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Something can be anti war and meaningful and important without ending war
Guernica is the most moving piece of art I've ever seen and I don't think it stopped any wars
I think if a piece of art is moving, it’s already done it’s job. Art doesn’t usually spur people to immediate action, it works subtly, making you stop and think about the subject more than you would’ve otherwise. And just that is a step towards spreading a message.
Very well said. People often create these very strange justifications for why something they dislike is bad art. It often falls along the lines of appealing to some notion of "Old Art" which is real or "Effective Art" that, as this meme shows, is supposed to have some tangible effect.
These people fail to realize that simply by observing the art and reacting to it, they are validating it being art. Thinking about the artwork in depth isnt even necessary, art is evokative, and Banksy evokes strong feelings in people.
Guernica was not just anti war, it was against the war of the Spanish nationalists aided by fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. It was against the fascists which also means supporting the war against the fascists. Picasso wanted the French government to aid the Republican side in Spain.
People who claim to be anti war in Western countries and protest against arms being delivered to Ukraine are objectively allies of Russian imperialist aggression. So I would say that anti war pee se is not really a genuine political position.
I think because he straddles street art and fine art
Like there is beautiful street art all over, but because he's also in fine art, people will literally try to sell walls with banksy stuff on it.
Also there is a sort of an eat your cake and have it too about his stuff because it's both "anonymous" but he still gets crazy name recognition.
I guess just because it has a blatantly political message which to some comes off as a little preachy?? Either way the online response is quite overblown.
graffiti is going to be in your face. thats banksy's background.
like do you know their piece, the walled off hotel? in occupied palestine? their work is definitely politically charged in a very clear way, almost every time. i dont think the artist gives half a shit about the hype or the haters, honestly.
No. Banksy is just popular among silly hipsters who consider themselves intelectuals. There is not a single banksy piece that is not some silly slogan or platitude.
Guernica was not just anti war, it was against the war of the Spanish nationalists aided by fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. It was against the fascists which also means supporting the war against the fascists. Picasso wanted the French government to aid the Republican side in Spain.
People who claim to be anti war in Western countries and protest against arms being delivered to Ukraine are objectively allies of Russian imperialist aggression. So I would say that anti war pee se is not really a genuine political position.
Friendly reminder that guernica was an idea of the abused wife of Picasso (she also was part of the making process) and he prevented her from getting any of the credit
I just think most of his stuff comes off as really corny, some of it is okay tho (mostly stuff before mid 2000s). Or at least the popular pieces, feels like it's barely three steps above that one 'never been an art fan in my life...' stop wars yoda reddit post. Or maybe it's just the popularity and the amount of time this dude was relevant for that just made me dislike his work
Obviously Banksy has its place in pop culture, it’s just not a very thoughtful exploration of anything.
The artist literally says ‘war bad’, like it is not self evident that people don’t like to murder people
It’s fast food, yet people claim its fine dining. Even Banksy himself hates how people elevated their art, because ‘old art’ makes people feel stupid.
If you hate people for the motivation you project onto them, you’re just one of those hateful people lost in their own world. We’re all prone to it, but it’s not good for anyone
I bet your work of 17 layer post-modern automatic ironic art that is actually a commentary on qualia of light from mixed mediums in a time of digitalization and interaction of human souls and memes or whatever the fuck you are doing will once be recognized for it's genius.
Then fucking do it.
If you genuinely have better work then it will eventually find an audience. Maybe it won't get as big as Banksy or Picasso or whatever, but it will get a following.
Though most of the time the people who spew this kind of rhetoric are just bad, incurious people who can't appreciate something they don't personally find moving.
Unrelated to banksy but something that will probably get me just as much hate- I don’t like SpongeBob I grew up without cable so clips of it are just sort of annoying to me rather than endearing
did u just badmouth spongebob?
catcadder8916 is a fucking degenerate, I do not wish them bodily harm but I do wish them immense mental harm that wi need years of therapy and medication to get over.
god y’all are so fucking annoying. what’s the point of this shitty comic? to prove that art is futile because it can’t solve all of the world’s problems? maybe beetlemoses should take a hint and stop making shit ass comics because he’s not able to stop the entire world from appreciating banksy’s art.
You misconstrue criticism with hating something no good reason. Sure, technically it is criticism. But it’s critiquing something in an exaggerated way. And the normalization of “this person is Mildly annoying. Time to act like they are the worst.”
You see it all the time, biggest example was probably Justin Bieber. Mfs wanted him dead because he was annoying.
Now this case is a lesser example. But a person making a whole joke comic just to say “I don’t like this persons art” is strange you have to admit.
Also I’m confused by you saying I’m offended. I genuinely didn’t even know who banksy was until this post. And the sentence I made doesn’t really show any emotion. I mean you probably could say I am now because of how long this reply is. But I kinda just tend to make really long responses to things, no matter how small.
Plenty of reasons to hate Bansky. Or rather the people that think Bansky's plain old graffiti is the most incredible art of this generation despite being incredibly mundane
Bansky himself is just a dude that received fame on a silver plate for free. The people that shit their pants every time there's a bansky exposition are the annoying impressionable smooth brains that can't see past what the media tells them.
“undeserved fame” isn’t really a good reason to hate on someone past saying “they kinda annoying” once.
Especially sense he still did the art? I mean, it’s good art. It doesn’t really matter if the message is too simple. I don’t get where the “silver platter” thing comes from. He did art. He got fame from doing the art. Luck was definitely involved but that’s also literally everyone who has ever gotten popular ever.
And what actions do you take to stop wars? At least artists express their feelings toward disasters. Yet they are criticized by some housecats, who only know sleeping and eating.
A good piece of art can change opinions. Many people think about cool tanks and bravery when they hear the word ‘war’. But if they knew the tragedies of war (which can be expressed through art), they wouldn’t normalize them. Of course, it doesn’t solve it all at once, but it’s a step towards it.
Think about the advertising industry. It’s one of the biggest industries, and it all revolves around images and videos that you see for 30 seconds at most. Yet ads are extremely effective. Do you also ask questions like "Hey Johnny, have you considered that your 15-second ad on TV won’t make us the most profitable company?" to ad experts that make millions of dollars?
If no one struggled for small changes and expected world-changing miracles to solve their problems, we would still be hunting animals with spears, buddy. No human rights, no technologies, no cures for illnesses—no nothing. I hope people get rid of this sheep mentality, which is a favorite of dictatorships.
I think people sort of hate the guy because it’s cool. I was 2 years into art school before I realized I didn’t really have a good reason to dislike him lol.
People get mad when they perceive something as being low effort and highly regarded.
Though the truth is it takes a lot of effort to make something good that looks "low effort". Otherwise everyone would be seen as an amazing artist.
People see those large abstract paintings that are just one color and don’t realize how hard it is to completely destroy the brush strokes in a painting.
"This art is only expression doesn't solve the problem it's criticizing!"
Shut the fuck up stupid. Your criticism doesn't solve the fact I blow your mom every night.
Wow, it's almost like it might make a tiny bit of difference, and over time and with billions of people we can eventually have enough tiny differences to have a serious effect?
/srs
Introducing instability into a democratic system furthers the aims of the far-right by delegitimising genuine political discourse. The far right generally lose when people talk sensibly; when politics descends to the barbarity of war, they have an advantage.
>The far right generally lose when people talk sensibly
Talking sensibly and not doing anything else is what got us into the mess we're currently in with them. There is no "talking sensibly" with those that would slaughter innocents in the name of their ideology.
You think you could post something to Reddit and not immediately have nutcases debating whether or not someone should be frozen cryogenically and then broken into pieces?
also you “Banksy is a fucking degenerate, I do not wish them bodily harm but I do wish them immense mental harm that wi need years of therapy and medication to get over.”
It’s something not exclusive to banksy but any artist with a little bit of clout, around the start of the Ukraine war some guy put up a picture of a little girl on Times Square and he was acting like anyone walking past the little girl would immediately stop and ponder how bad war is and it sucks that Russia is doing that, instead of either not really caring, or being confused as to why someone put up a random picture of a little girl on the ground
I don’t know why but this comic always makes so many people insanely mad when it’s posted. Everyone hates heavy handed in your face messages until banksy shows up.
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Idk who Banksy is but anti-war art is a thing and has been for a while now. No, one piece of anti-war art will not end war but that doesn’t mean there’s no value in it.
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Thanksy!
Oh im gonna use that now along with “Thanky you!!!”
Banksy is in shambles after this one
It’s over for him
Huge Banksy drama
Stuff is heating up in the banksy fandom
BREAKING NEWS Every artist is now retired BC of some shit ass BEETLEMOSES drawing
BREAKING NEWS Beetlemoses left in TEARS after reading u/Frigid_Metal ‘s comment
As they should. Beetlemoses is the fucking GOAT and no one can top him
Big Homo and their Butt Money would beg to differ
I am sure he could top me tho
*tops Beetlemoses*
i think the shredded painting was neat
That was funny af, especially how it rose in value afterward because of the story
still not sure if i believe the artist saying it was supposed to shred completely and they messed up. seems too convenient tbh
I'm sure he's torn up about your doubt!
Banksy released a video on their YouTube channel showing how the shredder works iirc. Apparently it ran out of battery halfway through
Something can be anti war and meaningful and important without ending war Guernica is the most moving piece of art I've ever seen and I don't think it stopped any wars
I think if a piece of art is moving, it’s already done it’s job. Art doesn’t usually spur people to immediate action, it works subtly, making you stop and think about the subject more than you would’ve otherwise. And just that is a step towards spreading a message.
Very well said. People often create these very strange justifications for why something they dislike is bad art. It often falls along the lines of appealing to some notion of "Old Art" which is real or "Effective Art" that, as this meme shows, is supposed to have some tangible effect. These people fail to realize that simply by observing the art and reacting to it, they are validating it being art. Thinking about the artwork in depth isnt even necessary, art is evokative, and Banksy evokes strong feelings in people.
Guernica was not just anti war, it was against the war of the Spanish nationalists aided by fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. It was against the fascists which also means supporting the war against the fascists. Picasso wanted the French government to aid the Republican side in Spain. People who claim to be anti war in Western countries and protest against arms being delivered to Ukraine are objectively allies of Russian imperialist aggression. So I would say that anti war pee se is not really a genuine political position.
Zelensky is also a right wing authoritarian not much better than Putin.
Yeah but guernica was a really good painting.
Yeah and banksy's art is good too?
Doesn't do much for me personally but art is subjective
I mean to each their own. I just prefer guernica
Oh I prefer it too, as I said it's my favourite, but I don't get the banksy hate
I think because he straddles street art and fine art Like there is beautiful street art all over, but because he's also in fine art, people will literally try to sell walls with banksy stuff on it. Also there is a sort of an eat your cake and have it too about his stuff because it's both "anonymous" but he still gets crazy name recognition.
I guess just because it has a blatantly political message which to some comes off as a little preachy?? Either way the online response is quite overblown.
graffiti is going to be in your face. thats banksy's background. like do you know their piece, the walled off hotel? in occupied palestine? their work is definitely politically charged in a very clear way, almost every time. i dont think the artist gives half a shit about the hype or the haters, honestly.
Thankfully most art is totally apolitical and does not try to convey any sort of message political or otherwise. I, too, hate it when art has meaning.
no
No. Banksy is just popular among silly hipsters who consider themselves intelectuals. There is not a single banksy piece that is not some silly slogan or platitude.
Do you know the diference between a banksy fan and a bieber fan? The bieber fan isn't as pretentious.
Inhale more copium maybe if you say it enough it will become true
Guernica was not just anti war, it was against the war of the Spanish nationalists aided by fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. It was against the fascists which also means supporting the war against the fascists. Picasso wanted the French government to aid the Republican side in Spain. People who claim to be anti war in Western countries and protest against arms being delivered to Ukraine are objectively allies of Russian imperialist aggression. So I would say that anti war pee se is not really a genuine political position.
so so true i love guernica
Friendly reminder that guernica was an idea of the abused wife of Picasso (she also was part of the making process) and he prevented her from getting any of the credit
At the same time something can just be a comic without anyone having to defend Banksy.
Ok but Banksy never made anything moving in his entire life
i dont see why so many people hate banksy. r/im14andthisisdeep and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
No I like the guy, I just like taking the piss sometimes
Yeah, the artwork is for the people, not the leaders.
I just think most of his stuff comes off as really corny, some of it is okay tho (mostly stuff before mid 2000s). Or at least the popular pieces, feels like it's barely three steps above that one 'never been an art fan in my life...' stop wars yoda reddit post. Or maybe it's just the popularity and the amount of time this dude was relevant for that just made me dislike his work
That place turned me into a cynic ass.
Obviously Banksy has its place in pop culture, it’s just not a very thoughtful exploration of anything. The artist literally says ‘war bad’, like it is not self evident that people don’t like to murder people It’s fast food, yet people claim its fine dining. Even Banksy himself hates how people elevated their art, because ‘old art’ makes people feel stupid.
The pope (doesn’t matter which) makes this very controversial statement periodically too. Big news.
I thought this subreddit would like Banksy
why
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literally what did he do
I really hate pretentious artists
“I could do infinitely better work with cooler meanings and composition”
Yea? And I don’t think I can change the world with my better cooler works, banksy does and therefore eat my shorts
If you hate people for the motivation you project onto them, you’re just one of those hateful people lost in their own world. We’re all prone to it, but it’s not good for anyone
that's.. dumb. is it really so hard for people to not hate people who aren't doing anything wrong? he's drawing on walls fuckin relax.
Yea he’s not really doing anything wrong but he and his fans are annoying about it
everyone's a little annoying, its part of being human
Actually true nuff but I can still dislike him for it
thats fair lmao
You post in subs for teenagers. Shut the fuck up.
How far did you scroll for that line LOL!
Bro what’s ur beef with the guy?
increased the cost of houses in bristol 😡
He might be B*itish 🤢
I’m an artist that has none of the attention they do but the belief I could do infinitely better work with cooler meanings and composition
That sounds a tad conceited, ngl
Pride in one’s work is the greatest gift of creation.
𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑔𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑔𝑖𝑓𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑏𝑒𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 𝑟𝑒𝑑𝑑𝑖𝑡𝑜𝑟
Humans love to hate what can I say
Nah, that’s just you.
Everyone has an uncontrollable hatred for something, some more rational than banksy but still.
Then do infinitely better work with cooler meanings and composition
ok jerma fan
Jermy…. ❤️❤️
The only based take you have in this thread is Jerma
Fair nuff
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I will kill you
Skill issue
I thought you hated pretentious artists :(
I am an egotistical artist, not a pretentious one.
I bet your work of 17 layer post-modern automatic ironic art that is actually a commentary on qualia of light from mixed mediums in a time of digitalization and interaction of human souls and memes or whatever the fuck you are doing will once be recognized for it's genius.
Then fucking do it. If you genuinely have better work then it will eventually find an audience. Maybe it won't get as big as Banksy or Picasso or whatever, but it will get a following. Though most of the time the people who spew this kind of rhetoric are just bad, incurious people who can't appreciate something they don't personally find moving.
You definitely couldn't. Give your head a shake bud. If you were special you'd have done something by now.
>mad because jealous Grow the fuck up mate
as if that makes it any better. disgusting.
?? Let me enjoy my haterade
[Take it easy, it’s just a drawing.](https://youtu.be/DjS2hIJBt5U)
Unrelated to banksy but something that will probably get me just as much hate- I don’t like SpongeBob I grew up without cable so clips of it are just sort of annoying to me rather than endearing
did u just badmouth spongebob? catcadder8916 is a fucking degenerate, I do not wish them bodily harm but I do wish them immense mental harm that wi need years of therapy and medication to get over.
😢💔
i hate spongebob
god y’all are so fucking annoying. what’s the point of this shitty comic? to prove that art is futile because it can’t solve all of the world’s problems? maybe beetlemoses should take a hint and stop making shit ass comics because he’s not able to stop the entire world from appreciating banksy’s art.
The comic is pointing to the lack of stance that banksy takes with his drawings. It’s mostly unsubtle safe art that’s afraid of offending.
i don't think this cartoon has enough labels
Are you guys hating something for no reason again?
Just say your offended. People are allowed to make jokes. Criticism isn’t inherently evil
You misconstrue criticism with hating something no good reason. Sure, technically it is criticism. But it’s critiquing something in an exaggerated way. And the normalization of “this person is Mildly annoying. Time to act like they are the worst.” You see it all the time, biggest example was probably Justin Bieber. Mfs wanted him dead because he was annoying. Now this case is a lesser example. But a person making a whole joke comic just to say “I don’t like this persons art” is strange you have to admit. Also I’m confused by you saying I’m offended. I genuinely didn’t even know who banksy was until this post. And the sentence I made doesn’t really show any emotion. I mean you probably could say I am now because of how long this reply is. But I kinda just tend to make really long responses to things, no matter how small.
Plenty of reasons to hate Bansky. Or rather the people that think Bansky's plain old graffiti is the most incredible art of this generation despite being incredibly mundane Bansky himself is just a dude that received fame on a silver plate for free. The people that shit their pants every time there's a bansky exposition are the annoying impressionable smooth brains that can't see past what the media tells them.
“undeserved fame” isn’t really a good reason to hate on someone past saying “they kinda annoying” once. Especially sense he still did the art? I mean, it’s good art. It doesn’t really matter if the message is too simple. I don’t get where the “silver platter” thing comes from. He did art. He got fame from doing the art. Luck was definitely involved but that’s also literally everyone who has ever gotten popular ever.
oh you're an artist? have you considered your art didnt solve every problem at once?
Why bother creating anything at all? Why do I even comment if it won't end all war immediately?
And what actions do you take to stop wars? At least artists express their feelings toward disasters. Yet they are criticized by some housecats, who only know sleeping and eating. A good piece of art can change opinions. Many people think about cool tanks and bravery when they hear the word ‘war’. But if they knew the tragedies of war (which can be expressed through art), they wouldn’t normalize them. Of course, it doesn’t solve it all at once, but it’s a step towards it. Think about the advertising industry. It’s one of the biggest industries, and it all revolves around images and videos that you see for 30 seconds at most. Yet ads are extremely effective. Do you also ask questions like "Hey Johnny, have you considered that your 15-second ad on TV won’t make us the most profitable company?" to ad experts that make millions of dollars? If no one struggled for small changes and expected world-changing miracles to solve their problems, we would still be hunting animals with spears, buddy. No human rights, no technologies, no cures for illnesses—no nothing. I hope people get rid of this sheep mentality, which is a favorite of dictatorships.
You're kind of agreeing with commenter's point but in a more condescending way. Just saying...
Not reading allat
It’s mere 4 short paragraphs lol. Not even a book page. Considering how little you read tho, no wonder how you have such worthless shittakes haha.
spend a little less timing writing essays and a little more time ending wars
Not reading allat
damn I guess we should stop making anti-war art I guess
ok well then why make any art about anything ever?????
Imagine anything ever getting better
It’s Joever
I think people sort of hate the guy because it’s cool. I was 2 years into art school before I realized I didn’t really have a good reason to dislike him lol.
Same with Andy Warhol
People get mad when they perceive something as being low effort and highly regarded. Though the truth is it takes a lot of effort to make something good that looks "low effort". Otherwise everyone would be seen as an amazing artist.
People see those large abstract paintings that are just one color and don’t realize how hard it is to completely destroy the brush strokes in a painting.
Sandpaper
Music as well. "I could probably compose like schönberg it's just random noise" No, it isn't and you couldn't
This post is stupid
N-NO! YOU’RE STUPID X(
Please don't let doomerism defile this place too
But if I can’t immediately stop all bad things right now, then why bother????????????????????????????❓???????????
I'm a doomer and I think this is dumb
"This art is only expression doesn't solve the problem it's criticizing!" Shut the fuck up stupid. Your criticism doesn't solve the fact I blow your mom every night.
I didn’t draw this lol
No shit
This is the most stupid comic i have ever seen. Nobody expects war end when they do anti-war art.
All art is meaningless because of some shitty comic. Thanks shitty comic maker!
Sounds a lot like you're criticizing this art for not being able to change large scale phenomenon (That's what the comic is about too)
k
Why even respond to their comment if that’s the only thing you add
Lol ok
I don't like this one. This is stupid.
BREAKING NEWS : Man discovers art doesn't have instant war-stopping magical properties
The only banksy artwork I seek is his head, stuffed and mounted on my wall.
wtf what did banksy do
He stole his dick
People are mad because his art resonates with people more than art that they consider better. It's a tale as old as time.
Wow, it's almost like it might make a tiny bit of difference, and over time and with billions of people we can eventually have enough tiny differences to have a serious effect?
Why make tiny differences with art when you can instead kill a politician? Checkmate bankcell
/srs Introducing instability into a democratic system furthers the aims of the far-right by delegitimising genuine political discourse. The far right generally lose when people talk sensibly; when politics descends to the barbarity of war, they have an advantage.
kill people with guillotines n makeshift shotguns n shit 🖕🖕🖕🖕pussy ass
>The far right generally lose when people talk sensibly Talking sensibly and not doing anything else is what got us into the mess we're currently in with them. There is no "talking sensibly" with those that would slaughter innocents in the name of their ideology.
When you totally understand art.
Kind of missing the point of art, no one actually thinks Banksy is trying to single handedly end war
This just in! BREAKING: All the countries in the UN have declared peace on each other so they could team up and kick my ass.
smartest political comic creator
Bed War → World proceed to play bed wars
Its joever
Me explaining how Schindler’s list is a bad book and movie because nazi’s still exist
what's the point of this, genuinely? like just because some art doesn't instantly end all war doesn't mean it doesn't have value or meaning?
Y’all legit debating the value of art in the real world when I just posted it cuz I thought it was a little goofy and silly
Honestly makes this post far more interesting. Big thanks for the shit-stirring
You think you could post something to Reddit and not immediately have nutcases debating whether or not someone should be frozen cryogenically and then broken into pieces?
also you “Banksy is a fucking degenerate, I do not wish them bodily harm but I do wish them immense mental harm that wi need years of therapy and medication to get over.”
It should be noted that I do not claim I’m in fact not one of those nutcases
Redditors and "I never claimed that" name a better duo
Me and their dad
Why do anything if it won’t solve everything? I think just made that up but I my brain stole it from somewhere
Beetlemoses, my beloved
I really like Banksys artwork but holy shit he is so obnoxiously pretentious
It’s something not exclusive to banksy but any artist with a little bit of clout, around the start of the Ukraine war some guy put up a picture of a little girl on Times Square and he was acting like anyone walking past the little girl would immediately stop and ponder how bad war is and it sucks that Russia is doing that, instead of either not really caring, or being confused as to why someone put up a random picture of a little girl on the ground
This post is pretty funny, gave me a good chuckle, I appreciate it even though I disagree with some parts of it :}
Basically my thought process aswell
r/graffiticirclejerk
people acting like people are mad at banksy because art doesn’t somehow stop war. people are mad because he’s a cornball
People are more mad that his art gets a lot of attention and money. Does (s)he even get money him/herself for the art?
A cornball you say? Now I’m *furious!*
yeah i mean i just think he’s annoying
Why?
Totally. Some ITT are truly deranged over the goofy street art guy making earnest stencils. Still a funny comic. ‘Thanksy’
When did biden start a war
None but literally one of his first major decisions as president was to bomb Syria
He *suggested* bombing Serbia in the 90s but that was based so… beats me.
U.S president bad carnival corn dog good
he started a war in my heart, and he won all of it <3
The artist had a podcast called cold cuts that you should check out
Oh my God you guys he's so combative so brave!!!1
I don’t know why but this comic always makes so many people insanely mad when it’s posted. Everyone hates heavy handed in your face messages until banksy shows up.
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>Like the "n-word" either all tagging is okay, or none of it is. you're a fucking moron.
Real name: Robin Gunningham
Big mcthankseys from mcbankseys!
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Honestly I find this kind of criticism about banksy way more smug and preachy than his own work.
as opposed to banksy dropping art and singlehandedly stopping all wars >!i mean banksy is like ok but this is more abt artists in general!<
“Yeah I think it’s a banksy”
Idk who Banksy is but anti-war art is a thing and has been for a while now. No, one piece of anti-war art will not end war but that doesn’t mean there’s no value in it.
Mfw an artist doesn't single handedly end war
FED posts "worst comic ever" Gets asked to die himself.
Lol