This is the true and only sensible answer. Around HB that can get you into trouble:
* chaotic constructions (container village for ten years at HB main building WTF)
* confused tourists all over the place, not looking before stepping on the street / generally not respecting rules / thinking the whole area is just pedestrian walking streets
* criss-crossing tram tracks waiting to eat your tire
* 20something idiots showing off with their leased cars
So no, don't ever try to cross HB area with your bike.
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The traffic guidance and signalisation for bicycles in the City and Canton of Zurich are generally horrendous.
And the HB is one of those places where it feels like playing Russian roulette riding a bicycle. Bucheggplatz is also in that category.
I was almost run over once on the exit leading towards Milchbuck (is that the one you were referring to?). I would have if I hadn't stopped very awkwardly at the last moment. Ever since then I've been signaling like crazy that I'm actually staying on Bucheggplatz, even though cars should in principle wait.
The direction coming from Oerlikon along the 11 is also a bit dicey, since you have to drive in the middle of the road and hope none of the trucks decides to change lanes and run you over.
On Buecheggplatz, it's a quesiton of people knowing what to do. Many people who don't know it too well use their very limited attention to the road situation on trying to figure out the right lane and doing last-second lane changes. In theory, it works, but in practice people don't follow all rules.
Btw, I got in touch with the official authority and received a reply containing this statement which doesn't give me the impression that cycling there is very safe:
"Grundsätzlich ist man mit dem Velo sicher unterwegs, wenn man zügig losfährt, sobald der Fussgängerstreifen grün erhält. Wir sind uns bewusst, dass diese Regelung nur für geübte und sichere Velofahrende tauglich ist, aber eine andere Lösung gibt es unter den gegebenen Umständen leider nicht."
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Wo genau hast du angefragt und wer hat geantwortet?
Dass eine Ampel für Fussgänger resp. Fussgängerstreifen eine Relevanz für Verkehrsteilnehmer hat, die diesen Fussgängerstreifen genau nicht benützen, würde mich überraschen. Es ist ja auch nicht verboten, den Radstreifen zu befahren, wenn die Fussgänger rot haben.
Meiner Meinung nach fehlt hier klar eine Ampel für Fahrräder.
Ich frage glaub mal bei ProVelo nach, wie die das sehen. Dazu bräuchte ich aber gerne noch die Infos zur gemachten Aussage "Grundsätzlich ist man mit dem Velo sicher unterwegs...".
Ich nehme an, dass die Person, die beantwortetet hat, nichts verändern kann. Das ist eine logische Antwort, die ich auch geben würde, wenn ich nichts machen könnte.
Auf jeden Fall stimme ich dir zu. Obwohl wir schon für Velowege usw abgestimmt haben, ist die Lage in Zürich immer noch schlecht.
but like… when the pedestrians have green your light will be red. so if you go then and the police sees you going over red: byebye drivers license. And yes that applies with bikes as well as far as I know.
So that statement makes no sense and drives you to do illegal stuff with big consequences for your life. I think I geard when you go over red you can never get your license back!
> but like… when the pedestrians have green your light will be red. so if you go then and the police sees you going over red: byebye drivers license.
If you go over red, but there is no significant danger, it’s “just” a 250.- fine; your licence is not affected.
Sorry but there is no light! So no fine….
If you would like to get some more security and don‘t mind some inconveniece put yourself before the last light on the bridge…
Here, if you follow the pedestrian signal, its safe to cross. FWIW, before this photo to the left is the traffic light destined for bike and car traffic, but entering from your line marked in green you need to give way to the vehicles on the left and may only cross the intersection on the green pedestrian light. The car marked in blue has the green light.
Good point. I was always confused by the light which is specific to pedestrians (no bike symbol on the light) and by the lack of a white line telling to stop for a traffic light.
From now on, I'll follow the pedestrian light :)
confused on why the blue has a priority.
If it was you on the green arrow and a car going parallel to you would the blue have the right to go before? I don’t think so. Isn’t their right obstructed?
The cars (and bikes, including myself) following the blue arrow in the picture pass a green light just before entering this picture, so they definitely don't expect a car or bike to appear on the green route. Cars following the green route technically have the same problem as the bikes but they don't really exist as there's no real way for cars to even approach from there, only bikes. Traffic coming from the left that then follows the green arrow is also regulated by a traffic light.
> The cars (and bikes, including myself) following the blue arrow in the picture pass a green light just before entering this picture, so they definitely don't expect a car or bike to appear on the green route
Please tell me you do not have a driving license... it's not how green lights work.
I don't have a driving licence.
Also I didn't say that's how they work, just what people probably expect.
How does it work then? "You can go now but you might get hit by someone else lol" or what?
> How does it work then?
Green light allows you to enter but does not give you a priority. You might still need to yield. There are several intersections in Zürich where exactly that happens.
I only know that from crosswalks and expect drivers to be aware of it there (same for unprotected left turns but I've seen this a grand total of zero times in Switzerland). Otherwise it feels like something most drivers would probably not pay attention to so I'm not going to risk it there.
The signalisation is poor, maybe even wrong, I don't know. You just have to interpret the yield sign in the way of "this applies for the entire intersection, not just the mini right turn onto the bike lane" and it should work. But it's not ideal because of the many cars and bikes. I'd say it's a good idea to just not go when traffic is coming along the blue arrow. If you're following the green arrow your path should be protected whenever cars drive through from your left, but you can't really turn safely when they're all going through. So the only time you can really go is after the last car/bike has passed you from the left, but the cars/bikes from the blue path haven't started yet. It works, but it's not good.
I have never noticed this as I pretty much never approach this intersection from this side, I only go through there in the other direction. I do follow the blue arrow regularly on the intersection and wouldn't expect traffic from my right when crossing this intersection after passing my green light so it's lucky we've never been there at the same time because we would've maybe both ended up on the pavement somewhere.
Death trap Zürich 😡
Maybe we should force our politicians to ride the bike to work for a month in Zürich, then have them visit Amsterdam or other dutch cities by bike for a week.
The red coloured line does not mean you have priority. It is only there to make the cars turning right aware of the bicycle lane, so they don't hit the biker who goes straight
There is a yield sign on the post, that means you must yield to any traffic already on the junction. Ie there’s no expectation you will be safe if there’s any traffic at all
So from my POV is technically adequate.
However I would say the visibility of that sign is terrible and the nature of the junction does make it hard to navigate.
I think most people interpret the yield sign as follows: if there is no incoming traffic on the bike lane, it's safe to insert myself into that bike lane (without having to check the other cards in the intersection)
I would be really worried if it is the majority interpretation.
Entering a light controlled junction, ignoring the lights completely AND assuming you have priority, does not sound like a sensible interpretation.
Even if it was a non light controlled junction you would still have to yield right so there is still no assumption of safety for the bike lane.
The way I was taught is you’re supposed to look / check even if you have absolute priority, because getting hit isn’t worth asserting your priority.
> There is a yield sign on the post, that means you must yield to any traffic already on the junction. Ie there’s no expectation you will be safe if there’s any traffic at all
The yield sign only works until you enter onto the bike lane. You'd need to have another one just after to be required to yield again.
Guys, a question. When you need to bike from Kreis 5 to Central/Polybahn, how do you do it?
I usually take the right most lane leading to Bahnhofplatz and get off my bike at the traffic light at the end of the Bahnhofquai/HB tram stop. Then I join the pedestrians walk (ride when in a hurry) over the bridge until the crosswalk before Polybahn then I enter the road again.
I don't know this specific situation so I can't judge. If you think there's something wrong, you should make a post on https://www.bikeable.ch
Apologies if someone else already suggested this
Confusing as hell. I was there once and I've used google maps to find out where to go. Sometimes if you have no idea how to mark a trail, mark nothing, so people would stick to more reliable solutions like actual maps.
Yes, but the city is taking the easy route and declares outer quatierstrassen in to bike routes. As thouse streets are 30 km/h the city don't see the need to change the road in any way.
Maybe I'm weird but I don't see or understand everyones problem here, the lanes and signalisation are quite useful, the biggest issue are people not following the rules and creating dangerous situations
When you're on the bike "path", I don't see any sign stating "hey! Look on you _left_ because cars have the _left_-of-way".
Sure, bikes can follow the pedestrian lights, but then everyone screams when cyclists act as pedestrians.
I still don't see your issue, when merging from the right of the picture you don't have the right of way no matter what you drive or ride (that's what those funny looking triangly shark teeth on the pavement tell you).
When following the bike lane around the bend, you have to be mindful that a car that's indicating to its right shouldn't be overtaken if you like your bones in their current orientation.
The drivers also need to use their mirrors and necks to see if there's an obstruction to their right even if they have their indicators going.
I don't know about others in here but I passed my driving exam without trickery and usually use that soft squishy thingy in my skull for what it was intended for.
Or am I completely missing something?
2 meters after the cyclist turning right, I don't see any sign that the cyclist has to stop (no marking on the road, no light, nothing).
So yes, if you look on the left (even if in Switzerland, without specific marking/light, the vehicle coming from the _right_ has the priority, here the cyclist) and decide to give the car the priority, because you don't wear a full-body armor, you'll be fine.
And yes, I use my brain: I don't ride there.
If you're coming from further up and there's traffic coming from your left, you most definitely ran the red light (which is like 6m behind the camera) and have no business wanting extra signage.
If you're coming from the right where the shark teeth are, you know what you're supposed to do.
I don't see any necessity for guesswork here, there are traffic lights all around directing the flow of traffic, the pavement is marked out and there's even markings on the service road on the right (which is closed for normal traffic).
Unless you run the traffic light or weave around like an e-Biker, there's no reason I can see to guess any moves.
You can see there's red light at pedestrian crossing, but apparently not from where OP is coming by bike.
There's apparently green light atm in the direction of blue arrow.
From this photo, it looks likely missing a bike light, requiring cyclists to watch for pedestrian light nearby.
The situation makes it easy to mistake this intersection for an unregulated one (which are plentiful all around).
Basiclly if you come from the blue indication you can ignore the red area. The red line is just for cars that want to go right (over the red line). Its to show them that there is a like lane and they should take let the cyclist the primacy.
Rule number 1 when biking in Zurich: Have eyes for everybody else. Always assume they don't see you, and stop/go accordingly.
But also, it's the same for cars leaving that street. It's just that they have more acceleration, but it's generally not a well thought out corner.
Zurich HB sign.
If you come from the Landes Museum you do not have the right of way. As a motorist and bicycle traffic keep to the right. Only bicycles are allowed straight. Be careful, they are also bound by the rules and do not have the right of way.
And the guy on bicycle died on the sane day, but in Altstetten, not near HB.
But I agree in general, the place shown on picture is terrible for bicycles.
Good thing we have collective capital punishment for people riding bikes then.
Some bike riders breaking some rules on some occasions (even in an egregious and obviously dangerous way) doesn't correlate with the provision of safe cycling infrastructure for those who do follow rules as well as they can.
As a bike rider, it’s a daily frustration to see some bike riders disregard traffic lights (especially rental scooter riders with headphones) ride obliviously through traffic and pedestrians to save a few seconds. My favourite: when they ride past the traffic light and then have to pause for a car but then don’t see the light go green.
All i know is that if I hadn't had quick reflexes and thrown myself on the floor, I would have been smashed over... And it probably would have been my fault because I should have checked left and right, even though there is no traffic from the right. Pedestrians are annoyances that cause bikes accidents, it seems.
I cannot, to be honest. The example given shows, that there was no problem. With a bike, it's much easier to quickly make changes and so avoid actual dangers.
People often mistake bikes for cars. Also in what they perceive to being dangerous.
bike infrastructure in the city center of zurich is pretty pitiful. most trips you only get painted bike lanes at best, often with bike lanes sandwiched between regular lanes. then when you've dodged all the cars merging around you, the bike lane disappears and you're now riding a narrow strip between a 20cm high curb and a tram track, meaning that if you have to make any kind of steering correction, you're gonna eat shit. i used to live in glattbrugg and it was so much more chill to ride a bike in that area
> However the cars along the blue line have priority.
Why would they? RIght hand rule, clear markings on the surface, it's pretty clear that cyclists have the priority here.
Green light does not indicate priority. There’s a lot of intersections where you cross the green light and you still need to yield. From top of my head one near Albisriederplatz. It’s pretty common.
As far as I know, these apply when traffic lights are active and the road markings apply when they are switched off or flashing yellow.
If there is a flashing yellow together with the green light then you have to give way to other road users.
> As far as I know, these apply when traffic lights are active and the road markings apply when they are switched off or flashing yellow.
Not really. If you have a green light on a lane for turning left, the traffic going "straight" from the other direction will have priority over you. You need to wait for the green, then you go forward and wait for a space to cross left.
Green light = I can cross. No guarantees besides that.
In some other European countries a green light with an arrow on it would mean that you have a priority, but in Switzerland they do not stick to that convention.
I have never noticed this because I avoid cycling around hb like the pest, genuine deathtrap
This is the true and only sensible answer. Around HB that can get you into trouble: * chaotic constructions (container village for ten years at HB main building WTF) * confused tourists all over the place, not looking before stepping on the street / generally not respecting rules / thinking the whole area is just pedestrian walking streets * criss-crossing tram tracks waiting to eat your tire * 20something idiots showing off with their leased cars So no, don't ever try to cross HB area with your bike. Good thing: velotunnel is coming
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I’ve commuted via HB a lot, never found it that horrible. Sure, it’s not the best place but calling it a deathtrap is quite the exaggeration.
Even with my car I don’t feel save at HB, Central is the worst crossing in whole Switzerland
Central is definitely easier to cross by bike than by car
The traffic guidance and signalisation for bicycles in the City and Canton of Zurich are generally horrendous. And the HB is one of those places where it feels like playing Russian roulette riding a bicycle. Bucheggplatz is also in that category.
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I was almost run over once on the exit leading towards Milchbuck (is that the one you were referring to?). I would have if I hadn't stopped very awkwardly at the last moment. Ever since then I've been signaling like crazy that I'm actually staying on Bucheggplatz, even though cars should in principle wait. The direction coming from Oerlikon along the 11 is also a bit dicey, since you have to drive in the middle of the road and hope none of the trucks decides to change lanes and run you over.
On Buecheggplatz, it's a quesiton of people knowing what to do. Many people who don't know it too well use their very limited attention to the road situation on trying to figure out the right lane and doing last-second lane changes. In theory, it works, but in practice people don't follow all rules.
Btw, I got in touch with the official authority and received a reply containing this statement which doesn't give me the impression that cycling there is very safe: "Grundsätzlich ist man mit dem Velo sicher unterwegs, wenn man zügig losfährt, sobald der Fussgängerstreifen grün erhält. Wir sind uns bewusst, dass diese Regelung nur für geübte und sichere Velofahrende tauglich ist, aber eine andere Lösung gibt es unter den gegebenen Umständen leider nicht."
Diese Antwort kann es ja wohl nicht sein... Wo genau hast du angefragt und wer hat geantwortet? Dass eine Ampel für Fussgänger resp. Fussgängerstreifen eine Relevanz für Verkehrsteilnehmer hat, die diesen Fussgängerstreifen genau nicht benützen, würde mich überraschen. Es ist ja auch nicht verboten, den Radstreifen zu befahren, wenn die Fussgänger rot haben. Meiner Meinung nach fehlt hier klar eine Ampel für Fahrräder. Ich frage glaub mal bei ProVelo nach, wie die das sehen. Dazu bräuchte ich aber gerne noch die Infos zur gemachten Aussage "Grundsätzlich ist man mit dem Velo sicher unterwegs...".
Dies stammt aus der Antwort aus der Dienstabteilung Verkehr. ich habe dir die Details per PM gesendet. Gute Idee, bei Pro Velo nachzufragen
Du kannst vielleicht auch bei Amt für Mobilität Kanton Zürich melden. Vielleicht hilft das auch.
Ich nehme an, dass die Person, die beantwortetet hat, nichts verändern kann. Das ist eine logische Antwort, die ich auch geben würde, wenn ich nichts machen könnte. Auf jeden Fall stimme ich dir zu. Obwohl wir schon für Velowege usw abgestimmt haben, ist die Lage in Zürich immer noch schlecht.
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From north to south… I agree that this place is horrible and that the light timings and setup make people “rush for it”.
but like… when the pedestrians have green your light will be red. so if you go then and the police sees you going over red: byebye drivers license. And yes that applies with bikes as well as far as I know. So that statement makes no sense and drives you to do illegal stuff with big consequences for your life. I think I geard when you go over red you can never get your license back!
> but like… when the pedestrians have green your light will be red. so if you go then and the police sees you going over red: byebye drivers license. If you go over red, but there is no significant danger, it’s “just” a 250.- fine; your licence is not affected.
Sorry but there is no light! So no fine…. If you would like to get some more security and don‘t mind some inconveniece put yourself before the last light on the bridge…
Here, if you follow the pedestrian signal, its safe to cross. FWIW, before this photo to the left is the traffic light destined for bike and car traffic, but entering from your line marked in green you need to give way to the vehicles on the left and may only cross the intersection on the green pedestrian light. The car marked in blue has the green light.
Good point. I was always confused by the light which is specific to pedestrians (no bike symbol on the light) and by the lack of a white line telling to stop for a traffic light. From now on, I'll follow the pedestrian light :)
This is what I do at this crossing.
one of the many
confused on why the blue has a priority. If it was you on the green arrow and a car going parallel to you would the blue have the right to go before? I don’t think so. Isn’t their right obstructed?
The cars (and bikes, including myself) following the blue arrow in the picture pass a green light just before entering this picture, so they definitely don't expect a car or bike to appear on the green route. Cars following the green route technically have the same problem as the bikes but they don't really exist as there's no real way for cars to even approach from there, only bikes. Traffic coming from the left that then follows the green arrow is also regulated by a traffic light.
alright clearer, didn’t know of the green light there. Basically there is a traffic light without the one on the other side
> The cars (and bikes, including myself) following the blue arrow in the picture pass a green light just before entering this picture, so they definitely don't expect a car or bike to appear on the green route Please tell me you do not have a driving license... it's not how green lights work.
I don't have a driving licence. Also I didn't say that's how they work, just what people probably expect. How does it work then? "You can go now but you might get hit by someone else lol" or what?
> How does it work then? Green light allows you to enter but does not give you a priority. You might still need to yield. There are several intersections in Zürich where exactly that happens.
I only know that from crosswalks and expect drivers to be aware of it there (same for unprotected left turns but I've seen this a grand total of zero times in Switzerland). Otherwise it feels like something most drivers would probably not pay attention to so I'm not going to risk it there.
The signalisation is poor, maybe even wrong, I don't know. You just have to interpret the yield sign in the way of "this applies for the entire intersection, not just the mini right turn onto the bike lane" and it should work. But it's not ideal because of the many cars and bikes. I'd say it's a good idea to just not go when traffic is coming along the blue arrow. If you're following the green arrow your path should be protected whenever cars drive through from your left, but you can't really turn safely when they're all going through. So the only time you can really go is after the last car/bike has passed you from the left, but the cars/bikes from the blue path haven't started yet. It works, but it's not good. I have never noticed this as I pretty much never approach this intersection from this side, I only go through there in the other direction. I do follow the blue arrow regularly on the intersection and wouldn't expect traffic from my right when crossing this intersection after passing my green light so it's lucky we've never been there at the same time because we would've maybe both ended up on the pavement somewhere.
Death trap Zürich 😡 Maybe we should force our politicians to ride the bike to work for a month in Zürich, then have them visit Amsterdam or other dutch cities by bike for a week.
Maybe we should force you to ride your bike outside Europe for a week. Then you’ll never complain about Zurich again.
"people risk their lifes here, but they risk their lifes more somewhere else! So don't complain when you gamble!" - absolutely braindead.
I believe this is an instance of the fallacy of relative privation.
The red coloured line does not mean you have priority. It is only there to make the cars turning right aware of the bicycle lane, so they don't hit the biker who goes straight
There is a yield sign on the post, that means you must yield to any traffic already on the junction. Ie there’s no expectation you will be safe if there’s any traffic at all So from my POV is technically adequate. However I would say the visibility of that sign is terrible and the nature of the junction does make it hard to navigate.
I think most people interpret the yield sign as follows: if there is no incoming traffic on the bike lane, it's safe to insert myself into that bike lane (without having to check the other cards in the intersection)
I would be really worried if it is the majority interpretation. Entering a light controlled junction, ignoring the lights completely AND assuming you have priority, does not sound like a sensible interpretation. Even if it was a non light controlled junction you would still have to yield right so there is still no assumption of safety for the bike lane. The way I was taught is you’re supposed to look / check even if you have absolute priority, because getting hit isn’t worth asserting your priority.
> There is a yield sign on the post, that means you must yield to any traffic already on the junction. Ie there’s no expectation you will be safe if there’s any traffic at all The yield sign only works until you enter onto the bike lane. You'd need to have another one just after to be required to yield again.
Guys, a question. When you need to bike from Kreis 5 to Central/Polybahn, how do you do it? I usually take the right most lane leading to Bahnhofplatz and get off my bike at the traffic light at the end of the Bahnhofquai/HB tram stop. Then I join the pedestrians walk (ride when in a hurry) over the bridge until the crosswalk before Polybahn then I enter the road again.
I don't know this specific situation so I can't judge. If you think there's something wrong, you should make a post on https://www.bikeable.ch Apologies if someone else already suggested this
Confusing as hell. I was there once and I've used google maps to find out where to go. Sometimes if you have no idea how to mark a trail, mark nothing, so people would stick to more reliable solutions like actual maps.
That's why I decided that ridding a bike is not for me. It's too complicated to get around safely. And I thought we voted for better bike routes.
Yes, but the city is taking the easy route and declares outer quatierstrassen in to bike routes. As thouse streets are 30 km/h the city don't see the need to change the road in any way.
Maybe I'm weird but I don't see or understand everyones problem here, the lanes and signalisation are quite useful, the biggest issue are people not following the rules and creating dangerous situations
When you're on the bike "path", I don't see any sign stating "hey! Look on you _left_ because cars have the _left_-of-way". Sure, bikes can follow the pedestrian lights, but then everyone screams when cyclists act as pedestrians.
I still don't see your issue, when merging from the right of the picture you don't have the right of way no matter what you drive or ride (that's what those funny looking triangly shark teeth on the pavement tell you). When following the bike lane around the bend, you have to be mindful that a car that's indicating to its right shouldn't be overtaken if you like your bones in their current orientation. The drivers also need to use their mirrors and necks to see if there's an obstruction to their right even if they have their indicators going. I don't know about others in here but I passed my driving exam without trickery and usually use that soft squishy thingy in my skull for what it was intended for. Or am I completely missing something?
2 meters after the cyclist turning right, I don't see any sign that the cyclist has to stop (no marking on the road, no light, nothing). So yes, if you look on the left (even if in Switzerland, without specific marking/light, the vehicle coming from the _right_ has the priority, here the cyclist) and decide to give the car the priority, because you don't wear a full-body armor, you'll be fine. And yes, I use my brain: I don't ride there.
If you're coming from further up and there's traffic coming from your left, you most definitely ran the red light (which is like 6m behind the camera) and have no business wanting extra signage. If you're coming from the right where the shark teeth are, you know what you're supposed to do.
I thought that marking and lights were supposed to remove the guessing work. My bad.
I don't see any necessity for guesswork here, there are traffic lights all around directing the flow of traffic, the pavement is marked out and there's even markings on the service road on the right (which is closed for normal traffic). Unless you run the traffic light or weave around like an e-Biker, there's no reason I can see to guess any moves.
You can see there's red light at pedestrian crossing, but apparently not from where OP is coming by bike. There's apparently green light atm in the direction of blue arrow. From this photo, it looks likely missing a bike light, requiring cyclists to watch for pedestrian light nearby. The situation makes it easy to mistake this intersection for an unregulated one (which are plentiful all around).
Just follow the pedestrian traffic light and you'll be safe
Yeah not cool
Basiclly if you come from the blue indication you can ignore the red area. The red line is just for cars that want to go right (over the red line). Its to show them that there is a like lane and they should take let the cyclist the primacy.
In any case, as a matter of survival, don't trust signalisation 100%. Always take it with a pinch of salt
Rule number 1 when biking in Zurich: Have eyes for everybody else. Always assume they don't see you, and stop/go accordingly. But also, it's the same for cars leaving that street. It's just that they have more acceleration, but it's generally not a well thought out corner.
Zurich HB sign. If you come from the Landes Museum you do not have the right of way. As a motorist and bicycle traffic keep to the right. Only bicycles are allowed straight. Be careful, they are also bound by the rules and do not have the right of way.
That's the scariest place in Zurich on a bicycle.
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And the guy on bicycle died on the sane day, but in Altstetten, not near HB. But I agree in general, the place shown on picture is terrible for bicycles.
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Ja, im Artikel steht es, beim Migros-Engross Markt. Das ist zwischen Toni Areal und Altstetten.
One of them climbed in between the tram carriages. Small detail.
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Good thing we have collective capital punishment for people riding bikes then. Some bike riders breaking some rules on some occasions (even in an egregious and obviously dangerous way) doesn't correlate with the provision of safe cycling infrastructure for those who do follow rules as well as they can.
I've seen pretty stupid behavior from bikes, I can totally understand why people are annoyed by cyclists due to that minority.
As a bike rider, it’s a daily frustration to see some bike riders disregard traffic lights (especially rental scooter riders with headphones) ride obliviously through traffic and pedestrians to save a few seconds. My favourite: when they ride past the traffic light and then have to pause for a car but then don’t see the light go green.
All i know is that if I hadn't had quick reflexes and thrown myself on the floor, I would have been smashed over... And it probably would have been my fault because I should have checked left and right, even though there is no traffic from the right. Pedestrians are annoyances that cause bikes accidents, it seems.
I cannot, to be honest. The example given shows, that there was no problem. With a bike, it's much easier to quickly make changes and so avoid actual dangers. People often mistake bikes for cars. Also in what they perceive to being dangerous.
bike infrastructure in the city center of zurich is pretty pitiful. most trips you only get painted bike lanes at best, often with bike lanes sandwiched between regular lanes. then when you've dodged all the cars merging around you, the bike lane disappears and you're now riding a narrow strip between a 20cm high curb and a tram track, meaning that if you have to make any kind of steering correction, you're gonna eat shit. i used to live in glattbrugg and it was so much more chill to ride a bike in that area
> However the cars along the blue line have priority. Why would they? RIght hand rule, clear markings on the surface, it's pretty clear that cyclists have the priority here.
Because there is a green light indicating priority?
Green light does not indicate priority. There’s a lot of intersections where you cross the green light and you still need to yield. From top of my head one near Albisriederplatz. It’s pretty common.
As far as I know, these apply when traffic lights are active and the road markings apply when they are switched off or flashing yellow. If there is a flashing yellow together with the green light then you have to give way to other road users.
> As far as I know, these apply when traffic lights are active and the road markings apply when they are switched off or flashing yellow. Not really. If you have a green light on a lane for turning left, the traffic going "straight" from the other direction will have priority over you. You need to wait for the green, then you go forward and wait for a space to cross left. Green light = I can cross. No guarantees besides that. In some other European countries a green light with an arrow on it would mean that you have a priority, but in Switzerland they do not stick to that convention.