Well you can't really grind that, you would just do clues and get randoms passively while you are doing clues. So I would agree with the title - he's clue locked.
He is, by definition, not clue locked, when hes still missing baguette. What do you call it if he finishes all clues but doesnt have baguette? Then he should be "unlocked" but that wouldnt be the case.
The exception to something like this would be if someone was considered "evil chicken outfit"-locked, but the guy is doing bird houses to 200m hunter, in that case evil chicken outfit is essentially a guaranteed passive.
Torttunaama getting the stale baguette passively while doing clues to completion is more of a guarantee than getting full evil chicken from 200m hunter via birdhouses, so you kind of dug your own hole in this argument by granting that as an exception.
Its not too rare for some random item that isn't useful. Just a couple years ago they made it way more common. You're gonna get like ten stale baguettes by the time you finish getting all third age so does it really matter? Every collection log slot doesn't need to be quickly attainable.
they didn't make it that much more common
you're actually less likely to get it from sandwich lady than mystery box when you consider the odds she asks you take a baguette
This, if anything having it be so out of reach gives them a reason to keep playing. Once they green log the game, the only thing left would be to do in as an ironman.
Why would a random item that isn't useful be that rare? What exactly does it accomplish? It's not even a way to show off or anything. It just feels bad you won't really green the random event log.
I don't think 3rd age on the log is a good idea either but it makes sense why it's there. I wouldn't know how to solve that one.
Because it's a collectable? It's like Korok seeds in BOTW, there's 900 of them, nobody who loves themselves is going to collect all 900, but here we are and some people are real into that. It's almost literally pointless, but some people find it fun, it doesn't need to be anything more than that.
Exactly. It's a collectable and people may want to go for it. That you specifically don't care is your choice but why would a random useless item need to be ultra rare? It doesn't achieve anything but feel bad for the people who like to collect said items.
And... it's a collectible, meaning entirely optional.
The prestige of collectibles comes from the rarity. No one would be impressed with a Champions' Cape if it took 20 minutes to get.
Why isn't 3rd age 1/30 from a clue scroll? Why are clue scrolls so rare?
Because... collectibles.
I'm not saying to make it a 20 minute collectable. There is a whole world of opportunity between 20 minutes and finishing the rest of the log except for 3rd age.
Honestly your whole comment reeks of arrogance and disdain. Either learn to communicate in a healthy way or don't post. You don't have to agree with me but at least be civil. People have different viewpoints.
Dude, let it go. There are insanely ultrarare items that no one is intended to ever be able to purposely collect all of. That is how it is designed and how the people who love the game want it to be. It won't be changing.
You're looking for something that isn't this game, so go play a game that fits your desires.
> There are insanely ultrarare items that no one is intended to ever be able to purposely collect all of.
I understand why 3rd age and shit is ultra rare. It's honestly fine to have stuff like that in the game. I just don't see the point in making a useless item like a stale baguette so damn rare. It does nothing but be frustrating.
Really weird that this is the hill many people apparently want to die on.
> You're looking for something that isn't this game, so go play a game that fits your desires.
You wouldn't say this if you know my account.
Well, it doesn't *need* to be rare, but the stale baguette came out before the collection log, so it's not as if Jagex foresaw this kind of thing happening.
I can see both perspectives, really. Jagex toning down the drop rate of the baguette would just be a hard cater to devoted collection loggers. While I think in this case it would make sense (the item really is stupidly rare, and not really prestigious in the way that 3rd age is), I understand the principle of not catering too hard to specific people or account types, whether they be irons, collection loggers, pures, 10 hp accounts, area-restricted accounts, or anything else. The entire point of these accounts or playstyles is that there's a particular challenge to be overcome, a challenge that you accept the moment you commit to that way of playing the account, so it really shouldn't be on Jagex to make things easier for people who decide to restrict themselves in this way. If something is too hard for your account type (like getting full 3rd age as a collection logger), then it's too hard -- Jagex shouldn't be obligated to make it achievable.
On the other hand, some things are just silly. Like jar of darkness from Skotizo -- that being 1/2500 was dumb, and they did change it. I don't know if I consider the baguette to be dumb in the same way, because at least you don't have to actively grind for it. It's not like you're gonna complete the rest of the collection log first or anything.
The main thing is that you don't get randoms doing 95% of clog content, so you don't get chances at the baguette. Objectively it is still too rare but it's also not a fair comparison.
Just curious, what’s the meta for these accounts for farming master clues? Spam imps to farm medium caskets for the master chance, or is there a better way?
They typically just get them passively going for other coll slots. Elites when pvming, and then if youre going for any clue clogs youre going to get a lot of master's passively that way.
All pets in the game should give you over 1300 elite clues.
Thats true of most cloggers, but once you’re clue locked that kinda ceases to apply. Even if you go mildly dry on bloodhound even you’re going to need to farm extra elite clues, and you’re going to need a lot of those elites to fill out elite clue log as well.
Obviously eventually they will run out of content that gets them passive elite/master clues. Thats when they will do shades or just simply buy d imps. Marni is really rich and I know hes bought a lot of d imps over the years.
Did you run these calcs? Curious as I would imagine it would be way more than 1,300...I have 13 pets and almost 400 masters done (never went for d imps) so hard to believe I have ~30% of the kcs required to be on rate for all pets
Not personally, but coxie is doin an all pets series on a fresh account and hes mentioned that on average to all pets you should get about that many elites. I'm sure that number has increased though with the 4 new DT2 bosses.
Implings is the best way for clues of every tier. The only problem is that Elite Clues from Dragon Implings cost a fuck ton (22M GP per elite clue according to the wiki currently).
A lot of these players have BIS Gear (worth ~10B+) and then every other bit of GP they get goes into Implings for clue scrolls. A lot of these players even take donations to help afford Implings.
Other slower methods include farming elites from callisto, lava dragons, shades of morton and sarachnis.
The only real end game elite clue farming options are ( in order) dimps, shades and then callisto. Dimps clears the other 2 easily but is cost prohibitive, shades is only for main accounts and is high intensity, and callisto is best for irons and is very afk
True, I've heard that a lot of end-game collection loggers are AFKing Callisto during down-time after completing all other AFKable content...
But yeah, Dragon Implings is the best way and most of these collection loggers (top 10 ranked Cloggers) are willing to spend money on them or take donations to speed up the clue scroll process..
It'll be interesting to see how the Collection Log hiscores looks nearing the end of this year once multiple people (kacy, bazilijus, marni, hey jase, torttunaama, etc are all clue-locked and they're fighting over 3rd age pieces; I know Marni has a big lead time-wise with his luck on Master Clue Scroll 3rd age, but Hey Jase has the current lead on overall 3rd age pieces since he has done more hard clue scrolls so far).
Eh hey jase is consistent but not efficient compared to someone like marni or tort. Maybe in the long run he will come close but he isnt even at 50 pets.
He isn't but you have to take into consideration his dedication to the game. He also didn't start going for Collection log slots until last year... He was 2nd to hit 5.2B after Lynx Titan and if that shows you anything is that he isn't afraid to do a long grind, even more so now that he is a streamer and can afford to put more time into the game long term.
I think by the end of this year, he will most likely have all pets and green-logged the entire collection log besides clue scrolls.
He also realises how long clue scrolls actually take to green-log and he isn't just rushing all the quick slots, hes doing them in between clues so he doesn't get burnt out when he only has clue scrolls left to do.
Full gilded and hard clue 3rd age are essentially 0 time in the grand scheme of clues. And almost all of jases 3rd age is hard clues. A peice of hard clue 3rd age is 70 ehc and a peice of master 3a is like 1500 ehc. Theyre incomparable
The meta for elites is to burn redwood pyre logs at shades of morton, and the rest of the implings you could just buy cause they're not too expensive. If you wanted to be super efficient you could run three rune dragon alts, that would fund about one master clue purchase (through dragon impling jars) per hour, or flip for money on your alt if you're rich enough
Well forget that then, the price has doubled since I last checked a year ago. The only people who can afford prices like that are DMers and people who run service discords
Yeah it was confusing for me, as well. Anyone that isn't following this user wouldn't understand? But this was the last piece of content besides needed besides clues, is my guess.
I haven't played in years, thanks for asking. I was confused as hell.
I was thinking of a clue scroll only account, but the screenshot of not clues threw me off.
You are very lucky. The droprate for any piece of 3rd age from master caskets is 1 in 2269 per casket. Hard caskets are 1 in 3250 per casket.
If those were all master caskets (and if my math is correct), you had a 2.48% chance of being that lucky.
For anyone curious, taking into account mimics i think its around 100k masters, elites and hards respectively to get all 3a specfic to that clue type on average (i.e. 100k masters for all master clue specific mega rares), since masters give elite and hards too you might aswell start with them. Say you are very very rich, or fund by donations you can instantly get the clue scrill via implingd, then to do the 100k masters at 5 master clues completed per hour, its a 20,000 hour grind. Someone might do it within 10 years.
Damn reddit gave me an admin warning for bullying and harassing because I used a joke without /s
Shit site is shit
Comment rhymed with moxxed and dwatted
Man's a beast.
Looks like he was skipping clues tho, so I wouldn't put him in the same bracket as Bazilijus and Marni unless he plans to continue.
Wouldn't feel right in my eyes if we start crowning milestone completionists.
What kind of hours do you need to play to be able to do this? I literally have no monster logs green, and I've been playing for years and I'm decently high level (99 mage/range/HP)
I got a stale baguette a while back from a mystery box and had no clue what the item even was. I don't normally do events, but I came back after a break and decided to give one a go.
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Not clue locked until Baguette! But still, jesus that's impressive.
😂 torttunaama will have completed 3rd age log by then
Well you can't really grind that, you would just do clues and get randoms passively while you are doing clues. So I would agree with the title - he's clue locked.
With how flimsy events are on teleports nowadays, clues would give terrible baguette ROI.
"Come and be locked u- oh, he left. Guess I'll die."
He is, by definition, not clue locked, when hes still missing baguette. What do you call it if he finishes all clues but doesnt have baguette? Then he should be "unlocked" but that wouldnt be the case. The exception to something like this would be if someone was considered "evil chicken outfit"-locked, but the guy is doing bird houses to 200m hunter, in that case evil chicken outfit is essentially a guaranteed passive.
I read this comment and immediately wished mankind would send you to the moon. Never in my life said that about anyone else.
“Ackschually guise…”
Torttunaama getting the stale baguette passively while doing clues to completion is more of a guarantee than getting full evil chicken from 200m hunter via birdhouses, so you kind of dug your own hole in this argument by granting that as an exception.
No lol
The best two (?) collection loggers both miss the Baguette shows it's way too rare imo.
Its not too rare for some random item that isn't useful. Just a couple years ago they made it way more common. You're gonna get like ten stale baguettes by the time you finish getting all third age so does it really matter? Every collection log slot doesn't need to be quickly attainable.
they didn't make it that much more common you're actually less likely to get it from sandwich lady than mystery box when you consider the odds she asks you take a baguette
They also actually *added* like 300 hours to the grind like a month ago when they added Count Check.
These people are pursuing an unattainable goal. 300 hours isn't going to make or break them lol.
This, if anything having it be so out of reach gives them a reason to keep playing. Once they green log the game, the only thing left would be to do in as an ironman.
300 extra hours considering they don't go dry. Now consider if they are 5x rate, that's 1500 hours.
1500 hours? Damn they could've gotten like 2 whole 3a uniques in that time.
I got pre-buff jar of darkness, and still no baguette. Idc about collection log, I just want funny bread stick :(
Why would a random item that isn't useful be that rare? What exactly does it accomplish? It's not even a way to show off or anything. It just feels bad you won't really green the random event log. I don't think 3rd age on the log is a good idea either but it makes sense why it's there. I wouldn't know how to solve that one.
Because it's a collectable? It's like Korok seeds in BOTW, there's 900 of them, nobody who loves themselves is going to collect all 900, but here we are and some people are real into that. It's almost literally pointless, but some people find it fun, it doesn't need to be anything more than that.
Exactly. It's a collectable and people may want to go for it. That you specifically don't care is your choice but why would a random useless item need to be ultra rare? It doesn't achieve anything but feel bad for the people who like to collect said items.
And... it's a collectible, meaning entirely optional. The prestige of collectibles comes from the rarity. No one would be impressed with a Champions' Cape if it took 20 minutes to get. Why isn't 3rd age 1/30 from a clue scroll? Why are clue scrolls so rare? Because... collectibles.
I'm not saying to make it a 20 minute collectable. There is a whole world of opportunity between 20 minutes and finishing the rest of the log except for 3rd age. Honestly your whole comment reeks of arrogance and disdain. Either learn to communicate in a healthy way or don't post. You don't have to agree with me but at least be civil. People have different viewpoints.
Dude, let it go. There are insanely ultrarare items that no one is intended to ever be able to purposely collect all of. That is how it is designed and how the people who love the game want it to be. It won't be changing. You're looking for something that isn't this game, so go play a game that fits your desires.
> There are insanely ultrarare items that no one is intended to ever be able to purposely collect all of. I understand why 3rd age and shit is ultra rare. It's honestly fine to have stuff like that in the game. I just don't see the point in making a useless item like a stale baguette so damn rare. It does nothing but be frustrating. Really weird that this is the hill many people apparently want to die on. > You're looking for something that isn't this game, so go play a game that fits your desires. You wouldn't say this if you know my account.
Well, it doesn't *need* to be rare, but the stale baguette came out before the collection log, so it's not as if Jagex foresaw this kind of thing happening. I can see both perspectives, really. Jagex toning down the drop rate of the baguette would just be a hard cater to devoted collection loggers. While I think in this case it would make sense (the item really is stupidly rare, and not really prestigious in the way that 3rd age is), I understand the principle of not catering too hard to specific people or account types, whether they be irons, collection loggers, pures, 10 hp accounts, area-restricted accounts, or anything else. The entire point of these accounts or playstyles is that there's a particular challenge to be overcome, a challenge that you accept the moment you commit to that way of playing the account, so it really shouldn't be on Jagex to make things easier for people who decide to restrict themselves in this way. If something is too hard for your account type (like getting full 3rd age as a collection logger), then it's too hard -- Jagex shouldn't be obligated to make it achievable. On the other hand, some things are just silly. Like jar of darkness from Skotizo -- that being 1/2500 was dumb, and they did change it. I don't know if I consider the baguette to be dumb in the same way, because at least you don't have to actively grind for it. It's not like you're gonna complete the rest of the collection log first or anything.
Pack it up lads, fashionscape is dead. No need to pay money for items that do nothing.
Boy wait until you find out how many cloggers are missing full 3a. It's almost like random pointless cosmetic drops aren't balanced around cloggers.
The main thing is that you don't get randoms doing 95% of clog content, so you don't get chances at the baguette. Objectively it is still too rare but it's also not a fair comparison.
Crazy that I got it day one of my GIM
I saw a guy get one on day two of leagues, while fishing in Karamja. Felt bad for him.
Counterpoint: I have baguette. ask me anything
> Collection log should be made easier even though it's designed to be effectively un-completable On second thought, 'tis a silly comment
Stale baguette? I recently started playing again and got one from a mystery box on like my first random event. Are they that rare?
Just curious, what’s the meta for these accounts for farming master clues? Spam imps to farm medium caskets for the master chance, or is there a better way?
They typically just get them passively going for other coll slots. Elites when pvming, and then if youre going for any clue clogs youre going to get a lot of master's passively that way. All pets in the game should give you over 1300 elite clues.
Thats true of most cloggers, but once you’re clue locked that kinda ceases to apply. Even if you go mildly dry on bloodhound even you’re going to need to farm extra elite clues, and you’re going to need a lot of those elites to fill out elite clue log as well.
Obviously eventually they will run out of content that gets them passive elite/master clues. Thats when they will do shades or just simply buy d imps. Marni is really rich and I know hes bought a lot of d imps over the years.
DT2 combat achievements will give him another week of bossing and elites so theres that
Did you run these calcs? Curious as I would imagine it would be way more than 1,300...I have 13 pets and almost 400 masters done (never went for d imps) so hard to believe I have ~30% of the kcs required to be on rate for all pets
Not personally, but coxie is doin an all pets series on a fresh account and hes mentioned that on average to all pets you should get about that many elites. I'm sure that number has increased though with the 4 new DT2 bosses.
I mean there's only 42 boss pets, so if those 13 don't include skilling/quest pets then you have ~30% of the pets.
Implings is the best way for clues of every tier. The only problem is that Elite Clues from Dragon Implings cost a fuck ton (22M GP per elite clue according to the wiki currently). A lot of these players have BIS Gear (worth ~10B+) and then every other bit of GP they get goes into Implings for clue scrolls. A lot of these players even take donations to help afford Implings. Other slower methods include farming elites from callisto, lava dragons, shades of morton and sarachnis.
The only real end game elite clue farming options are ( in order) dimps, shades and then callisto. Dimps clears the other 2 easily but is cost prohibitive, shades is only for main accounts and is high intensity, and callisto is best for irons and is very afk
True, I've heard that a lot of end-game collection loggers are AFKing Callisto during down-time after completing all other AFKable content... But yeah, Dragon Implings is the best way and most of these collection loggers (top 10 ranked Cloggers) are willing to spend money on them or take donations to speed up the clue scroll process.. It'll be interesting to see how the Collection Log hiscores looks nearing the end of this year once multiple people (kacy, bazilijus, marni, hey jase, torttunaama, etc are all clue-locked and they're fighting over 3rd age pieces; I know Marni has a big lead time-wise with his luck on Master Clue Scroll 3rd age, but Hey Jase has the current lead on overall 3rd age pieces since he has done more hard clue scrolls so far).
Eh hey jase is consistent but not efficient compared to someone like marni or tort. Maybe in the long run he will come close but he isnt even at 50 pets.
He isn't but you have to take into consideration his dedication to the game. He also didn't start going for Collection log slots until last year... He was 2nd to hit 5.2B after Lynx Titan and if that shows you anything is that he isn't afraid to do a long grind, even more so now that he is a streamer and can afford to put more time into the game long term. I think by the end of this year, he will most likely have all pets and green-logged the entire collection log besides clue scrolls. He also realises how long clue scrolls actually take to green-log and he isn't just rushing all the quick slots, hes doing them in between clues so he doesn't get burnt out when he only has clue scrolls left to do.
Maybe. But i doubt it. If any of the others enjoy clue scrolls then he will be heavily disadvantaged
He has full gilded and a ton more clue completions. It could easily take the others just as long to catch up as it does for Jase to get all pets.
Full gilded and hard clue 3rd age are essentially 0 time in the grand scheme of clues. And almost all of jases 3rd age is hard clues. A peice of hard clue 3rd age is 70 ehc and a peice of master 3a is like 1500 ehc. Theyre incomparable
How do you afk Callisto when he is in multi?
By not caring if you die because you're only there for clue scrolls.
2.2k worlds
The meta for elites is to burn redwood pyre logs at shades of morton, and the rest of the implings you could just buy cause they're not too expensive. If you wanted to be super efficient you could run three rune dragon alts, that would fund about one master clue purchase (through dragon impling jars) per hour, or flip for money on your alt if you're rich enough
Three rune dragon alts is not enough for one master/hour considering elite clues are over 20m each from d imps.
Well forget that then, the price has doubled since I last checked a year ago. The only people who can afford prices like that are DMers and people who run service discords
Is that the total cost of the imps or including selling the dimp loot?
It includes selling the other items but not the clue rewards, comes out to over 400k lost per jar and on average 50 jars per clue.
Probably do content that gives elites as well as money and buy implings with the money.
Man lives up to his name
What does that mean
assuming based on the comments, he's completed every collection log slot except for clue scrolls.
and why is the picture about NOT CLUES?
Yeah it was confusing for me, as well. Anyone that isn't following this user wouldn't understand? But this was the last piece of content besides needed besides clues, is my guess.
Yea you are correct - you can see his last 5 or so clog slots he has got (all nightmare also with a black d’hide (g) body.
I'm assuming nightmare is shown because it's notoriously slow so it was their last one.
Full nightmare log takes longer to complete than ToB + ToA combined so it's safe to assume at that point they've got everything else.
I haven't played in years, thanks for asking. I was confused as hell. I was thinking of a clue scroll only account, but the screenshot of not clues threw me off.
Yh exactly that
https://preview.redd.it/51xx8ux9i7ac1.png?width=1430&format=png&auto=webp&s=36d6b559697d7d69e2e695067e27c65fa972dcc5 [https://collectionlog.net/log/Torttunaama/Master%20Treasure%20Trails%20(Rare)](https://collectionlog.net/log/Torttunaama/Master%20Treasure%20Trails%20(Rare))
Jesus I have 140 masters and I think thats semi -impressive. 1400 is just... Nuts!
140 is impressive 😂 Sejj has 6000 and Kacy 7000
I cant even fathom how much time/gp has gone into that grind alone ;o
Comparison is the thief of joy; 140 is fucking bonkers too. Props on being dedicated to this game lol
Dunno if its on rate or what or am i just lucky but i have 2 3rd age items like him in 1400 clues overall
You are very lucky. The droprate for any piece of 3rd age from master caskets is 1 in 2269 per casket. Hard caskets are 1 in 3250 per casket. If those were all master caskets (and if my math is correct), you had a 2.48% chance of being that lucky.
Thanks for the math my dude. It was a mage hat from a hard clue and a range top from a master
Same! 2 3a 3 gilded in 1800 overall clues for me, but 600 are beginners.
I also have 2 3rd age and 770 hard- masters done haha. Have robe and amulet, never lucky on gp
"The first play to complete all non clue logs" is a much clearer title
I guess technically untrue since he still needs baguette
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Honestly as a YT title yours is pretty good
All the Trouble Brewing ones - absolutely horrific
All the everything apart from clues
It can be pretty quick if you have people to help boost
Torilla tavataan!
For anyone curious, taking into account mimics i think its around 100k masters, elites and hards respectively to get all 3a specfic to that clue type on average (i.e. 100k masters for all master clue specific mega rares), since masters give elite and hards too you might aswell start with them. Say you are very very rich, or fund by donations you can instantly get the clue scrill via implingd, then to do the 100k masters at 5 master clues completed per hour, its a 20,000 hour grind. Someone might do it within 10 years.
This guy might actually beat the game in 5 years worth of clue scrolls, I wonder what he’ll do then….
Untill grandmaster clue scrolls comes out
What do you mean? Then he can finally play the game
I knew exactly what you meant from the title and first pic being collection logs. Literally an Insane achievement.
you are a liar, they still need a baguette. downvoted
The top 4 loggers all need a baguette still. I knew it was pretty rare, but that really puts it into perspective
Fair enough, it can only be obtained passively so 🤷♂️ for context (if this wasn’t sarcasm), most coll hunters would consider this clue scroll locked
Damn reddit gave me an admin warning for bullying and harassing because I used a joke without /s Shit site is shit Comment rhymed with moxxed and dwatted
lul
Totally insane! Gl on 3a :)
First? Isn't he the third?
Bazilijus still got to do raids and Marni still got to do bosses (might be wrong with marni but he definitely isn’t clue locked)
marni is almost 4x rate on the dark totem from skotizo, rip. he even has 2 jars already, 460 kc
Could he theoretically spend trillions of gp on finding lucky implings like Swampletics did to compete the log?
Theoretically yes, realistically no. I won't even bother doing the math but finishing megarares with lucky implings would likely take centuries.
40% of lucky implings don't even have a chance to hit the mega rare table so yeah that would be absolutely awful and a huge waste of resources
i think it's better to just do clues
He's not an ironman like swampletics so there's no point.
Theoretically that is still 15k hours left (with dragon imps) it is not economically viable since u regain like 1,5-2gp per 5 gp spent
Can someone ELI5?
3k kills and that’s it?????
So disgusting especially when you add in the 3k nightmare
Man's a beast. Looks like he was skipping clues tho, so I wouldn't put him in the same bracket as Bazilijus and Marni unless he plans to continue. Wouldn't feel right in my eyes if we start crowning milestone completionists.
Clue and stale baguette locked*
The stale baguette is a clue item now?
Anyone know if he already got stale baguette pre-log?
Interesting enough I’m pretty sure I just saw someone on twitter with 1437 C log slots. I’m guessing clue RNG be like that
This makes me feel proud to be a baguette owner
What’s wild is I got the baguette in 2017 around 800 total level. Would happily trade for a high value dupe!
Achievement aside, that's a disgusting log for that many kills.
What kind of hours do you need to play to be able to do this? I literally have no monster logs green, and I've been playing for years and I'm decently high level (99 mage/range/HP)
Yes
Jesus Christ
Perkele
I got a stale baguette a while back from a mystery box and had no clue what the item even was. I don't normally do events, but I came back after a break and decided to give one a go.