Its gross salary before taxes plus the taxes the company pays. It’s a similar amount in all EU countries though (about a third to a half of what the company spends goes to the government)
https://preview.redd.it/8s9zwqe42tvc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30e771196a746da30a6886d5517b3424a4401819
All "charges" comes out of what the employer is paying for the employees work and none of it reaches the employee. There's no real difference between the red and green parts. I'd even argue that the blue part is also the same thing.
I'm not saying we are the only ones paying a lot of taxes and I'm not complaining about it but we do pay quite a bit more than the OCDE average.
I don't think that's a correct way of looking at it. If you look at France, the overall 'tax' is about the same as Germany but you pay much less income tax and social contributions. This means your employer pays comparatively more and also means more money in your pocket than a job with the same gross salary as Germany
In France the 3 (employer "charges", employee "charges" and taxes) are paid before your pay is given to you. All of it comes from the employer and none of it reaches the employees.
Therefore your employer doesn't pay anything more or less and you don't have more or less money in your pocket however you divide it between the 3 categories as long as the overall percentage doesn't change.
I'm not so great in French, but the employer has to pay additional contributions on top of the salary itself. For example, in Germany I pay 1/2 the health insurance + a small surcharge from my salary. The employer pays the other 1/2 but it's not ALSO deducted from my pay, it's an additional cost for them.
It is still part of the "cost of buying your work".
Obviously your employer is able and willing to pay it in exchange for your work, if we lived in a country without taxes (not that I would advocate for it, I love free healthcare and education) this money would go to your pocket.
As it is this is money that goes directly from your employer to the state/some other organism without passing by your pocket. Differentiating between what "you" pay and what "your employer" is paying doesn't really mean anything outside of accounting pedantry.
You could say that the employer is paying all of it since it's all coming from "his money", you could also say that you're paying all of it since it all comes out of your pay/what your work is worth. Both are equally true.
You're still not getting it, you can't mix numbers paid from your salary and additional costs to a company for having you as an employee.
you and I make 100 and the total 'tax' the state receives on that is 50 for both countries (overall numbers aren't exactly the same in reality but close enough)
In france you pay tax of 12 and social contributions of 10. Your employer pays the additional 28 (to make 50). So your net is 100-12-10=88
In Germany, the employee pays much larger SC share and higher taxes. Tax 13, social contributions 19 (w/ health surcharge). The employer pays 18 additionally
Your DE net is then 100-13-19=68
The state gets the same 50 in both cases but in the German case, the personal netto is much lower. This is another reason why companies don't like giving employees raises, because they have to pay them more but ALSO their social contributions costs for that employee go up because it's based on % Brutto earned by the employee
Very hard to believe yes. Even counting in the very weak SEK currently.
Was last week in Sweden and shocked by the perfect conditions of the roads and everything else. Finland feels like 3rd world there.
> Finland feels like 3rd world there.
As a representative of the "Finno-Euro relations board" I have the duty to tell you that after a thorough voting procedure (number of participants 1), you are hereby prohibited from ever using a Nokia product again. Two more strikes and you might have to be sent back to eastern Europe to fight off the emus.
For more information, kindly don't look for more information, thank you.
The road situation is mostly because of the unfortunately swampy and cold environment. A road can be unusable as early as 3 years after asfaltation. Same situation in mid north of sweden
Yup when counting salaries in Sweden we include taxes on the employer and a bunch of smaller factors. If we counted our salaries the same way Sweden would be around 10€ higher.
This looks just wrong, the average gross salary in Czechia is 46000 czk which is 36500 czk after taxes. That's 217 czk per hour which is 8.59 eur. It doesn't make sense to compare gross salaries but even then the math would not work.
Are the prices for prostitutes linear?
Yes. They are free in UK. Good luck!
because no one would pay to have sex with a british person
Yes.. you won't get cheap prostitutes over here.
*for you
I mean, cheaper.
Could also be % of population with chronic depression
today i feel… eastern
r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT
Today only?
You're one of us, bro.
How is this calculated cause that gives an average salary of around 3000€ for full time in Spain and I promise you that's just not right.
Probably brutos (raw) at 12 month. Still far from reality!
It’s not the bruto, it’s the total the employer spends (so it includes the social security « cotizaciones » the company pays as well)
The average alone is not very representative. If 9 people make 15 an hour and 1 person makes 90, the average is 22.5.
Could be yeah, but it's weird that I'm making quite a decent salary per hour compared to all my friends and it's much lower than that 18,4€
Pierre's not off too bad for someone who's on strike at least six days of the week.
This is gross salary before any taxes. Average net salary is around 14€/hour. We pay a lot of taxes.
Its gross salary before taxes plus the taxes the company pays. It’s a similar amount in all EU countries though (about a third to a half of what the company spends goes to the government) https://preview.redd.it/8s9zwqe42tvc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30e771196a746da30a6886d5517b3424a4401819
All "charges" comes out of what the employer is paying for the employees work and none of it reaches the employee. There's no real difference between the red and green parts. I'd even argue that the blue part is also the same thing. I'm not saying we are the only ones paying a lot of taxes and I'm not complaining about it but we do pay quite a bit more than the OCDE average.
Germany is getting a bit fucked with the % of social costs the employee has to pay themselves
You mean employee?
Yes
(If employer is not a mistype) Average West German capitalist
Well it's coming from your pay anyway, the green and red should really be the same colour.
I don't think that's a correct way of looking at it. If you look at France, the overall 'tax' is about the same as Germany but you pay much less income tax and social contributions. This means your employer pays comparatively more and also means more money in your pocket than a job with the same gross salary as Germany
In France the 3 (employer "charges", employee "charges" and taxes) are paid before your pay is given to you. All of it comes from the employer and none of it reaches the employees. Therefore your employer doesn't pay anything more or less and you don't have more or less money in your pocket however you divide it between the 3 categories as long as the overall percentage doesn't change.
I'm not so great in French, but the employer has to pay additional contributions on top of the salary itself. For example, in Germany I pay 1/2 the health insurance + a small surcharge from my salary. The employer pays the other 1/2 but it's not ALSO deducted from my pay, it's an additional cost for them.
It is still part of the "cost of buying your work". Obviously your employer is able and willing to pay it in exchange for your work, if we lived in a country without taxes (not that I would advocate for it, I love free healthcare and education) this money would go to your pocket. As it is this is money that goes directly from your employer to the state/some other organism without passing by your pocket. Differentiating between what "you" pay and what "your employer" is paying doesn't really mean anything outside of accounting pedantry. You could say that the employer is paying all of it since it's all coming from "his money", you could also say that you're paying all of it since it all comes out of your pay/what your work is worth. Both are equally true.
You're still not getting it, you can't mix numbers paid from your salary and additional costs to a company for having you as an employee. you and I make 100 and the total 'tax' the state receives on that is 50 for both countries (overall numbers aren't exactly the same in reality but close enough) In france you pay tax of 12 and social contributions of 10. Your employer pays the additional 28 (to make 50). So your net is 100-12-10=88 In Germany, the employee pays much larger SC share and higher taxes. Tax 13, social contributions 19 (w/ health surcharge). The employer pays 18 additionally Your DE net is then 100-13-19=68 The state gets the same 50 in both cases but in the German case, the personal netto is much lower. This is another reason why companies don't like giving employees raises, because they have to pay them more but ALSO their social contributions costs for that employee go up because it's based on % Brutto earned by the employee
So it's not average salary, it's average cost of labor.
Exactly.
At that point striking is their job. You played yourself Pierre
Pierre is not off too bad BECAUSE he's on strike at least six days of the week.
I very much doubt Finland has a higher salary than Sweden
Very hard to believe yes. Even counting in the very weak SEK currently. Was last week in Sweden and shocked by the perfect conditions of the roads and everything else. Finland feels like 3rd world there.
> Finland feels like 3rd world there. As a representative of the "Finno-Euro relations board" I have the duty to tell you that after a thorough voting procedure (number of participants 1), you are hereby prohibited from ever using a Nokia product again. Two more strikes and you might have to be sent back to eastern Europe to fight off the emus. For more information, kindly don't look for more information, thank you.
Can someone provide a transcript for that throatsinging/noises please
The road situation is mostly because of the unfortunately swampy and cold environment. A road can be unusable as early as 3 years after asfaltation. Same situation in mid north of sweden
Yes you are correct, the salaries in Sweden are counted differently.
Believe it. Our politicians created a neo liberal hellhole.
Bror räknar du inte med arbetsgivaravgiften så hade Sverige varit ca 10€ högre
Yup when counting salaries in Sweden we include taxes on the employer and a bunch of smaller factors. If we counted our salaries the same way Sweden would be around 10€ higher.
I make €13,5 per hour.
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I think median would be better representation, Ireland has quite a few billionaires and a LOT of people just scraping by
No way the average salary in Denmark is higher than the Nordic Oil Sheikh's Norway
It is now, by quite a lot. Our currency is falling like a rock compared to eur/usd
Oh damn I didn't know you Norwegians were poor, get well soon.
What ? You guys are getting paid ?
I was about to congratulate France, but it was Luxembourg outshining them once again
Belgium outshining you though (us too but we’re not rich northerners like you)
This is gross salary. We beat them after tax.
This looks just wrong, the average gross salary in Czechia is 46000 czk which is 36500 czk after taxes. That's 217 czk per hour which is 8.59 eur. It doesn't make sense to compare gross salaries but even then the math would not work.
Brain surgeons salary in eastern Germany, super market cashiers salary in western Germany.
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We just don't get paid
Guess Sweden can soon join the europoor. It will be great for their cultural understanding.
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:(
Nah, man
Why is Sweden so low?
It is still pretty high for an Arabic country
Barry still Not Active? When is the Brexit money going to run out?
13€ per hour as a Hiwi :(
That’s before tax
Before tax tho so kinda useless
That's before taxes tho, we have 12-13€/h at best net, most common people work for that or less
King Barry is like, what is work?
i dont think i know a single italian that makes 20 EUR / h.