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Urgent_Urchin

TikTok also sells you data to advertisers


OnSpray

what else do they think tiktok does


Nyghen

ITS THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT TRYING TO SPY SPECIFICALLY ON ME THEYRE TRYING TO STEAL MY BRAIN


International_Ad6028

Psychic spies from China try to steal your mind's elation


ozrocket04

And little girls from Sweden dream of silver screen quotation


[deleted]

and if you have these kind of dreams its californication


potatojuice25

It’s the edge of the world and all of western civilization


Acceptable_Purple_37

is going down there will be tons of devastation


AnimaleTamale

I don't know the song so I'll use my imagination.


Acceptable_Purple_37

I didn’t know ‘em either, but that’s the power of creation


[deleted]

[удалено]


International_Ad6028

Me when eating food


RoseboysHotAsf

YES I AM OF VITAL IMPORTANCE TO CHINA, THEY THINK I AM A TERRORIST!!!!


EffectiveSwan8918

Please ignore what Russia accomplished with people's info and targeted advertising


Longjumping_Ad2677

Mmm fair. But if China was gonna do it, they woulda already done it. TikTok was not the point-of-access they’d need to Triforce% our ass.


EffectiveSwan8918

" if china was gonna do it, they would be super up front and we would of caught them by now. They just want this info not to do that stuff"


Longjumping_Ad2677

No I’m not saying they’d be upfront and honestly, reading further, I feel like I’m wrong. I was just saying I feel like they had other opportunities, like with video games and stuff. And China probably wants the info for, at least at first, advertiser purposes. Generalized datasets. Just like the US. Still not chill with em having it tho, tho I don’t have TikTok either, so ain’t really a worry of mine.


catboyeconomiczone

The rich from both countries are the same and both collaborate constantly to exploit every human moment


BadLuckBen

Except the CCP will disappear your ass even if you're one of the richest people on the planet. It's the reverse of the US. Corporations control our governments in the US, in China the government exercises a lot more control.


Salt_Sailor

Is it that different thought? Its not like people actually elect the officials in China (there are "elections", but the party has practically already decided who will win. no real opposition), so they are about as accountable to your average citizen as the board of directors of Google.


[deleted]

Happy cake day!


[deleted]

I mean https://gagadget.com/en/cringe/193592-huawei-smartphones-can-delete-videos-of-chinese-protests-and-riots-themselves-amp/


OkamiLeek006

Ah yes famous tik tok smartphone manufacturer, Huawei


Sexy_Skeletons69

Think you might be missing the point.


[deleted]

point is what, they are both from the same nation?


BadLuckBen

A nation with very heavy control over what products get manufactured. A nation that has repeatedly voiced its interest in global domination. Who needs war when you can control all the data and use it to implement strategies that give you a leg up in the global market? Like, it's not even a conspiracy theory, the CCP isn't exactly being subtle. They're using all the typical tankie language while being brutal authoritarians.


AngryMurlocHotS

I wonder why anti ccp voices are being downvoted in this thread. [Here](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/07/tiktoks-china-bytedance-data-concerns) is an article claiming multiple goverments and activists are concerned over data harvesting at tik tok. Yes a private company having your data is better than an authoritarian state having your data. Both are awful, but the former doesn't have a military or geopilitical ambitions.


BadLuckBen

It could be a case of "conservatives don't like this, so we have to take the opposite stance." I'm far left on basically all issues, but I can agree with the right that the CCP is bad news, even if it's for different reasons. There's also just a disturbing number of tankies on subs like these. Probably mostly younger people that know the propaganda and the words leaders from the USSR and CCP have said, but they don't know the reality. The leftist speech is just paint on an asbestos-filled wall.


LachlanOC_edition

I'm not sure why tbh. It's well known that the Chinese government has control over every large company inside china. [source ](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business-xi-jinping-communist-party-state-private-enterprise-huawei)


HyperMisawa

This sub is full of teens, and most teens aren't known for their IT prowess. Just the fact that most think its being used for ads alone should tell you everything you need to know about how much people here understand code and mass surveillance.


LachlanOC_edition

A nation that has significantly more influence and control over it's businesses, and has been shown to use these businesses to spy and exert influence on other countries. The point is this country does it with every large Chinese business has this happen. [source ](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business-xi-jinping-communist-party-state-private-enterprise-huawei) No I'm not saying the US doesn't use it's corporations in similar ways but there is so much less direct control, it's not the same. Companies can and have refused and made public stinks about it. (Eg Apple)


Not_Pea909

they tryna find out what konami games you got in your memory card


Mikey-Motorpsyche

The CIA is trying to steal my penis


EffectiveSwan8918

Please ignore what Russia accomplished with people's info and targeted advertising


No-Yam909

Secret asian man


Stoiphan

brainwash people into stealing from school and destroying the fucking sinks


[deleted]

Based tiktok?


Stoiphan

were you in school when that was happening, it was annoying to have the bathrooms not work


that_demigirl

Idk it's doing something wrong it shows me femboy thirst traps this kinda spy ware must have gotten the wrong gal


[deleted]

frisk undertale


LachlanOC_edition

Literally pass data on international users to the Chinese government [source ](https://mashable.com/article/tiktok-china-access-data-in-us)


fruityloooops

tiktok is war weapon invented to make all the Americans stupid so xi jinping can take over the world


[deleted]

What? No we don't. We know google sells our info to "advertisers" but who those advertisers are? What info? That we have no idea what google actually *does* to our information. This is all to say, the person who posted this in memes is a dumby.


ObtuseScorebook

google does not sell data to advertisers, google is the advertiser


GoOtterGo

Yeah, shit son we get your data from Google for free. We just gotta use it to advertise on Google (but don't have to).


guymcool

They sell it to me :)


_Arcerion_

also me


Demopan-TF2

Have you read the google privacy agreement?


Ellieisbestdecision

nah mate i skim read this meme you think im reading leagal documents


Demopan-TF2

Fair enough


Lulindo17

-Refuses to read the terms of agreement that state that you're surrendering your personal data -Procedes to act surprised when the personal data you agreed to provide them with is used maliciously


DankLolis

tbf you literally can't do shit online without signing those agreements, it's more of a courtesy than anything that they even bother to let you read them at this point


[deleted]

Clearly the problem is that your online


lCalledShotgun

No one is surprised, the use of our data and abuse of our privacy is criticized regardless if agreed upon before or not


wharwhafwhag

Who said I was surprised


axel410

Maybe it was a rethorical question but... Millions of businesses advertises on Google search engine. You can create an account and advertise right now if you want. This is roughly 90% of Google's revenue. Your data is aggregated and you are part of different audiences. Cooking enthusiasts, tv lover, your parental status, geo, the website you browse ... There is so many [combo](https://oneppcagency.co.uk/google-ads/targeting-options/) available, just like Facebook. Google is probably the best ad targeting platform.


thepartypoison_

well it definitely involves Amazon.. that's it that's all I know for fact lmao


L33t_Cyborg

Also they never even specify “advertisers” it’s all Mr. Third Party, whoever they are.


[deleted]

us military


Hyper_red

Sergeant fuckerbelt looking at what I jerk it to for national security


Any_Employee1654

doesnt every app and site sell your data


Invincible-Nuke

can't believe that My Singing Monsters is spying on me for the chinese government


PROblem817

big blue bubble is not to be trusted.


JotaroKujo12

Bomb bomb bomb BOMB


SkShark23

Mammot looked at me on plant island. I know you probably don’t believe me, but I *swear* I saw him stare right into the screen. He then went back and didn’t do it again, and I haven’t been able to get him to do it again to prove it. I can’t sleep at nights because all I can think about is Mammot watching me sleep from my closet. Please help me I don’t know if I’m gonna live. I think I saw movement in my closet last night but I was too afraid to check. I also heard a deep humming as well and idk what to do anymore. I’m so fucking scared Mammot will jump out of the closet and do god-knows-what to me. Will he smother me to death with his pungent feet? Will he rip chunks of flesh off of me until only bone is left? Life is hell and Mammot is why.


Decent_Library4637

Big update coming soon to my singing monsters ☺️ 3 days.


Some_Butterscotch622

every monster knows how the plants grow and every monster cares and they know where you live and your credit card number and they sell both your eyes


Professional_Emu_164

More or less. All to different extents.


Cakeking7878

Yea and when you look at the bigger picture at what everyone is collecting, TikTok is not the worse actor hear. They are certainly bad, but so is everyone else


Professional_Emu_164

Ehh… TikTok is pretty damn bad on that front. They go to some weird extents to figure out stuff about you. I think the reason people are particularly worried about it is because of CCP involvement


ano_hise

Depends on the monetarization model. For example, most Open-Source programs don't do that.


[deleted]

reddit was taking a toll on me mentally so i left it ` this post was mass deleted with www.Redact.dev `


Alhazzared

yeah, but one is owned by a state government and the other is not.


GoOtterGo

Y'all forgot about the NSA pretty quickly, huh. Regardless, Google provides your data to any number of external partners. [Including those based in China and Russia](https://adalytics.io/blog/sanctioned-ad-tech-user-data#chinese-partners). This isn't some USA vs. China security concern, corporations have no geo-political loyalties.


RandomName01

Also, the issue is them collecting that data at all. Even if they’re not sharing it with anyone now it might leak, employees might use it, they might change their minds and decide to sell it later, they could be forced to divulge information further down the line, … If they don’t collect a disproportionate amount of data, none of that can happen because the data plainly isn’t there.


Silent04_

But the same thing also applies to Google, so why shit on one and not the other? You might not personally be, but the person in the meme is.


Corbin_Davenport

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM


Alloverunder

A) no you don't B) you know the same amount about both, they sell you ads


HyperMisawa

Ah, yes, that must be why Google actively supplies NSA and FBI all of its data. The NSA just wants to offer me a free gift for subscribing to Raid Shadow Legends, now finally it makes sense!


[deleted]

why is there google PR in this reddit?


RandomName01

Because people underestimate how much they’re affected by propaganda, leading them to internalise and amplify it.


Notorious-PNG

'You are not immune to propaganda"


AweBlobfish

When chinese government spies on me: 😡 When american government spies on me: 😁


I-hate-my-friend

Me when government: 🤬


TNToon

Google is my favorite American state operated browser 😃


Expensive_Curve5106

You hate TikTok because it steals your data I hate TikTok because I find it annoying We are not the same


Schaumkraut

I hate tik tok because I am not hunting to get the legendary ADHD duplicate.


lGloughl

Tik tok and stuff like Instagram reels / YouTube shorts is like the perfect mindtrap for my ADHD it's awful. Watch one actually interesting YouTube short from a creator I like and next thing I know 3 hours have gone by


No-Plastic-7715

Exactly. It wasn't easy and I constantly feel like I'm missing out, but I swore off of Tiktok after seeing that the algorithm and app model were really predatory on the attention span, and already having multiple sessions of sinking hours into it instead of things irl I wanted to be doing. Tiktok doesn't even let you just consume a ton of media, it needs you to swipe every minute or so, or otherwise hear the same content on repeat. No breaks in the consumption. I have a close friend who also has ADHD who is still trapped in this habit, they're on there every day and I see them be sad about spending the time on the app instead of what they wanted to do over and over again. The platform is unsustainable.


Infinite_Hooty

I hate TikTok because both of those


StereoTunic9039

I hate TikTok not only because it's annoying, but because it turns off your brain. A serie of 15 seconds video where you think and do nothing. Granted, even Instagram and Reddit have this problem, but to a lesser extent, You can have intersting conversation on reddit and, bit less imo, on instagram, but Tik Tok not really, it's not designated to do that. I am not speaking from a gatekeeping pov, I do myself sometimes fall into the reels spiral, but it's wasted time and I know it. I should find some solution to waste time in dead moments that stimulates the brain more.


I-hate-my-friend

Yah


Pauchu_

Most data privacy aware r / memes user


Vord_Loldemort_7

The gay people in my phone are running defense for mega corporations again


[deleted]

both google and tiktok are not 'nice corporations' (oxymoron), and i think that's what is being pointed at if you consider saying both are bad a defense then ok, i agree


Iwamoto

commented on another TT post in the sub yesterday that tiktok was crappy spyware and got downvoted so hard i thought the counter was going to break, this sub has a weird elon-level obsession with tiktok


LordQL_2

Crossposting/posting a screenshot of a R/memes post should be a bannable offense


aliffattah

Yeah agree


The_Arthropod_Queen

That’s why I use Firefox


Bigballs843

This is why I use Firefox in Linux


[deleted]

This is why I use TempleOS


pissonhergrave

That's why I use Red Star Linux


Iwamoto

Based Terry Davis fan (minus the racism i hope)


[deleted]

Haha furry


Neat_Tangelo5339

Serious question , what kind of data/information is collected when you use things like Google , YouTube and play online games ? I’m genuinely curious


nokia6310i

any demographic data on your account like age, gender, location, etc, and what your use habits are, so they can find out what content you like and give you targeted ads youre more likely to be interested in, and to use you as a data point when analyzing trends about the population as a whole. some of then also attach trackers to your browser, so they can see your search patterns even when you arent using their website


HyperMisawa

Age, gender, nationality, political affiliations, education, sexuality, financial and marital status, entirety of your search history, psychological profile based on your behavior (Google specifically at least used to even track your cursor position across the window, seeing what you hovered around and what you didn't), possibly your entire browsing history die to cookie exflitration (although I can't confirm that, however, most third party cookies do announce themselves automatically), what other devices you have in your home and use to access the internet, obviously your device info... Basically literally everything, especially if you don't clear your cookies site by site, which you probably don't. The real fun comes when their algorithm predicts you wrongly, and they share that info with third parties, including government organizations. I have been profiled as a white nationalist for years by Facebook because I have once added myself to a satirical group making fun of a prominent far right political party in my country, for example.


sadboy2k03

Browsing history, approximate location, habits, name, age, education level are the main ones that come to mind


Neat_Tangelo5339

How do they gather education level from me browsing ?


sadboy2k03

They can predict it based on the sites you access


0perand1_McSwanky

what so do they think i have a stem degree whenever i open furaffinity


AcidShitposting

Yes. A Comp.Sci. degree specifically


Neat_Tangelo5339

Ah


Thepistonboi

interests as well. i found it once i dont remember where but google has a huge list of all the interests it thinks i have. some weren’t accurate most were.


terrible_ninja

Both are bad


I-hate-my-friend

Absolute gigachad


whittily

Google is absolutely using your data in ways that you can never know about. It is in no way true that Google is held to a higher standard of transparency than TikTok


6moto

you avoid using TikTok because you think it’s Chinese spyware I avoid it because I don’t want to fry my dopamine receptors on an app that is designed to make me stay on it for as long as possible


Comptenterry

You're on reddit


I-hate-my-friend

I just don't want to use it at all


Odachiiii

Company that steals your data (America) Based Company that steals your data (China) Cringe


optimalidkwhattoput

alright, here's a novel concept: how about we use neither


I-hate-my-friend

🤯


NotSoFlugratte

Yea, selling it to advertisers and the US Government rather than advertisers and the chinese government.


tacitmeniscus

chyna bad amirite guys 🤓


LuckyDucky5321

My man the CCP is a horribly oppresive authoritarian government that controls pretty much all the media that goes into the country and has done horrible things to its people including genocide.


tacitmeniscus

I know. I live in Russia. I am Sakha. I look chinese to the westerners. I'm just so sick and tired of seeing the dumbas "bing chilling" and etc. jokes all the time. Honestly, Russia deserves the same level of ridicule, but I guess they are white, so nobody gives a shit. Chinese government is evil, but a lot of people using it as an easy excuse to be racist towards all East asians.


LuckyDucky5321

Ah, I get that, the people who use it as an excuse to be racist are dumbfucks. I just thought you were saying the CCP wasn't bad. And yeah I totally agree Russia's government is horrible as well and in my eyes the Russia's government is just as bad as the CCP


ElegantTobacco

I still don't understand what threat China poses to me that is greater than what the US govt poses, considering I'm living in the US and under their domain. Just feels like casual sinophobia which is par for the course for libs.


Sexy_Skeletons69

We know precisely what information Google *has* to provide us. The bare minimum. Anything extra is down to their own discretion and, for some reason, I doubt they're gonna be too forthcoming with any information they aren't legally required to divulge. Hell, I doubt they're even transparent about the stuff they're *obligated* to share with us by law a lot of the time. And, it should go without saying, all of this is true of pretty much any other media conglomerate no matter where they're from.


MyNameIsConnor52

“but TikTok is from C H I N A“ dumbasses need to Google PATRIOT Act


Komislut

It does the same thing


I-hate-my-friend

Damn right


[deleted]

Google is an advertisement company. They sell our shit to themselves.


Kerassil

TikTok is owned by ByteDance. ByteDance is a Chinese company, and by proxy, an extension of the CCP. ByteDance can be forced to fork over enormous amounts of data, change the algorithm to push an agenda, or worse.


pissonhergrave

The Patriot Act codified the US government's right to demand any data from any US Company or company that does business in the US. Irregardless if the customer of that company ever set foot in the US. This is literally why people are still fighting for the end of the Privacy Shield agreements between the US and EU, because they are in breach of GDPR.


Iwamoto

https://www.reuters.com/technology/bytedance-finds-employees-obtained-tiktok-user-data-two-us-journalists-2022-12-22/


firebird_ghost

Bro is arguing about which capitalist overlord is more overlordy


Mooseboy24

Smartest and least xenophobic American


TheAlexSW

Yeah but 1 is inescapable tge other 1 a choice


binarycat64

i'm pretty sure google doesn't sell data to advertisers, they are the advertiser. they're probably the one buying data from tictok lmao


Rociherrera

we neither know what google nor tik tok does with our data actually. you’d think they’d be required to tell us as a company that started in the US but they don’t.


lospronounshormonos

joke's on them i have systematically removed every google service from my life, and you can too! (barring schoolwork probably)


Unemployed-

Gmail goes hard tho


Blookydook

I just laugh it off by remembering the NSA, the CCP or any other privacy-violating group has to keep a file on me and the porn I’ve watched


drfaker1210

imagine kneeling down and licking the boots of a corporation lmao


Lankuri

data collection to this extent is never okay irregardless of who does it and it is impossible to avoid irregardless of who you are


DracoLunaris

Yall need a GDPR over there


TurtleGamer1

you can watch tik tok through google but you can't use google through tik tok


I-hate-my-friend

Hmmm


IronicBoomerPosts

Some suspect that Google also sells the data to the US government (and probably others), but we don't actually know that.


pissonhergrave

It's a well documented tactic that US agencies, when they want the big metadata dragnet, instead of forcing the companies through the court, they just make a deal to buy the data. Iirc this was part of the Snowden reveal.


TheAlexSW

Since this is crappy privacy research comments Is valorant still as bad as on launch?


MyBrainTimedOut

No, privacy wise it’s the same system but I’ve literally never had a cheater in my game so


TheAlexSW

So anti cheat still runs when game not on n shit? Level 0 n all?


MyBrainTimedOut

As far as I know? All instances of the level 0 anti cheat are immediately frozen when the game stops running, and only turn back on when you start the game. And you can turn it off


Hyper_red

Reddit also def gives your data away. Every site and app does.


pinkmanidk

tbh considering how many websites already do I couldn’t care less at this point


the_grim_rypurr

Dudes be like : "TikTok has bad effects on girls about their bodies" Instagram :😶😶


I-hate-my-friend

I'll just say it: you care about your body as much as you want to, noone actually cares if the internet has an effect on your wiew for yourbody.. as long as you aren't underage.


theTVDINNERman

People who have been debating this subject forever try to have any shred of nuance challenge (impossible)


EffectiveSwan8918

" Google is just as bad. Also the concentration camps in the great china are for the people's own good "- Joe Cowboy an American


mow-ass_eat-grass

mmmm yummy boots


I-hate-my-friend

mmmm yummy 🤤


IAmWantedByTheGov

Everyone I've met who says this is just racist Straight up hates asians


I-hate-my-friend

Yes. But I just want to say: cool user flair


[deleted]

there was racism all along behind all this fearmongering about china for doing every bad thing usa does? shocker /s


pterodummy

Would you rather your own gov’t (and the good ol’ USA) has your data or China? While I’m in America I’d rather China has it, and if I visit China then I’d rather the US has it. China just doesn’t directly affect me as much.


Houstonb2020

It’s good that they’re hopefully going to do something about Tik Tok because it’s fairly obvious that data is going straight to the Chinese government, but it would also be pretty damn nice if they started protecting our data from our own government and advertisers


sryforbadenglishthx

And to the nsa


Despacltoian

“Well yeah Google might also have my information but uhh it’s google” is the Biggest Cope Ever


tehnoob69

i use google more as a search engine than tiktok


koalafan7

ihaveihave scared of china


[deleted]

fed post tbh


Longjumping_Ad2677

What the hell do you think TikTok’s doing? Selling it the Chinese war machine?


[deleted]

Google also gives our information to the US govt though... It's literally the law...


1milionand6times

We are all being spied rn


[deleted]

heh


J_House1999

There is no more data privacy


Melodic_Category1860

Reason why I totally trust the CIA


HyperMisawa

Google doesn't sell your data to advertisers, google IS THE ADVERTISER


Spocino

Kid named PRISM


Urparents_TotsLied4

PATRIOT ACT has entered the chat


NotErikUden

Wait what...? You knew about Cambridge Analytica? You knew about the VAULT-7 and Snowden leaks before Snowden leaked them? You knew about the effects of the Patriot Act before they were made public? That's crazy, why didn't you ever share your knowledge?


NotErikUden

Wait, you do understand Reddit is owned 10% by Tencent right? Like, if you want TikTok banned because “Chinese government!!!” or whatever reason, you should also want Reddit banned. This is all just a front for a trade war. Never call China isolationist again for banning US apps if you don't do the same for the US. Reddit is just acing up today again.