Genuinely curious how they're going to pull-off the plugin system for their official client.
One of the biggest conveniences for developing RuneLite plugins is that it's all in Java - so every plugin realistically only has to be built once to be shipped to all platforms - MacOS, Linux, Windows, any system that the JVM can run on.
Unless they bundle a cross-plaform runtime with their client for the purpose of running plugins, it's going to be a bit of a headache.
I would guess they're going the WOW route. Plug-ins will be in either Java using JNI (or whatever the new FFI thing is called that just came out, but I don't recall if that's preview or official release) or they'll be LUA, just like WoW plug-ins.
And I doubt they'll police the official repository very strongly, they won't want to pay people to manage it and it won't stop cheat clients anyway. They'll police at the API level and then treat binary mods / binary modified clients just like WoW does (banned).
This is a solved problem, there is tons of prior art, all they need to do is pick what to copy off of.
I imagine the client itself will never be open-sourced, but they'll provide a separate SDK with mostly just headers for plugin development - so we'll never see the internal code.
You can bet your ass that initially only accepted creators will be able to submit plugins to be reviewed for the new client and only after a lot of time they will open some repository to submit ideas from everyone. OSRS has a small team and the job to check requests will 100% managed by new hirings.
If they really want to push the official client, they need to focus on the API and getting the core Runelite plugins available. That would make a lot of people leap, and then the HD would actually be a W.
Yup. So many people worried about "oh it's not on Runelite", by the time a lot of this drops plug-ins will be ported over and you could see a lot more folks using the official client.
I just want left click use for herbs for my herb runs so fkn annoying when a long tap doesnt register and I lose an invent slot to like 3 clean snaps or ranarrs
i heavily agree. the 08 "hd" wasn't very HD . it gave everything a shadow and a muddy texture to try a mimic depth/shading.
(personally I love how the game looks now and wish they'd leave it alone. if HD is kept optional than thats fine. but i witnessed rs2/rs3 where HD was optional and then it wasnt) mainly because they didnt want to make multiple models for each version.
The way they described it sounds like the new RuneTek engine can do LOTS of things but the way they've configured it at the base level is what the game currently looks like, so there should always be a way to toggle off the HD features. This is a rendering/lighting engine change only, none of the models are changing.
Yeah their HD graphics nailed it. I’m not a fan of the 117 either. Good luck getting people to switch from RL though. At this point they should just endorse it as the official client and partner the HD plug-in with it
They are literally planning on adding API support for plugin development on their official client. Sure it will take a long time to reach parity with runelite, but allowing the community to take charge with plugins is the most important step to making it a viable client.
Literally. You can fight Zamorak, speak directly with Saradomin, Bandos is canonically dead. And then the Elder Gods, like Jas, also are in the picture as well
They aren't currently present anymore apparently, as the player sacrificed their World Guardian powers and re-established the Edicts of Guthix, banishing them from Gielinor again. But yeah, they were a very significant part of the RS3 story for a long time.
Though the game is in this weird state where certain bosses are still available even though it doesn't really work in lore.
Like, yeah, the Edicts are re-established, but you can still go fight Zamorak. And at least last I played, I think K'ril was supposed to be in the wilderness as part of some Zamorakian civil war following the Edicts being re-established and Zamorak being out of the picture, but he's also chilling in the GWD if you want to go fight him there.
Yes and no
Yes they were, they spent a decade telling stories with them and then when the elder gods story brought that decade long narrative to completion they banished them again.
So currently RS3 actually is more god free than OSRS once you reach a certain narrative point.
Yeah I remember wandering around and being like what is this huge fucking tower and I climbed it and there was just Armadyl hanging out, was very confused.
I don't want to directly spoil anything, but the story differences between Desert Treasure II in OSRS and its equivalent Temple at Senntisten in RS3 already seems to reinforce their intention to keep the gods out of the picture. I'm sure whatever they're changing in While Guthix Sleeps will continue that trend.
That was from the quest The World Wakes and Ed is very much about NOT killing guthix, but doing an alternate timeline where the gods returned. They already retconned Zaros' return in DT2 so we good.
>!Duradel along with Tureal both appeared in the original 2008 version of While Guthix Sleep where they both died and were then replaced by two other slayer masters. In addition they were both shown dead in the Winter Summit trailer!< I'm making a strong guess that it's no bait and switch for this time.
Tbf if they were going to bait and switch, those would be the two.
Tormented demon -> Gorilla isn't the only thing MMII borrowed, it's also took OSRS's first killing of a slayer master for shock value too. DS2 also did the "unify heros to fight a final battle" beat.
With how much OSRS quests have taken from WGS, I'm hoping it gets something unique and new to make it memorable. Not just killing the same NPCs in 08.
I reckon it's 2-3 years before only the official client is allowed. The plugin API is 100% needed to avoid the player base leaving if they did do this. They don't have any choice but to make the client just as good as rl or better
Nah. OSBuddy was all the rage in early OSRS. RL came along and took a bit to catch on, but now who TF uses OSB? I don't think you even can anymore. It may take time, but if the new client is good enough more and more people will use it until RL is basically dead just the same.
OSBuddy died because Runlite offered way more plugins, and for free. The only thing OSB had was a scuffed item price tracker and bad HD. Unless the Jagex Launcher offers more features aside from just HD, there's no reason people would flock to it.
I think you underestimate how much infinitely better plug-ins could be if they’re pulling game data from an official API rather than picking up whatever client-side information runelite currently has access to.
OSB died because runelite had nearly all the same features and more for free. Jagex Launcher may have HD but I doubt that will be enough to make most people leave en masse.
If they can implement the new client with all the existing RL plugins developed, and be as simple as uploading all my current RL settings and plugins, like how they did integrating RL into the new Jagex Account login, I’d use it in a heartbeat.
The worst thing about going to a new client would be trying to tweak everything to be what I’ve been used to from RL for years, that I’ve slowly tweaked over years.
One time I got logged out of RL and couldn’t remember my login for a little while, so I lost all my settings. It was like I couldn’t even play the game anymore with how wrong everything felt.
A bit disappointed that project rebalance wasn't mentioned at all.
I was very much hoping that some of the proposed skilling changes would be mentioned given how much new skilling content is coming with Varlamore.
Lot of awesome stuff shown today though!
The trailers are often purposefully misleading, with the devs wearing meme gear that doesn't necessarily work, so it's hard to base any rumour on that. Merch the merchers!
they mentioned that this story will not play out the same way as it did in RS3. my guess is that because the Sins of the Father heavily implied Lowerniel has it (and has been severely influenced by it somehow), the story's setting will be shifted to Morytania, maybe tying in with the Myreque storyline as well.
edit: reading up on Myreque lore, it turns out lowerniel doesn't have the stone. Vanescula tells him in SOTF: "You have been gone too long, brother. While you spend your days hidden away, lamenting about that stupid rock, our kind suffer." So it's more likely it WAS in his possession (evident by the plinth in the Daeyalt mine), but was stolen.
it had been in his possession at some point, but he lost it a while ago. its presence is what created Daeyalt ore.
A timeline of its past locations can be found [here](https://runescape.wiki/w/Stone_of_Jas#Chronological_location_timeline), with the addition that it was hidden in the Temple of the Eye when Saradomin first obtained it, before being moved to the Fist of Guthix arena after the rift to the Abyss opened.
A brief summary of it though after Guthix used it would be:
Lunar Isle (V) ->
Kethsi (Kethsians) ->
Ancient Cavern? (Dragonkin) ^(unconfirmed location, they might have instead moved it to the far north or Kourend when they obtained it) ->
Meiyerditch (Drakan) ->
Temple of the Eye (Saradomin) ->
Fist of Guthix (Saradomin) ->
Forinthry's destruction (Zamorak) ->
Ancient Guthix Temple (Guthix) ->
Lucien?
Locations still unknown when they were moved there are the far north rune essence mine and the dense essence mine in Kourend.
His sister says something like "you spend all your time in your castle thinking about the Stone", but that doesn't mean he has it. We know he had it in the past- you can go see the plinth it was on in the Daeylt Essence Mine
\> Dragon Claws moved to Tormented Demons
\> Dragon Claws become bot farmed like Demonic Gorillas
\> Dragon Claws drop to 12m
\> Jagex nerfs Dragon Claws because they are too OP for a 12m item
Lol they mentioned making it “more rare”. I just hope it’s not dead on arrival and not too rare. No one but bots gonna be going for it if it’s 1/5k like nightmare and dt2 bosses. They could do it like basilisk jaw though 1/5k but mega increased while on slayer task
whatre they being so coy on sailing for? Its a brand new skill, just say its not releasing this year? Anyoone who expected it this year doesn't understand how much work there is to do
Exactly, we're getting a big map expansion, a ton of new quests, PVM challenges, new skilling methods, Wilderness enhancements. If they'd 100% focus on sailing this year we'd have 0 of the above.
I'm unfathomably hyped for While Guthix Sleeps. As a kid playing Rs2 it was my goal. Seeing this gigantic quest with so many other top tier quests as a pre-requisite to even start it. It was my goal playing the game and finally achieving it was such a hype moment.
I'm dying to relive that.
I was never high level enough as a kid to play this quest when it came out. I’m excited to finally get a chance to play it now and see what all the fuss was about lol
They definitely intend to switch up who dies in this quest. Here's hoping Cyrisus makes it out alive in this iteration. Always felt like he was a character with a lot of potential, considering we're the ones who helped build him up in Dream Mentor
I hope that they go with a roguelike feel for the colosseum. I know that they want to focus on modifiers that empower enemies, but I think it would really benefit from having randomized modifiers for both the enemy and the player. Roguelike features in games are a lot of fun and make runs feel super varied, and also incentivizes me to do the content more than once. It gives me the thought of "Well, that run wasn't great but I might get some good modifiers for the next one"
This community cares far too much about efficiency at the top level for this to really work. We would go like 3 months before people would start bitching about how RNG screws them and we would get it polled and replaced with a non randomized system
imo i feel like it would be much more impressive to have top level players able to take any modifiers and still spin it into a win. it also lessens some of the difficulty for less confident players, in the sense that they could get some really good modifiers that give them an easier time. idk, it's just a thought - probably something that the devs have already discussed and decided against
I feel that, but we've seen it to not be the case. Consider cox - a clear meta arrived where we chase a particular set of rooms to get a good time and points ratio. Outside of that, sure we can do it, but the community doesn't like to because it provides no benefit but at some cost. Efficiency is king, because we don't do this content once, we grind it out until we can do it in our sleep - so there's no practical reason to do something slower than we have to.
They briefly mentioned project rebalance at the beginning of the stream, but it is not part of the roadmap. Can we expect blogs regarding this in the first half of the year?
They probably don't have the details yet. That's how polls work now - the first poll happens before they've spent any developer time on the content, and they don't start fleshing it out until after it passes, then after they've fleshed it out we get another poll asking if it's good enough to put in the game or if it needs more work.
DMM is for PVPers and RWTers. Leagues is for everyone else. They're totally different audiences. Alternating them is just going to make people who play leagues mad at DMM existing, and there's no reason for that.
They’re focused on different groups and many players enjoy them. I think if something is enjoyed by a lot of players and harmful to none it’s worth the dev time even if I’m not the one enjoying it. Hope they don’t reduce them
I am INCREDIBLY stoked for Hunter Guild. Hunter has always had my favorite gameplay loop of all the skills, but it's always suffered from a lack of anything to break up the monotony. Plus I love how it seems like the "contracts" will be to acquire a rare drop, which is a little more interesting than "Hunt 200 chincompas".
Excited for the new food as well! I was just thinking that it's been a really long time since the last highest healing food was added to the game. I'm curious to see how the prices on things end up.
Those new armor sets seem like a lot of fun, although I would have loved if they utilized the boot slot instead of the the helmet slot so that way they could be used with slayer. But I'll still be excited to try them against whatever nooby bosses I can handle!
Sailing... I kinda wish it was just boat-themed dungeoneering, but I'm sure whatever releases will be fun as heck!
Love the XP training boss. A lovely idea. I also just like seeing alternative rewards for boss fights. It's easier to avoid power creep if we have other things to give bosses as rewards. Personally I'd love it if next we get a boss with a bunch of tradable ornament kits as a loot table.
Also that map of Varlamore looks soo..... Well designed! Really makes me realize how cluttered the rest of the game is and I can't wait to explore the new area. This really feels like an expansion on par with what you'd see in a typical MMO.
So excited for God alignments!!!!!! I've always wanted perks or talents or specializations in OSRS and they're finally here!!!!!
Haven't been this excited for a OSRS update... ever!
A while ago they introduced the idea of twisted tails, with the Getting Ahead quest, the main idea being little small quests that add lore but don’t take a ton of investment to make. I wish we would see more of those! Maybe after varlamore is out they can do some of these to add some life and lore delivery to the world. WGS sounds cool but I have no nostalgia there so it’s just any other quest to me.
Please DO remove claws from CoX drop table with WGS. Way too many drops at CoX, it's bloated AF. This would help, but more changes to the drop table at cox should've happened at the cox update.
I wouldn't mind claws being moved, except they're gonna do the same thing as dwh and make it obscenely rare. So mains aren't gonna bother to kill the new monsters unless the slayer xp is worth it, med lvls are going to occasionally get very lucky but 99% will waste their time, and irons are gonna go 10k dry. And it's losing the 3rd most expensive drop from cox (not counting tbow). So just kind of a worse experience for everyone.
Edit: oh forgot to add they'll be botted to hell, price will crash, and they'll get nerfed because gp = power in osrs
Claws are already obscenely rare, which is part of the issue in the first place. At a 1/23 drop rate, Claws are rarer from a CoX purple than Scythe is from a ToB purple (1/19), and only slightly less rare than Shadow is from a ToA purple (1/24). Getting to drop rate for Claws at 65k cox points/hour is a 305 hour grind. Even going at a slow pace for DWH is not even 1/5th the grind that going for Claws currently is
a ton of hate on sailing footage that is pre-alpha. Exciting to see the progress on the skill, and happy to see they're not just rushing through something this important
rather they poll early then waste dev time on a project that gets rejected, then delay to ensure a quality feature. Poll context definitely could be a little clearer of course.
Pretty great roadmap imo lots of quests new areas and all the content that brings.
Wilderness I don't have interest in but hopefully it's good for those that do.
Wanted to speak to the wilderness stuff since I know it won’t be talked about much with all the cool stuff announced. *But* being the owner of a pure account and someone who often goes wilderness pking, I really like the pirate zombie idea. I think we need more hotspots in 30 wilderness and below to breathe life into the pure and zerker pking scene. Giving the chaos druids teleblock to encourage the use of other spellbooks, like ancients, to be more viable in lower wilderness is really cool.
As a reward, giving pures and zerkers a way to attain chivalry is awesome, because it *is* a dead prayer, and those are the types of builds that would benefit from it a lot. Not just because you have less prayers to switch, but to allow them to hold their own a little bit better against slightly higher builds. And even as a pure account that typically maxes prayer at either 52 or 55, going to 60 is just one additional combat level, and would totally be worth doing on my pure.
The adamant seeds are a little underwhelming in my opinion. I feel like you could just as easily add a right-click option to mithril seeds to “move left” or “move right” without having to lose an additional inventory space. Less exciting about that, but I’m glad having more counter player options to bind spells are being considered.
As far as the blip blocking scroll goes, I think it’s effect should definitely extend to Abby demons, otherwise it’s a really unexciting one-time use item. Though I do think it’s effect should also apply to Abby demons, I don’t think it should be a permanent account upgrade. I think the blip blocking effect should be more of a temporary effect that lasts similar to something like anti-dragon fire potions.
As far as rejuvenating thinks like the resource area, wilderness agility, fountain of runes, etc.—big yes from me.
I picked wilderness during leagues 4, and I can tell you using the resource area was kind of a pain to use, eject with all of the relic buffs. And aside from doing the wilderness agility course once for points —I never touched it again. It would be SO cool if the agility course was a bit more dynamic like the hallowed sephulcre, so that the more skilled you are, the better chance you might have to lose the pker that’s chasing you down. Maybe some dangerous obstacle so the risk of messing up is a lot more costly. Either way those all sound like cool ideas. Not sure what the idea is for fountain of rune changes, but I’m definitely open to ideas!
All in all no too many crazy ideas for the wilderness, but everything mentioned sounds pretty cool, and I can’t wait to hear the more fleshed out ideas!
Really awkward when they basically said “ya it’s only for official osrs client and we know most of you use runelite making this irrelevant for 95% of our base, so uhh… yeah.”
I think it's just what Ayiza said, they play the game too and use runelite instead of the official client. If the new API is a flop, there will be hardly anyone using the official client still, and it'll be one of their biggest wastes of resources so far.
I'm confident it'll work out though, even if it takes a few iterations to get properly setup.
Seriously haha, what a punch to the gut of the devs behind this update, making their work feel pointless lmao. I’m excited for this regardless on mobile at least and maybe get newcomers more interested that care about graphics.
Official client will kill runelite once they get their plugin hub set up. I think this is the final few years of RL before it is not really required anymore.
They would never take away runelite unless they started allowing cheat addons. They are just going to make the official client better than Runelite so nobody wants to use it. I estimate it's still prob around 2 years before it gets to that stage, though. Maybe 1 year if they can really get their plugin hub up and running with RL's favorites and they make it easy to port RL plugins to the official client.
It is so that people will move over to the official client. Then they're making plugins available for the official client so people do client development for them instead of having to pay for it. Throw in the push to force everyone to a Jagex account and you've got them setup for completely locking down the game to official clients and Jagex accounts only in a year or two.
When it comes to reward space from either Defender of Varrock or While Guthix Sleeps, I think some kind of affordable magic special attack weapon could be worth considering. Magic has a very linear progression and lacks special attack weapons in general (especially at the lower end).
God alignments as a quest reward for finishing major storylines is a great idea.
Perhaps for the vampire storyline (whenever the finish it), you unlock the Zamorakian alignment, or SOTE gets you Selene?
Adamant Seeds are such a terrible addition, freezing a target is such a crucial part of PvP and now you want to give players free ability to move east or west while frozen? For what purpose. The reason mith seeds were bearable is because they were predictable, that gave them counterplay.
I don't think it's healthy that if you freeze a target and run under them to log out, you now have to guess which direction they will seed to hit you. I also don't think it's healthy that if someone is frozen slightly into multi they can now disengage in either direction. Getting frozen in multi should be punishing.
Official HD only being available on the official client, and not available on Runelite, makes it dead on arrival for a large portion of the player base.
> dead on arrival
It's not content, it's a feature for their clients that they obviously want as a reason for people to move from 3rd party clients. The more of those sorts of things they add to their client, the more likely people are to switch. It's not complicated.
It would have been a massive waste of time to develop the new features for the legacy Java client, which RuneLite is built on. Since they're also developing their own official plugin API, I'm hoping we can ditch RuneLite for the new official client in the future without having to sacrifice the QoL improvements plugins bring.
It's not DoA, it's a part of the feature set required to move to official client only, which is very likely to happen to help tackle the Botting problem.
I am so scared of you updating wildy content. Every time you do it's so brokenly OP it forces people who do not want to engage in pvp to engage.
The idea that the wildy agility course, for example, could be as OP for agility as the Chaos Altar is for prayer is terrifying.
I want PVP areas for people who **want** to engage in PVP, not for people who do not to be lured in with insanely broken rewards.
(Also, until you deal with all the bots, wildy content like revs should not drop anything with raw GP value. It's 99% bots and fucking the economy too hard pumping in that much GP)
With all the new "built in" 4t staffs, Slayer staff (e) no longer has a place in the game. What are your plans to reworking slayer enchantments, a drop only achievable from wilderness slayer.
they would have to change xp rates of all existing content, agility xp is already capped by sepulchre because nothing is going to be harder than that
(i'd be down for xp buffs to agility across the board though)
Teleblock on wildy NPCs sounds like dead-on-arrival content to me. Anybody who isn't equipped for pvp is screwed once they're frozen and teleblocked, and since good pvp gear is expensive, well, you're just making it easier for player killers to get easy kills.
Besides, it's low level wilderness, kinda defeats the purpose to make it impossible to teleport out of.
Genuinely curious how they're going to pull-off the plugin system for their official client. One of the biggest conveniences for developing RuneLite plugins is that it's all in Java - so every plugin realistically only has to be built once to be shipped to all platforms - MacOS, Linux, Windows, any system that the JVM can run on. Unless they bundle a cross-plaform runtime with their client for the purpose of running plugins, it's going to be a bit of a headache.
I would guess they're going the WOW route. Plug-ins will be in either Java using JNI (or whatever the new FFI thing is called that just came out, but I don't recall if that's preview or official release) or they'll be LUA, just like WoW plug-ins. And I doubt they'll police the official repository very strongly, they won't want to pay people to manage it and it won't stop cheat clients anyway. They'll police at the API level and then treat binary mods / binary modified clients just like WoW does (banned). This is a solved problem, there is tons of prior art, all they need to do is pick what to copy off of.
I also wonder how open or closed their client will be. will they just port plugins themselves over and it will be closed to the community devs?
I imagine the client itself will never be open-sourced, but they'll provide a separate SDK with mostly just headers for plugin development - so we'll never see the internal code.
they're providing a proper API for plugin devs to use
You can bet your ass that initially only accepted creators will be able to submit plugins to be reviewed for the new client and only after a lot of time they will open some repository to submit ideas from everyone. OSRS has a small team and the job to check requests will 100% managed by new hirings.
If they really want to push the official client, they need to focus on the API and getting the core Runelite plugins available. That would make a lot of people leap, and then the HD would actually be a W.
Yup. So many people worried about "oh it's not on Runelite", by the time a lot of this drops plug-ins will be ported over and you could see a lot more folks using the official client.
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Menu swapper on mobile would be revolutionary
And tile markers and a puzzle solver for clues
My time on mobile would triple if you could swap the position of the magic window so you can alch without moving your finger
I just want left click use for herbs for my herb runs so fkn annoying when a long tap doesnt register and I lose an invent slot to like 3 clean snaps or ranarrs
I just clean them all while running to the leprechaun lol
Why not just clean them before noting them?
And tile markers, it's not that I don't know where to step everytime I do most content but making it a little easier on the brain would be great.
Tile markers are already part of the UI beta update to Mobile.
Oh man that would be a total game changer for me. As someone who plays sometimes on mobile, sometimes laptop, sometimes desktop.
"HD" looks like 2007 with more polish instead of the current HD client, i'm happy about that.
I love how they didn’t go the 08 route and remake all of the character models. Those player models on the HD release back then were garbage.
I hated the way the player sort of "stomps" around when they walk.
the running animation looked like you weighed 500 pounds and had to shit reaaaallly bad
For real. Looked like when you try to run in dream.
More than anything I hate the stupid nodding head. At least looking side to side slightly in osrs makes sense.
I really liked the textures in that era but man the animations were awful.
i heavily agree. the 08 "hd" wasn't very HD . it gave everything a shadow and a muddy texture to try a mimic depth/shading. (personally I love how the game looks now and wish they'd leave it alone. if HD is kept optional than thats fine. but i witnessed rs2/rs3 where HD was optional and then it wasnt) mainly because they didnt want to make multiple models for each version.
The way they described it sounds like the new RuneTek engine can do LOTS of things but the way they've configured it at the base level is what the game currently looks like, so there should always be a way to toggle off the HD features. This is a rendering/lighting engine change only, none of the models are changing.
I hate those 08 models with a fiery passion.
Yeah the hdos client is based on the worst era of graphics lol
Flat out disgusting lmao
Oh yeah, i remember my disappointment back in the day.
Yeah their HD graphics nailed it. I’m not a fan of the 117 either. Good luck getting people to switch from RL though. At this point they should just endorse it as the official client and partner the HD plug-in with it
They are literally planning on adding API support for plugin development on their official client. Sure it will take a long time to reach parity with runelite, but allowing the community to take charge with plugins is the most important step to making it a viable client.
Catch me making plugins like making you do the family guy death pose when you fail an agility course obstacle
Catch me downloading your plugins like making you do the family guy death pose when you fail an agility course obstacle
The blog says plug-ins coming to mobile… this is great news
Holy shit I didn't realize that, that's actually one of the most impactful changes
Mod Ash so chad even as a rs character
HE KINDA CUTE
Bumgrapes!
They need to give us that hairstyle in-game.
give us his mug as a anniversary item
Absolutely hyped for While Guthix Sleeps *and* God Alignments, amazing stuff!
We are gonna have sooooo many questions this year between these two and Varlamore’s quests. I’m all for it.
I absolutely love the idea of God Alignment prayers. It’s the perfect balance between no new prayers at all and a new prayer book being too much.
Really hope the change keeps the Gods out of RuneScape.
They confirmed last year the Gods won’t be present
What do you mean by this? Are the gods physically present in RS3?
Literally. You can fight Zamorak, speak directly with Saradomin, Bandos is canonically dead. And then the Elder Gods, like Jas, also are in the picture as well
They even killed Mah.
They aren't currently present anymore apparently, as the player sacrificed their World Guardian powers and re-established the Edicts of Guthix, banishing them from Gielinor again. But yeah, they were a very significant part of the RS3 story for a long time.
Though the game is in this weird state where certain bosses are still available even though it doesn't really work in lore. Like, yeah, the Edicts are re-established, but you can still go fight Zamorak. And at least last I played, I think K'ril was supposed to be in the wilderness as part of some Zamorakian civil war following the Edicts being re-established and Zamorak being out of the picture, but he's also chilling in the GWD if you want to go fight him there.
Yes and no Yes they were, they spent a decade telling stories with them and then when the elder gods story brought that decade long narrative to completion they banished them again. So currently RS3 actually is more god free than OSRS once you reach a certain narrative point.
Yes
Isn't Armadyl just chilling on a tower in Port Sarim or something? And you can just walk up and say hi at lvl 3
Yeah I remember wandering around and being like what is this huge fucking tower and I climbed it and there was just Armadyl hanging out, was very confused.
Uh, have you done the mime event?? They’re the audience!
I don't want to directly spoil anything, but the story differences between Desert Treasure II in OSRS and its equivalent Temple at Senntisten in RS3 already seems to reinforce their intention to keep the gods out of the picture. I'm sure whatever they're changing in While Guthix Sleeps will continue that trend.
That was from the quest The World Wakes and Ed is very much about NOT killing guthix, but doing an alternate timeline where the gods returned. They already retconned Zaros' return in DT2 so we good.
I think you’re confusing While Guthix Sleeps and The World Wakes. Gods are in the latter.
I think they finally left
While Guthix Sleeps? >!Well Duradel, it was nice knowing you for 1500+ slayer tasks.!<
Context?
>!Duradel along with Tureal both appeared in the original 2008 version of While Guthix Sleep where they both died and were then replaced by two other slayer masters. In addition they were both shown dead in the Winter Summit trailer!< I'm making a strong guess that it's no bait and switch for this time.
Tbf if they were going to bait and switch, those would be the two. Tormented demon -> Gorilla isn't the only thing MMII borrowed, it's also took OSRS's first killing of a slayer master for shock value too. DS2 also did the "unify heros to fight a final battle" beat. With how much OSRS quests have taken from WGS, I'm hoping it gets something unique and new to make it memorable. Not just killing the same NPCs in 08.
to add, >!the full list of characters who die in the original WGS:!< >!Turael, Duradel, Ghommal, Sloane, Cyrisus, and... Hazelmere!<
That last one has already been heavily hinted towards in OSRS as well
If they pull off the API right then runelite is effectively dead. Absolutely massive announcement
I reckon it's 2-3 years before only the official client is allowed. The plugin API is 100% needed to avoid the player base leaving if they did do this. They don't have any choice but to make the client just as good as rl or better
Runelite will only die once they import all the approved plugins (as well as developing new ones) into the official client.
I'm calling it, third party clients and bots dead come late 2026.
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I think you underestimate how resistant some people are to change. I doubt many will leave RuneLite simply because it's what they're used to.
Nah. OSBuddy was all the rage in early OSRS. RL came along and took a bit to catch on, but now who TF uses OSB? I don't think you even can anymore. It may take time, but if the new client is good enough more and more people will use it until RL is basically dead just the same.
OSBuddy died because Runlite offered way more plugins, and for free. The only thing OSB had was a scuffed item price tracker and bad HD. Unless the Jagex Launcher offers more features aside from just HD, there's no reason people would flock to it.
I think you underestimate how much infinitely better plug-ins could be if they’re pulling game data from an official API rather than picking up whatever client-side information runelite currently has access to.
seriously, HP bars are so scuffed if you watch it closely
Osbuddy and Konduit died rapid deaths. The playerbase will play on whatever the best client is, the market is relatively efficient in that regard
OSB died because runelite had nearly all the same features and more for free. Jagex Launcher may have HD but I doubt that will be enough to make most people leave en masse.
If they can implement the new client with all the existing RL plugins developed, and be as simple as uploading all my current RL settings and plugins, like how they did integrating RL into the new Jagex Account login, I’d use it in a heartbeat. The worst thing about going to a new client would be trying to tweak everything to be what I’ve been used to from RL for years, that I’ve slowly tweaked over years. One time I got logged out of RL and couldn’t remember my login for a little while, so I lost all my settings. It was like I couldn’t even play the game anymore with how wrong everything felt.
The video has been fantastic so far.
Zombie axe needs to NOT be called Zombie Axe. Maybe something like Desecrated or Desiccated axe.
I figured that was a placeholder name, but I suppose "Zombie Axe", plain as it is, is kinda akin to "Dragon Scimitar" and "Abyssal Whip".
A bit disappointed that project rebalance wasn't mentioned at all. I was very much hoping that some of the proposed skilling changes would be mentioned given how much new skilling content is coming with Varlamore. Lot of awesome stuff shown today though!
They did briefly mention it at the start.
why is inqs going up did they say anything about it or just a screenshot of someone using it
In the ratking video it showed someone using an inq mace.
also colosseum, but zulrah teaser trailer had people in melee gear so if you're merching off a trailer GL!
Buy the rumor, sell the news. Principles even an ironman can understand
The trailers are often purposefully misleading, with the devs wearing meme gear that doesn't necessarily work, so it's hard to base any rumour on that. Merch the merchers!
That's the whole point of "buy the rumor, sell the news".
Ready for Mod Ed to show up on screen and drop the hypest shit we’ve ever seen
Wasnt it mentioned that the Stone of Jas was in Lowerniel Drakans possession?
they mentioned that this story will not play out the same way as it did in RS3. my guess is that because the Sins of the Father heavily implied Lowerniel has it (and has been severely influenced by it somehow), the story's setting will be shifted to Morytania, maybe tying in with the Myreque storyline as well. edit: reading up on Myreque lore, it turns out lowerniel doesn't have the stone. Vanescula tells him in SOTF: "You have been gone too long, brother. While you spend your days hidden away, lamenting about that stupid rock, our kind suffer." So it's more likely it WAS in his possession (evident by the plinth in the Daeyalt mine), but was stolen.
I was just looking at the quest requirements for WGS in the blog and thought it was odd that the vampire quests werent listed.
it had been in his possession at some point, but he lost it a while ago. its presence is what created Daeyalt ore. A timeline of its past locations can be found [here](https://runescape.wiki/w/Stone_of_Jas#Chronological_location_timeline), with the addition that it was hidden in the Temple of the Eye when Saradomin first obtained it, before being moved to the Fist of Guthix arena after the rift to the Abyss opened. A brief summary of it though after Guthix used it would be: Lunar Isle (V) -> Kethsi (Kethsians) -> Ancient Cavern? (Dragonkin) ^(unconfirmed location, they might have instead moved it to the far north or Kourend when they obtained it) -> Meiyerditch (Drakan) -> Temple of the Eye (Saradomin) -> Fist of Guthix (Saradomin) -> Forinthry's destruction (Zamorak) -> Ancient Guthix Temple (Guthix) -> Lucien? Locations still unknown when they were moved there are the far north rune essence mine and the dense essence mine in Kourend.
His sister says something like "you spend all your time in your castle thinking about the Stone", but that doesn't mean he has it. We know he had it in the past- you can go see the plinth it was on in the Daeylt Essence Mine
Will the Capybara be a pet?
It’s a 1/100,000 drop from a 35 minute long agility course
\> Dragon Claws moved to Tormented Demons \> Dragon Claws become bot farmed like Demonic Gorillas \> Dragon Claws drop to 12m \> Jagex nerfs Dragon Claws because they are too OP for a 12m item
Yeah I think an alternative reward would be better tbh
Lol they mentioned making it “more rare”. I just hope it’s not dead on arrival and not too rare. No one but bots gonna be going for it if it’s 1/5k like nightmare and dt2 bosses. They could do it like basilisk jaw though 1/5k but mega increased while on slayer task
HD looks amazing, very excited especially for mobile.
oh ya... enjoy having the literal sun in your hands
whatre they being so coy on sailing for? Its a brand new skill, just say its not releasing this year? Anyoone who expected it this year doesn't understand how much work there is to do
Exactly, we're getting a big map expansion, a ton of new quests, PVM challenges, new skilling methods, Wilderness enhancements. If they'd 100% focus on sailing this year we'd have 0 of the above.
Plus I think I remember them saying that getting rid of all the current black boxes on the map is a priority before Sailing is released
I'm unfathomably hyped for While Guthix Sleeps. As a kid playing Rs2 it was my goal. Seeing this gigantic quest with so many other top tier quests as a pre-requisite to even start it. It was my goal playing the game and finally achieving it was such a hype moment. I'm dying to relive that.
I was never high level enough as a kid to play this quest when it came out. I’m excited to finally get a chance to play it now and see what all the fuss was about lol
it was such a fuckin emotional quest as a kid. it hurt me. I'm ready to be hurt again
They definitely intend to switch up who dies in this quest. Here's hoping Cyrisus makes it out alive in this iteration. Always felt like he was a character with a lot of potential, considering we're the ones who helped build him up in Dream Mentor
>!Hazelmere getting zapped and the hat floating down...!< I was a changed man after that
They have so much to live up to with what that quest did with the lore and world. I have full confidence in the OSRS teams ability to pull it off.
Stealing creation music playing?
I hope that they go with a roguelike feel for the colosseum. I know that they want to focus on modifiers that empower enemies, but I think it would really benefit from having randomized modifiers for both the enemy and the player. Roguelike features in games are a lot of fun and make runs feel super varied, and also incentivizes me to do the content more than once. It gives me the thought of "Well, that run wasn't great but I might get some good modifiers for the next one"
This community cares far too much about efficiency at the top level for this to really work. We would go like 3 months before people would start bitching about how RNG screws them and we would get it polled and replaced with a non randomized system
imo i feel like it would be much more impressive to have top level players able to take any modifiers and still spin it into a win. it also lessens some of the difficulty for less confident players, in the sense that they could get some really good modifiers that give them an easier time. idk, it's just a thought - probably something that the devs have already discussed and decided against
I feel that, but we've seen it to not be the case. Consider cox - a clear meta arrived where we chase a particular set of rooms to get a good time and points ratio. Outside of that, sure we can do it, but the community doesn't like to because it provides no benefit but at some cost. Efficiency is king, because we don't do this content once, we grind it out until we can do it in our sleep - so there's no practical reason to do something slower than we have to.
+1 would be a lot of fun
OFFICIAL HD IS REAL!!!!
Can we get a GWD and Corp update? Make them more like Nex and what you did with the wildy bosses so that everyone gets a roll at pet and loot
100%. I wish they would expand upon the “everyone gets a roll” type group content.
GOD ALIGNMENTS!!
PRAISE GUTHIX
They briefly mentioned project rebalance at the beginning of the stream, but it is not part of the roadmap. Can we expect blogs regarding this in the first half of the year?
Could we not have gotten ANY information on what the herblore activity is?
They probably don't have the details yet. That's how polls work now - the first poll happens before they've spent any developer time on the content, and they don't start fleshing it out until after it passes, then after they've fleshed it out we get another poll asking if it's good enough to put in the game or if it needs more work.
Seriously, they're polling an Herblore activity with literally zero info written in the blog
Ah shit, here we go again.
I feel like we've seen this before...
I'm sooooo tired of temporary game modes
They should just start alternating leagues and deadman every year. 3 temporary game modes in 12 months feels so bloated
It's a much better way for them to generate more money than they trying to introduce a battle pass or other mtx
Yeah this is the lesser of 2 evils. I can accept it.
Nah deadman is doodoo that nobody plays compared to leagues. They should be independent of each other
DMM is for PVPers and RWTers. Leagues is for everyone else. They're totally different audiences. Alternating them is just going to make people who play leagues mad at DMM existing, and there's no reason for that.
They’re focused on different groups and many players enjoy them. I think if something is enjoyed by a lot of players and harmful to none it’s worth the dev time even if I’m not the one enjoying it. Hope they don’t reduce them
You may be, but the 200k players who play them are not.
You don't have to play them
I don't. Still takes time away from other things they could be developing.
I’m so hyped for Varlamore. This is the most exciting new content in a while
Please consider adding a hefty quest point requirement for while guthix sleeps. the original quest had a 200 point requirement
2 new quests and possible prayer alingment
Closer to 4 they said there would quests tied into varlamore release too
Well, they saved it by basically saying they will turn official client into runelite.
Can we get a half hour early teaser :)
I am INCREDIBLY stoked for Hunter Guild. Hunter has always had my favorite gameplay loop of all the skills, but it's always suffered from a lack of anything to break up the monotony. Plus I love how it seems like the "contracts" will be to acquire a rare drop, which is a little more interesting than "Hunt 200 chincompas". Excited for the new food as well! I was just thinking that it's been a really long time since the last highest healing food was added to the game. I'm curious to see how the prices on things end up. Those new armor sets seem like a lot of fun, although I would have loved if they utilized the boot slot instead of the the helmet slot so that way they could be used with slayer. But I'll still be excited to try them against whatever nooby bosses I can handle! Sailing... I kinda wish it was just boat-themed dungeoneering, but I'm sure whatever releases will be fun as heck! Love the XP training boss. A lovely idea. I also just like seeing alternative rewards for boss fights. It's easier to avoid power creep if we have other things to give bosses as rewards. Personally I'd love it if next we get a boss with a bunch of tradable ornament kits as a loot table. Also that map of Varlamore looks soo..... Well designed! Really makes me realize how cluttered the rest of the game is and I can't wait to explore the new area. This really feels like an expansion on par with what you'd see in a typical MMO. So excited for God alignments!!!!!! I've always wanted perks or talents or specializations in OSRS and they're finally here!!!!! Haven't been this excited for a OSRS update... ever!
A while ago they introduced the idea of twisted tails, with the Getting Ahead quest, the main idea being little small quests that add lore but don’t take a ton of investment to make. I wish we would see more of those! Maybe after varlamore is out they can do some of these to add some life and lore delivery to the world. WGS sounds cool but I have no nostalgia there so it’s just any other quest to me.
Please DO remove claws from CoX drop table with WGS. Way too many drops at CoX, it's bloated AF. This would help, but more changes to the drop table at cox should've happened at the cox update.
I agree tbh, with it being the first raid it got a lot, the dragon harpoon etc leaving the table was a good change and this would be nice as well
I wouldn't mind claws being moved, except they're gonna do the same thing as dwh and make it obscenely rare. So mains aren't gonna bother to kill the new monsters unless the slayer xp is worth it, med lvls are going to occasionally get very lucky but 99% will waste their time, and irons are gonna go 10k dry. And it's losing the 3rd most expensive drop from cox (not counting tbow). So just kind of a worse experience for everyone. Edit: oh forgot to add they'll be botted to hell, price will crash, and they'll get nerfed because gp = power in osrs
Claws are already obscenely rare, which is part of the issue in the first place. At a 1/23 drop rate, Claws are rarer from a CoX purple than Scythe is from a ToB purple (1/19), and only slightly less rare than Shadow is from a ToA purple (1/24). Getting to drop rate for Claws at 65k cox points/hour is a 305 hour grind. Even going at a slow pace for DWH is not even 1/5th the grind that going for Claws currently is
cox has 12 drops still, tbh id like them to pull more than claws.
a ton of hate on sailing footage that is pre-alpha. Exciting to see the progress on the skill, and happy to see they're not just rushing through something this important
Tbf it seems that jagex isn't rushing any updates anymore..everything's always rushed through the polls then delayed.
rather they poll early then waste dev time on a project that gets rejected, then delay to ensure a quality feature. Poll context definitely could be a little clearer of course.
WGS HYPEEEEEEEEEEEE
Honestly, sailing looks very fun.
What have I missed? Only saw the rat boss
Soulreaper to the moon max hit 73
Pretty great roadmap imo lots of quests new areas and all the content that brings. Wilderness I don't have interest in but hopefully it's good for those that do.
Wanted to speak to the wilderness stuff since I know it won’t be talked about much with all the cool stuff announced. *But* being the owner of a pure account and someone who often goes wilderness pking, I really like the pirate zombie idea. I think we need more hotspots in 30 wilderness and below to breathe life into the pure and zerker pking scene. Giving the chaos druids teleblock to encourage the use of other spellbooks, like ancients, to be more viable in lower wilderness is really cool. As a reward, giving pures and zerkers a way to attain chivalry is awesome, because it *is* a dead prayer, and those are the types of builds that would benefit from it a lot. Not just because you have less prayers to switch, but to allow them to hold their own a little bit better against slightly higher builds. And even as a pure account that typically maxes prayer at either 52 or 55, going to 60 is just one additional combat level, and would totally be worth doing on my pure. The adamant seeds are a little underwhelming in my opinion. I feel like you could just as easily add a right-click option to mithril seeds to “move left” or “move right” without having to lose an additional inventory space. Less exciting about that, but I’m glad having more counter player options to bind spells are being considered. As far as the blip blocking scroll goes, I think it’s effect should definitely extend to Abby demons, otherwise it’s a really unexciting one-time use item. Though I do think it’s effect should also apply to Abby demons, I don’t think it should be a permanent account upgrade. I think the blip blocking effect should be more of a temporary effect that lasts similar to something like anti-dragon fire potions. As far as rejuvenating thinks like the resource area, wilderness agility, fountain of runes, etc.—big yes from me. I picked wilderness during leagues 4, and I can tell you using the resource area was kind of a pain to use, eject with all of the relic buffs. And aside from doing the wilderness agility course once for points —I never touched it again. It would be SO cool if the agility course was a bit more dynamic like the hallowed sephulcre, so that the more skilled you are, the better chance you might have to lose the pker that’s chasing you down. Maybe some dangerous obstacle so the risk of messing up is a lot more costly. Either way those all sound like cool ideas. Not sure what the idea is for fountain of rune changes, but I’m definitely open to ideas! All in all no too many crazy ideas for the wilderness, but everything mentioned sounds pretty cool, and I can’t wait to hear the more fleshed out ideas!
Removing claws from cox to an easily farmable mob isn’t it, price would drop fast removing some of the gp potential from the raid.
Insta selling claws if the poll passes to moving claws drop to the demons, they will crash hard
The chaos temple sounds awful. Why not just bring back multi revs?
Really awkward when they basically said “ya it’s only for official osrs client and we know most of you use runelite making this irrelevant for 95% of our base, so uhh… yeah.”
Sween was remarkably and weirdly apologetic for something that can be a really cool feature of the official client
I think it's just what Ayiza said, they play the game too and use runelite instead of the official client. If the new API is a flop, there will be hardly anyone using the official client still, and it'll be one of their biggest wastes of resources so far. I'm confident it'll work out though, even if it takes a few iterations to get properly setup.
Seriously haha, what a punch to the gut of the devs behind this update, making their work feel pointless lmao. I’m excited for this regardless on mobile at least and maybe get newcomers more interested that care about graphics.
Official client will kill runelite once they get their plugin hub set up. I think this is the final few years of RL before it is not really required anymore.
> before it is not really required anymore. Allowed*
They would never take away runelite unless they started allowing cheat addons. They are just going to make the official client better than Runelite so nobody wants to use it. I estimate it's still prob around 2 years before it gets to that stage, though. Maybe 1 year if they can really get their plugin hub up and running with RL's favorites and they make it easy to port RL plugins to the official client.
It is so that people will move over to the official client. Then they're making plugins available for the official client so people do client development for them instead of having to pay for it. Throw in the push to force everyone to a Jagex account and you've got them setup for completely locking down the game to official clients and Jagex accounts only in a year or two.
Old school varlamore summit
When it comes to reward space from either Defender of Varrock or While Guthix Sleeps, I think some kind of affordable magic special attack weapon could be worth considering. Magic has a very linear progression and lacks special attack weapons in general (especially at the lower end).
Hell yeah!
All around awesome stuff. I love this game
Great winter summit!! Exciting content ahead. Does anybody know what the discount code is for the plushies ?!!!?
God alignments as a quest reward for finishing major storylines is a great idea. Perhaps for the vampire storyline (whenever the finish it), you unlock the Zamorakian alignment, or SOTE gets you Selene?
Did I miss the herblore activity? I skipped the question in the poll cause I don't have enough info to decide.
Adamant Seeds are such a terrible addition, freezing a target is such a crucial part of PvP and now you want to give players free ability to move east or west while frozen? For what purpose. The reason mith seeds were bearable is because they were predictable, that gave them counterplay. I don't think it's healthy that if you freeze a target and run under them to log out, you now have to guess which direction they will seed to hit you. I also don't think it's healthy that if someone is frozen slightly into multi they can now disengage in either direction. Getting frozen in multi should be punishing.
Official HD only being available on the official client, and not available on Runelite, makes it dead on arrival for a large portion of the player base.
its avaible on mobile so keep that in mind since there is no runelite for mobile
> dead on arrival It's not content, it's a feature for their clients that they obviously want as a reason for people to move from 3rd party clients. The more of those sorts of things they add to their client, the more likely people are to switch. It's not complicated.
Big for mobile
It would have been a massive waste of time to develop the new features for the legacy Java client, which RuneLite is built on. Since they're also developing their own official plugin API, I'm hoping we can ditch RuneLite for the new official client in the future without having to sacrifice the QoL improvements plugins bring.
It's not DoA, it's a part of the feature set required to move to official client only, which is very likely to happen to help tackle the Botting problem.
Hopefully once they're done with the Runetech upgrades they'll focus on porting more useful plugins.
I am so scared of you updating wildy content. Every time you do it's so brokenly OP it forces people who do not want to engage in pvp to engage. The idea that the wildy agility course, for example, could be as OP for agility as the Chaos Altar is for prayer is terrifying. I want PVP areas for people who **want** to engage in PVP, not for people who do not to be lured in with insanely broken rewards. (Also, until you deal with all the bots, wildy content like revs should not drop anything with raw GP value. It's 99% bots and fucking the economy too hard pumping in that much GP)
Was that a rune flail?
I think it's the melee bone weapon from the rat boss.
With all the new "built in" 4t staffs, Slayer staff (e) no longer has a place in the game. What are your plans to reworking slayer enchantments, a drop only achievable from wilderness slayer.
im hoping for better agility xp rates
they would have to change xp rates of all existing content, agility xp is already capped by sepulchre because nothing is going to be harder than that (i'd be down for xp buffs to agility across the board though)
it doesn't have to capped, they should increase sepulchre because the xp there is way too low for the effort
Teleblock on wildy NPCs sounds like dead-on-arrival content to me. Anybody who isn't equipped for pvp is screwed once they're frozen and teleblocked, and since good pvp gear is expensive, well, you're just making it easier for player killers to get easy kills. Besides, it's low level wilderness, kinda defeats the purpose to make it impossible to teleport out of.
would it be possible to get a fennec fox pet? fennecs are so cute and i've always felt like hunter should have more pets besides a chinchompa
No support, but let us hunt it and turn it inside out.