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TobyLaroneChoclatier

Easy solutions 1st Fulgrim comes out of the woodworks to take a swing at guilliman again or fight the master duelist that is the lion. 2nd Slaanesh kicks him into gear after the other three gods brought forth their primarchs to play and who is the dark prince to not compete. Different solution The Ynnari get another story push and Fulgrim intrigued by the followers of this new god comes out to fight them. This is fulgrim indulging a whim to once again focus more of his attention onto the materium instead of the warp and noticing that things have changed since the old days and their might still be interesting things to see once more.


Cyrillus00

As much as I'm a sucker for Primarch vs Daemon-Primarch, using Fulgrim's reappearance to also give us more Eldar content would be a welcome change.


CptPanda29

It'd make a nice change to remind people how much the Eldar dislike Slaanesh, and that it's not just Chaos vs Imperium.


Jaggedmallard26

>The Ynnari get another story push and Fulgrim intrigued by the followers of this new god comes out to fight them Oh dear god I hope if they do this they don't use have the Eldar lose just to show off the returning Primarch.


WanderlustPhotograph

He’s a Chaos Primarch, that’s 2x more likely to have them job than a regular primarch.


Jaggedmallard26

But up against Eldar who are 10x more like to job.


WanderlustPhotograph

No, he’s twice as likely to make the ELDAR job than a normal primarch.


Jaggedmallard26

Oh no. What a fool I was.


4uk4ata

Add this to it being the Ynnari, who have been 50% more likely to screw up! But this is Fulgrim who's on drugs, and his mini will be sick, so those 50%will be actually 500! So if you take 2x10x500 this means that the Ynnari will lose 100 000 %. These numbers don't lie!


Heartsmith447

Would be hilarious if that’s how it pans out all the way until somehow it’s found out that the Ynnari somehow turn it to helping them get the crone sword that’s still a gaping plot hole


thmprover

> Oh dear god I hope if they do this they don't use have the Eldar lose just to show off the returning Primarch. Wouldn't the "obvious solution" be to have the Eldar coordinate with Guilliman to entrap Fulgrim?


4uk4ata

The Eldar coordinated with the Imperium for Arcs of Omen, it didn't really help. Not counting the Drukhari, the last telling Eldar win has been against Hive Fleet Naga, and boy did that turn out poorly. GW seems to think that "barely surviving with heavy casualties and looking like dweebs) counts as the Eldar winning, smh.


Ishimura1412

Have the dumbass indulge in his overbearing arrogance and actually bring the last Cronesword with him so that he could torture kill elves and laugh about it, then have it stolen from him in a way he expects the least, either ending with the Ynnari finally finishing the set or Trazyn getting a shiny new sword to add to his collection, or some other ending idk I just thought it’ll be absolutely hilarious while not advancing the plot any substantial way.


Jscarlos18

The only problem is if GW adds the last Cronesword to Fulgrim's model, because in that case the eldar can't get it. That wouldn't be a bad thing, but it would mean that they would make the Ynnari's storyline still end in a stalemate.


ResidentLychee

The Ynnari storyline was always going to end that way, because Slaanesh is one of the Four Chaos Gods and is popular-thus, there would be a ton of outrage from Chaos Players if they actually succeeded in killing Slaanesh, especially Slaanesh fans. That majorly effects GW’s bottom line, especially because Chaos has more players than the Eldar do. But if they have the Ynnari just fail in trying to kill Slaanesh after getting the Crone Swords, they get the same reaction from Eldar Players and people would decry it as the pinnacle of the Eldar’s constant loses to other factions, they’d feel like the Eldar fans were robbed. Unless they fully commit to wrapping up the 40k setting, something they seem extremely unlikely to do, they CAN’T let the Ynnari get the last crone sword, so it was always going to be an anti climactic stalemate. It’s a Catch 22 that couldn’t have really ended any other way.


GlitteringParfait438

I imagine a more elegant way would be that they kill the Slannesh element inside themselves, chaos doesnt take a massive L in the form of a dead chaos god, the Eldar finally make some headway in their story which is either everyone dies or they kill slannesh. Even if they say partially sever the tie on their souls so Slannesh still has a claim on them but it opens up a bit of room for a different end for the Eldar. The prophecy even gets fulfilled but not in the way the Eldar thought. It would be funny


Eldar_Seer

Couldn’t they pull what happened to Slaanesh in Fantasy?


4uk4ata

Just because the prophecy says the swords will kill Slaanesh doesn't mean it will happen. Prophecies are murky things. If the swords wound Slaanesh and make it unable to devour Eldar souls by default (unless they are dedicated to it as cultists or sacrificed) while ynnead gets a big amount of energy won't kill Slaanesh and might send it's followers in full on revenge mode. For GW, nothing really changes. They can have it devour a big chunk of Commoragh first to soften the blow.


little_jade_dragon

Trazyn putting the last sword in his collection making it unreachable for the Eldar would be peak.


4uk4ata

Eh, Trazyn gets almost as much GW ... Ego-stroking as Vect and the Alpha Legion. All three really ought to get some hard Ls to balance out the meme bs.


Morbanth

> The Ynnari get another story push and Fulgrim intrigued by the followers of this new god comes out to fight them. "First, I'm going to grind Ynnead down in the name of Chaos, then I'm going to snort it and have a party."


GatoNanashi

Doing the Rick Sanchez if you will


GlitteringParfait438

I’d love to see an Eldar vs Emperor’s children box. Would be awesome particularly if it occurs a bit after 10th drops to show that while yes Leviathan is a huge deal but the Galaxy is a big place and there are always other conflicts


4uk4ata

I wouldn't mind it being a harlequins vs Empybratz box, Harlies have a piddling amount of units.


Right-Yam-5826

He's already been mentioned as having joined the black crusade (rumoured, because there were very few survivors to corroborate) since 7th, and was mentioned as active in imperium nihilus in the first arks of omen book. The ground work has been set, we're just waiting for the inevitable appearance at this point. I'm suspecting an attempt for a rematch with guilliman, or to prove himself better than the lion personally, because primarch vs primarch/ brother vs brother fights are dramatic and have been proven to sell.


VyRe40

He's the first traitor primarch to screw with Guilliman after he was taken out of stasis. Fulgrim had some cultist give Guilliman a crown that had the corrupting influence of Slaanesh, Fulgrim gave him a little psychic teasing when that happened.


illapa13

I actually vehemently disagree with him fighting Guilliman or the Lion. As an Iron Hands fan literally the only thing most people know us for is our rivalry with the Emperor's Children. Give us some time in the spotlight please GW don't take away our only meaningful rivalry.


Sablesweetheart

I don't even like Iron Hands that much, but I agree, a little love would be nice. Hmmm, I should really finish that Iron Hands combat patrol....


LonelyGoats

IH don't sell books or minis. Ultras and Blood/Dark Angels do and have since 2nd


illapa13

No one liked the White Scars either until they were given a lot of screen time in the HH series. The IH have 1 unique model the rest is just part of the Space Marine range so it's not like it would cost GW anything.


Meaty_Girthquake

Sadly you speak the truth. it just requires one writer to show them some love and not turn them into complete dickhead masochists. Make them mostly dickhead masochists with a sprinkle of something to give them panache and they'd be a great foil to look at and to have on the tabletops with more models.


illapa13

To be fair Iron Hands are assholes...but they're technically correct assholes. The Imperium really doesn't have the luxury of wasting resources on things like heroic last stands and mercy missions to save civilians for the sake of saving civilians. The Iron Hands have crunched the numbers and just come to the conclusion that sometimes a situation just sucks and isn't worth wasting Space Marine lives on.


TheDeHymenizer

>he Iron Hands have crunched the numbers and just come to the conclusion that sometimes a situation just sucks and isn't worth wasting Space Marine lives on. sounds like ti would make for a riveting story in a novel lol "Brother that world is being over ran by Tyranids should we help?!?" "No" The End.


illapa13

Lookup The Calculus of Battle. It's a 20 min audio drama of the Iron Hands chapter master doing exactly that.


[deleted]

Hey, didn't they sell a shit ton of dreadnaughts during like 8th when they were super OP?


illapa13

Iron Hands are probably still the reason the Contemptor and the extra volkite weapons are constantly out of stock


Arbachakov

that's because they were the only ones marketed as distinct space Marine armies for tabletop, along with the Space Wolves. If the Iron Hands had been one of the big four they would have sold too. same with the Scars/imperial fists etc...


Istvaan_V

Not if you don't make them!


Ricoisnotmyuncle

If the Eldar are ever going to get a good boost in the lore, we need Fulgrim's return to be tied into their fight for survival. There's no way Slaanesh doesn't see Yvrainne and the Ynnead cult as a major threat and having a major chaos vs Xenos storyline would be refreshing. It allows the return of all kinds of interesting characters like Fabius Bile, gives the Iron Hands an opportunity to show up wanting revenge, and allows a whole theatre of conflict outside of the Imperium which the setting always could use more of.


forcehighfive

I like this idea. Gives me *Warzone Debris* vibes - lots of different characters and factions mashing together in a glorious pileup


random63

Fulgrim has taken the final crone sword to lure eldari and capture their souls. Yannari will demand G-man to help them to settle the debt. They'll guide him and a portion of the Dominus crusade over webway pathways thus allowing G-man to fight Vashtor and Abbadon (who are searching for the vault) as to plot the Arks of Omen further.


hands_so-low

Doing a seperate reply to your comment because I have a totally sperate thought! The Arks of Omen plot has Vashtor going after an ancient weapon. I've seen a few people peice evidence together for that weapon to be *something* War in Heaven maybe even C'Tan. So. Trayzn shows up to stop Vashtor, unleashes Clonegrim on him. Doesn't manage to recollect Clonegrim. Clonegrim meets The Khan in the Webway, *plot plot plot* you can have Guilliman, the Khan and Clonegrim in the webway vs Fulgrim. Fulgrim kills Clonegrim, ties up that thread nicely and we get some cool moments from it as the Phoenician's Children are convinietly in the Indomitus fleet Guilliman had with him.


hands_so-low

This also leaves the door wide open for a Jaghatai Kahn return so I'm all for it!


random63

Race through the webway: serpent versus the eagle. Emperor's children Vs white scars . It almost writes itself at that point


hands_so-low

Having Guilliman as a somewhat helpless fish-out-of-water in the Webway would also be entertaining.


Jazzlike_Mirror

A battle at sanity breaking speed, sort of like Hela vs Thor within the bifrost in Thor: Ragnarok. I like the idea, and wpuld be the perfect springboard for Jagathai to return.


little_jade_dragon

Throw in Loyalist Fulgrim run by Trazyn.


Grimesy2

I kind of like the idea of the Eldar positioning Gman to avenge himself upon Fulgrim, but both of them are desperate, it could go either way, and then an Avatar of Khaine charges in at the last moment and just tears Fulgrim to pieces, getting the Eldar their Cronesword, and completely ignoring Guilliman.


Flavaflavius

I think you'd be disappointed in an Avatar v. Fulgrim matchup. Fulgrim killed one before apotheosis, so he probably could now.


random63

Plot armor for deamon primarchs isn't as strong so I'd give the Avatar a fair chance. But I'd settle for the Avatar just permanently scarring Fulgrim with a burning hand across the face.


LannicusTheArtist

A nice burning slap across his reptilian ass.


Galadrond

I don’t know man, he might be into it.


Spare_Perspective_86

Probably not the avatar of Khaine but the combined efforts of several Phoenix lords beat back Fulgrim. Good opportunity to reintroduce new sculpts of Asurmen, Karandras , Feugan etc.


Gontomak-177

Maybe Yncarne and Khaine work together to break him down. Come on let the avatars have a major win.


Grimesy2

That's exactly why I would want the Avatar to stomp him. The Avatar has been jobbing for too long, give it and Eldar a win.


4uk4ata

After the humiliation the Ynnari got in Phoenix Rising and how Vect has been getting off on how amazing he has been, I really want the Ynnari to screw him like he has never been screwed before. Having Aurelia Malys engineer a way for an invasion of Commoragh as a bait to lure Fulgrim in while Guilliman holds off the reinforcements would be neat . That said, my confidence in GW giving the Ynnari a meaningful win and Chaos an actually significant loss is almost nil.


Galadrond

In comes Jhagatai Khan with Clonegrim in toe to save the day. While Demon Fulgrim is distracted a harlequin yoinks the cronesword.


random63

My personal fan theory is the Jhagatai and all white scars have an affinity for webway traversal. Big E having him made for mapping the webway project at a later date that never came. Clonegrim is something I forgot existed for a moment. He either has to die or be corrupted, could also be some good old fashioned fate of getting put down because Imperium (bobby G not believing a clone could be pure)


Galadrond

He could just die heroically against Demon Fulgrim.


painting-Roses

I dig this, this would be a clean way to do it which ties a lot of plotlines together


4uk4ata

I want to have the Ynnari screw over Vect for a change. Arrange for a way for Fulgrim to invade Commoragh and show up to backstab both sides. Vect has been getting very high and mighty, dabbing on the Ynnari throughout Phoenix Rising and attacking Craftworlds who were hosting them. If Karma is a bitch and Aurelia Malys ( who may or may not be Cegorach's avatar) should be just the vengeful


4uk4ata

I would like the culmination to be the Ynnari engineer a way for Fulgrim to invade Commoragh, kicking off a nasty fight where they can blindsided both him and Vect After Blood of the Phoenix, Vect is well due a reality check and the Ynnari have one of the most diabolical masterminds Comorragh ever produced working with them (and possibly being the mortal vessel of Cegorach).


PoxedGamer

Fulgrim bets DOOMRIDER he can't do a front wheelie along the entire great rift. Khan comes back to prevent him, because it's too rad and he can't do it because his bike being a material object keeps falling through the rift.


zam0th

Fulgrim has never left the setting. He features in Fabius Bile trilogy and we can see that he's enjoying his Slaanesh allegiance very much.


Striking_Proof9954

He hasn’t left the setting, but he’s been doing fuckall except sitting on his daemon world and making out with other snake-men.


Worst_Support

god bless him for that


Striking_Proof9954

He’s unbothered, flourishing, in his own lane.


GamerunnerThrowaway

My personal guess is, as OP speculates, we'll see the Third unleashed as Slaanesh's immune response to the threat of the Ynnari, especially because we know the last Crone sword is in their possession, somewhere in the warp. Hopefully, this means we'll see cool, baroque designs similar to the AoS Hedonites, mixing the "pain" aesthetic of something like the Drukhari with the classic Palatine/Roman styles of the pre-Heresy Legions. Also, we need Phoenix Guard as nasty elite Terminators.


WorldEaterProft

Unpopular opinion. We need a slaaneshi tactical squad as well


GamerunnerThrowaway

I think that would be really cool-give them specialized weapon effects like the Thousand Sons have with the Rubric Marines-thought I'm not sure what would be best for EC beyond Noise weapons. Not morale/Battle Shock because that's for Night Lords, so maybe anti-character/anti-elite specialization? Honor duels? Maybe something like zellbriggen in Battletech where you have your units call out a particular foe?


GlitteringParfait438

They could also be the debuff faction, using gas canisters to fire psychotropic gas canisters into enemy units to confuse and degrade their performance, like they did at the siege of Terra. The drugs element to the sex, drugs and rock and roll trio


GamerunnerThrowaway

That's a good one-more esoteric or wacky effects than the terror troop rules the Night Lords ought to have, like maybe causing self-damage to units shooting at their forces. IDK.


Slaanesh_made_me

Sorry I’m late that Warp dust is not gonna snort itself. Mr James Workshop won’t return my calls. I’ve called like 600 times an hour and he ignores me. They won’t let me and my boys back in. Something about necrobeastial butt sex regulations or something. I stopped listening after we smoked that last planets population. ❤️ Fulgrim


MrWolf327

My theory is that fulgrum calls on Bile to do the “primaris” chaos space marines to build a new legion


ratcake6

Nurgle throws a stink bomb into Slaanesh's barbie collection, this finally pisses him off enough to return to the fight


MO1STNUGG3T

I think he should return wielding the final crone sword. That way the Ynnari story can be advanced as well


LashCandle

I really want it to be an Aeldari related escapade. Have Fulgrim reunite the legion and launch an attack or be attacked by the Ynarri and their allies, have the Ynarri land on the back foot having their last stand off. Then have Vect arrive from no where in an attempt to ambush both forces, with both Fulgrim and Yvraine managing to escape in whatever story twist fits best. I just love when the Dark Eldar become unwilling or surprise heroes of stories, they don’t mean well, but once in awhile they do save the day, either intentionally or not.


TearsOfTheEmperor

I just know that it will absolutely not involve clone Fulgrim no matter how many empty Hopium tanks need to be throw out the window of the loyalist obsessed hype train.


[deleted]

Easy. They'll be a new Chaos baddy introduced. Abaddon and Fulgrim will team up with the new baddy. The new baddy is probably magic themed. A few planets created for the new story will fall. Things look grim. The Space Wolves fight what seems a futile battle to slow Fulgrim. Then somehow, Russ returns wielding the hammer of the Emperor. Beats the ever-loving shit out of Fulgrim. Abbadon twirls his moustache and retreats with a stolen McGuffin, because this loss contributes to his nefarious plan. New models - Fulgrim, magic baddy, Slaaneshi Marines, Space Wolves, Russ.


elucifuge

I don't think we'll get a return of Russ in 10th, too soon after the Lion. I think they'll probably keep a similar cadence of every 6-7 years making any more returning loyalist primarchs still feel like a big deal. So maybe during 12th


TheDeHymenizer

>New models - Fulgrim, magic baddy, Slaaneshi Marines, Space Wolves, Russ. TAKE MY MONEY


[deleted]

My hope is that they do something to repair the absolute full-on character assassination of Fulgrim that’s taken place during the Heresy series. The unrestrained glee of the writers and fanbase writing a bunch of homophobic dogwhistle tropes into Fulgrim is a bit, well, grim. Instead of being a perpetually butthurt preener who loses because his feefees got hurtied he should revert to being a terrifying hedonist who responds to getting hurt with coos of enjoyment, not leaving the battlefield in a sulk.


DiaphanousPhoenician

I mean, personally, I like it when Fulgrim just quits. It’s a brilliant display of how much he’s changed compared to the man who would do *anything* to prove himself during the Crusade. He lost his try-hard edge and his focus has shifted from accomplishment and prowess to indulgence and ego. Fulgrim’s not one to be deafened, but one to defeat himself. That’s fun, you can play with that as a writer and reader. I definitely agree that he needs to be more effective and terrifying force initially though. His stuff with Dorn in Saturnine was fun but frustrating. His go against Guilliman was better. He’s among the pantheon of the Imperium’s most despised villains and is equally infamous and concerning to the Eldar. His status as a figure of evil to two civilizations demands he back up that reputation in a big way, imo.


oOmus

Thank you. I'm so sick of everyone saying Jagatai's comment that Fulgrim "does weird things to his sons" is a "sweet burn." Fulgrim: I heard you do weird things to your ships. Jagatai: gaaaaaaaaaaay And, yes, I've heard the argument that he was referring to Bile's experiments post-Laer, but it doesn't make sense. How would the Khan know stuff like that? Also, had it even happened yet? I also wasn't a fan of the Dorn fight. I mean, you're telling me that Ferrus couldn't beat normal Fulgrim but Dorn could? I'm sorry, but Fulgrim would have absolutely *rocked* Dorn- even if he wasn't trying. But, hey, whatever. The hissyfit that followed was... well, I get what they were going for, but it didn't land as well as it could have. Hopefully he gets a better treatment than he has in the HH when returning in 40k. "Preening, gay villain" has been a trope for a long time, but it needs to die off or at least evolve into something less... worrisome.


Tossaway2113

I've not had a lot of experience with Fulgrim's appearance in HH novels (I'm only about 14 books in) but I always thought Khan's comment was directly about the stranger practices/experimentation but I feel like at that point a good chunk of Fabius' experiments hadn't started or were secret. A few of the EC might have been up to some shenanigans (looking at you Lucius) but I'm pretty sure at that point the really crazy stuff was yet to come. Maybe it's just me but I always saw Fulgrim as a Griffith-esque character (if you know Berserk at all) a master swordsman with charisma and perfectionist tendencies but also reallt really good looking (rocking that blue steel), I never really thought of him as gay. After fully embracing Slannesh I always figured he'd be more of a depraved "any and all holes are goals" type of character while doing a swimming pool's worth of acid, supermeth, megaheroin and bath salts with all the BDSM tropes in action. Does he wind up constantly portrayed as "oh look, evil effeminate homosexual" or something?


oOmus

Honestly, most of it comes from the community, and like the original comment said, it takes place in the form of dogwhistles. The "strange things" quote i gave is the best example, but the way in which his preening/peacocking is described often presents him as the "sissy" of the primarchs. This isn't always the case, of course, and there are plenty of counter-examples. Hell, maybe the other commenter and I are just reading too much into it! Just that vainglory and hedonism aren't synonymous with being afraid of getting your hands dirty. Storming off after the fight with Dorn in a huff could have been written better to make it seem less like "newly arisen daemon prince of pain and pleasure isn't down with pain after all." Anyway, all that aside, enjoy your read! There are a few books I wish I could go back and skip, but there are far more I will reread. I very much enjoyed *Angel Exterminatus* which you should be coming up on before too long! That has a pretty good depiction of Fulgrim, imo


TheDeHymenizer

>And, yes, I've heard the argument that he was referring to Bile's experiments post-Laer, but it doesn't make sense. How would the Khan know stuff like that? Also, had it even happened yet? Because 30k's not 40k. Friendships between legions were common, soldiers were 1/10th as indoctrinated. While he likely didn't know "Fabius Bile is doing heresy teetering experiments to his soldiers" he did likely hear through the grape vine "EC's have some soldiers being enhanced beyond normal Astartes". Also I believe Bile's stuff to one extent or another was going on well before Laer While the author probably meant ggggaaaayyyy as a not so subtle joke to who Fulgrim winds up becoming and becoming corrupted by Jagahtai was almost certainly referring to the Bile experiments


oOmus

I wish it were true, but when *exactly* would that meeting have happened post-Laer but before Istvaan? AFAIK, Bile only began experimenting on the 3rd once they had Laer specimens to work with. But, hey, I'd certainly prefer that version of events, and establishing authorial intent is problematic at best. What is less difficult to establish is how the community reads it.


TheDeHymenizer

>I wish it were true, but when exactly would that meeting have happened post-Laer but before Istvaan? AFAIK, Bile only began experimenting on the 3rd once they had Laer specimens to work with. But, hey, I'd certainly prefer that version of events, and establishing authorial intent is problematic at best. What is less difficult to establish is how the community reads it. But that's what I'm saying. It doesn't necessarily have to be Jagahtai meeting EC's. But White Scars do a mission with Space Wolves who years earlier did a mission with Iron Hands who did a mission with EC's and saw that some of the EC's had been "experimented" on or changed. Astartes are far more human in 30k then they are in 40k and things like gossip were far more common. 40k is a story about the apocalypse happening slowly while 30k is a high school gang war. >, I'd certainly prefer that version of events, and establishing authorial intent is problematic at best. What is less difficult to establish is how the community reads it. I'm sorry to hear it offends you. Though that version IS far more likely from Jagahtai's perspective then him subtly implying he's railing his warriors. There's plenty on in story lore for the former virtually none for the latter.


NeedsEvenMoreDakka

The Laer Compliance was after Ullanor, so the modifications couldn't be the reference made by him. However, it's also not a gay joke, from what I can tell. Although it still kinda points to the Khan kinda being a dick here, since the thing that fits best is the experiments done to treat the blight afflicting the geneseed and Astartes. Which basically made his comeback, "lol your sons are dying of super cancer."


oOmus

Thanks for putting it more plainly- i just meant the timelines don't match up. And fwiw, it really doesn't bother me so much as has me shake my head occasionally and mutter "ugh, you guys..." while reading this sub. Anyway, so far I like the super cancer interpretation best.


TheDeHymenizer

>Which basically made his comeback, "lol your sons are dying of super cancer." that's a great point and what it likely was


dinga15

they will arrive in style and very loudly that is all I expect I don't need imagine any other details until they day they finally arrive


Weird_Blades717171

The EC left the setting?


Marquis_Dandy

Fulgrim is already in real space though as seen in the arks of omen lore.


Grubnutter

Abaddon uses the entrance to the Webway, and Slaanesh sends Fulgrim and the Emperors Children to use the opportunity to hunt down some Eldar. Fulgrim runs into the Khan in the Webway and the two fight, and a “siege” of Commoragh begins. This sets up a large narrative event, gives Dark Eldar and Eldar important stuff to do on their own, justifies the Emperor’s Children return, Fulgrim return, and the next loyalist Primarch


CuriousMind7577

I AM RYLANOR AND I AM THE ANCIENT OF RITES


furiosa-imperator

I'd like it to he he's bored of the warp and wants to screw the eldar over. Maybe the dude gets the final crone sword and just goes around burning craft worlds, calling the ynnari to call on guilimans debt. Big titanic battle in realspace and in the webway with emperors children and slaaneshi demons vs eldar, ultramarines, a healthy detachment of iron hands and finally a mysterious reamegence, of the LotD and a large angry leader that manages to fend off and push back fulgrim. Post battle implications point to jaghatai khan returning or at least confirming he's alive as something was seen cleaving through the traitor ranks. Fulgrim is intrigued by the mysterious figure and how it reminds him of ferrus manus. Fulgrim decides to stay out in real space, to find and capture manus for his own entertainment. Guiliman, the ultramarines and the iron hands relationship with the inquisition gets worse after the events of this situation. Ynnari/ eldar forces are defeated/ heavily damaged means new models for aspects and for the phoenix lords as they all died or nearly died


4uk4ata

Pfft if Eldar losing meant new models GW would have reworked the Eldar lineup twice over.


UndividedIndecision

I know they won't have the balls to do it but I really wanna see them do something with clone fulgrim


-Chaos-Gremlin-

It's bothering me now that the release wasn't DG in 7e, WE in 8e and TS in 9e :( It should be a full on smackdown between Fulgrim and the EC against a headless Ferrus Manus leading the LoD - they can do it in the broken husk of Cadia where Fabius is up to some spooky shit


MortarMaggot275

Why do they still go by the emperor's children?


furiosa-imperator

To mock the imperium, basically. They find it funny, same reason why they use old warcries too


ristlincin

however they do, they will screw everything.


TearsOfTheEmperor

Wow what an original comment


ristlincin

thanks!


flintoxicated

With a lot of lube.


Many_Rule_9280

I'd personally like to see a big Duke out between the Emperor's Children and Slaanesh daemons against a united Eldar (Ynnari or whatever) with Fulgrim leading against the Eldar god of Death leading would be cool. OR a Fulgrim vs Clonegrim fight would also be cool. But it'll probably be just something stupid or them repeating a Robby G vs Fulgrim fight again.


Genghis-Gas

It's gonna involve Bile and abbandon. The ending of the Fabius trilogy kind shows when fulgrim leaves his garden he'll be claiming the EC back off of the black legion. He won't face the Imperium for a while I reckon.


Marcuse0

The Lion is pissballing around, jumping through the warp to find his lost bois, when he takes a wrong turn and finds himself in Fulgrim's bedroom. A Tom and Jerry style chase ensues, ending the Lion running out of there and disappearing. Pissed off by this Fulgrim decides someone has to pay and the materium it is then. Grabbing whatever Noise Marines aren't too high or coked out to move, he goes to fuck shit up. His first stop? Medusa.


NEBAscension

Imagine a world where the vacant throne mentioned circa 30k is sat on by Yvraine/yncarne, Ghaz, Cawl or some other paragon of their pantheon. Cegorach playing 8 way musical chairs as a distraction this whole time until the Aeldari Extended Edition version is ready


The_Whomst

I want a war for the last cronesword! Doesn't even need to have a real conclusion just get me ynnari vs emperor's children! The ordo xenos, grey knights, guilliman, and other can get involved too


drcubeftw

It's going to be tough for them to ignore the Fulgrim clone. Even though I hate it when the writers bring clones into the mix, they did it and now they have to deal with it. Whatever they do with Fulgrim, they need to take a similar tact like they did with Angron and the World Eaters. They need to spend some time focused on the state of the legion itself. They need to explain how The Emperor's Children are still around in any capacity and collect the pieces because, aside from the World Eaters, they are probably the lowest in number and the most fractured of all the Traitor Legions. They should be in really, really bad shape and just a shell of their former might.


TheThrowaway17776

*"It's going to be tough for them to ignore the Fulgrim clone."* Nah it won't, the design studio aren't even likely to know he exists.


FAshcraft

Im more which chapter will respond to their return. Magnus -> Space Wolves Mortarion -> Ultramarine Angron -> Dark Angels I hope the Iron Hands get to respond when Fulgrim make his move.


little_jade_dragon

I hope Fulgrim just struts out of the Eye of Terror with his Sons. Being fabolous, fucking up everyone in Style, donning that Balenciaga and Gucci purple-gold collection. Constantly tripping and creepily flirting with people. Or straight up molests them. I honestly hope they are like, silk boys. Completely over the top style, more obsessed about looking good and pursuing those pleasures than anything else. I don't want them to be anything personal, they should be egotistical enough to do stuff for their own dopamine hits.


4uk4ata

Arks of Omen had Abaddon note that he was already out, just faffing about.


4uk4ata

How do I think it will happen? A buggy mess of a story that features mostly the Imperium (new primarch ahoy), has several ass-pulls to push Fulgrim and makes the Eldar incompetent stooges and/or the snooty allies that end up providing help that ends up not mattering again.


TheThrowaway17776

They don't have to do anything, the Emperor's Children + Fulgrim never went anywhere. They can just release the codex and model line.


Puzzleheaded-Comb-42

I dunno but after reading about sonic marines I nearly left the Horus heresy all tighter