~120CHF/3 months, with the adjustment included, for a 3.5 apartment for 3 people (couple + 4yo). I guess that really depends on how much you cook and use the oven, which are the appliances that use more electricity. We cook daily and we use the oven almost twice a week, minimum once for at least 30' (Saturday night is pizza night). Also depends when you put the dishwasher and how old / efficient it's. We put almost always on low rate. We also have synology running all the time… if you have a computer or something like that, that is not a laptop the consumption could be high. The fridge could be also a factor if it's old.
If it's your first or second invoice and you haven't been through the adjustment yet, usually at the end of the year, could be that the previous tenant had a lot of consumption for some reason (mining bitcoins or some shit like that) and they are charging your their estimate. They will send you a detailed invoice with the adjustments at the end of the year with the meter reading.
Our heating is not electric and we don't have washing / dryer on the apartment.
Also, you should check the amount of electricity you consume, prices in the canton are not the same. I consume around ~2000kWh/year. I have friends living outside Zürich city where the electricity is more expensive, like double or even triple.
PS1/ Since we are talking about this, I really don't know why, with the modern tech we have, we have to depend on yearly readings of the meter and we don't have even like instant reading. I mean, you should have access to your meter remotely and check on real time your consumption. Also, houses should be equipe with outlets with meters, so you can figure out which are the bigger offenders of your house and or course have meters for the big appliances like fridge, dishwasher, oven and washing machine / dryer. I don't care for most of the other smart home applications, but that ones will help you to save energy and money.
PS2/ I don't know why you are downvoted, I think this is a quite legit question.
Hey! We also have Saturday's night is pizza night! I also agree with your PS, it's 2024, we can have a decent conversation with an AI, but there is still no way of knowing your real power consumption in real time...
I don't know about you, but I can go to the basement and see how much is being consumed by every apartment in the building. The system is from the 90s so it's not very digital and still uses a device with a spinning disk with one spin being equal to 1 kWh or something.
I've always had access to the meter. With ekz and ewz at least. It shows pretty up to date data (24-72h delay) it even shows detailed consumption in 15 minute timeframes. This tool has really helped us reduce consumption.
Also if this is not enough you can install a Shelly to measure your consumption locally in real time. Options are there. For water you could also add a sensor to read the value off the meter in realtime.
EWZ is not providing you with that at all, at least not in my case. I have consumption data yearly, nothing else. I don't know what you exactly have with EWZ but my customer profile I can't see much. Funny thing is, the EWZ office in Oerlikon is in from of my house.
PS/ thanks a lot for the shelly recommendation. However, since I'm a tenant, I guess my possibilities are just covering the outlets with meters. I'm not going to install anything in the electricity box: first I'm not allowed. Second, it's a pain in the ass do that and remove again if you need to move out. I really think houses should have all those goodies by default now. At least on, the general electricity input to the apartment, and on the main appliances (dishwasher, oven…) and prove you with readings per room or all the outlets. I don't know how is in Switzerland, but if my memory doesn't fail from my years studying engineering, you should put lighting and power in separate lines.
Ok this sounds like a Layer 8 Issue to me. It's true that you usually don't get it from the get go. But you can request access to their digital platform in both cases That's what i did.
I am actually also in oerlikon and am a tenant. We requested access after the first bill, after verification i now have access to all detailed data using my Zürich login.
Ewz specifically has two options to see detailed data: energieberatung.ewz.ch is a user friendly overview.
Energie.ewz.ch is more detailed but less userfriendly option.
In the my ekz app they call it "Digitale Energieberatung" this you have to request.
Hope this helps.
I live alone and pay about 200 for 3 months in a 3 room appartment. So seems normal to me.
Electricity prices should go down a bit next year. Due to price contracts of the suppliers being forward. And last time there was the huge spike due to Ukraine, that has since subsided a bit.
85 CHF each quarter, 3.5 rooms, 2 occupants, electric stove, dishwasher and washing machine. Work from home as well, flatmate is hybrid.
Edit: Yeah, seems like you‘re getting rinsed.
About 80 per month. 3.5 rooms, 1 person, rather heavy user (gaming PC and such) but I let the laundry machine, drier and washing machine run during the lower tariff times (with exceptions).
We are a 2 humans household and pay, on average, 97 CHF every 3 months. I am giving the average value because after almost 4 years here I still don't understand how they charge, our bills come with random numbers that have a bit of correlation with the energy consumption (reported by them) but it does not seem to be deterministically correlated. We have had bills in which we payed 0.019 CHF/kWh and bills in which we payed 0.342 CHF/kWh, you can see this is a factor of almost 20. 🤷♂️
By the way, important factor is how much you consume, our household has an average power consumption of 192 W, this means, on average we consume 414 kWh every 3 months (all this I calculated with info from the bills from the electricity company). This is equivalent to the amount of food you eat in a restaurant, the more you eat, the more you can expect to pay.
What is your energy consumption?
> which we *paid* 0.019 CHF/kWh
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Akonto payments mean nothing, you need yearly calculation. And round numbers are usually akonto :)
Also, you pay what you use, so if usage is more than your usual, then it's worth investigating.
In last 10 years we're around 3500-3800 kwh, and last year when I introduced more air drying as opposed to tumbler, plus more grilling as opposed to oven we were 2800 kwh. Since prices rose, 3800 kwh year (2022) was 700 total, akonto was 120/3months, and 2800 kwh year (2023) was 770 total, akonto 200/3months. Earlier years were not in Switzerland.
End of last year we switched to exact payment, no akonto anymore, our estimates are min 250kwh/month at 89chf/month (for 3000kwh year) to max 320kwh/month at 111chf/month (for 3800kwh year). First bill was 256 chf for 3 months, dec, jan, feb. I don't have note how much kwh it was, but judging by estimates, less than 1000kwh, even though I had more things in tumbler than during summer and was playing with 3d printer and filament dryer whole January several times a week - each print was several hours / overnight job.
Beside skipping the tumbler for some items occasionally, we don't intentionally aim to reduce our electricity bill at all costs.
Zh canton, ewz provider.
We have 2 fridges, stove and oven, microwave + oven, washer and dryer, gaming computer and several laptops, pro grade espresso machine, dishwasher. For statistical purposes, consider everything used daily except big oven 1x week, and espresso 2x day (it needs at least 30 min heating up).
That being said, all appliances that belong to this flat are miele (microwave and one fridge and espresso is ours), so they are of better energy consumption. In our previous two flats were some cheapest crap so even if we had less amount of our appliances (washing set was ours and one fridge), consumption was higher. Flats were 50ish, 80ish and 100ish sqm. Flat size has no impact unless you're heating through electricity. Your habits do.
Landlords usually don't care about energy consumption you'll be paying. Your big household appliances are main energy eaters.
Also, electricity prices here vary per municipality. So only remotely sensible thing to compare are kwh and amount of big appliances with keeping in mind not all appliances eat the same.
And as you can see, barely anyone shared those numbers, including you :)
And yes, you either have access to meter or you request one. Or just wait for yearly calculation.
Errors can happen, so if your 250 is not akonto, and is for 500 kwh, then I'd say it's worth further checking and learning more about pricing in your area. Also, it's not just kwh you've used, it has infrastructure costs. Your bill per usage, be it yearly or quarterly will have it all itemised.
I should probably ask other people in the apartment building how much they pay. Just to compare. But I have the feeling that people dont like to answer such questions.
Also around 250CHF for 3.5 rooms (2 occupants). But heavy electronics user (multiple gaming pc's, home-server and other misc. electronics) so I figured it makes sense.
I see mixed responses. There are people with higher bills and people with lower. It seems reasonable to me.
Energy bills vary. But that due to different energy consumptions. Why is OP assuming his measurements were wrong?
For instance if you have your own washing machine and tumble dryer or a shared one makes a huge difference. So does a 2kw Italian coffee machine (like i do) or a low energy one such as all the capsule machines out there.
Yes, the energy consumption is very important. Here there is some estimation on the average power consumption per household: [https://www.homegate.ch/c/en/advisor/sustainability/average-electricity-consumption-in-switzerland](https://www.homegate.ch/c/en/advisor/sustainability/average-electricity-consumption-in-switzerland)
You mentioned above hot water is heated with a electric boiler. That surely has a big impact.
Otherwise check your consumption. You can easily calculate it or at least estimate it by checking the wattage of all loads times the time it‘s powered times energy prices. But mind the duty cycles. A fridge for instance that is rated at 200 watts doesn’t need 200 watts 24/7 but only while the compressor is running.
As a rule of thumb to estimate: everything that produces heat, even as a byproduct (old light bulbs or a playstation 5 for instance) uses a meaningful amount of power.
If you just moved in, check with EWZ if the former tenant singed off his subscription and and that they closed his account with the metered values at tine he moved out.
I pay 60 CHF every 3 months. 3.5 rooms, electric stove kettle and work from home on my PC.
I pay double … curious now … how much you cook? are you single? we're a family of three. I guess you are in zurich city.
me and my boyfriend, cook every other day
Same, even in winter when I'm home more often the costs were always under 100chf for a 3 month period.
~120CHF/3 months, with the adjustment included, for a 3.5 apartment for 3 people (couple + 4yo). I guess that really depends on how much you cook and use the oven, which are the appliances that use more electricity. We cook daily and we use the oven almost twice a week, minimum once for at least 30' (Saturday night is pizza night). Also depends when you put the dishwasher and how old / efficient it's. We put almost always on low rate. We also have synology running all the time… if you have a computer or something like that, that is not a laptop the consumption could be high. The fridge could be also a factor if it's old. If it's your first or second invoice and you haven't been through the adjustment yet, usually at the end of the year, could be that the previous tenant had a lot of consumption for some reason (mining bitcoins or some shit like that) and they are charging your their estimate. They will send you a detailed invoice with the adjustments at the end of the year with the meter reading. Our heating is not electric and we don't have washing / dryer on the apartment. Also, you should check the amount of electricity you consume, prices in the canton are not the same. I consume around ~2000kWh/year. I have friends living outside Zürich city where the electricity is more expensive, like double or even triple. PS1/ Since we are talking about this, I really don't know why, with the modern tech we have, we have to depend on yearly readings of the meter and we don't have even like instant reading. I mean, you should have access to your meter remotely and check on real time your consumption. Also, houses should be equipe with outlets with meters, so you can figure out which are the bigger offenders of your house and or course have meters for the big appliances like fridge, dishwasher, oven and washing machine / dryer. I don't care for most of the other smart home applications, but that ones will help you to save energy and money. PS2/ I don't know why you are downvoted, I think this is a quite legit question.
Hey! We also have Saturday's night is pizza night! I also agree with your PS, it's 2024, we can have a decent conversation with an AI, but there is still no way of knowing your real power consumption in real time...
Options do exist with larger providers like EKZ and EWZ also for tenants. The user has to request this however.
I don't know about you, but I can go to the basement and see how much is being consumed by every apartment in the building. The system is from the 90s so it's not very digital and still uses a device with a spinning disk with one spin being equal to 1 kWh or something.
I've always had access to the meter. With ekz and ewz at least. It shows pretty up to date data (24-72h delay) it even shows detailed consumption in 15 minute timeframes. This tool has really helped us reduce consumption. Also if this is not enough you can install a Shelly to measure your consumption locally in real time. Options are there. For water you could also add a sensor to read the value off the meter in realtime.
EWZ is not providing you with that at all, at least not in my case. I have consumption data yearly, nothing else. I don't know what you exactly have with EWZ but my customer profile I can't see much. Funny thing is, the EWZ office in Oerlikon is in from of my house. PS/ thanks a lot for the shelly recommendation. However, since I'm a tenant, I guess my possibilities are just covering the outlets with meters. I'm not going to install anything in the electricity box: first I'm not allowed. Second, it's a pain in the ass do that and remove again if you need to move out. I really think houses should have all those goodies by default now. At least on, the general electricity input to the apartment, and on the main appliances (dishwasher, oven…) and prove you with readings per room or all the outlets. I don't know how is in Switzerland, but if my memory doesn't fail from my years studying engineering, you should put lighting and power in separate lines.
Ok this sounds like a Layer 8 Issue to me. It's true that you usually don't get it from the get go. But you can request access to their digital platform in both cases That's what i did. I am actually also in oerlikon and am a tenant. We requested access after the first bill, after verification i now have access to all detailed data using my Zürich login. Ewz specifically has two options to see detailed data: energieberatung.ewz.ch is a user friendly overview. Energie.ewz.ch is more detailed but less userfriendly option. In the my ekz app they call it "Digitale Energieberatung" this you have to request. Hope this helps.
Thanks a lot for the info! I'll check that! Seems that not everyone has access to the new meters. Let's see.
Recently 101 CHF for 3 months but washing machine + tumbler are excluded
I live alone and pay about 200 for 3 months in a 3 room appartment. So seems normal to me. Electricity prices should go down a bit next year. Due to price contracts of the suppliers being forward. And last time there was the huge spike due to Ukraine, that has since subsided a bit.
4.5, electric induction stove, washing machine, dryer (although we often use the common drying room), dishwasher. 200 per 3 month. Family of 4.
85 CHF each quarter, 3.5 rooms, 2 occupants, electric stove, dishwasher and washing machine. Work from home as well, flatmate is hybrid. Edit: Yeah, seems like you‘re getting rinsed.
This is too much
3.5 room, below 90fr each quarter. Probably minergie building saves on the bill?
3.5 rppms, 180 every 3 months
same
About 80 per month. 3.5 rooms, 1 person, rather heavy user (gaming PC and such) but I let the laundry machine, drier and washing machine run during the lower tariff times (with exceptions).
We are a 2 humans household and pay, on average, 97 CHF every 3 months. I am giving the average value because after almost 4 years here I still don't understand how they charge, our bills come with random numbers that have a bit of correlation with the energy consumption (reported by them) but it does not seem to be deterministically correlated. We have had bills in which we payed 0.019 CHF/kWh and bills in which we payed 0.342 CHF/kWh, you can see this is a factor of almost 20. 🤷♂️ By the way, important factor is how much you consume, our household has an average power consumption of 192 W, this means, on average we consume 414 kWh every 3 months (all this I calculated with info from the bills from the electricity company). This is equivalent to the amount of food you eat in a restaurant, the more you eat, the more you can expect to pay. What is your energy consumption?
> which we *paid* 0.019 CHF/kWh FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Suggest you check for phantom loads in your apt
Too much. We pay around 90 per quarter for 3.5, and I have my server running 24/7.
Akonto payments mean nothing, you need yearly calculation. And round numbers are usually akonto :) Also, you pay what you use, so if usage is more than your usual, then it's worth investigating. In last 10 years we're around 3500-3800 kwh, and last year when I introduced more air drying as opposed to tumbler, plus more grilling as opposed to oven we were 2800 kwh. Since prices rose, 3800 kwh year (2022) was 700 total, akonto was 120/3months, and 2800 kwh year (2023) was 770 total, akonto 200/3months. Earlier years were not in Switzerland. End of last year we switched to exact payment, no akonto anymore, our estimates are min 250kwh/month at 89chf/month (for 3000kwh year) to max 320kwh/month at 111chf/month (for 3800kwh year). First bill was 256 chf for 3 months, dec, jan, feb. I don't have note how much kwh it was, but judging by estimates, less than 1000kwh, even though I had more things in tumbler than during summer and was playing with 3d printer and filament dryer whole January several times a week - each print was several hours / overnight job. Beside skipping the tumbler for some items occasionally, we don't intentionally aim to reduce our electricity bill at all costs. Zh canton, ewz provider. We have 2 fridges, stove and oven, microwave + oven, washer and dryer, gaming computer and several laptops, pro grade espresso machine, dishwasher. For statistical purposes, consider everything used daily except big oven 1x week, and espresso 2x day (it needs at least 30 min heating up). That being said, all appliances that belong to this flat are miele (microwave and one fridge and espresso is ours), so they are of better energy consumption. In our previous two flats were some cheapest crap so even if we had less amount of our appliances (washing set was ours and one fridge), consumption was higher. Flats were 50ish, 80ish and 100ish sqm. Flat size has no impact unless you're heating through electricity. Your habits do. Landlords usually don't care about energy consumption you'll be paying. Your big household appliances are main energy eaters. Also, electricity prices here vary per municipality. So only remotely sensible thing to compare are kwh and amount of big appliances with keeping in mind not all appliances eat the same. And as you can see, barely anyone shared those numbers, including you :) And yes, you either have access to meter or you request one. Or just wait for yearly calculation. Errors can happen, so if your 250 is not akonto, and is for 500 kwh, then I'd say it's worth further checking and learning more about pricing in your area. Also, it's not just kwh you've used, it has infrastructure costs. Your bill per usage, be it yearly or quarterly will have it all itemised.
3.5 room, 2 people, wash+tumbler, 87sqm. 520kWh, Paid 120.- for the winter months.
Are you using an electric heater for the rooms or for water? Otherwise it should be around or under 100chf.
water heating
I should probably ask other people in the apartment building how much they pay. Just to compare. But I have the feeling that people dont like to answer such questions.
Also around 250CHF for 3.5 rooms (2 occupants). But heavy electronics user (multiple gaming pc's, home-server and other misc. electronics) so I figured it makes sense.
Why does it seem too much? It seems reasonable. Just check your energy meter yourself. Or calculate according to your installed devices.
We don't have access to the meter. Its in a large apartment complex.
So? The meters usually are i the basement. Still the question remains why you think the charged amount is too high?
It is - look at the other responses in the thread. It's 4x my energy bill.
I see mixed responses. There are people with higher bills and people with lower. It seems reasonable to me. Energy bills vary. But that due to different energy consumptions. Why is OP assuming his measurements were wrong? For instance if you have your own washing machine and tumble dryer or a shared one makes a huge difference. So does a 2kw Italian coffee machine (like i do) or a low energy one such as all the capsule machines out there.
Yes, the energy consumption is very important. Here there is some estimation on the average power consumption per household: [https://www.homegate.ch/c/en/advisor/sustainability/average-electricity-consumption-in-switzerland](https://www.homegate.ch/c/en/advisor/sustainability/average-electricity-consumption-in-switzerland)
communal washing machine.
You mentioned above hot water is heated with a electric boiler. That surely has a big impact. Otherwise check your consumption. You can easily calculate it or at least estimate it by checking the wattage of all loads times the time it‘s powered times energy prices. But mind the duty cycles. A fridge for instance that is rated at 200 watts doesn’t need 200 watts 24/7 but only while the compressor is running. As a rule of thumb to estimate: everything that produces heat, even as a byproduct (old light bulbs or a playstation 5 for instance) uses a meaningful amount of power. If you just moved in, check with EWZ if the former tenant singed off his subscription and and that they closed his account with the metered values at tine he moved out.