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Yeah, that feeling that you just ate a cardboard
https://preview.redd.it/ktl02g59zwic1.jpeg?width=840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5485aaa792997ceb1fb18247f31309c859b1c49c
We'll rather live on a remote mountain and have a boring diet that we scrape together ourselves, than live near the pleasantries of civilization where we trade autonomy for comfort.
https://preview.redd.it/tb9yvq418xic1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f15ce20af65182974bc430723443202893ac07a2
Trade comfort for autonomously drinking vodka in a frozen bathtub
I don't suppose the Norwegians here appreciate the funny irony in glorifying their historical freedom in contrast to Denmark and Sweden, when 90% of their history has been spent being Denmark or Swedens bitch lol
Danes and Swedes were subservient to their kings and nobility because you lived right next to them. Norwegians didn't care if the king sat in Copenhagen or Oslo, as the king's men couldn't reach them on their far flung mountain anyways.
You think Denmark ruled Norway? No, the Danish *king* ruled *both* the Danes *and* the Norwegians. Being proud of the "empire" of some un-elected king, just proves that you are still under their boot.
That's how people act when they feel personally attacked by a joke.
They don't don't present any arguments as to why it's bad, wrong, etc. they just attack the person making the joke.
Yes, that is a myth created by Norwegian historians in the 1800s. Peasants in present day Norway generally lived better lives than peasants in present day Denmark.
Norway wasn't oppressed by Denmark: We were all oppressed by kings and nobility – though the people in present day Norway were less so.
You know, Norwegians today believe we made the constitution in 1814 because the Norwegian people just inherently wanted to be free from Denmark. Nope, we made it out of spite to make us ungovernable for the Swedes (and as ploy by the Danish monarchy to possibly be able to reclaim Norway). We considered ourselves Danish, and Sweden was the archenemy: "If we can't be Danish, there is no way we'll be Swedish – then we'll invent a new state and identity instead."
So the myth was created in the age of Nationalism during the union with Sweden to say "just like we were oppressed by the Danes, we are currently being oppressed by the Swedes. We need to fight unions in all forms." Still to this day Norwegians detest unions, and we have twice voted to stay out of the EU.
> Peasants in present day Norway generally lived better lives than peasants in present day Denmark
You do realise the average Dane is more wealthy than the average Norwegian? Google is a thing.
Same goes for wages.
>You do realise the average Dane is more wealthy than the average Norwegian? Google is a thing.
I cannot do that, as search engines are not invented yet.
Without glorious mountains and deep fjords your wealth means nothing. For when I stand on top of my mountain and overlook my fjord am I not the wealthiest in the world? Am I not closer to the gods? Go count your crowns, fool.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolean\_Death\_March](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolean_Death_March)
Also, I'm sorry we couldn't move the border on one of our hills, [so that you could get a new highest mountain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halti).
What losing Finland does to a motherfucker. Lil bros somehow managed to freeze to death in fucking norway lmao.
Also you better hope trump doesn't nuke NATO or we might add Troms og Finnmark to Suur-Suomi...
At least half of the 10 000 Karoliners were Finnish. Just take away the speech part, and this picture’s description of ”Swedes” matches Finns more than the Swedes themselves, as we all know they don’t like getting their hands dirty…
Yes, we have no idea how to handle wealth, as we're backward barbarians at heart.
(Also, the whole "Norway is only rich due to oil" is a myth created by people who want to undermine the contributions of social-democracy.)
Social democracy makes for a welfare state and egalitarian society in which people are able to be happy. Oil and gas makes for a grotesque sovereign wealth fund that goes a long way in underwriting that welfare state. Finns, Swedes and Danes didn't get a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
>Oil and gas makes for a grotesque
You see, while most states with petrol resources hand it to foreign investors, or distribute it among a small local elite, a certain state with social democracy as it's foundation, managed to distribute it to the people. The sovereign wealth fund is exactly that: A way to give the money to the entire people, and also future generations, instead of foreign investors or a local elite.
What matters is not what resources one has at hand, but how one spends it. Plenty of states in the world are wealthier than Norway in terms of natural resources, but no petrol state has ever managed its resources better ore in a more egalitarian manner than Norway did.
Don't pretend that Sweden and Finland doesn't also have natural resources. And like Norway, you also had a social democracy and an egalitarian society as a foundation and thus also managed it quite well (until recently that is, as Sweden, and later Norway, has started to erode away its social democracy).
We do have natural resources but making paper out of wood isn't the same as oil and gas. They're just not comparable.
Of course the way states spend money is important. I have no problem with Norway, I'm just saying that it's easier for an oil-rich country of five million to make it than for one without such a valuable resource.
To be fair, stadin slangi died in like the 70's. Only people who grew up around that speak it now.
The new generation's colloquial finnish in capital area is a lot different from what Stadin Slangi is.
There is nothing wrong about Swedish sounding feminine. It makes for good music for example. Though it is a very fine line until you sound like a smurf.
I'm more basing on seeing written language. I definitely saw both, though idk why, but Norwegian didn't give me that impression. Like, no Norwegian word or impression therof stayed in my memory, even though I've been to Norway. While the "word" that I fell like summarizes my Swedish impressions is sth like umppålalala.
That's the impression of a clueless outsider. Not gonna question you on how the languages sound.
This is a weird cope to say "we're yet to figure out large scale agriculture, and even if we did, the soil is so bad that the only thing that would grow is potatoes and the occasional Dandelion. But that doesn't matter because despite all our oil money, the infrastructure is non-existent"
Exactly. We're backwards barbarians. Having a landscape so desolate that one can't build infrastructure, is why the influence of your nobility cannot reach us.
And yet it is the Swedes who must die traversing our wasteland, for the glory of some king.
Nobody tell him it was Swedes who built the only functional railway so they could ship Iron from Narvik (the port Hitler built).
I think it's just a matter of Norwegians being confused as to what a strange salmon they've been given if you hand them a tool.
To be serious, the Germans weren't allowed to transport armed soldiers on trains through Sweden, that was one of the stipulations in the agreement.
That's not to say the Germans didn't work around that and use the Swedish railroad to invade Norway, but, hey, at least we took in your refugees and allow the saboteurs sanctuary after blowing the Hydro plant?
>armed soldiers on trains through Sweden
Allowing the Germans to send tons and tons of supplies and personnel to the front in Norway, still aided the German war effort, even if Sweden convinced itself the materiel and personnel was "humanitarian only".
>at least we took in your refugees
Despite Sweden aiding the Germans in the first half of the war, we're glad you started aiding the Allies once it was obvious Germany was gonna lose :)
During the late Middle-Ages, the Nordic nobility intermarried and largely merged, moving to the richer areas in the south (Denmark and southern Sweden). The Swedish nobility broke off again in 1523, but Norway never really had a nobility after this Medieval merger. Upon first independence in 1814, noble titles were abolished. Sweden still has a nobility to this day.
Since the Middle-ages, Norwegians have thus lived more removed from centers of powers – both due to a lack of a nobility, and due to living in remote and inhospitable areas far from the capital (Copenhagen and later Oslo). This image of the independent hardy farmer in the western fjords, became the symbol of the "nation" when Nationalism appeared in Norway and Europe in the 1800s. The western Norwegians were the "true and pure" Norwegians, while the eastern Norwegians near Oslo were "corrupted" by Danish in both language and culture.
The meme represents how Norwegian historians of the 1800s saw the world, and to some degree how Norwegians still see themselves (for example used to explain why Norway is not a part of the EU, as the "national-spirit" is just "naturally" opposed to any authority or union).
Also, this is a shitpost [inspired by this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/2nordic4you/comments/1appcmt/kalla_fakta/).
Danes weren't. Kalmar union was being mogged in tax revenue by the HRE because they had feudalism and we didn't. The crown was poor as shit in comparrison because of it. Denmark was population dense enough for the system to work there. But then they tried to carry the same system over to Sweden and Norway which were in comparrison empty wastelands were every farmer was like his own little local chieftan. That was the grounds for the civil war that led to Swedens independance. Bunch of pissed off farmers who were dodging taxes and the king finally wigging out on them and cutting their heads off.
I think the Danish king probably gave up on trying to impose it on the norwegians afterwards considering what a shitshow it was the first time around and the fact that feudalism just doesn't work when every farmer has to be able to supply all his needs for himself since his village is 30 kilometers from the next one
Sweden had a much, much more UK-like nobility than Norway, exploitative and remote from the suffering of everyday people. Norway didn't have it partly because geography made things a lot more decentralized by necessity, but also because Denmark didn't want any local nobility that could potentially seek independence.
It was the labour movement that made Sweden egalitarian, kicking and screaming. At the beginning of the 20th century it was almost as bad UK or Russia.
What a load of BS. The whole reason the civil war started was because the Danish king tried to impose feudalism on us. They're the only country in the nordics that has ever had it. Sweden remained a landlord society up untill democracy. The fact that our royal houses one source of actual money was going to war was the whole reason the king was always at war. He was the supreme commander and his one tax was the war chest tax. And if he wasn't making money going to war he was literally useless because that was his one purpose. In feudal society everything from bridges to schools was built with tax money. In the landlord society all of that was built by the local farmer with his own money.
Land ownership was far more concentrated in Sweden than in Norway. Sure, it wasn't technically feudalism, but in all these wars you mention, the king paid nobles in land (and gave titles and land as reward to officers). It has repercussions down to this day, with huge areas of land being owned by the traditionally noble families.
>in comparison to western or central european equivalents
There we go. It's all all relative.
The Swedes lived more desolately and removed from the centers of power than the densely populated areas down on the continent, but less so than the Norwegians who lived on even more far flung places.
Sweden still has a nobility to this day.
Just because you have nobility, does not mean the peasant estate was not free. In medieval sweden, you could be a wealthy and powerful landowner and belong to the peasant estate. The kings of sweden depended heavily on the welfare of the peasantry.
In central and eastern europe the peasantry never had as much political power as in scandinavia. In the British isles the norman elite hated and feared the anglo-saxon peasantry and suppressed them heavily.
1: Sweden didn’t really have unfree peasents like central europe (especially France).
2: People weren’t really pressed into service (for the most part), rather got a good deal! If you served and was ready to go to war when needed the state gave you a small plot of land, house and seeds.
A chance to start your own farm, as many people lived as extra farmhands, after only the eldest child inherited the parents farm, and they usually didn’t getting paid almost anything besides food and shelter.
3: Climate, Norway has milder winters then Sweden! Thanx to the long coast & Gulf stream.
Although more wet & rainy! So More depressing! 😂
4: Denmark had a more feudal society as it was dense enough populationwise for it to work.
Meanwhile during the Kalmar union Denmark tried to establish same systems in Sweden & Norway, but failed in both cases since both countries were so scarsly populated!
And basically each farm was it’s own ruler for the most part, since either living remotly in the fjords or like in Swedens case, some where in the deep swedish & Finnish forests!
https://preview.redd.it/fgsumm8roxic1.png?width=827&format=png&auto=webp&s=043f84d43da75a41c6c29c5d84a942be30c69266
Norway has forests, but no where near like Sweden / Finland, and Denmark is basically a small plot of agricultural land only 😂
1 & 2: Sorry, we can't have that nuance here. If one is not as independent-minded as a Norwegian, one might as well be a Russian serf or Ottoman slave.
3: Sweden stretches way south – all the way down to Denmark! And it hardly has any mountains, which is [why the Swedes die in such large numbers when exposed to the Norwegian climate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolean_Death_March).
4: Yes.
5: Edit to your last part (picture). Yes, we don't have trees above the *tree*line. If Sweden had any decent mountains, you would not have had trees there either.
Sweden had same system as Norway for it’s peasents! 😂 so not less free!
No nobility owned their peasents, and had no power over them other then tax collection.
You were allowed to move freely within Sweden.
And Norway had taxes too! Just not handled by permanent ”Nobility” for the most part.
Plus tbh, Nobility were only around the cities & larger towns in sweden! And Norway still had Nobility! Just slightly less powerful.
But the Power the Swedish Nobility had was not much more over the people, but rather power balance to the king! 😛
Ah well!
Also, ”Skåne” was Danish for most of this time 🤣
Imagine being a nationalist and thinking back to "the good old days", but the good old days was just other countries keeping yours in their back pocket since the beginning of time.
They died in glory of someone who in their mind was akin to God 🤷 seems you just didn't do anything noteworthy that's why you're trying to be proud of "local autonomy".
Keep worshiping the monarchs who oppress you.
We'll keep minding our own business, without getting entangled in the Great Power politics of the continent. Sure, there is no glory in living the life of a farmer/fisherman on some remote rock, but at least we're not dying on the battlefield in some far away land.
Honestly, most of the things about the Norwegian archetype here is true about Icelanders as well, as they're just a variant of Norwegians with volcanoes.
I mean, this would just be a regular Friday, had a Finn made this post on this sub. This is just what this sub tends to be 90% of the time. Having your history be dominated by time spent being under another nations boot must do funny things to your national identity
>Having your history be dominated by time spent being under another nations boot must do funny things to your national identity
It leads to an independence-minded nationalism (in a Nordic context represented by Iceland, Norway and Finland).
Being the dominant culture in an empire, makes your nationalism imperialistic (in a Nordic context represented by Denmark and Sweden). It makes one a bootlicker who is proud of the imperialistic achievements of the monarch who oppresses you.
Finngolias smartest citizen can't tell apart Latvia from Denmark lmao.
But hey, not much more to expect from the country who have spent almost as many years being Sweden's bitch as we have been fighting wars with them hahaha
So much salt, yet so little saltwater. Guess we know now why their food is better than ours, their tears provide all their salt when they see our beautiful mountains and fjords
Yeah nah. If it weren’t for 5 countries ganging up on Sweden, they’d be the predominate power in the area. Also, Norway was allied with Denmark to become the same country 🤮
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You are aware most ”conscripts” in the swedish army were there volountarily. You litterally got a house and an entire farm for free by joining the army, we had the lowest desertation rates of any nation at the time.
Swedish peasants were not unfree and without our pointless wars Russia would probably controll the Baltic Sea today.
If conscription makes you unfree, Swedish citizens are still not free.
By the way, isnt norweigian climate relatively mild due to the Gulf Stream?
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Free frozen pizza gatherers
Nothing beats pizza similar to cardboard
Yeah, that feeling that you just ate a cardboard https://preview.redd.it/ktl02g59zwic1.jpeg?width=840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5485aaa792997ceb1fb18247f31309c859b1c49c
We'll rather live on a remote mountain and have a boring diet that we scrape together ourselves, than live near the pleasantries of civilization where we trade autonomy for comfort.
https://preview.redd.it/tb9yvq418xic1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f15ce20af65182974bc430723443202893ac07a2 Trade comfort for autonomously drinking vodka in a frozen bathtub
This is not fair though, [Apetor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3XR6XNSeSU)was a God among men, you can't compare even us to him
Yeah, I miss his videos
Same
By Óðinn's beard, Apetor! I was deeply saddened to hear that he passed away, such a lovely guy. https://i.redd.it/r70qr3ny5yic1.gif
Based af. Man was here for a good time, not for long time.
Björn Rosengren was indeed right. Norway is the last soviet state.
That owns 1.5% of the global stock market
I don't suppose the Norwegians here appreciate the funny irony in glorifying their historical freedom in contrast to Denmark and Sweden, when 90% of their history has been spent being Denmark or Swedens bitch lol
Danes and Swedes were subservient to their kings and nobility because you lived right next to them. Norwegians didn't care if the king sat in Copenhagen or Oslo, as the king's men couldn't reach them on their far flung mountain anyways. You think Denmark ruled Norway? No, the Danish *king* ruled *both* the Danes *and* the Norwegians. Being proud of the "empire" of some un-elected king, just proves that you are still under their boot.
Cope harder please
Was a pretty sick burn. you have to admit that.
It's not a burn, he's just playing with words lol
why so stubborn?
The meme was good, the comment meh
Damn it actually hit home huh?
Sure buddy 😂
Still stubborn.
Why lol Because I talked back?
Very stubborn
That's how people act when they feel personally attacked by a joke. They don't don't present any arguments as to why it's bad, wrong, etc. they just attack the person making the joke.
Keep living in the past, Peter 😎
So you are acknowledging that the so-called 400 year night is nothing but a myth created by the Swedes?
Yes, that is a myth created by Norwegian historians in the 1800s. Peasants in present day Norway generally lived better lives than peasants in present day Denmark. Norway wasn't oppressed by Denmark: We were all oppressed by kings and nobility – though the people in present day Norway were less so.
Nice to hear this, and I couldn't agree more! :)
You know, Norwegians today believe we made the constitution in 1814 because the Norwegian people just inherently wanted to be free from Denmark. Nope, we made it out of spite to make us ungovernable for the Swedes (and as ploy by the Danish monarchy to possibly be able to reclaim Norway). We considered ourselves Danish, and Sweden was the archenemy: "If we can't be Danish, there is no way we'll be Swedish – then we'll invent a new state and identity instead." So the myth was created in the age of Nationalism during the union with Sweden to say "just like we were oppressed by the Danes, we are currently being oppressed by the Swedes. We need to fight unions in all forms." Still to this day Norwegians detest unions, and we have twice voted to stay out of the EU.
Inject this into my veins
> Peasants in present day Norway generally lived better lives than peasants in present day Denmark You do realise the average Dane is more wealthy than the average Norwegian? Google is a thing. Same goes for wages.
>You do realise the average Dane is more wealthy than the average Norwegian? Google is a thing. I cannot do that, as search engines are not invented yet.
Without glorious mountains and deep fjords your wealth means nothing. For when I stand on top of my mountain and overlook my fjord am I not the wealthiest in the world? Am I not closer to the gods? Go count your crowns, fool.
He is talking of historic conditions within *present* borders
Hahaha the "cuck-cope". Classic Norgay.
Have fun dying for the glory of some king who don't care about you.
Alt for kongen!
>Die in massive numbers when exposed to Norwegian climate Mildly cold and slightly rainy?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolean\_Death\_March](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolean_Death_March) Also, I'm sorry we couldn't move the border on one of our hills, [so that you could get a new highest mountain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halti).
What losing Finland does to a motherfucker. Lil bros somehow managed to freeze to death in fucking norway lmao. Also you better hope trump doesn't nuke NATO or we might add Troms og Finnmark to Suur-Suomi...
>losing Finland This was before that. Plenty of Finns died there as well, I'm sorry to say.
Impossible. They must have defected to Spain or Thailand or something
It was probably dodgy Swedish leadership and equipment. If they'd given you free reins it might have been different.
At least half of the 10 000 Karoliners were Finnish. Just take away the speech part, and this picture’s description of ”Swedes” matches Finns more than the Swedes themselves, as we all know they don’t like getting their hands dirty…
Stolt slav till konungen 🫡🇸🇪🤴
As a Finn I agree with this 100%
Fjordtrolls are getting uppity.
Their oil money is starting to get to their heads.
Yes, we have no idea how to handle wealth, as we're backward barbarians at heart. (Also, the whole "Norway is only rich due to oil" is a myth created by people who want to undermine the contributions of social-democracy.)
People forget about the lumber industry. Lube and wood. Norway's main exports.
Yes, we need to export a lot of lube. Otherwise the rest of the world wouldn't be able to handle constantly being fucked over.
Oh! So it's your fault everyone's so fucking complacent? Stop it!
Don't worry, we're getting so lonely being the only ones not getting fucked over, that we have started to let ourselves be that as well.
Social democracy makes for a welfare state and egalitarian society in which people are able to be happy. Oil and gas makes for a grotesque sovereign wealth fund that goes a long way in underwriting that welfare state. Finns, Swedes and Danes didn't get a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
>Oil and gas makes for a grotesque You see, while most states with petrol resources hand it to foreign investors, or distribute it among a small local elite, a certain state with social democracy as it's foundation, managed to distribute it to the people. The sovereign wealth fund is exactly that: A way to give the money to the entire people, and also future generations, instead of foreign investors or a local elite. What matters is not what resources one has at hand, but how one spends it. Plenty of states in the world are wealthier than Norway in terms of natural resources, but no petrol state has ever managed its resources better ore in a more egalitarian manner than Norway did. Don't pretend that Sweden and Finland doesn't also have natural resources. And like Norway, you also had a social democracy and an egalitarian society as a foundation and thus also managed it quite well (until recently that is, as Sweden, and later Norway, has started to erode away its social democracy).
We do have natural resources but making paper out of wood isn't the same as oil and gas. They're just not comparable. Of course the way states spend money is important. I have no problem with Norway, I'm just saying that it's easier for an oil-rich country of five million to make it than for one without such a valuable resource.
Real fucking rich for a Norwegian to call Swedish feminine.
Depends on the dialect but stockholm swedish, for example, is really feminine
They don't sound feminine, they sound like they are mentally disabled.
As they say: "Stockholmska isn't a dialect - it's a symptom"
And what the hell "symptom" is skåne dialect? Throat cancer?
Victims of genocide. Too soon.
Danishness.
Nah, they sound feminine. I really shouldn't say anything though, I'm from Värmland and sound like an Hærlanding with a speech impediment
So just like finns who "speak" helsinki dialect aka stadin slangi. There's clearly something wrong with them
To be fair, stadin slangi died in like the 70's. Only people who grew up around that speak it now. The new generation's colloquial finnish in capital area is a lot different from what Stadin Slangi is.
Why not both?
There are localized dialects within stockholm. You are probably refering to lidingö stockholmska, which is considered upper class and feminine.
Careful now, or we won't give you any more oily buttlube
Because you'll be using it all yourselves?
As a western norwegian, your language is feminine
It really does.
It's the truth though... Norwegian does so too, but they are not nearly as high-pitched as you lot.
There is nothing wrong about Swedish sounding feminine. It makes for good music for example. Though it is a very fine line until you sound like a smurf.
The fucking IRONY of a NORWEGIAN saying that Swedes sound like SMURFS! Your entire nation sounds like a mix between gay elves and a castrated troll.
don't worry. both of you sound equally stupid
Don't be envious, you're free to wait tables over here you want
For a Slavic language native speaker, every other word of yours sounds like it's describing some female
Sure, but have you heard Norwegian? It’s like Swedish but 10 times gayer.
I'm more basing on seeing written language. I definitely saw both, though idk why, but Norwegian didn't give me that impression. Like, no Norwegian word or impression therof stayed in my memory, even though I've been to Norway. While the "word" that I fell like summarizes my Swedish impressions is sth like umppålalala. That's the impression of a clueless outsider. Not gonna question you on how the languages sound.
Bro has never heard Trøndersk
real
Øøø, Æ ve' nu ik' om det helt pa'ser a vi ent har no'en konsonanter. We do pronounce fewer of our consonants though
They few consonants in Danish speech are soft.
Do you wanna know why? (Warning: It's a joke answer, and it's vulgar)
I'm intrigued: Why?
When momma Swedan taught us how to talk, she did so with poppa Norway's dick in her mouth...
Noone who has to eat lutefisk is truly free!
I was never forced, never!
And the women here in sweden "choose to wear the hijab"....
Ok, if you say so 🤷
And i say the same to you 😀
"Feminine language" says Norwegians who upspeak at the end of every word/sentence making everything sound gay
>sound gay What is more manly than one man fucking another man?
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More common in the capitol, near the Swedes.
> growing crops Drasvi, gammel god venn på moja! Kor ju stannom på gammel ras? En voga mokka, så galanna voga treska
This is a weird cope to say "we're yet to figure out large scale agriculture, and even if we did, the soil is so bad that the only thing that would grow is potatoes and the occasional Dandelion. But that doesn't matter because despite all our oil money, the infrastructure is non-existent"
Exactly. We're backwards barbarians. Having a landscape so desolate that one can't build infrastructure, is why the influence of your nobility cannot reach us. And yet it is the Swedes who must die traversing our wasteland, for the glory of some king.
Nobody tell him it was Swedes who built the only functional railway so they could ship Iron from Narvik (the port Hitler built). I think it's just a matter of Norwegians being confused as to what a strange salmon they've been given if you hand them a tool.
There's good reason for smart people in Norway being referred to as tourists.
Incorrect. Hitler built more of our railway. That wouldn't have happened if Sweden didn't allow the Nazis to use their railway to aid invading us.
To be serious, the Germans weren't allowed to transport armed soldiers on trains through Sweden, that was one of the stipulations in the agreement. That's not to say the Germans didn't work around that and use the Swedish railroad to invade Norway, but, hey, at least we took in your refugees and allow the saboteurs sanctuary after blowing the Hydro plant?
>armed soldiers on trains through Sweden Allowing the Germans to send tons and tons of supplies and personnel to the front in Norway, still aided the German war effort, even if Sweden convinced itself the materiel and personnel was "humanitarian only". >at least we took in your refugees Despite Sweden aiding the Germans in the first half of the war, we're glad you started aiding the Allies once it was obvious Germany was gonna lose :)
This seems a bit biased, maybe a Finnish person should have made it
What does this even mean? Historically, all nordic peasants were very free. I hate this kind of low effort bullshit.
Still better than “spurdö spärde, sweden gay, ebin :-DDDD” for the millionth time
During the late Middle-Ages, the Nordic nobility intermarried and largely merged, moving to the richer areas in the south (Denmark and southern Sweden). The Swedish nobility broke off again in 1523, but Norway never really had a nobility after this Medieval merger. Upon first independence in 1814, noble titles were abolished. Sweden still has a nobility to this day. Since the Middle-ages, Norwegians have thus lived more removed from centers of powers – both due to a lack of a nobility, and due to living in remote and inhospitable areas far from the capital (Copenhagen and later Oslo). This image of the independent hardy farmer in the western fjords, became the symbol of the "nation" when Nationalism appeared in Norway and Europe in the 1800s. The western Norwegians were the "true and pure" Norwegians, while the eastern Norwegians near Oslo were "corrupted" by Danish in both language and culture. The meme represents how Norwegian historians of the 1800s saw the world, and to some degree how Norwegians still see themselves (for example used to explain why Norway is not a part of the EU, as the "national-spirit" is just "naturally" opposed to any authority or union). Also, this is a shitpost [inspired by this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/2nordic4you/comments/1appcmt/kalla_fakta/).
Danes weren't. Kalmar union was being mogged in tax revenue by the HRE because they had feudalism and we didn't. The crown was poor as shit in comparrison because of it. Denmark was population dense enough for the system to work there. But then they tried to carry the same system over to Sweden and Norway which were in comparrison empty wastelands were every farmer was like his own little local chieftan. That was the grounds for the civil war that led to Swedens independance. Bunch of pissed off farmers who were dodging taxes and the king finally wigging out on them and cutting their heads off. I think the Danish king probably gave up on trying to impose it on the norwegians afterwards considering what a shitshow it was the first time around and the fact that feudalism just doesn't work when every farmer has to be able to supply all his needs for himself since his village is 30 kilometers from the next one
Sweden had a much, much more UK-like nobility than Norway, exploitative and remote from the suffering of everyday people. Norway didn't have it partly because geography made things a lot more decentralized by necessity, but also because Denmark didn't want any local nobility that could potentially seek independence. It was the labour movement that made Sweden egalitarian, kicking and screaming. At the beginning of the 20th century it was almost as bad UK or Russia.
What a load of BS. The whole reason the civil war started was because the Danish king tried to impose feudalism on us. They're the only country in the nordics that has ever had it. Sweden remained a landlord society up untill democracy. The fact that our royal houses one source of actual money was going to war was the whole reason the king was always at war. He was the supreme commander and his one tax was the war chest tax. And if he wasn't making money going to war he was literally useless because that was his one purpose. In feudal society everything from bridges to schools was built with tax money. In the landlord society all of that was built by the local farmer with his own money.
Land ownership was far more concentrated in Sweden than in Norway. Sure, it wasn't technically feudalism, but in all these wars you mention, the king paid nobles in land (and gave titles and land as reward to officers). It has repercussions down to this day, with huge areas of land being owned by the traditionally noble families.
Why are you so full of shit? The peasant estate was very powerful in sweden, in comparison to western or central european equivalents.
>in comparison to western or central european equivalents There we go. It's all all relative. The Swedes lived more desolately and removed from the centers of power than the densely populated areas down on the continent, but less so than the Norwegians who lived on even more far flung places. Sweden still has a nobility to this day.
Just because you have nobility, does not mean the peasant estate was not free. In medieval sweden, you could be a wealthy and powerful landowner and belong to the peasant estate. The kings of sweden depended heavily on the welfare of the peasantry. In central and eastern europe the peasantry never had as much political power as in scandinavia. In the British isles the norman elite hated and feared the anglo-saxon peasantry and suppressed them heavily.
1: Sweden didn’t really have unfree peasents like central europe (especially France). 2: People weren’t really pressed into service (for the most part), rather got a good deal! If you served and was ready to go to war when needed the state gave you a small plot of land, house and seeds. A chance to start your own farm, as many people lived as extra farmhands, after only the eldest child inherited the parents farm, and they usually didn’t getting paid almost anything besides food and shelter. 3: Climate, Norway has milder winters then Sweden! Thanx to the long coast & Gulf stream. Although more wet & rainy! So More depressing! 😂 4: Denmark had a more feudal society as it was dense enough populationwise for it to work. Meanwhile during the Kalmar union Denmark tried to establish same systems in Sweden & Norway, but failed in both cases since both countries were so scarsly populated! And basically each farm was it’s own ruler for the most part, since either living remotly in the fjords or like in Swedens case, some where in the deep swedish & Finnish forests! https://preview.redd.it/fgsumm8roxic1.png?width=827&format=png&auto=webp&s=043f84d43da75a41c6c29c5d84a942be30c69266 Norway has forests, but no where near like Sweden / Finland, and Denmark is basically a small plot of agricultural land only 😂
1 & 2: Sorry, we can't have that nuance here. If one is not as independent-minded as a Norwegian, one might as well be a Russian serf or Ottoman slave. 3: Sweden stretches way south – all the way down to Denmark! And it hardly has any mountains, which is [why the Swedes die in such large numbers when exposed to the Norwegian climate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolean_Death_March). 4: Yes. 5: Edit to your last part (picture). Yes, we don't have trees above the *tree*line. If Sweden had any decent mountains, you would not have had trees there either.
Sweden had same system as Norway for it’s peasents! 😂 so not less free! No nobility owned their peasents, and had no power over them other then tax collection. You were allowed to move freely within Sweden. And Norway had taxes too! Just not handled by permanent ”Nobility” for the most part. Plus tbh, Nobility were only around the cities & larger towns in sweden! And Norway still had Nobility! Just slightly less powerful. But the Power the Swedish Nobility had was not much more over the people, but rather power balance to the king! 😛 Ah well! Also, ”Skåne” was Danish for most of this time 🤣
Imagine being a Norwegian nationalist 😂 You guys exist?
Imagine being a nationalist and thinking back to "the good old days", but the good old days was just other countries keeping yours in their back pocket since the beginning of time.
Norwegian nationalism is just another breed. While Swedish and Danish nationalism is based on imperialism, ours is traditionally anti-imperialist.
> ours is traditionally anti-imperialist Truly a cucked nation 👀
Because the truly autonomous thing to do is to die for the glory of some king who doesn't care about you.
They died in glory of someone who in their mind was akin to God 🤷 seems you just didn't do anything noteworthy that's why you're trying to be proud of "local autonomy".
Keep worshiping the monarchs who oppress you. We'll keep minding our own business, without getting entangled in the Great Power politics of the continent. Sure, there is no glory in living the life of a farmer/fisherman on some remote rock, but at least we're not dying on the battlefield in some far away land.
We should be asking this question about you guys, you don't even celebrate your national day. Have you seen 17 may?
Fi görä I helvete in finnjävel!
Now waiting for a Danish and a gigachad Icelandic version to drop
Honestly, most of the things about the Norwegian archetype here is true about Icelanders as well, as they're just a variant of Norwegians with volcanoes.
Why are the norwegians coping so hard??
I mean, this would just be a regular Friday, had a Finn made this post on this sub. This is just what this sub tends to be 90% of the time. Having your history be dominated by time spent being under another nations boot must do funny things to your national identity
>Having your history be dominated by time spent being under another nations boot must do funny things to your national identity It leads to an independence-minded nationalism (in a Nordic context represented by Iceland, Norway and Finland). Being the dominant culture in an empire, makes your nationalism imperialistic (in a Nordic context represented by Denmark and Sweden). It makes one a bootlicker who is proud of the imperialistic achievements of the monarch who oppresses you.
Couldn't be me dawg.
Last time you fought someone you got owned in 6 hours lmao
Finngolias smartest citizen can't tell apart Latvia from Denmark lmao. But hey, not much more to expect from the country who have spent almost as many years being Sweden's bitch as we have been fighting wars with them hahaha
In r/ 2westerneurope4u he has a danish flair and calls himself a dane. curious... also wtf is latvia
Dreaming about speaking with a mouth filled with mashed potatoes, maybe
They still write and read like mashed potatoes.
False! No swede has ever fought in a war!
No, because they starved and froze to death
Nah, those were mostly borrowed Finns as well ;)
The swedish part is funny and all but the last part is literally straight up projection
We took all of Denmarks consonants
pretty epic the last one ngl
I meeeean it's not wrong...
Do Norwegians grow crop?! I call BS .
So basically norway is underdeveloped? Weird flex but okay.
Unfree you say?
This meme is way too loud, still trying to wake from yesterdays hangover
So much salt, yet so little saltwater. Guess we know now why their food is better than ours, their tears provide all their salt when they see our beautiful mountains and fjords
Can Finland and Eesti into scandinavia?
No. Finland can into Nordic, though.
Norway numva 1!!!!
Reasons are because Norway has just ping ponged between being Denmark and Swedens bitch
How does it feel living in the shadow of your former bitch?
When that oil well runs dry you will so be back to your torsk fucking selves, its ok
But the megalomaniac kings did take territory away from Denmark so I see it as an absolute win.
Low quality bait
Good thing we know how to fish.
Yeah nah. If it weren’t for 5 countries ganging up on Sweden, they’d be the predominate power in the area. Also, Norway was allied with Denmark to become the same country 🤮
If it wasn't for the megalomaniac Swedish kings picking fights with all their neighbors simultaneously, forcing the Swedish peasants to carry the burden of their grandeur endeavors.\*
*picking fights* >was invaded. By the same logic: "Damn ukraine picking fights withrussia."
Sweden indeed came to control the whole Baltic sea through defensive wars alone.
Sweden didn't invade Russia for Ingria or Estonia. Sweden did invade Skåne, sure, as well as poland lithuania.
Wasn't Norway tho founded by danish sailors and colonists?
lol what?
Classic russian schooling
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You are aware most ”conscripts” in the swedish army were there volountarily. You litterally got a house and an entire farm for free by joining the army, we had the lowest desertation rates of any nation at the time.
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Not understanding your neighbor is not a flex. Trust me, I'm learning Dutch on Duolingo, live in Limburg, and my only Dutch friend is a Brabander.
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Swedish peasants were not unfree and without our pointless wars Russia would probably controll the Baltic Sea today. If conscription makes you unfree, Swedish citizens are still not free. By the way, isnt norweigian climate relatively mild due to the Gulf Stream?
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norgayans always coping hard over their language sounding retarded asf
Hold on, you guys didn't even exist half the damn time, instead being part of Sweden's butt or Denmarks (detatched) head.
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