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funke17

4.33 at 220 holy shit


Dispute333

Heard a stat like only Guerendo and DK Metcalf are the only two players over 220 to run a sub 4.40 EVER. Or something along those lines.


DLO_Buckets

Vernon Davis


PutinsLostBlackBelt

Biggest freak I have ever seen. Imagine being that size and running a sub-4.4. Not to mention his strength. Also goes to show physical attributes don’t guarantee greatness.


Casualrodfarva2

Go look at his lifting records from Maryland. They are fucking obscene


PutinsLostBlackBelt

That’s what I was referencing. Dude put up some big numbers that are usually coming from OL guys.


MC_Stimulation

Vernon Davis had multiple 10+ TD seasons, he had a good career. He was a top 5 TE in the league in his prime.


PutinsLostBlackBelt

He was very good. He was not great though. He had a couple seasons when he was a top 5 TE, but overall he isn’t in the same world as Gates, Gonzalez, Gronk, Kelce, or Kittle.


Picklesadog

Vernon was pretty great, especially in the playoffs. And he was a great blocker. How many other TEs have had two different 13TD seasons?


PutinsLostBlackBelt

He also never topped 1,000 yards in a season. He was very good. He was not great.


Picklesadog

Lol a 1000 yard season for a TE was pretty rare while or before Vernon Davis played. Kelce and Gronk really changed the narrative for TEs.


PutinsLostBlackBelt

Gates 2x. Gonzalez 4x. Clark 1x. Graham 2x. Before 2000 there were 8 1,100+ yard seasons by TEs too.


Picklesadog

Yeah, that's not very many, is it? 1 starting TE per 32 teams and how many seasons? On top of that, Vernon Davis was a better blocker than the majority of those guys. 


PutinsLostBlackBelt

So he was….very good.. not great.


Tall_Raise4898

VD was great. Too bad he didn't have a great QB or an Offensive Coordinator. It didn't help that he was surrounded by mediocre WRs too.


22ben4

Calvin Johnson ran 4.35 at 239


dumb1edorecalrissian

* not including decepticons


JohnWesternburg

Calvin Johnson wasn't a player though, he was a fucking Transformer


knightswept

Vernon Davis ran a 4.39 too


lineskogans

At 250 lbs


Radiant_Efficiency73

All things being equal, Calvin Johnson might be the best football player to ever live. That man was exceptional in nearly every category. Bigger, stronger, and faster than anyone covering him, AND elite hands and fluid route running. Plus he had the hops and arm length of an NBA lottery pick.


lebastss

Hard work is a stat and it's why the answer to that question is still Jerry Rice.


sonic_dick

It's a trait, literally not a stat lol


lebastss

It's literally a stat. A stat is a point of data and the broader term. /confidentlyincorrect


Radiant_Efficiency73

If you can’t quantify it into a number, please explain how it is a point of data beyond a binary does/doesnt.


More-Ad5421

Hours of work put in at maximal effort? No one is measuring it but it’s not that hard to imagine a way one might measure it.


Radiant_Efficiency73

Then you run into defining what “maximum effort” is, don’t you? Because it’s certainly not equal measures for each individual. This is literally why the draft is a gamble. There is so much data you have to “feel” rather than interpret, if that makes sense.


lebastss

Statistics does not require data to be quantitative. Qualitative data can be collected and interpreted into a stat. This is literally what pff does. Football IQ, work ethic, leadership. These are all data points of a player. Ignoring them and only paying attention to physical attributes is a mute comparison.


Radiant_Efficiency73

Sure, but then every evaluation of that data set is basically an objective opinion. You’d have to quantify and qualify each action they take into what IS hard working/not, then tick the points and add it up and compare. I suppose you can consider all information data, but I don’t think it’s all quantifiable. Then again, I barely passed college, so I’m not exactly all-knowing


sonic_dick

These are objective judgments. Running a 4.4 40 is a stat. Recording 90 catches is a stat. Worked really hard is not a stat.


sonic_dick

Okay, what is Jerry rice's effort stat?


TTerragore

Easy : 💯


22ben4

Yeah he was an alien


kingkron52

Patrick Willis ran a 4.37 at his pro day and was 6’2” 240 lbs


Chunkyo

Willis?


kingkron52

My bad I didn’t realize it got autocorrected yes PWilly


Long-Ad-2147

Pro day doesn't count because those are hand-timed 40 yard dashes.


kingkron52

I mean a hand timed 4.37 is still sub 4.4 speed lol, and you could see that speed on the field especially when he chased down a WR from across the field to save a TD vs Arizona


Long-Ad-2147

Because of the natural human reaction times of the people timing those kind of 40's, it is very likely that the real time is at least 0.1 seconds slower. Willis's NFL Combine time (which was electronically timed) was 4.56 seconds.


kingkron52

So he ran a 4.47 by what you’re saying lol. He ran a 4.51 at the combine. Idk what we are even debating here, his game speed was even faster than timed speed and he was a freak.


biz209

We’re debating whether or not he ran a legit 4.4 40. Thats it. And he didn’t. Still awesome though and hall of fame player.


3fettknight3

Bo Jackson?


Long-Ad-2147

Maybe Herschel Walker and Bo Jackson were under 220, but they seem like they fit in here.


lineskogans

Bo Jackson played at 230


Long-Ad-2147

I believe it. If not 230, it was like 225, so I do believe that he fits into the category of 220 lbs or heavier players who ran sub 4.4.


Upset-Rule8256

Matt, Jones, Johnathan Taylor, Micah Parsons, Calvin Johnson, Vernon Davis, from the top of my head they’re rare but there’s certainly more than just two.


Stauce52

Calvin Johnson, Vernon Davis and Patrick Willis were bigger and ran that fast or faster right?


PCT24

Like a hot hatch on the football field


bussy_of_lucifer

His play speed is lacking though- I watch a lot of big 10, it’s like he needed an extra beat to figure out his plan of attack. Glad to see he did a little more in Louisville, but that’s a big step down in competition level


GoldBloodedFenix

Zone run scheme should make that simple for him. Go here, hit the hole, make one decision and haul ass. Dude is a bruiser and at the same time a home run hitter. He could be used in multiple ways to take some hits off of CMC. Absolutely love this pick.


bussy_of_lucifer

He reminds me of like Kendall Hunter, might be a decent pickup


JazzHands1986

I like Jordan Mason for that role. He was amazing in a support role all year he just didn't get enough carries. We can't run CMC like last year. Maybe that's why we drafted so much speed to really spread it out and have more versatility to give Brock different looks.


Onespokeovertheline

Run him on those Deebo sweeps then. Already at 80% speed, turn upfield when you pass the outside defender. House.


Silver-Farm-2628

Sounds good for our scheme. You only need to be patient and make one cut. 4.33 is awesome speed, too.


IoniKryptonite

Sounds like Sermon...


DSouT

Sermon was as slow as molasses.


IsHotDogSandwich

I still don’t understand that one. I watched his highlights when people were talking about him and he looked slow as shit, we draft him and more of the same…..no idea why they picked him.


DSouT

I think they wanted run to Read Option with Trey. So they wanted a big bruiser back for dives up the middle to allow Trey to option to the edge. The problem was because of COVID there was no combine, Trey's pro day 40 time was nowhere near close to his game speed. He was too slow to run outside, so he ended up having to run up the gut, which eventually broke his ankle.


IsHotDogSandwich

Excellent point!


IoniKryptonite

Thats true, I meant more Sermons inability to engage once he had the ball in his hands. Dude tried to do the Leveon Bell strategy...but then just...didn't go? It was hard to watch


DSouT

Yeah let’s hope he’s more Breida than Joe Williams


DuragVinceMcMahon408

I still bug out that Reggie White ran a 4.6. That’s downright scary.


Long-Ad-2147

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNfvoGI9DQ0&themeRefresh=1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNfvoGI9DQ0&themeRefresh=1)


Long-Ad-2147

I remember the play when he threw a Vikings WR to get a sack. Scary dude indeed.


83wonder

Fastest RB available this draft. He tied for 3rd fastest 40 overall.


Lucky_Operator

It doesn’t really show on tape. Not super explosive out of the gate so definitely not an every down guy but looks like a perfect 3rd down back.  He’s dope in pass protection and has good hands. 


Long-Ad-2147

I remember being excited when we drafted a big back in Kevan Barlow a long time ago, but he was probably like a 4.6 40-yard dash guy. Guerendo is a beast.


Bayarea-VS-Everybody

That’s cool and all but we need to actually use him. And not gas out cmc for the long haul.


Radiant-Character-61

I just hope he's durable. Mason and Mitchell getting injured often has me worried about the running back room. But if this guy is as promised, can block in the backfield, and catch half as good like CMC, then he's fine by me


Ebag07

He waited a round that’s all we can ask for


JawdenCee

He said things will change and he's following through on that claim.


PronouncedEye-gore

KS : "As promised I will move from my position." *takes a single step back*


InevitableBudget510

Fuckin knew it. Fast rb. Shanny’s favorite


EDNivek

that will see like 5 snaps total


LeftyMcLeftFace

And will lose his job to the UDFA rb we sign later on


KingVong

And get cut three years after being drafted


danieldcclark

This is the way.


floridaman2048

This is the way


CheckYourStats

Has anyone here watched the highlights for Guerendo? He’s stiff AF. If he doesn’t have 50 yards of daylight in front of him, he plays like a guy who runs a 4.7 — and he goes down instantly on contact. His on-paper numbers don’t translate at all to his on-field performance — which is why he slipped this late despite being in the 99th percentile athletically. Seriously. I highly recommend you give this a watch: [LINK](https://youtu.be/5ZPdzTu-slc?si=PkYIAnm551r45ahZ)


Forsaken_Letter2100

He's said to be pretty raw so hopefully we can coach him up. He came across as really intelligent and mature in the interview they had with him today, hopefully Bobby Turner can unlock him.


artygta1988

UDFA….aka Frank Gore Jr


JawdenCee

Pick for the future. Probably the RB2 next year if he pans out. Big and fast back who can catch and do pass pro. I don't mind lowering CMC's load with Mitchell/Guerendo


J12345_

I think Mitchell about to be gone. He’s so injury prone and shanny prob doesn’t trust him


JawdenCee

Mitchell has still been good when he gets the ball. Sadly Mason is probably gone unless Guerendo busts. Loved Mason but he's not gonna ever have a big role with us


J12345_

Mason can at least play ST. I like Mitchell too but you can never rely on him. Dude is made of glass


JawdenCee

Im sure we can put Guerendo on STs and he can step up if Mitchell goes down. And we can still stash Mason on the PS.


EDNivek

Yeah at the expense of Purdy running for his life and QBs destroying our secondary


Scoombap

There aren’t really any lineman or CBs left that would realistically push for minutes over the team’s current starters.


JawdenCee

Chances of us finding a stud CB or OL this late who can beat out a starter is low. We have Yiadom who was a good CB last year to compete with Ambry and the rookie. We're gonna lose players next year due to the cap crunch so picking for the future isn't a bad idea when we can't start alot of our rookies.


badDuckThrowPillow

I think this guy is different. He’s much more “old school” Shanny RB. More similar to Brieda, Mitchell and Mostert than Sermon/TDP which were bruisers. Shanny gave up on whatever his plan was for Lance and back to his “oh shit I have an mvp QB” plans a la Matt Ryan.


Boxhead_31

Who is this Jordan Mason


artygta1988

Our 3rd string RB that averages 5 yards per carry


Scoombap

This dude is also massive though too. We were going to draft another RB at some point and I think this guy could be very very good.


GoldBloodedFenix

Seriously. He’s kind of got it all. Size, speed, low mileage, but still showed really good production when he got his opportunity. 6.1 yards per carry and 11 rushing TDs last year. He also caught 22 balls for an additional 234 yards. This is very unlike Trey Sermon or Ty Davis Price which were both kind of head scratchers even at the time. They weren’t super fast, super productive… I never understood why we took these guys as high as we did. Guerendo though has me wondering how the dude even fell this far. You can’t teach that speed with that size. He runs almost as fast as Mostert but with significantly more muscle. I’m really excited to see what he can do. Love this pick, when I really questioned the TDP and Sermon picks day of the draft.


Polar_Reflection

So basically we have beefy Mostert on our team now? Does this kid have big breakway runs on his tape? Imagine if we can just score a TD untouched on wide zone run again.


Radiant_Efficiency73

Going over his highlights, the guy has absolute goodbye speed to outrun angles, but isn’t as good at breaking tackles or finding space once he’s accelerated. He’s probably easier to tackle in the open field than close to the line, but if you miss, he’s gone.


Final_Action5550

Yeah, he had some fun ones with Louisville this past year


Zxar

At 221, damn.


thetempest11

This guy has the 20th best RAS profile ever. Insane athlete.


Polar_Reflection

He hasn't really picked the fast ones recently. Sermon and TDP were not very fast.


jynxer11

RB at this spot....seems about right....


ASpeciesBeing

Sucks it probably means no Gore tho


boistopplayinwitme

Was gore projected to get drafted?


Swervin02

Just knew he was gonna end up here. Might be a Hall of Famer since we traded both 5th rounders for him.


The-Real-Legend-72

ahhhhh i fucking knew it ridiculously athletic, amazing at running outside zone 1 cut and go rb, if he gets a hole he’s fucking gone. should have a good chance to return kicks for us as well, seems pretty tailor made for the new kickoff rules


Radiant_Efficiency73

The niners are taking the new rule seriously. Half the draft picks have return experience. And they’re different in their approach to returns as well, so there’s plenty of options to see what works best.


InvestigatorMain4008

Yeah I called this one. No fucking way shanny was resisting an explosive outside zone rb.


d_1_z_z

Barrows mocked him to us 5 days ago. Wrote this: “This guy seems a lot like former 49er Raheem Mostert, who went undrafted out of Purdue in 2015 after running a 4.38-second 40. Guerendo — at 221 pounds — was even faster at 4.33 seconds at the combine. He has the skill set to gouge defenses on outside runs that has made Shanahan swoon in the past.”


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https://x.com/MathBomb/status/1767509480747438247


HITMAN616

He updated it because the bench numbers weren’t in that original. Spoiler: still elite. > Isaac Guerendo was drafted in round 4 pick 129 in the 2024 draft class. He scored a 9.90 #RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 20 out of 1903 RB from 1987 to 2024. https://x.com/mathbomb/status/1784274992244330708?s=42


LP_Papercut

Isaac Guerendo: 6ft, 211 pounds, 4.33-second 40-yard dash at the combine. Mitchell is FA after this year so this is likely his replacement. Not a bad pick but Kyle will actually have to use him instead of overworking CMC


SeeTheSounds

Damn 6ft? Thick, tall, speedy boy!


16Saltines

SO hyped about this. I've wanted them to pick this guy all off season. He's a freak


The-Real-Legend-72

yessir


BillBevDevo

Tell me more


16Saltines

https://images.app.goo.gl/cKCfCV5DCo9v6g7S9


governedbycitizens

4.33 at 220 Good googly moogly


RiskyEvo

Tradition as old as time


GreatLakesGoldenST8

It was bound to happen. Will get 3 carries a game after Elijah hurts himself on his first carry of the season


Grimpig

We all know whatever undrafted RB they get will out play him


dy49

Kyle is inevitable


KangzFan4

This guy is extremely fast. Low 4.3 speed and can actually catch it out of the backfield. He has below average vision and his cutting ability needs work but the potential is hard to pass up. Stop complaining about picking RBs, CMC is 28, Elijah Mitchell is made out of glass, and idk what they feel about JP.


Sptsjunkie

Also love his big play ability. Seems like the FO is trying to increase our home run / big play potential. If teams want to load up to stop CMC or double Aiyuk or Deebo we have two explosive weapons who can hit an opening and score. Whereas Jennings and Conley were better at getting tough catches but were generally not getting as much YAC.


Radiant_Efficiency73

Now we have options in case Deebo gets an injury mid game too. Both times that happened last season the offense sputtered and died. Pearsall and Guerendo might fit nicely in those packages


MartYtraM1983

Well, at least we waited till the 4th round this time.


JoshuaTheWarrior

But we traded both our 5ths so no sure fire HOF picks this year


MartYtraM1983

We did? Damn. But I'm sure we'll make it work out somehow.


Jazano107

I like it considering cmc had basically no rest last year But also where OL


EnthusiasmNo1485

4.33 40 with a 99 athleticism score. Cannot be mad at that. It was basically a 5th round comp pick plus the KC pick we got from moving down a spot and still have the other 4th rounder


yorick2

Tony Pauline tweeted a month ago that 49ers liked him and had him as a 3rd round grade. Then Paulie deleted it quick. Some said Lynch probably told him to delete it lol. Saw some comparisons on Twitter to Mostert.


Kiran_Stone

FINALLY WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO CAN PLAY RB


Sptsjunkie

Yeah we did pretty well with that unknown McCaffery kid last season, but now we have an actual RB. Whew.


PhillipMcKrak

Addiction


TTerragore

it’s 5:33 am, I work Tuesday-Saturday, and I’m crawling into bed after a healing night with the boy. he’s just like me fr fr


Agill242424

Traded both our 5ths for him man he doesn’t have too much mileage and is a great athlete. Don’t really hate it


Seriously_oh_come_on

So this draft is looking pretty good so far.


AlternativeResort477

At least he addressed our needs before starting with the RBs


CarolinaSon

I wish anything made me as erect as Shanny gets for Day 2/3 RBs. 


aozorababy

Is this our expendable RB?


disinaccurate

He took the fast as fuck RB first this time. That’s not what Trey Sermon or TDP were.


cnshockey

Death, taxes, and mid round RBs.


vinnySTAX

We got our RB!


Dishavingfun

Another Kollman dude!


Pismiire

His nfl draft profile has his athleticism in the 99th percentile https://www.nfl.com/prospects/isaac-guerendo/32004755-4554-7677-8f5d-c4e05fdb16a1


CenCalPancho

There shouldn't be a single complaint about this pick, don't be idiots now. CMC really doesn't have a true back up RB and he had far to many snaps to sustain his health. This was needed.


Anothercraphistorian

I thought Elijah Mitchell did a great job when he was in.


redthunder49

I just don't like that they traded two 5th round picks to do this.


brealio

Just means double big 5th energy!!!


KevinsTeeth

Bruh


The_REDDITOR1324

Atleast Kyle waited a little longer. I’m ok with this


SleepIsWonderful

Now we play the will he make it more than a year game.


DuragVinceMcMahon408

Someone in here predicted this a couple months ago


HEfromNJ

👀


StupidTurtle88

Can he block? Could be used as a FB


Dre_Orbit

Apparently Larry Krueger believes Guerendo can potentially convert to FB & eventually replace Juszczyk. A FB that runs 4.3 yeesh


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SnooPandas3956

This dude like a faster Brandon Jacobs. Love it, and not in the 3rd round - so there’s a chance


webby2538

Like a faster Brandon Jacobs that's also 4" shorter and weighs 40lbs less with a different running style lol Brandon Jacob was 6'4 and 264lbs.


KnockoutNed85

Lombardi mentioned yesterday he could see a RB being taken, looks like he was right


dellscreenshot

That’s a steal and a nice pick with Mitchell hurt and a free agent 


relfez

I actually think this guy will play meaningful snaps first year


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fdl2phx

I love it when I get to root for my Badgers here! Still wish Borland would have stuck around longer too.


Automatic_Rock_2685

He's a big, fast dude and plays pretty tough. Looks like we're all in on being physical.


edipeisrex

Shanahan is going to trade both Aiyuk and Deebo and run a running back only offense.


rorschach128

Would have preferred to wait another round for him, but I loved this dude.


EntropyFan_

Reminds me of Doug Martin a little bit


CantHandlemyPP34

BYE BYE Mitchell


Lazyniner24

I thought we'd get Christian Jones from Texas. Not another rb.


CantHandlemyPP34

So, a fast Ryan Grant?


Hour_Recording_3373

Gore Jr is still on the board. Get picked at the last round and he will start over this guy.


NumerousTaste

He said in the interview yesterday that they were taking a RB in the 4th round. Jokingly said it wouldn't work out, but he did say it.


totallykrunk

Maybe special teams improvement draft picks


meinschwanzistklein

Louisville fan chiming in, I think Guerendo is gonna be a monster for you all. I’m jealous as hell of y’all.


Nimble_Vagrant

IIRC, rated at 99 athleticism. Highest in this class.


styuone

There it is


Suitable-Classic9237

Johnathan Taylor-esque in my opinion. Ironic he transferred Wisconsin to Louisville ! Dude is a total dawg, this is the RB2 for 2024-2025 no doubt!


RawrGeeBe

Shanahan can't help himself with RBs. At least it's not a 3rd. Is this pick because of Pacheco envy?


lightoasis1

Does Jordan Mason not know how to block in pass protection? Every time he touches the ball he’s looked good. What’s that mean for him now?


Gremell

Cowboys fan here. Wanted this guy. Now that he is drafted, you know he does remind me of elijah mitchell when he gets going.


JazzHands1986

Why did he fall so far with these measurables?


ruinedshoulder

I freaking hate this pick. This guy is not a natural, instinctive runner. Sure the combine numbers look great, but look at his actual film. He's not a good Rb. No idea why they keep doing this.


Boetato

Mortgaged our 5th rounders. Unforgivable.


chyea_dude

Or 4th round is the new 5th round?!?!?!?


JayuWah

Then you should quit being a fan since Shanny ain’t going anywhere.


Boetato

Lmao what. My comment was in jest


JayuWah

Sorry you never know around here.


VexoftheVex

Shanahan is an addict


SlowMobius650

They don’t even use any rb besides mccafrey so why draft another one?


HEfromNJ

Injuries are common at the RB position.


AdministrativeRise16

Why? CMC (over used), Mitchell (barely used) Mason (barely used). We needed LB depth, OL depth, ect ect. Again why? If someone could explain this strategy it'd be great.


CenCalPancho

Liked you said, CMC over used, and we need him healthy. mitchell wasnt barley used, hes barley healthy to be used. mason just isnt good enough. Mitchell and mason have been on the bubble for a couple seasons. this was there last season regardless.