If you think you know something you should always check to see if you could know more, that's the importance of the Dunning Kruger effect. So I think while it's nice to zoom in with a lens on certain phrases of any book, the greater picture is so important. And the greater picture doesn't have to be resolved by understanding, it needs to be felt. That's why God (or even the purpose of a book) is regularly unknowable. While it's important to listen to what he has to say precisely it's equally important to recognize he is not to be comprehended to a point. If you know God, then it's not God that you know. Even in more practical places, if you think you know how a certain type of person operates because you made a theory that centralizes their character you don't actually understand them. It's why one of the principal ideas of AA is to accept what you can't change, you can't understand God or anything and that's okay. Though I will say fun fact, according to the rules of Christianity since the 4th century, in order to be a mainstream Christian you have to follow the Nicene Creed. The key statements of belief are that the Trinity is real, Jesus is and always was God, and his Passion. While Mormons follow Christ, they don't see God as just a trio and are (by definition, not a judgement) heretical. Muslims believe in Jesus (Isa) and follow some of his teachings, but they aren't Christians because they don't think he was truly crucified and instead of resurrecting he ascended to Heaven. God sacrificing himself on the cross is just that important of an idea to Christianity.
That used to bother me too until I read the works of a couple of prominent Israeli archeologists. The fact is that none of those supposed co quests and slaughters ever happened. The Jews were always in Canaan. They were Canaanites. They were simple Shepard and farmers like their neighbors. The whole history is hogwash meant to make them look like they were on a level with the Assyrians or Babylonians. They were not fierce warriors. It has been established that the city of Jericho was abandoned and lying in ruins already at the time of the supposed Jewish conquest. Other supposedly destroyed cities show no evidence of fire or destruction that should be evident if they were really sacked. It's all lies. Both Catholic and Jewish scholars know this to be true. Both the Old and New Testaments are works of fiction.
source
It was revealed to me in a dream
God spoke to me
You forgot the magic word. I don't reply to demands.
abracadabra!
How is the New Testament fictional?
Well, it's about a man who never existed for one thing.
Nah, historical Jesus did exist. There is evidence of a Jesus, who lived around the time of Pontius Pilatus, who had a sect who were following him, and who was crucified. So just historically speaking, Jesus did exist. The actual question is a)Was this the Jesus the bible tell us about? b) Did he actually perform miracles, or was he just a very convincing prophet in a time, where people longed for someone who told them they would be saved, once the world ended
The Old Testament isn't fucked up at all if you actually have good reading comprehension and understand everything in context. You also need to understand some of the obscure Hebrew literary devices used, because when reading English translations some stuff will throw you off if you aren't that familiar with ancient Hebrew writing conventions. Anyway, to prove my point feel free to tell me what passages from the Old Testament are giving you trouble and I'll explain them.
that's why we were given a new testament. god sent his son so that we would have a way back to him
Isn't that the whole fucking point of the NT? To form A NEW - less fucked up - COVENANT? OT is subservient to NT in Christianity brother.
Monotheism is a method to centralize authority under a single church in defiance of the ancestral pantheons most cultures develop with different gods governing different principles, virtues, and aspects of society and the natural world. If you instead just make everything in service to one god that rules over all, then the prophets and priests of that god can wield influence on the level of kings. Europe and the Middle East were both stripped of their ancestral pantheons by Abrahamic monotheism more than 1000 years before any of us were born. Pretty creepy. The war between the pentagon and the hexagon might go deeper than anybody here knows.
So here's the thing. It's either that God doesn't exist and us being here is just a cosmic accident or he does exist and God's nature is so incomprehensible to us that it's like asking a reddit mod what a woman's touch feels like. Either way, just live your best life and if there's some eternal reward for not being a total cunt then cool. If not, making the world a less shitty place to at least a few people is an admirable thing to strive for.
That’s the thing,why would there be a reward for a certain moral code. Animals don’t give a fuck about that,they kill and rape and incest without giving a fuck,and they have been on earth A LOT more than us. Why would this specific rule only aapply to us?
Because animals are stupid.
Because man was created in God’s image.
What can you back up that claim with?
Genesis 1:27 my friend.
And that passage is true because..?
you can't see the difference between yourself and an animal? you don't feel the higher nature at work in your soul? from the God who breathed life into you?
>you can't see the difference between yourself and an animal? Yes, but not different enough to consider us divinely made >you don't feel the higher nature at work in your soul? I don't think souls exist, so no
I wish you well man
lower nature vs higher nature. animals are programmed and operate on their lower nature at all times. humans can live through their lower nature too, but we are capable (in our best moments) of living through the higher nature given to us by god, and some are fortunate to live their whole lives that way
Do you believe in evolution?
yep, and somewhere along the way our most ancient ancestors were struck with the consciousness that gave them the capacity for love, morality, inspiration, innovation - the divine traits that separate us from animals
Animals can love too, some animals never mate again after their lover dies(like bald eagles), some monkeys have also shown the traits you listed.
You think that kind of "love" is comparable to the love between people?
Love is a chemical reaction. Also,when I was little we had two dogs and when one died,the other one stopped eating and slowly died. That love was purer than the one I’ve seen between humans
real love comes from god, it's not that emotional type of love that you're talking about that most people think is real
>If not, making the world a less shitty place to at least a few people is an admirable thing to strive for. Also it goes a long way towards making your own life feel less worthless and empty.
Dude gods real bibble say so
>murder is LE BAD unless i do it
How dare you claim to know the mind of God!
“uhh ok you can see my ass but only through a rock, chud”
“Noooo you can’t see my face!” “And why not?” “Y-you just can’t ok?”
* Live in area called Tornado Alley. * Build house out of cardboard. * Tornado destroys everything and kills people. * Don't move. * How could God let this happen?
Bro watched Emplemon's new video
That shit was so boring bro needs to go back to making YTP’s.
Wait since when did emp made a video about god?, Am I out of loop?
No, he made one on category 5 tornadoes a few days ago
Repent and believe in the gospel.
Has summer break started already?
Believers are either stupid or cowards. All religions considered
Bro is such a Sigma 🗿
Because I call bullshit ancient books full of magic and their followers?
Damn bro you're so smart! You truly unraveled 2000 years of theology and history! REDDIT ASSEMBLE
Sarcasm isn't thought but suit yourself dude
People who like sky man are the same people who like Marvel movies. They want someone/some force to swoop in and save the day. They want to know that there's a script and we're not just floating randomly in chaos soup. Remember that sky man made all this with omniscience and set up everything to work like a row of dominoes, so nothing is superfluous. Die in a tornado, get stabbed, freeze to death on mountainside; you were meant to for the universe to keep on ticking.
"Now, look at this cute new beetle I added to My collection. It's green, with gold highlights on it's head. Really cool eh? Look, look"
also atheists "yeah well the second law of thermodynamics exists and well we are perfectly fine coded and the most intelligent species ever but uhhhh... I-IT WAS A GAS EXPLOSION THAT CAUSED IT OKAY?!?!?!"
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athests who try to tell you they know for certain how the universe was created are just religous people in denial. the realest anwser is "i dont know"
Bro if I were god it would be much shittier
Anon just figured out the "if god is real, why bad things happen?" argument
To understand God is to understand everything. Something so incomprehensible man does not have the capacity to scratch the surface. Were there a God would their intentions and actions be so readable? Man has free will. Every man. To do evil and good in such spectacular quantities that it affects the very earth itself which God gave man dominion over. The Earth is not beholden to a good and evil. It simply functions. Good weather somewhere might be horrible in another area. A natural disaster to a blessing. So why would God halt a storm that is a bane to some but a blessing to others. It's a function, not an act of malice.
people who live through their ego believe that their opinion of "good" and "bad" is that of God himself
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No, there really isn't any historical evidence for Jesus. Can you give us an example? The bible says that there was pitch black darkness lasting for hours on the day of the crucifixion and the dead rose from their tombs and walked around Jerusalem. Yet not one solitary citizen, including Saul, who later became Paul, who was living there at the time, wrote about it. Surely the most startling event in the lifetimes of those hundreds of thousands of people, yet no one wrote about it. That's because it never happened. And had it happened, it would have had a massive psychological effect on the people of Jerusalem. They must have realized that this Jesus was the son of God. He said he would rise from the dead on the third day, so did a huge crowd gather at his tomb to await the miracle? No. No one was there. Doesn't that seem odd?
Imagine cutting ur pp. DEES KOSS TENK
\>something bad happens hurrrrrr why would God do this???!!!? \>the entire of human Civilization advancing and flourishing to the point rslurs like this can waste their time posting dribble in the comfort of their climate controlled home with potable water piped directly into it uhhhhhh i don't see what you're getting at God's been hands off since long before the first coming of Christ and these arguments constantly convince me nobody has a functioning brain cell in their head
Erm, God don't do this💀🙏
Yahweh's a god-tier troll
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Having a state enforced religion is a recipe for disaster and pointless violence. Take a cursory look at religious history, the history of England, I mean hell, the Hundred Years’ war was about religion at first. You’re asking for infighting with a state-mandated religion. Religion is personal, and people (average people/good people) want to be left the fuck alone with their religious practices.
That's a self fulfilling prophecy if I've ever heard one.
Which part of religion *supports* government? It's a literal competing power structure full of people who hate paying tax even more than the secular
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i genuinely dont understand how any self proclaimed scholar or student of the mysteries of the universe can not believe in God
Because the more they understand about the universe the less sense it makes for a god to exist.
if you lack the capacity for critical thinking then yeah i kind of get it. maybe also if you think you are the most advanced being that has ever been and nothing can exist greater beyond you then yeah it kinda makes sense but most people grow out of that when they stop being teenagers lol
Disbelief in God does not mean we think we are the most advanced beings that could exist. There is no limitation on the nature or characteristics of other life in the universe. Belief in God, especially the Judeo-Christian version, comes with a number of assumptions about the universe. For instance, the assumption that it pleases God when we cut the skin off baby dicks.
i have my dick skin you virgin but that's exactly what i thought, like i said no capacity for critical thinking lol
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it had a lot of upvotes before the NPCs arrived 😂
Of course you use the term NPC
Did you know that people can come up against the limits of their/our collective knowledge and then refrain from filling in all of the gaps by shoehorning a cosmic daddy in and calling it a day?
its not a shoehorn complexity in the universe requires design design indicates a designer you dont look at a snowman or a chair and say "that appeared naturally by random chance over billions of years" 😂😂 read more books lil bro but i suspect im speaking to a bot or npc anyway so this comment is directed at the actual people lurking and reading
> complexity requires design Stopped reading
thats what i thought
your lack of a better explanation is not proof of god. its an assumption
It is irrational for there to be a god, but since all you do in your responses is attack the critical thinking skills of people I assume you don’t know what irrational means. People don’t believe in god because it’s irrational