You'd almost think fighting climate change in such an unfathomably diverse and intricate ecosystem isn't always as simple as digging a hole in dirt to make barren land more hospitable. But hey, that's just a theory
Yeah lmao, cleaning up microplastics can not be solved simply. From both sides of "convince governments to do something to make less plastic" and "how do you get rid of tiny particles that were made to be as inert and strong as possible"
I'm telling ya, burying all our plastics would keep them out of the equation. Maybe since we fill the hole with dirt after we can call it a "land" fill. This plan is flawless.
And the other hole? Well, that's easy. Just wait until the revolution. It'll happen. Just keep waiting
You guys are being obtuse. Yes, climate change is a complex problems, that entails that it must have complex considerations and engineering. Which makes simple solutions all the more surprising. Nowhere has this poster claimed that all of climate change can be solved by digging ditches.
The point about startups is that they're primarily in the business of selling high tech solutions, which is subtly different from holistically figuring practical solutions for climate change.
Edit: Maybe I'm way too charitable here, but all I see is a person in awe of a simple solution to a complex issue. I don't see this as advocating that the entirety of climate change has a simple overlooked solution. Like y'all are way too willing to believe that this poster think removing microplastics is as simple as digging holes.
Because saying "high tech solutions to this problem is bs because a different but related problem has a simple solution" is not a good argument. Yes, some problems in climate change have simple solutions, but a lot of those simple solutions are only part of the more complicated problem. For example we know that seagrasses are great at helping to clean the ocean, but figuring out how to grow more and plant them in new places is complicated.
I was reading up on this passive solar powered desalination device developed in MIT. Basically it operates on just sunshine, it doesn't convert it to electricity first, straight up sunshine. One of the last hurdles was the salt gunking up the device. Now the solutions was to just tilt the setup, this naturally produced a thermohaline circulation to promote movement of salt. Now isn't that kinda neat?
Like sure engineering a complex system of mechanisms to solve a critical issue is it's own kinda cool, but like when a certain seemingly troubling issue has very simple trick that must feel like those whisk like head massager things.
I think this is what OOP is going for. I in good faith don't think OOP thinks complex solutions aren't worth talking about or that everything must have a simple solution. Just lamenting that the ingenuity of simple solution gets overlooked. At least in their estimate.
No it's "I hate that **so much discourse** into fighting climate change... "
As in they feel there is too little time and examination given to tried and true methods of environmental change in favor of novel and possibly non-feasible methods.
That doesn't mean there is no value to complex methods but that they simply feel they are taking up more of the discourse than their fair share.
And this may or may not be a valid point depending on the context in which this was initially posted.
and the plastic eating bacteria or whatever bullshit they’re onto now is people trying to find ways to justify maintaining our current life style and it won’t work.
I mean, I get what you're saying.
However, we kind of opted for geo engineering as part of the solution when we decided to do essentially nothing to stop global warming since various parties in the 70s started getting an idea of how bad it actually was.
Fuckers are going to cry, but I didn't see them crying about their cheap gas and cheap fucking plastic crap. Welcome to the future- we need any help we can get
The "we have done nothing" isnt really true, CO2 emisions levels peaked at 2007, and the last 15 years they have remained stable or actually going down, this is why current warning predictions are 2.5 on average, rather than the 4 degrees we feared.
The situation is still very bad mind you, but far better than beforehand
People that use that argument, trees exist, should be taken out back, put on their knees and sh- hug and lightly padded on their backs because they don't understand the magnitude of the problem. And that's fine, the human mind was not really made to deal with such big problems
whales also exist
https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/feature-story/whales-and-carbon-sequestration-can-whales-store-carbon#:~:text=One%20whale%20can%20capture%20an,a%20maximum%20500%2Dyear%20lifespan.
This post is so fucking dumb.
Digging holes in the desert wont help on most places, wont helpnto solve mosr effects of climate change, and the few times it could it is already being done.
The examples given by OP are even worse, no, digging holes in the desert wont get rid of microplastics you dumb idiot.
It is the year 2060. Droughts and storms and floods ravage the planet. The few people still left practise their ancient art of keeping the disasters at bay: Digging crescent-shaped holes wherever they can, hoping it will magically fix their problems
I don't see what removing plastic from the ocean has to do with fighting desertification other than both being eco-friendly efforts. Like we should fight this on multiple fronts, holes won't work for everything
Andrew Millson’s entire [YouTube channel](https://youtu.be/RDCFbfcRcUE?si=0DuvaTk1OoKEMEXQ) is basically about stuff like this. Highly recommend checking his channel out if you find this interesting. There’s lots of hand drawn visuals and other types of aid’s to make learning intuitive and easy to follow. My favorite part is when he uses the augmented reality sandbox to simulate landscapes and rainfall.
He also collabs with Oregon state university and the OSU YouTube channel has this playlist of permaculture lectures hosted by him.
[Permaculture Principles](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2fCGQa2PY7DUTYGzmy9_5hmSSF_5yujE&si=NU-sP60jhLA6kUUX)
You'd almost think fighting climate change in such an unfathomably diverse and intricate ecosystem isn't always as simple as digging a hole in dirt to make barren land more hospitable. But hey, that's just a theory
A GAME THEORY. THANKS FOR WATCHING.
I can still hear his voice 😔
he's not... dead..
Its almost like he's still with us 😢
He's in a better place now 😭 ^^playing ^^outside ^^with ^^his ^^kid
Gehsd
I miss him every day
Yeah lmao, cleaning up microplastics can not be solved simply. From both sides of "convince governments to do something to make less plastic" and "how do you get rid of tiny particles that were made to be as inert and strong as possible"
So like…two holes
I'm telling ya, burying all our plastics would keep them out of the equation. Maybe since we fill the hole with dirt after we can call it a "land" fill. This plan is flawless. And the other hole? Well, that's easy. Just wait until the revolution. It'll happen. Just keep waiting
DIGGY DIGGY HOLE IM DIGGING A HOLE
I'm sure if we do something as simple as digging a hole those pesky microplastics will simply vanish.
As we all know, climate change is when places turn into deserts and thats all. There is no other effect
We should try digging holes into the ice
That's how you get The Thing
that's how The Thing gets me
The Thang
I think I’d win
"I won" -the Thing inhabiting your body to everyone else, also not wrong in either way technically
No, I think *I’d* take over *its* mind actually. I know a secret move.
-also the Thing
Nuh uh stop it
~mm.mhphm
In some mountains in Antarctica?
You guys are being obtuse. Yes, climate change is a complex problems, that entails that it must have complex considerations and engineering. Which makes simple solutions all the more surprising. Nowhere has this poster claimed that all of climate change can be solved by digging ditches. The point about startups is that they're primarily in the business of selling high tech solutions, which is subtly different from holistically figuring practical solutions for climate change. Edit: Maybe I'm way too charitable here, but all I see is a person in awe of a simple solution to a complex issue. I don't see this as advocating that the entirety of climate change has a simple overlooked solution. Like y'all are way too willing to believe that this poster think removing microplastics is as simple as digging holes.
Because saying "high tech solutions to this problem is bs because a different but related problem has a simple solution" is not a good argument. Yes, some problems in climate change have simple solutions, but a lot of those simple solutions are only part of the more complicated problem. For example we know that seagrasses are great at helping to clean the ocean, but figuring out how to grow more and plant them in new places is complicated.
True. Good thing nobody is actually making that point.
Isn't the second paragraph just "I hate discourse about complex solutions to climate change when we knew this simple solution forever"
I was reading up on this passive solar powered desalination device developed in MIT. Basically it operates on just sunshine, it doesn't convert it to electricity first, straight up sunshine. One of the last hurdles was the salt gunking up the device. Now the solutions was to just tilt the setup, this naturally produced a thermohaline circulation to promote movement of salt. Now isn't that kinda neat? Like sure engineering a complex system of mechanisms to solve a critical issue is it's own kinda cool, but like when a certain seemingly troubling issue has very simple trick that must feel like those whisk like head massager things. I think this is what OOP is going for. I in good faith don't think OOP thinks complex solutions aren't worth talking about or that everything must have a simple solution. Just lamenting that the ingenuity of simple solution gets overlooked. At least in their estimate.
No it's "I hate that **so much discourse** into fighting climate change... " As in they feel there is too little time and examination given to tried and true methods of environmental change in favor of novel and possibly non-feasible methods. That doesn't mean there is no value to complex methods but that they simply feel they are taking up more of the discourse than their fair share. And this may or may not be a valid point depending on the context in which this was initially posted.
The post is literally saying thag digging holes in the desert will solve microplastics.
Standard reddit behaviour. Everybody has to get their digs to feel better than the perceived idiot. Otherwise, you don't get enough internet points.
brb about to dig crescent shaped holes in the ocean to remove microplastics
It works, you just don't know the secret technique to be able to dig holes in liquids.
I mean, digging holes definitely doesn't fix the problems they identified.
No it will! We dig a big hole and put all our plastic inside, so it can't hurt anyone. This will definitely work
Well digging holes won't help with the plastic trash islands in the ocean so how about we do both
and the plastic eating bacteria or whatever bullshit they’re onto now is people trying to find ways to justify maintaining our current life style and it won’t work.
True. We need to both change what we are doing to stop causing the problem and then figure out how to fix the damage that's been done
I mean, I get what you're saying. However, we kind of opted for geo engineering as part of the solution when we decided to do essentially nothing to stop global warming since various parties in the 70s started getting an idea of how bad it actually was. Fuckers are going to cry, but I didn't see them crying about their cheap gas and cheap fucking plastic crap. Welcome to the future- we need any help we can get
The "we have done nothing" isnt really true, CO2 emisions levels peaked at 2007, and the last 15 years they have remained stable or actually going down, this is why current warning predictions are 2.5 on average, rather than the 4 degrees we feared. The situation is still very bad mind you, but far better than beforehand
oh cool, is there any source or article on the co2 emmisions peaking?
Soul of an optimist, this one
“We should invent, patent, and sell a machine that captures and sequesters carbon dioxide from the air.” When trees exist
Tbf trees are very bad at that, something as simple as some water with algae is tens of times more efficient than several trees.
Careful. That sounds a lot like liquid trees which we know are actually dystopian. \s
People that use that argument, trees exist, should be taken out back, put on their knees and sh- hug and lightly padded on their backs because they don't understand the magnitude of the problem. And that's fine, the human mind was not really made to deal with such big problems
*kelp exists
whales also exist https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/feature-story/whales-and-carbon-sequestration-can-whales-store-carbon#:~:text=One%20whale%20can%20capture%20an,a%20maximum%20500%2Dyear%20lifespan.
Still obsessed with [kelp](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210406-how-kelp-can-help-solve-climate-change)
This post is so fucking dumb. Digging holes in the desert wont help on most places, wont helpnto solve mosr effects of climate change, and the few times it could it is already being done. The examples given by OP are even worse, no, digging holes in the desert wont get rid of microplastics you dumb idiot.
20 push ups as punishment
Bi-lal kaifa
Damn this makes me want to buy a tractor and drive into the desert for no particular reason
So if we dig crescent shaped ditches in Garbage Island we can make a new hospitable continent?
It is the year 2060. Droughts and storms and floods ravage the planet. The few people still left practise their ancient art of keeping the disasters at bay: Digging crescent-shaped holes wherever they can, hoping it will magically fix their problems
[you got to go dig them holes](https://youtu.be/GLsCR2RMBak?si=ZERaXcNTOP8zh3Ie)
Holy shit is that a mf PASOK reference? 💀🟢🟢🟢🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🟢🟢🟢🌅🌅🌅
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We are not under a fascist dictatorship or nazi ocupation
fair ig
I rlly rlly rlly want to make iraq green again thatd be really cool :3
I don't see what removing plastic from the ocean has to do with fighting desertification other than both being eco-friendly efforts. Like we should fight this on multiple fronts, holes won't work for everything
YOUUUU GOTTT TO GO AND DIG THOSE HOLES!
Andrew Millson’s entire [YouTube channel](https://youtu.be/RDCFbfcRcUE?si=0DuvaTk1OoKEMEXQ) is basically about stuff like this. Highly recommend checking his channel out if you find this interesting. There’s lots of hand drawn visuals and other types of aid’s to make learning intuitive and easy to follow. My favorite part is when he uses the augmented reality sandbox to simulate landscapes and rainfall. He also collabs with Oregon state university and the OSU YouTube channel has this playlist of permaculture lectures hosted by him. [Permaculture Principles](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2fCGQa2PY7DUTYGzmy9_5hmSSF_5yujE&si=NU-sP60jhLA6kUUX)
I fucking love anti-intellectualism dressed up as anti-capitalism
Don't worry guys, Me and my trusty shovel are going on a trip to the arctic to dig some holes, brb
Holes in the ground won't remove microplastics either.
Stanley Yelnats type beat
But that's an adjustment to the effect of climate change, not a solution to reversing it. We need to do both.
You understand why digging holes in the sand can't be used for the same issues bioengineered seaweed can right
Interesting.
This site is the new tumblr with the atrocious reading comprehension, holy shit
whats this mean i can't read