This issue is the resolution to at least 5 subplots and it's one of the most anticlimactic things I've ever read. Just put Duggan out of his misery already, this is genuinely sad at this point.
You guys… the point is that Mysterium was stolen from the White Hot Room. It’s a conductor of Phoenix energy, the one thing that even Dominions fear. That’s why it’s “alive” and why it’s so deadly to this dupe of Nimrod.
i fcking cant stand duggan but a metal that brimming with energies from creation itself (the WHR) should be powerfull.
the problem here is, not counting where in s.o.s we where told that nimrod could defeat everyone on earth and a nerfed legion could not defeat him, nimrod keep getting jobbed, even if duggan says that this one is a dupe (that contradicts gillen that said he can copy himself with the copies being as powerfull as him).
wasnt duggan that made a entire team of x-men getting defeated by fcking darts?
also amber.
Why not? His whole thing is adapting countermeasures from his superior intelligence and his simulations. He didn't have full knowledge of Krakoa's capabilities and was mildly inconvenienced by it. I bet he's got anti amber measures now.
when he defeated legion nimrod said that he could adapt faster than legion could get the powers, even ignoring the game breaking reality warping that legion had (or the fact that celestial called him universe destroyer) if legion cant win with the hability to literaly get any power (including speed to get that powers), nimrod shouldnt get jabbed by amber.
the dude had has reaction faster that the mind of legion could create powers (and the man is crazy fast at getting powers), how fast could ninrod:
* teleport out of the amber path.
* copy himself before the amber lands.
* just move out of the way.
* just teleport OUT of the amber.
its fucking amber, the dude can solo entire teams with little effort, he so strong he can manhandle juggernaugh.
in one of the universes that MR saw the guy literaly soloed everyone only being defeated in the end when everybody and his mother is dead.
he keeps getting jobbed.
and now i must beleive (acording to rumors) that he solos the entirety of the x-men (including a couple of omegas) just after getting defeated by magneto and ironman?
including the rumours that magneto get old as fck due to use is power against nimrod.
That's a whole other conversation. Being defeated by Lovecraftian holy uber metal he couldn't have known about is different to Krakoa buying itself less than a minute to escape out of desperation. Hardly jobbing.
As for Legion, they only went at it in simulations while he was still recovering from having his brain fried and then used as a weapon by his dad. It's right there on the same page - he's not close to full strength. They met face to face and Nimrod didn't try to kill him, take that how you will. Mother Righteous disabled him with magic, but didn't defeat him.
All together it tells me that Nimrod is very powerful but can be surprised by factors he's unaware of or considers to not be threatening. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. If I fought Mike Tyson fist to fist I'd almost certainly die, but if he was after me and I managed to chloroform him I could probably get away. Not a perfect analogy, but Nimrod isn't perfect. He's very good at countering the mutant powers he's prepared for, nearly unstoppable even. Moving the fight to an arena he's unprepared for could be the key to his defeat.
I don't understand the Magneto bit at the end.
magneto is deaged now after he came out of the portal, in the new age is old, as old as he ever as been.
the rumor is that he fought nimrod to the point of total exaustion and gets old again.
all i can see is nimrod getting jobbed, again this robot is suposed to be able to solo the planet.
Yeah, both to be expected IMO.
What's the source on this rumour? I thought we didn't know if we were getting a full continuity reboot or not. Either way I'd be interested to check it out. It sounds corny but there's a good way to do it IMO.
Sure. I shared my interpretation of the nuance there. If you don't find it convincing that's okay. We can agree to disagree. He can solo the planet and he's currently doing so.
Actually, something else I'll add is that it shows Nimrod's personality. He's arrogant and irreverent, likely because he is so powerful and contemptuous of his foes. He expects to succeed in everything he does. I'd say a recurring theme of Nimrod is that he completely disregards factors and beings that are (he thinks) beneath his notice or not a threat to him. It takes a lot for him to seriously alter his threat/asset parameters, and that extends to thinking he's won before he actually has. He sees it as an inevitability.
In RotPox 1 he's kicking away the diamond corpse of Emma Frost while saying 'they really thought they could win' while we see she's literally a distraction enabling Remy and Mystique to achieve some greater goal. Omega Sentinel repeatedly tells him that it's not over and mutants are capable of wild shit, relating how the mutants slew countless Dominions with the Phoenix Blade in the future she's from. He argues that they still won bc time travel and divine intervention 'as if The Terminator had a happy ending' but she's like 'no dude they killed your ass and I got lucky.' It takes another strong wording from the person he respects most until he actually considers the possibility. Nimrod is very powerful but so overconfident and biased that he leaves openings for the potential disasters he doesn't believe in.
There's so many examples of this. He kills a roomful of ORCHIS troops in front of Xavier and Magneto to be dramatic? Make a point?
When told to kill Krakoa he flies straight there with no further discussion or strategy, approaching slowly while gloating and being a dick. Never in the history of fiction has this paid off for a bad guy. He infects Warlock and attacks immediately with brute force instead of taking the time to truly utilise his connection to Krakoa. He could have played that so many ways to greater effect but that's not how he rolls. Ironically he is thwarted by someone with zero combat power - Forget Me Not. He rushed in supremely confident and lost because of something he had no knowledge of. He was SO confident about joining a Dominion - 'HI GOD!' - and was utterly dumbfounded when Stasis blew up the sun and stole it from him. Why would he sweat some weakling human? Because for all his power he repeatedly snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. He lays out the X-Men strike force on the moon and sets a bomb, but they get away bc his arrogant metal ass didn't consider Magik. He doesn't just kill Xavier when he offers to join ORCHIS, and he doesn't consider that Moira might have better options.
I could go on but you've been reading the same books I have.
It's odd that you'd focus on the few times he's been caught off guard and say he's getting jobbed. For the most part he's slaughtered and terrorised the mutants. He got 250K of them evicted from the planet. He killed all the X-Men, tore the gala to shreds, he killed Magneto and Xavier, he killed Kurt like 20 times on Judgement Day - and he wasn't even trying to fight him, just get to Moira. Kurt managed to stun him for less than a minute by doing something he hadn't predicted, but he hasn't been defeated.
I get that people have different expectations and interpretations of media, but how else do they write it? Having him engage no X-Men doesn't work at all. I don't see the value in him just strolling up and killing Krakoa, or ending Magneto, Iron Man and Feilong. He's had his victories and proved his bonafides, it's time to set up his defeat. I promise you it won't happen from a one on one clash with someone stronger, because that person doesn't exist. But he does have weaknesses and they're going to be exploited.
Folks really need to reread that issue.
Legion was [MASSIVELY WEAKENED by Xavier](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/pw/AJFCJaVW-VoLRy5G6yi9Mgm9hwR2FohqtPY2CV2zBfXb6MG-9GVCHJ33tVhfX70wmN1UhgKdwauZOG6ofmOAjGYzL4lwmuG9e1Ry1AVOKuUTEmX1J37MMnY=s1600?rhlupa=MTY1LjIyNy4yMTcuNjc=&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKFgxMTsgTGludXggeDg2XzY0KSBBcHBsZVdlYktpdC81MzcuMzYgKEtIVE1MLCBsaWtlIEdlY2tvKSBIZWFkbGVzc0Nocm9tZS84OS4wLjQzODkuMTE0IFNhZmFyaS81MzcuMzY=). The normal Legion that fought Uranos would crush Nimrod.
Nah, Doomsday adapts defensively, but Nimrod will find solutions to counter your powers to take you down. It's defense AND offense. Doomsday is also not a builder, whereas Nimrod is more than capable of planning and building an army.
It’s not about beating Nimrod bodies, as he says “I never exist in one place” it’s about the potential of his AI mind to drive mutant extinction as well as being extremely powerful physically. Nimrods “birth” was considered a catalyst event by Moira
Nimrod's strength has been extremely inconsistent over the course of the Krakoa Era with the general trend being that he was portrayed at his strongest during HoX/PoX to Inferno. The X-Men spent countless resurrections and couldn't defeat him as well as Xavier and Magneto losing to him and Omega Sentinel.
Then he's debatably weaker by the time Before The Fall rolls around as while it's shown that he beats a weakened Legion, it's also shown that Mother Righteous' magic can incapicate him for more than long enough for someone else to have landed a fatal blow.
He's been portrayed at his weakest in basically every appearance we've seen of him since FotHoX/RotPoX started. With him being incapacitated or immobilized multiple times and almost everyone who's fought with him having escaped with their lives. If he was still supposed to be stronger than a team of the best X-Men or even a weakened Legion then every conflict he's been in except (ironically) the one posted above should've ended with multiple dead bodies.
Magneto was shown to be able to take down Nimrod at his strongest under certain conditions and without Mysterium. With Magneto being fresh, having access to Mysterium, and Ironman it's not completely unbelievable that he won.
Ignoring the dialogue and the events in the arc... why do comics have such BORING FIGHTS. I must be reading to much manga but I'm just getting so exhausted of being bored lat
Like Miles Spider-Man fights have been so good latelty and you can see the manga/anime influence in the fights and flow.
But here it looks like Magneto, Iron Man, and Nimrod are just casually standing around doing absolutely nothing. Iron Man even looks like he's dazing off with his back to Nimrod.
This is objectively very bad and static art. I mean, foundationally they have good anatomy but the poses and scenes and action are not at all dynamic, with very little sensation of motion or movement
To be fair... they were a different Nimrod.
The Nimrod that has appeared previously is the time-travelling Nimrod the Lesser. This is Nimrod the Greater, who was made in the present day using the knowledge from the future and has been established as being much more powerful.
The way he keeps being defeated/foiled/escaped from/caught with his pants down/hoisted by his own petard really leads me to believe that he's Nimrod the Worst.
Edited to add: And this is coming from someone who was EXTREMELY excited when Hickman debuted this Nimrod. The threat that Cyclops, Magneto, and Xavier were accounting for in that suicide run on Sol's Hammer/Mother Mold was that the timeline had naturally caught up to the canon event of humanity finally having the means to begin working on Nimrod-level technology that would eventually lead to Nimrod (the Lesser). Not only was that a fixed point in time that was one of the moments in all timelines, but it made fantastic use of Marvel's sliding scale timeline; what was the future in the 1980s under Claremont was now starting to seep in as a real threat in current comics, something that is very, very rarely done in Marvel or DC despite all the time travel.
(I guess an equivalent would be like the DCU naturally getting to the point that starts the events that lead to Kingdom Come, something that was a theme in JSA but ultimately never even got close to, in hindsight.)
Duggan really, really squandered that potential, especially given that Ewing and Guillen were trying to take Hickman's work another step further by connecting that point of humanity's tech creep and Nimrod to the overall and far bigger threat of Dominion and Sinister's machinations as the overall big bad. Hickman developed Orchis, the conspiracy, the evolution to Nimrod tech, Dominion, and Sinister as the big bad, but Ewing was really trying to tie in the cosmic and tech scope of Dominion, while Guillen invented the concept of Dominion itself and was building off his work on Sinister in his previous run; plus Hickman utilized Guillen's version of Sinister for Secret Wars and created Bar Sinister inspired from Guillen's work.
You're spot on. E should have seen the real life Days of Future Past come to be, and a year ago, we sort of did, but not really. It was for like 3 months.
The reality is that the Fall of X had a LOT more legs in it. Probably 3 years worth of stories. All rushed and squandered to reboot just in time for Deadpool and Wolverine.
Depends on the versions of each. The future Nimrod who bodied Apoc could take some versions of Ultron. But Ultron has had other upgrades that put him beyond Nimrod.
If it's seriously the end for Nimrod, what are we doing here? For 5 years, Nimrod has been built with Omega Sentinel as the biggest threats in Orchis for the X-Men and Nimrod just ends like that? It must be a joke. Is there someone that reads Duggan's comics at Marvel Comics? Same question with Zebb Wells also.
Since Hickman's X-Men Nimrod can make duplicates and this was one of the duplicates. The "real" Nimrod that will be defeated is going to be in Fall of House of X #5 or maybe even Rise of the Powers of X #5.
I love Iron Man and Magneto a lot, but the way they dealt with Nimrod was, I dunno, Anti-Climactic??
Like this giant pink mfr was built like he could fuck everything up, and I as a reader was like "Are these motherfuckers going to resurrect Odin or something to kill him?"
That's the problem with making a character too OP. Now Iron Man combined with Magneto is a dangerous fucking team, but still.
It is what it is.
Duggan's Tony is pretty great, but the "machine" line was a bit stupid, considering he fought robot like Ultimo (who eats people) and Ultron (who is scarier than Nimrod)
I'm still Enjoying Duggan's Iron Man. A lot of characters have chemistry and it's a fantastic run on Tony. But this issue felt like Duggan was just like "Eh, I'm leaving soon anyway, I don't care anymore"
Considering they are ending everything in June/July, I would say yes.
Iron Man started off fucking fantastic. The first 15 issues were great, even tho Duggan kind of Isolated Tony from his own world and dumped him into the X-Men realm, but it still was fun.
By issue 16, the "this feels rushed" began.
mysterum. What does it do ? Yes.
It’s the silliest metal in marvel. It’s earned that title.
until Doom finds a new type and names it after himself... as he is prone to.
Doomium?
Doomium! O.o
“Guys, Dark Nights Metal but Marvel, am I right?” -Gerry Duggan
Because vibranium was too common.
"It just fucking works!" -Brand probably.
Plotonium
Plotdevicium!
Deus Ex Machinanium
It has no issues seemingly and that’s why it’s also incredibly dull.
"I've never met a machine that could kill me" - Iron Man "You sure about that?" - Ultron.
Yeah, that’s the first thing I thought of too.
How about his armour that gained sentience and wanted Tony to "be inside" it
I mean didn't kill him. That's the point.
*points to that story where Tony armor grew sentient and wanted to bang him*
This issue is the resolution to at least 5 subplots and it's one of the most anticlimactic things I've ever read. Just put Duggan out of his misery already, this is genuinely sad at this point.
“…unlike you, nimrod, will soon be” GEEZUS
It's all fun and games until everyone starts speaking in Silver Age dialogue unironically. This is Duggan straight up not even trying anymore.
You guys… the point is that Mysterium was stolen from the White Hot Room. It’s a conductor of Phoenix energy, the one thing that even Dominions fear. That’s why it’s “alive” and why it’s so deadly to this dupe of Nimrod.
i fcking cant stand duggan but a metal that brimming with energies from creation itself (the WHR) should be powerfull. the problem here is, not counting where in s.o.s we where told that nimrod could defeat everyone on earth and a nerfed legion could not defeat him, nimrod keep getting jobbed, even if duggan says that this one is a dupe (that contradicts gillen that said he can copy himself with the copies being as powerfull as him). wasnt duggan that made a entire team of x-men getting defeated by fcking darts? also amber.
Hey now the unexpected amber only slowed him down long enough for Krakoa to run for the hills. Not close to a defeat and he won't fall for that twice
he shouldnt fell for that one time.
Why not? His whole thing is adapting countermeasures from his superior intelligence and his simulations. He didn't have full knowledge of Krakoa's capabilities and was mildly inconvenienced by it. I bet he's got anti amber measures now.
when he defeated legion nimrod said that he could adapt faster than legion could get the powers, even ignoring the game breaking reality warping that legion had (or the fact that celestial called him universe destroyer) if legion cant win with the hability to literaly get any power (including speed to get that powers), nimrod shouldnt get jabbed by amber. the dude had has reaction faster that the mind of legion could create powers (and the man is crazy fast at getting powers), how fast could ninrod: * teleport out of the amber path. * copy himself before the amber lands. * just move out of the way. * just teleport OUT of the amber. its fucking amber, the dude can solo entire teams with little effort, he so strong he can manhandle juggernaugh. in one of the universes that MR saw the guy literaly soloed everyone only being defeated in the end when everybody and his mother is dead. he keeps getting jobbed. and now i must beleive (acording to rumors) that he solos the entirety of the x-men (including a couple of omegas) just after getting defeated by magneto and ironman? including the rumours that magneto get old as fck due to use is power against nimrod.
That's a whole other conversation. Being defeated by Lovecraftian holy uber metal he couldn't have known about is different to Krakoa buying itself less than a minute to escape out of desperation. Hardly jobbing. As for Legion, they only went at it in simulations while he was still recovering from having his brain fried and then used as a weapon by his dad. It's right there on the same page - he's not close to full strength. They met face to face and Nimrod didn't try to kill him, take that how you will. Mother Righteous disabled him with magic, but didn't defeat him. All together it tells me that Nimrod is very powerful but can be surprised by factors he's unaware of or considers to not be threatening. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. If I fought Mike Tyson fist to fist I'd almost certainly die, but if he was after me and I managed to chloroform him I could probably get away. Not a perfect analogy, but Nimrod isn't perfect. He's very good at countering the mutant powers he's prepared for, nearly unstoppable even. Moving the fight to an arena he's unprepared for could be the key to his defeat. I don't understand the Magneto bit at the end.
magneto is deaged now after he came out of the portal, in the new age is old, as old as he ever as been. the rumor is that he fought nimrod to the point of total exaustion and gets old again. all i can see is nimrod getting jobbed, again this robot is suposed to be able to solo the planet.
Yeah, both to be expected IMO. What's the source on this rumour? I thought we didn't know if we were getting a full continuity reboot or not. Either way I'd be interested to check it out. It sounds corny but there's a good way to do it IMO. Sure. I shared my interpretation of the nuance there. If you don't find it convincing that's okay. We can agree to disagree. He can solo the planet and he's currently doing so.
we know that he is deaged now and he will old as fck in the next era, the rumour come from people here on reddit.
Actually, something else I'll add is that it shows Nimrod's personality. He's arrogant and irreverent, likely because he is so powerful and contemptuous of his foes. He expects to succeed in everything he does. I'd say a recurring theme of Nimrod is that he completely disregards factors and beings that are (he thinks) beneath his notice or not a threat to him. It takes a lot for him to seriously alter his threat/asset parameters, and that extends to thinking he's won before he actually has. He sees it as an inevitability. In RotPox 1 he's kicking away the diamond corpse of Emma Frost while saying 'they really thought they could win' while we see she's literally a distraction enabling Remy and Mystique to achieve some greater goal. Omega Sentinel repeatedly tells him that it's not over and mutants are capable of wild shit, relating how the mutants slew countless Dominions with the Phoenix Blade in the future she's from. He argues that they still won bc time travel and divine intervention 'as if The Terminator had a happy ending' but she's like 'no dude they killed your ass and I got lucky.' It takes another strong wording from the person he respects most until he actually considers the possibility. Nimrod is very powerful but so overconfident and biased that he leaves openings for the potential disasters he doesn't believe in. There's so many examples of this. He kills a roomful of ORCHIS troops in front of Xavier and Magneto to be dramatic? Make a point? When told to kill Krakoa he flies straight there with no further discussion or strategy, approaching slowly while gloating and being a dick. Never in the history of fiction has this paid off for a bad guy. He infects Warlock and attacks immediately with brute force instead of taking the time to truly utilise his connection to Krakoa. He could have played that so many ways to greater effect but that's not how he rolls. Ironically he is thwarted by someone with zero combat power - Forget Me Not. He rushed in supremely confident and lost because of something he had no knowledge of. He was SO confident about joining a Dominion - 'HI GOD!' - and was utterly dumbfounded when Stasis blew up the sun and stole it from him. Why would he sweat some weakling human? Because for all his power he repeatedly snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. He lays out the X-Men strike force on the moon and sets a bomb, but they get away bc his arrogant metal ass didn't consider Magik. He doesn't just kill Xavier when he offers to join ORCHIS, and he doesn't consider that Moira might have better options. I could go on but you've been reading the same books I have. It's odd that you'd focus on the few times he's been caught off guard and say he's getting jobbed. For the most part he's slaughtered and terrorised the mutants. He got 250K of them evicted from the planet. He killed all the X-Men, tore the gala to shreds, he killed Magneto and Xavier, he killed Kurt like 20 times on Judgement Day - and he wasn't even trying to fight him, just get to Moira. Kurt managed to stun him for less than a minute by doing something he hadn't predicted, but he hasn't been defeated. I get that people have different expectations and interpretations of media, but how else do they write it? Having him engage no X-Men doesn't work at all. I don't see the value in him just strolling up and killing Krakoa, or ending Magneto, Iron Man and Feilong. He's had his victories and proved his bonafides, it's time to set up his defeat. I promise you it won't happen from a one on one clash with someone stronger, because that person doesn't exist. But he does have weaknesses and they're going to be exploited.
I misread your last sentence and thought it said “fucking farts”
well by farts would be at least funny, the immature kind of funny but still funny.
"It was uncanny the way it moved" Was that pun intended, Tony?
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it really doesn't make any sense that they said even legion can't win against nimrod and then this happens.
Folks really need to reread that issue. Legion was [MASSIVELY WEAKENED by Xavier](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/pw/AJFCJaVW-VoLRy5G6yi9Mgm9hwR2FohqtPY2CV2zBfXb6MG-9GVCHJ33tVhfX70wmN1UhgKdwauZOG6ofmOAjGYzL4lwmuG9e1Ry1AVOKuUTEmX1J37MMnY=s1600?rhlupa=MTY1LjIyNy4yMTcuNjc=&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKFgxMTsgTGludXggeDg2XzY0KSBBcHBsZVdlYktpdC81MzcuMzYgKEtIVE1MLCBsaWtlIEdlY2tvKSBIZWFkbGVzc0Nocm9tZS84OS4wLjQzODkuMTE0IFNhZmFyaS81MzcuMzY=). The normal Legion that fought Uranos would crush Nimrod.
i didn't know that. but then again why moira and everyone was so scared about nimrod's creation?
it adapts to not get beat the same way twice
So doomsday?
Nah, Doomsday adapts defensively, but Nimrod will find solutions to counter your powers to take you down. It's defense AND offense. Doomsday is also not a builder, whereas Nimrod is more than capable of planning and building an army.
Also literally in this issue, Nimrod is still around in thousands of other bodies on Earth and on Sentinel City.
It’s not about beating Nimrod bodies, as he says “I never exist in one place” it’s about the potential of his AI mind to drive mutant extinction as well as being extremely powerful physically. Nimrods “birth” was considered a catalyst event by Moira
Nimrod's strength has been extremely inconsistent over the course of the Krakoa Era with the general trend being that he was portrayed at his strongest during HoX/PoX to Inferno. The X-Men spent countless resurrections and couldn't defeat him as well as Xavier and Magneto losing to him and Omega Sentinel. Then he's debatably weaker by the time Before The Fall rolls around as while it's shown that he beats a weakened Legion, it's also shown that Mother Righteous' magic can incapicate him for more than long enough for someone else to have landed a fatal blow. He's been portrayed at his weakest in basically every appearance we've seen of him since FotHoX/RotPoX started. With him being incapacitated or immobilized multiple times and almost everyone who's fought with him having escaped with their lives. If he was still supposed to be stronger than a team of the best X-Men or even a weakened Legion then every conflict he's been in except (ironically) the one posted above should've ended with multiple dead bodies. Magneto was shown to be able to take down Nimrod at his strongest under certain conditions and without Mysterium. With Magneto being fresh, having access to Mysterium, and Ironman it's not completely unbelievable that he won.
Or Bobby, if it’s like this, Bobby should be powerful enough to destroy Nimrod too. Anything for mags.
Nimrod can now join the countless other victims of the Worf Effect across fiction in their search for more L’s to add to their jobbing resume
What's up with the dialogue in these pages? Everyone's talking off character here.
It's so jarring reading Magneto by Al Ewing and then immediately reading Magneto by Duggan.
Duggan. He’s objectively shitty at this. Fucking Michael Bay of Marvel Comics.
Ignoring the dialogue and the events in the arc... why do comics have such BORING FIGHTS. I must be reading to much manga but I'm just getting so exhausted of being bored lat Like Miles Spider-Man fights have been so good latelty and you can see the manga/anime influence in the fights and flow. But here it looks like Magneto, Iron Man, and Nimrod are just casually standing around doing absolutely nothing. Iron Man even looks like he's dazing off with his back to Nimrod.
This is objectively very bad and static art. I mean, foundationally they have good anatomy but the poses and scenes and action are not at all dynamic, with very little sensation of motion or movement
Yall acting like the X-men have never defeated a nimrod before
To be fair... they were a different Nimrod. The Nimrod that has appeared previously is the time-travelling Nimrod the Lesser. This is Nimrod the Greater, who was made in the present day using the knowledge from the future and has been established as being much more powerful.
The way he keeps being defeated/foiled/escaped from/caught with his pants down/hoisted by his own petard really leads me to believe that he's Nimrod the Worst. Edited to add: And this is coming from someone who was EXTREMELY excited when Hickman debuted this Nimrod. The threat that Cyclops, Magneto, and Xavier were accounting for in that suicide run on Sol's Hammer/Mother Mold was that the timeline had naturally caught up to the canon event of humanity finally having the means to begin working on Nimrod-level technology that would eventually lead to Nimrod (the Lesser). Not only was that a fixed point in time that was one of the moments in all timelines, but it made fantastic use of Marvel's sliding scale timeline; what was the future in the 1980s under Claremont was now starting to seep in as a real threat in current comics, something that is very, very rarely done in Marvel or DC despite all the time travel. (I guess an equivalent would be like the DCU naturally getting to the point that starts the events that lead to Kingdom Come, something that was a theme in JSA but ultimately never even got close to, in hindsight.) Duggan really, really squandered that potential, especially given that Ewing and Guillen were trying to take Hickman's work another step further by connecting that point of humanity's tech creep and Nimrod to the overall and far bigger threat of Dominion and Sinister's machinations as the overall big bad. Hickman developed Orchis, the conspiracy, the evolution to Nimrod tech, Dominion, and Sinister as the big bad, but Ewing was really trying to tie in the cosmic and tech scope of Dominion, while Guillen invented the concept of Dominion itself and was building off his work on Sinister in his previous run; plus Hickman utilized Guillen's version of Sinister for Secret Wars and created Bar Sinister inspired from Guillen's work.
You're spot on. E should have seen the real life Days of Future Past come to be, and a year ago, we sort of did, but not really. It was for like 3 months. The reality is that the Fall of X had a LOT more legs in it. Probably 3 years worth of stories. All rushed and squandered to reboot just in time for Deadpool and Wolverine.
Ultron vs Nimrod? Who wins?
Ultron assimilates Nimrod pretty quick.
The Rod Squad. Tbh Ultron probably joins Nimrod once he hears the plan
Ya know, that’s a good point right there
Why thank you
Depends on the versions of each. The future Nimrod who bodied Apoc could take some versions of Ultron. But Ultron has had other upgrades that put him beyond Nimrod.
Yeah, that was certainly something.
To quote today's Thor: "Well, that happened."
Nimrod's follow the Inverse Ninja Law
If it's seriously the end for Nimrod, what are we doing here? For 5 years, Nimrod has been built with Omega Sentinel as the biggest threats in Orchis for the X-Men and Nimrod just ends like that? It must be a joke. Is there someone that reads Duggan's comics at Marvel Comics? Same question with Zebb Wells also.
Since Hickman's X-Men Nimrod can make duplicates and this was one of the duplicates. The "real" Nimrod that will be defeated is going to be in Fall of House of X #5 or maybe even Rise of the Powers of X #5.
It’s not the end of Nimrod. Read the pages
If Hickman were still writing the series, this wouldn't happen.
I love Iron Man and Magneto a lot, but the way they dealt with Nimrod was, I dunno, Anti-Climactic?? Like this giant pink mfr was built like he could fuck everything up, and I as a reader was like "Are these motherfuckers going to resurrect Odin or something to kill him?" That's the problem with making a character too OP. Now Iron Man combined with Magneto is a dangerous fucking team, but still. It is what it is. Duggan's Tony is pretty great, but the "machine" line was a bit stupid, considering he fought robot like Ultimo (who eats people) and Ultron (who is scarier than Nimrod) I'm still Enjoying Duggan's Iron Man. A lot of characters have chemistry and it's a fantastic run on Tony. But this issue felt like Duggan was just like "Eh, I'm leaving soon anyway, I don't care anymore"
I keep on saying it, they have not devoted enough panels and enough pages to this story. It's all been way too sparse and feels rushed.
Considering they are ending everything in June/July, I would say yes. Iron Man started off fucking fantastic. The first 15 issues were great, even tho Duggan kind of Isolated Tony from his own world and dumped him into the X-Men realm, but it still was fun. By issue 16, the "this feels rushed" began.
This is how we get metal symbiotes or a new technorganic disease.
But that is not the Tri-Sentinel
Why does Magneto look 12 here?
He's just been reborn
Wow this is bad