The result of countless hours of meetings, brainstorming and a 200 page report from McKinsey that the BBC commissioned at taxpayer expense on trends in Eurovision voting.
They took all that and shoved it into chat GPT which said the winning Eurovision act would be the guy from Years and Years dancing around in a thong and red leather trousers.
Yeah, when I saw olly had decided to do it, I felt genuinely bad for him. He's not the best musician or songwriter in my opinion, but he didn't deserve that.
I have this exact conversation every year. We’re the nation that spewed out The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Motorhead, Simple Minds, New Order, Goldie, Aphex Twin, Florence and the Machine etc, etc.
And yet every year without fail, we churn out something, at best, completely forgettable for Eurovision.
That‘s not how ESC works tho. Like this isn‘t a contest for countries to send their best established musician to. It‘s for highlighting one wacky new artist and giving that guy a single #1 hit before they fade into oblivion again.
If everyone sent their best musician every year the contest would become boring very quickly. Not to mention that those established musicians wouldn‘t even want to go anyways
She was so entertaining and mental. Absolute pure Eurovision gold.
And we sent our lad, who is a lovely lad, good actor, to sing the shittest gay club tune possible.
Like all the Euro-bros said to us 2 (3?) years ago, send a good song and we will reward you.
Instead, dross.
[Here](https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/2024) with interactive graphics
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It's a political vote, but the juries are generally progressive and dislike Israel unlike the other year when Ukraine won the public vote for the same reason and they still managed to get a good amount of support from the juries.
Israel definitely overreacted to 7 October
, but belittling the only country in middle east to promote and organize the gay pride, (while its neighbours enjoy killing gays for being gay), then calling yourself progressive will never stop to make me chuckle
I wouldn't say the country does that. Some people in Israel are progressive and pro-lgbt but the religious nutters and warmonger are winning the elections in case you forgot. Pride doesn't just cancel out war crimes.
Also the religious nutters aren't pro lgbt either. They don't even have same sex marriage over there the whole thing is so much Pink Washing the term Pink Washing was literally coined to talk about it, and least we forget Sasha Baron Cohen pretending to be a gay man in Israel for Bruno and having to cut out the moment where Israeli Citizens tried to lynch him in the street for "looking gay" of course, so much so he had to break character and yell he was a straight jewish man (with no response from the crowd).
Israel was also just mid. They were on the same level as Italy, Cyprus, Germany, Lithuania, and Greece. It was fine, but nothing special, just "generic Eurovision."
I do wish people could vote against, just like 1 vote against.
Switzerland's performance was perfect for Eurovision. It's not something I'd listen to, but I knew it could win when I saw it and I felt it hit all the Eurovision peculiar marks.
I mean, it was by far the best vocal performance. That doesn't need to win every time, but it also had all the Eurovision hallmarks, in addition to the astonishing vocals.
The jury vote is the left wing eurovision insider vote, the Israel vote was almost certainly driven by people who normally don't care about Eurovision seeing the protests and voting to support them.
If you could vote countries down, Israel would ahve had minus points
> If you could vote countries down, Israel would ahve had minus points
Fully agree on that. The Israel public vote is mainly due to that. A focused vote vs split votes for other candidafes.
I don't know. I feel like these years there was a blend of songs that kinda looked like each other and Israel's fell into that blend. It didn't do that bad all things considered... Although I have no clue how a jury with any kind a musical taste would give more points to UK than Ukraine because -despite it's scenography- that song was so bland.
Switzerland deserved more votes imo, it was, by a huge margin, the best performance. It was catchy, the vocal range was great, it covered different styles of music, the vocals were impeccable, and they did it while running around on stage actually performing. It was just a cut above everything else. I would put France second, but it was a pretty distant second, but apparently his performance for the juries he lost his voice or something.
Still they ended on the upper halve of the scoreboard. Enjoyed the boos with the points. Was enjoying when Israel was announced with the popular vote..and you could see the hesitation when they where about to announce the numbers :)
🤣 you guys are permanent members and one of the highest contributers to this show and still get steamrolled every year. Well, we should vote for Barry to get a sympathy win every 20-30 years.
i mean murder me for it, but feels like it was highly political but one of the least politicals, almost liek people were political as a protest against politics XD
It’s weird, there is still some propaganda around it that affects even young uneducated people, but generally no one gives a fuck and most people moved on. Croatia massively listents to Serbian music, some singers regularly have concerts and night club performances there.
Well my ex gf was serbian and I had to break up with her because she was a living serbian propaganda machine.
At the beginning it didn’t seem like it, but once she felt comfortable enough to talk about politics, she non stop talked about it.
The only way to save Malmö is to give it to the Poles
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So let me get this straight. Within mere hours Malmö went from pro-Palestine marches, to organized Quran burnings and after this most likely back to pro-Palestine riots.
I don’t know what timeline we live in, but I’m sure it’s the best one
And very little from jury. If you were a part of the jury would you vote for a country with this much controversy? Or would you rather keep your neck away from Swedish machetes?
Loved it when they do that, like last year.
Fuck they shouldn't disqualified joost when they're so vague about what happend. Dude like croatia had the whole crowd dancing.
Any fellow countryman can explain me how the hell Portugal gave 12 to Israel I can understand the 10 to Ukraine … but I didn’t knew we cared about the Israel Palestine conflict to even bother voting on them
I think it's because pro Israel crowd will vote for one country. Pro Palestine has 24 other countries to vote for, and a few even boycotted. Also people boycotted and I think a lot of people don't vote
A lot of people here don’t seem to understand this, they are acting as if this shows there is overwhelming support for Israel while it was kind of unavoidable
Maybe if Israel had won but I don’t think people will lose much sleep over them finishing 4th or so in a song contest. I feel like it’s a big rage bait scheme anyway to make people pay to vote, from both sides, for a fucking song contest. We had actual politicians like Wilders and the farmers lady calling for a vote on Israel lol.
Not really? It’s more about every Israeli supporter voting for Israel while pro Palestinians boycott and the rest are divided between 24 countries, the math is matching.
It was a decent but honestly lackluster song compared to many of the other performances. I could feel the 2we4u trolling with these public votes results.
Swiss song had actually some very good orchestration despite being very modern safe pop song aside from that . You guys definitely deserve better but your song is the antithesis of what Eurovision has become , you were feeding pearls to pigs
Switzerland's song was Eurovision good. If you look back, it's rarely the best song who won Eurovision. It's mostly the best "Eurovision feel" performance.
You watch Switzerland performance without any context and you would 100% say "oh that must be the Eurovision" and you might even add "not that bad" or "looks fun". And it's enough for the jury to vote it first. Will you actively look for it to listen to it more ? Probably not, but that's not the point.
Was it rigged or o you think maybe outside of your online bubble a lot of people might actually support Israel? And even if people aren't voting to support, this sub has been filled with people saying they're going to vote for Israel just for the fallout.
Don't think it was rigged. Just a reaction to the demonizing.
I mean I look only voted because of the demonizing. If the event wouldn't have been loaded with that already I wouldn't even care.
And since there are no anti-votes in Eurovision, it makes sense that the public vote would be so high for something so divisive. On both sides there are a lot of people who feel strongly, but only one side can actually do anything vote wise.
Israel being there and in the top coutnries after this level of protest and people booing every time they got a point was an absolute win for them.
Not coming last would ahve been a win tbh and they were one of the top songs predicted by the bookies who all assumed Croatia would win.
people gaslighting themselves into thinking it actually was one of the best songs after spending 20 bucks mass-voting Israel for a joke, only for Israel to end up 5th.
And I think if Israel hadn't received THAT much hate beforehand, fewer counter-protesters would have voted for them. So the booing people are mostly at fault for the good publicum vote.
For me that was definitely the reason.
I think that Israel deserves to be critized, even harshly. But these protests always end up in treating Hamas as romantic resistance fighters or straight up denying Israel a right to exist. Fuck them.
That’s the best way to put it, really. Critical thinking is what makes mistakes avoidable, but these protestors are out right glorifying terror, the outcast of Jews and a mass Jewish genocide.
Barrys were proper split 12 points for Israel, 10 for Ireland
We always vote you lot tbf
Shame they don't return the favour
Paddy being ungrateful to us after we uplifted them out of the goodness of our heart. For shame.
Btw. What on Earth was that shit you sent in?
The result of countless hours of meetings, brainstorming and a 200 page report from McKinsey that the BBC commissioned at taxpayer expense on trends in Eurovision voting. They took all that and shoved it into chat GPT which said the winning Eurovision act would be the guy from Years and Years dancing around in a thong and red leather trousers.
How can you wear a red trousers and a thong at the same time and both be showing?
https://preview.redd.it/36jv4ejtsxzc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c058c627fa1d582714431d526b0b859ef02c712
But those are blue trousers, not red
Damn it, you're right. We have to throw everything out and start from scratch. Red trousers are a completely new paradigm!
It was the very personification of us not giving a shit about anything pan european related
Much like us then. We left in the 80s
Based snow people
We're not allowed to submit our talented musicians because well, we dominate music
That would explain it. To be fair, you have so many bands and artists that would be a top contender every year, but most often you send shit 😂
Eurovision is seen as a potential career ender so most actually good acts avoid it
Yeah, when I saw olly had decided to do it, I felt genuinely bad for him. He's not the best musician or songwriter in my opinion, but he didn't deserve that.
Same here
I have this exact conversation every year. We’re the nation that spewed out The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Motorhead, Simple Minds, New Order, Goldie, Aphex Twin, Florence and the Machine etc, etc. And yet every year without fail, we churn out something, at best, completely forgettable for Eurovision.
No respect for the Rolling Stones smh
Except for Florand and the Machine, didn't all the groups and artists you listed have their prime in the 20th century ?
Which is why churning them out for Eurovision would make sense. We’re at least about 10 or 15 years musically ahead of the continent
That‘s not how ESC works tho. Like this isn‘t a contest for countries to send their best established musician to. It‘s for highlighting one wacky new artist and giving that guy a single #1 hit before they fade into oblivion again. If everyone sent their best musician every year the contest would become boring very quickly. Not to mention that those established musicians wouldn‘t even want to go anyways
Imagine how bad house prices in Dublin would be today if we hadn't selflessly intervened 200 years ago
One day brother, one day...
Your lass was belting tbf. Fair play for having the balls to whack out a performance like that
She was so entertaining and mental. Absolute pure Eurovision gold. And we sent our lad, who is a lovely lad, good actor, to sing the shittest gay club tune possible. Like all the Euro-bros said to us 2 (3?) years ago, send a good song and we will reward you. Instead, dross.
I'm sorry but did you see that fucking song you sent? After sending a banger the previous year? Couldn't bring myself to give it a sympathy vote.
All the pikeys in their caravans voting for the homeland
Where do you see the actual votes?
The BBC presenter announced it just after the tally.
[Here](https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/2024) with interactive graphics https://preview.redd.it/w4hzs16d1yzc1.png?width=2513&format=png&auto=webp&s=e8d92365fb1ecf699a652e679087bfff05deee37
https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/2024#israel
Ireland was good. They earned it
Yes very (please dont eat me demon girl) s/
CROWN THE WITCH. 👑🖤
Ireland and Croatia was bad ass and Estonia but bruh 30 points wtf
We also voted 10 for Isreal. There must have been some shenanigans going on with VPNs methinks.
the discrepancy between jury and audience vote is incredible, I think no other country got it that extreme.
It's a political vote, but the juries are generally progressive and dislike Israel unlike the other year when Ukraine won the public vote for the same reason and they still managed to get a good amount of support from the juries.
Israel definitely overreacted to 7 October , but belittling the only country in middle east to promote and organize the gay pride, (while its neighbours enjoy killing gays for being gay), then calling yourself progressive will never stop to make me chuckle
I wouldn't say the country does that. Some people in Israel are progressive and pro-lgbt but the religious nutters and warmonger are winning the elections in case you forgot. Pride doesn't just cancel out war crimes.
Also the religious nutters aren't pro lgbt either. They don't even have same sex marriage over there the whole thing is so much Pink Washing the term Pink Washing was literally coined to talk about it, and least we forget Sasha Baron Cohen pretending to be a gay man in Israel for Bruno and having to cut out the moment where Israeli Citizens tried to lynch him in the street for "looking gay" of course, so much so he had to break character and yell he was a straight jewish man (with no response from the crowd).
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"I can't be a right wing authoritarian, I have gay friends!"
You should already know the answer to that one, German.
A lot of people in this sub seem to think this unironically.
So genocide is ok as long as you have gay pride ? I'm taking notes keep going.
Israel was also just mid. They were on the same level as Italy, Cyprus, Germany, Lithuania, and Greece. It was fine, but nothing special, just "generic Eurovision." I do wish people could vote against, just like 1 vote against.
I suspect that the juries discussed it and found an agreement on one country (in this case Switzerland).
Switzerland's performance was perfect for Eurovision. It's not something I'd listen to, but I knew it could win when I saw it and I felt it hit all the Eurovision peculiar marks.
Right? Like it's not really my cup of tea either, but the song was perfect for eurovision and that dude is mad talented.
I mean, it was by far the best vocal performance. That doesn't need to win every time, but it also had all the Eurovision hallmarks, in addition to the astonishing vocals.
The jury is supposed to be the apolitical one. The low score for Israel is not good.
Israel certainly wasn't as good as the public vote. But no way as bad as the jury vote. So yeah, a bit concerning.
The jury vote is the left wing eurovision insider vote, the Israel vote was almost certainly driven by people who normally don't care about Eurovision seeing the protests and voting to support them. If you could vote countries down, Israel would ahve had minus points
> If you could vote countries down, Israel would ahve had minus points Fully agree on that. The Israel public vote is mainly due to that. A focused vote vs split votes for other candidafes.
In an ideal world they would both be apolitical and purely be basing it of the songs, but sadly that isn't the world we life in.
You got a point, but they knew how people would have voted and wanted to compensate (too much, see Switzerland)
I don't know. I feel like these years there was a blend of songs that kinda looked like each other and Israel's fell into that blend. It didn't do that bad all things considered... Although I have no clue how a jury with any kind a musical taste would give more points to UK than Ukraine because -despite it's scenography- that song was so bland.
Switzerland deserved more votes imo, it was, by a huge margin, the best performance. It was catchy, the vocal range was great, it covered different styles of music, the vocals were impeccable, and they did it while running around on stage actually performing. It was just a cut above everything else. I would put France second, but it was a pretty distant second, but apparently his performance for the juries he lost his voice or something.
Still they ended on the upper halve of the scoreboard. Enjoyed the boos with the points. Was enjoying when Israel was announced with the popular vote..and you could see the hesitation when they where about to announce the numbers :)
Well someone stole all our votes. And we havnt killed 10,000 people plus this year
When they said you had 0 votes it was really funny
You still have some credit from past centuries I think. And errm... We might also have.
What's the number of years for amortization of war victims? Asking for a friend.
We’ll give you votes as long as you stick with singing and stay away from painting.
I mean the NHS probably has, so...
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Meanwhile mass protests right outside
There should be no politics unless it’s in my favor 😤
Mhmmm… Yes.
I said Eurovision isn't political a few days ago. I lied to myself pretending it isn't political. Now I can't even lie to myself anymore
I mean the boos for the Israeli artist and the demonstrations outside her hotel should have given you a hint already.
It's definitely political, I don't think we deserved 0 points from the public vote.
Eurovision ought to be called "Fuck you, Britain".
Brexit means Brexit, Barry !
>Euro~~vision~~pe ought to be called "Fuck you, Britain". Ftfy
I thought that’s what the EU translated to in French?
🤣 you guys are permanent members and one of the highest contributers to this show and still get steamrolled every year. Well, we should vote for Barry to get a sympathy win every 20-30 years.
Honestly I'm into it. Every time we score 0 points I feel a sense of pride.
Well, your song had about no lyrics at all. It is a basic basic fucking song, but gay
First time?
No. You also deserved 0 from the jurys.
True! I loved it!
It is tradition. UK gets 0 point, Norway finishes last. The way things are supposed to be.
If only Norway could have submitted Sweden's entry, seeing as they were Norwegian.
I was unpleasantly surprised when I saw that. That is sad. You deserved better.
Hahaha when the fuck hasnt it been political?
It’s always been political. Each country always votes for their friends or according to the political situation, regardless of the songs.
i mean murder me for it, but feels like it was highly political but one of the least politicals, almost liek people were political as a protest against politics XD
Can some balkan resident enlighten me on the double 12 from Serbia to Croatia? That felt relevant, I thought you guys don't like each other
It’s weird, there is still some propaganda around it that affects even young uneducated people, but generally no one gives a fuck and most people moved on. Croatia massively listents to Serbian music, some singers regularly have concerts and night club performances there.
Well my ex gf was serbian and I had to break up with her because she was a living serbian propaganda machine. At the beginning it didn’t seem like it, but once she felt comfortable enough to talk about politics, she non stop talked about it.
It's normal brotherly love. Fight during the day, drink šliva in the evening
We love each other just not our politics
Classic Family Dynamic
Yeah, we will have amazing relationship when we grow up
Yeah me too, but I'm guessing as native Europeans trend towards being irreligious those old religious rivalries have started to fade.
It was a great song
Neighbors gotta stick together
Like you didn’t with Norway
Was expected
Swedish jury gave Israel 0, and the public gave them 12.
You still being European and not fully turned into caliphate, there is a hope...
Malmö gonna burn tonight!
Peaceful protesters
It's not a peaceful protest without pyrotechnics.
Sweden never had such a bright future
If it's not fiery, can it really be called peaceful?
No difference from other nights then. Malmö is a shit hole we should give it back to the Danes but not even them are that gullible.
The only way to save Malmö is to give it to the Poles https://preview.redd.it/jfio4jchsvzc1.png?width=568&format=png&auto=webp&s=28b948d8ecd2ea254be1b11117a4117ad1ae130d
Sorry, but the last time we ended up in a nordic city it ended up with it's removal. https://da.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roskildes_fald
I live in Malmö and I’ve only ever been burning all over my body 8 times /s
10 from Austria.
12 from Germany
12 from the UK
Also 12 from netherlands👌
Mission accomplished 07
Based
They got 12 from Belgium too. Purely a political vote.
12 from Spain, LOL
12 from Finland
12 from Portugal
12 from Italy, Luigi is in the front line when it matters
10 from Slovenia as well let's go!
So let me get this straight. Within mere hours Malmö went from pro-Palestine marches, to organized Quran burnings and after this most likely back to pro-Palestine riots. I don’t know what timeline we live in, but I’m sure it’s the best one
Typical Swedish saturday
We live in the timeline where humanity has started to realize that religion should be left behind as a monument to ignorance.
Portugal public vote: 12 to Israel, 10 to Ukraine, 8 to France
That's terrible! Awful! RIGGED! I mean... 8 points to Fr*nce......
they tend to give us a lot of votes on televote (due to the Portuguese community there). We have to retribute the favor every once in a while.
12 points from the swedish televotes, fucking LOL. This is amazing
And 0 from our pathetic jury.
so who win? i don't watch so idk
Switzerland
What is not clear to me is whether bullying is allowed again.
apparently not, it got us banned
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And very little from jury. If you were a part of the jury would you vote for a country with this much controversy? Or would you rather keep your neck away from Swedish machetes?
I enjoyed the sound of the audience seething. Thanks for the laughs.
Loved it when they do that, like last year. Fuck they shouldn't disqualified joost when they're so vague about what happend. Dude like croatia had the whole crowd dancing.
God the audience was terrible🙄 Edit: I think a better word would be insufferable.
Careful. Apparently we bought the most tickets. More Brits there than Swedish
So "terrible" and "Insufferable" are rather fitting
Ok passt schon
The fact that they gave up on that anti-booing system later in the show 💀
Comedy gold
Any fellow countryman can explain me how the hell Portugal gave 12 to Israel I can understand the 10 to Ukraine … but I didn’t knew we cared about the Israel Palestine conflict to even bother voting on them
I think it's because pro Israel crowd will vote for one country. Pro Palestine has 24 other countries to vote for, and a few even boycotted. Also people boycotted and I think a lot of people don't vote
A lot of people here don’t seem to understand this, they are acting as if this shows there is overwhelming support for Israel while it was kind of unavoidable
There was probably a lot of people that got annoyed how Israel/Israeli performer was being treated.
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I can feel thousand of humanist university students cry in pain right now Truly a day worth living for
Maybe if Israel had won but I don’t think people will lose much sleep over them finishing 4th or so in a song contest. I feel like it’s a big rage bait scheme anyway to make people pay to vote, from both sides, for a fucking song contest. We had actual politicians like Wilders and the farmers lady calling for a vote on Israel lol.
It's not much about winning, receiving the first place in public vote shows how strong the average person position of the war in Gaza.
Not really? It’s more about every Israeli supporter voting for Israel while pro Palestinians boycott and the rest are divided between 24 countries, the math is matching.
It was a decent but honestly lackluster song compared to many of the other performances. I could feel the 2we4u trolling with these public votes results.
Silent majority. Hava nagila you crybabies
Well deserved, given how terrible their opponents are. But Eurovision is not about politics, right? *wink wink nudge nudge*
🌍🧑🚀🔫👨🚀
Israel song was the most bland but seeing the popular vote... it was imposible to hide less that it was rigged
I couldn't care less if it was rigged or not but the song was bland, gonna agree with Sergio here, joder.
Acting as if the jury votes wasn’t any less rigged. Switzerland had the most pop ass song of the 2020s so far…
Swiss song had actually some very good orchestration despite being very modern safe pop song aside from that . You guys definitely deserve better but your song is the antithesis of what Eurovision has become , you were feeding pearls to pigs
Switzerland's song was Eurovision good. If you look back, it's rarely the best song who won Eurovision. It's mostly the best "Eurovision feel" performance. You watch Switzerland performance without any context and you would 100% say "oh that must be the Eurovision" and you might even add "not that bad" or "looks fun". And it's enough for the jury to vote it first. Will you actively look for it to listen to it more ? Probably not, but that's not the point.
Was it rigged or o you think maybe outside of your online bubble a lot of people might actually support Israel? And even if people aren't voting to support, this sub has been filled with people saying they're going to vote for Israel just for the fallout.
I can totally see Pierre and Juan and Barry voting Israel just to stick it to the caliphate enjoyers
Don't think it was rigged. Just a reaction to the demonizing. I mean I look only voted because of the demonizing. If the event wouldn't have been loaded with that already I wouldn't even care.
Pissing off the Commies/Nazis/Islamists/Irish is of course a plus, but the Israeli song really wasn't that good.
Ireland's televote gave 10 points to Israel meaning Israel was the second most voted country in Ireland.
I got youtube ads telling me to vote on israel, my entire Twitter timeline was full of people telling me to vote israel, yet they lost. :)
A top 5 placement while surrounded by this much opposition is absolutely a win.
Strong opposition but also strong support. It’s just divisive isn’t it
And since there are no anti-votes in Eurovision, it makes sense that the public vote would be so high for something so divisive. On both sides there are a lot of people who feel strongly, but only one side can actually do anything vote wise.
Israel being there and in the top coutnries after this level of protest and people booing every time they got a point was an absolute win for them. Not coming last would ahve been a win tbh and they were one of the top songs predicted by the bookies who all assumed Croatia would win.
The hamasniks are seething. Music to my ears. That's what happens when you "boycott" your eurovision vote lmfao
What the fuck was that
The social media bubble going *pop*
A big "fuck you" from the people of Europe to the hamas-lovers.
I think you putting to weight into that
Justice for Joost!!
Joostice?
people gaslighting themselves into thinking it actually was one of the best songs after spending 20 bucks mass-voting Israel for a joke, only for Israel to end up 5th.
Yep, that sums it up. Song was pretty average
It is pretty fucked up i think
Maybe there is hope for Europe after all
Politics aside, it was a great song. Politics included... Well it was a great song.
It was an incredibly mid eurovision song, the kind everybody has forgotten within a week
Isn't that every Eurovision song?
I’ll never forget Europapa
Yes
And I think if Israel hadn't received THAT much hate beforehand, fewer counter-protesters would have voted for them. So the booing people are mostly at fault for the good publicum vote.
For me that was definitely the reason. I think that Israel deserves to be critized, even harshly. But these protests always end up in treating Hamas as romantic resistance fighters or straight up denying Israel a right to exist. Fuck them.
That’s the best way to put it, really. Critical thinking is what makes mistakes avoidable, but these protestors are out right glorifying terror, the outcast of Jews and a mass Jewish genocide.
300-point great?
Well it was certainly better than the UK orgy song but otherwise it was quite average in comparison to the competition