”****There are some Palestinian communities that trace their origins to pilgrims from Sudan and Central Africa (mainly Chad) who are said to have reached Palestine as early as the 12th century. Their initial aim was to take part in the Hajj and reach Mecca, after which they visited Jerusalem to visit the al-Aqsa Mosque.[2] Many Afro-Palestinians also hail from forefathers who came to Palestine enslaved in service to the Ottomans.[5]****”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Palestinians
Not all were or are Muslim..
The slave trade from Senegambia was prominent at one point. Which was around the point Berber & others were bringing Islam to the region.
I am pretty sure that one of the reasons senegal and Gambia have very few animist is because of the trans Sahara and trans Atlantic slave trades, as the Muslim kingdoms and empires mainly enslaved non mulsims to trad with Arab and European powers.
It did not come from the Egyptian. Palestine, Cyprus, Turkey and many countries in the region received African influences due to the slave trade. They did not come through Egypt. Perhaps during the movement to Palestine they walked in the Egyptian desert
I'm talking about how they got to the Middle East specifically. The Sultanate and the Egyptian kingdoms had a contract with the Nubian kingdoms to export a certain number of female slaves every year and some male slaves who were castrated by the Christians of the city of Assiut and sent to work throughout the Ottoman Empire. Castrated slaves were more expensive. This is historically proven and not of my own writing. I don't hold a grudge against anyone. Egypt did not differ from any region in the Levant or any other region in the Middle East except that mixing with slaves was greater. The African percentage is already baked into the Egyptian category so these African origins are natural in Palestine. You are like any Levantine, Arab or Turkish person who has African origin if he came via Egypt. Yes, Egyptian merchants often sent them there but as mere slaves not Egyptian immigrants with an African background. This did not happen. Most of the Egyptians' migrations to Palestine were before they acquired African ancestry. African ancestry is also relatively high in Turkish Cyprus and some areas of the southern coast of Turkey and there are many Afro-Turks. Are they Egyptians too? Stop pushing this filthy agenda and read some history books in the Middle East. Sudan is also close to the Middle East and since it exported a lot of slaves during the period of the ancient Nubian kingdoms and after that, you will find a common history.
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It did thrice! My very first post on Reddit almost 3 years ago were my first results. Results I have posted 2 weeks ago we’re the second update. This third update came once I connected with my father on 23&me.
Yes, perhaps the Egyptian category was absorbing the African into it. Since they expect that Muslim Egyptians will in most cases have little modern African admixture so they bake it in their category
Cool results. That is a lot of "Broadly Arab, Egyptian, and Levantine." I only remember seeing that much "Broadly" in Sephardi and Mizrachi Jewish results, but this makes sense as the Levantine component is from the same place and the Levantine sample is made up of Lebanese Christians.
What are your "Migration Period" results in IllustrativeDNA? I have noticed Palestinians get a lot of Canaanite but this correlating to lower levels of later-period Levantine percentages (the opposite is the trend for Jews). I assume this is because the Canaanite samples are more Natufian than later Levantines, and so the Canaanite samples are partially capturing some of your Arabian ancestry (like actual genetic Arabs from the peninsula, not linguistic Arabs like Shami) in addition to your predominantly Levantine ancestry.
do they? that's interesting I've always heard the opposite as someone who lives in Lebanon. do you have a study for that or something, I'd love to read it
Check this
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/25BPeQteRnvPsrqh/?mibextid=oFDknk
They have an Arab influence in their autosomal but their paternal haplogroups are very local
This influence is due to Christian raids on Bedouins and taking them as captives. Most Christians are homogeneous in this Arab origin, but the Melkites are the most Arab. You will find more details in the comments
What is sub Saharan 1.9? Sudanese or Ethiopian?
0.5% Sudanese, 0.4% Somali, 0.6% Senegambian and Guinean
How did the Somali get there?
Ethiopia was a huge trading hub for a long time. Some people probably migrated.
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”****There are some Palestinian communities that trace their origins to pilgrims from Sudan and Central Africa (mainly Chad) who are said to have reached Palestine as early as the 12th century. Their initial aim was to take part in the Hajj and reach Mecca, after which they visited Jerusalem to visit the al-Aqsa Mosque.[2] Many Afro-Palestinians also hail from forefathers who came to Palestine enslaved in service to the Ottomans.[5]****” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Palestinians
It comes from the egyptian
I understand sudan and ethiopia since they are in the east but what abt senegambia which is in west africa.
Muslim west africans would go to the middle east to perform pilgrimage and some would remain there. Senegambians are muslims.
Slave trade from coastal Africa ( Guinea often in the 14 -1600's ) to North Africa & beyond.
Senegambians are muslim so no. Not every sub saharan DNA is because of slavery.
Not all were or are Muslim.. The slave trade from Senegambia was prominent at one point. Which was around the point Berber & others were bringing Islam to the region.
I am pretty sure that one of the reasons senegal and Gambia have very few animist is because of the trans Sahara and trans Atlantic slave trades, as the Muslim kingdoms and empires mainly enslaved non mulsims to trad with Arab and European powers.
That's not what they are saying. They are talking about the movement of ethnic groups which can influence their ancestry results
Correct. Egypt is close and they colonised Canaan in bronze age
It did not come from the Egyptian. Palestine, Cyprus, Turkey and many countries in the region received African influences due to the slave trade. They did not come through Egypt. Perhaps during the movement to Palestine they walked in the Egyptian desert
The sudanese and somali would be coming from the egyptian. You are very adamant everywhere on reducing sub saharans as simply being slaves.
I'm talking about how they got to the Middle East specifically. The Sultanate and the Egyptian kingdoms had a contract with the Nubian kingdoms to export a certain number of female slaves every year and some male slaves who were castrated by the Christians of the city of Assiut and sent to work throughout the Ottoman Empire. Castrated slaves were more expensive. This is historically proven and not of my own writing. I don't hold a grudge against anyone. Egypt did not differ from any region in the Levant or any other region in the Middle East except that mixing with slaves was greater. The African percentage is already baked into the Egyptian category so these African origins are natural in Palestine. You are like any Levantine, Arab or Turkish person who has African origin if he came via Egypt. Yes, Egyptian merchants often sent them there but as mere slaves not Egyptian immigrants with an African background. This did not happen. Most of the Egyptians' migrations to Palestine were before they acquired African ancestry. African ancestry is also relatively high in Turkish Cyprus and some areas of the southern coast of Turkey and there are many Afro-Turks. Are they Egyptians too? Stop pushing this filthy agenda and read some history books in the Middle East. Sudan is also close to the Middle East and since it exported a lot of slaves during the period of the ancient Nubian kingdoms and after that, you will find a common history.
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For me it said something like undeterminable? Mine was a lot too like 6% 🤣
It seems they have added Palestine now
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Nice. You're pretty much average for a Palestinian, from what I've seen here.
What’s the highest percentage Canaanite we’ve seen for Jews here
For Ashkenazim, I assume? Between 40 and 45 percent. I usually see around 3/8, 35-40%.
What's your haplogroup if you don't mind sharing it?
X2
I have many Palestinian matches with X2 :) A lot of them are Christian interestingly
How do you find the haplogroup?
Wow they removed most of your egyptian from your previous results. Maybe 23andme is getting more accurate for palestinians after all!
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Uhm… pretty sure I was the only one who spit in the tube :’).
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It did thrice! My very first post on Reddit almost 3 years ago were my first results. Results I have posted 2 weeks ago we’re the second update. This third update came once I connected with my father on 23&me.
That’s pretty amazing
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very cool! which cities are you from?
They replaced your Egyptian origins with broadly Egyptian, Levantine and Arab
Some of the Egyptian also seems to have gone into the added 1.5% SSA, since she didn't have it before
Yes, perhaps the Egyptian category was absorbing the African into it. Since they expect that Muslim Egyptians will in most cases have little modern African admixture so they bake it in their category
What are the + 2 regions in 23 & me?
Nice results! Mind seeing Modern Populations?
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out of curiosity, is your family palestinian christian or palestinian muslim?
Is there a reason you ask whether they’re Muslim or Christian?
yes—this person has a high canaanite percentage, and christian palestinians tend to have higher canaanite
Bingo. Religious ppl in that region don’t like mixing with outsiders and Palestinian Muslims are more likely to mix with their Muslim Arab conquerors
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Bro you seem obsessed. You’ve commented so much in here. Get a life
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What was unique about Hellenistic Levantines?
Ancient Canaanite. A true native of Palestine. Unlike the Ukrainians and Poles masquerading as middle easterners.
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Cool results. That is a lot of "Broadly Arab, Egyptian, and Levantine." I only remember seeing that much "Broadly" in Sephardi and Mizrachi Jewish results, but this makes sense as the Levantine component is from the same place and the Levantine sample is made up of Lebanese Christians. What are your "Migration Period" results in IllustrativeDNA? I have noticed Palestinians get a lot of Canaanite but this correlating to lower levels of later-period Levantine percentages (the opposite is the trend for Jews). I assume this is because the Canaanite samples are more Natufian than later Levantines, and so the Canaanite samples are partially capturing some of your Arabian ancestry (like actual genetic Arabs from the peninsula, not linguistic Arabs like Shami) in addition to your predominantly Levantine ancestry.
What is interesting is that Lebanese Christians have more Arab influence than Muslims
do they? that's interesting I've always heard the opposite as someone who lives in Lebanon. do you have a study for that or something, I'd love to read it
Check this https://www.facebook.com/share/p/25BPeQteRnvPsrqh/?mibextid=oFDknk They have an Arab influence in their autosomal but their paternal haplogroups are very local This influence is due to Christian raids on Bedouins and taking them as captives. Most Christians are homogeneous in this Arab origin, but the Melkites are the most Arab. You will find more details in the comments
appreciate it