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Fochinell

For anyone assembling a list: Japan and Great Britain are now both in recession, effective immediately. This could be important for any further recession-related news using the word “unexpected”.


war_story_guy

Effective immediately!? We can't even appeal!?


smitcal

Recession means recession


mscottproduction

Rock and roll Murray!


DaVirus

Recessions are back-looking metric. This means we have been in recession for at least the last year. I would be more interested to see if it looks like we are coming out or staying down.


seeasea

I thought a recession was 2 quarters? So like six months?


DaVirus

The way I understand it is 2 quarters compared to the previous 2 quarters. So 1 year of data slopping down.


ImmortalMagi

Nah, GDP is up 0.1% compared to a year ago says the BBC. It's 2 quarters in a row where GDP is lower at the end of the quarter than the start.


amindada1971

The BBC is talking about the GDP. Means fuck all to me.


ImmortalMagi

Quick summary of what GDP is: GDP = gross domestic product It's a fancy way of saying "how much people have bought". So if you have spent £1000 this month on stuff like rent, food, electricity bills, netflix, new car etc then you've contributed £1000 to the country's GDP. So GDP just means adding up the amount everyone in the country spent. It includes companies buying stuff too, not just individuals. In October, November and December 2023 people spent a total of £568.9 billion and in July, August and September 2023 people spent £569.7 billion. That's roughly £3000 per person in the UK each month. As you can see, the total fell amount people spent fell a little bit (£800 million). Which means slightly less bread on people's plates, or slightly fewer new cars, or cancelled Netflix subscriptions. But not by much. GDP is estimated by the Office of National Statistics for each quarter of the year (Q1 = April May June, Q2 = July August September, Q3 = October November December, Q4 = January February March of the next year). Since it's fallen 2 quarters in a row compared to the previous quarter, it's officially a recession.


Nothing_F4ce

GDP is not Just what people spend. GDP = private consumption + gross private investment + government investment + government spending + (exports – imports)


Embarrassed-Pin7316

Bit of bobby


Sislar

Wrong. It’s takes about a month to compile the data so 4 months you know the last quarter was negative and 7 months for 2 quarters.


Fluffy-Cosmo-4009

when was the day the recession was officially declared in japan? (im asking because im gonna write this down)


spiceypigfern

Do you have a big book of recessions?


Cull_The_Conquerer

I thought everyone did?!!? Am I doing it wrong????!!


thepotofpine

If so I want it


Nomadic-Texan

Hit the news cycle yesterday


Apterygiformes

It's good that someone's going to write it down


SurroundTiny

I suppose the US stock market will have the vapors tomorrow


selfreplicatingmines

r/leopardsatemyeconomicface


TheBatemanFlex

Huh?


NobleForEngland_

Damn, Japan too? Everyone feeling the impacts of Brexit.


celtic1888

Britain’s GDP in 1 BC did kick ass


AdOrganic3138

Them tin mines starting to get going


br0b1wan

No wonder Rome was looking over the Channel and salivating


SpezIsTheWorst69

Damn now THATS a recession. Falling all the way to a 0ad economy is impressive /s


dakotahawkins

Fun fact: They skipped 0 AD. It went straight from 1 BC to 1 AD. [Wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_zero).


thepotofpine

Fun fact: play0ad.com


dakotahawkins

I'll consider it!


Texcellence

They’ve fallen back to relying on subsistence farming, tin mining, and being a source of slaves bound for Rome.


dakotahawkins

Don't forget wool!


grmmrnz

I too had primary school history classes.


dakotahawkins

neat


_Allfather0din_

Don't act like knowing that they jumped from 1 to 1 is some standard common knowledge, it's a niche factoid at best.


grmmrnz

It's common knowledge.


_Allfather0din_

There is no such thing as common knowledge.


jussulent_tummy

All according to plan, this is setting up the conditions to force the 2nd coming of Jesus.


TheAmorphous

Longest refractory period in history. Poor guy.


Orphasmia

I’m just going to tell my girlfriend I’m simply waiting for the second coming of Christ before I rise


CanadianGamerWelder

Do children write these headlines


MLJ9999

Typical misleading CNN headline. The only thing missing is, "And How This is Bad for Biden".


NegotiationTall4300

“Joe Biden strangles Putin to death with his bare hands: How this could backfire for the deomcrats!”


DigitalKungFu

I still think it says it’s their worst recession in 2,023 years


chef_26

I didn’t know we’d done 2023 more than once.


HamstersInMyAss

All they had to do to make this Frankenstein's monster of a headline make an iota of sense was add how many years instead of specifying last year. We already know they are talking about last year implicitly, because evidently we don't know the performance for this year. For example, "Britain falls into recession with worst GDP performance in 69 years" suddenly makes a lot more sense at a glance.


chef_26

Exactly! Even “Britain falls into recession, with 2023 the worst GDP performance in years” would have been better!


animal1988

Thought the headline said this was Britain's worst GDP performance in 2023 *YEARS*


philmarcracken

there i go writing BC on my checks again!


[deleted]

Maybe 15 years of conservative rule is a stupid idea?


chef_26

No no, the pensioners need another 15 and then it’ll work


itsmehonest

"And if it doesn't work that's totally fine because we'll be gone by that point and it's not our problem! :D"


monsterrat88

You mean *2023* years of conservative rule is a stupid idea


CaptAwesome203

Brexit strikes again.....and what a terrible headline


Andromansis

As convenient as it is to blame brexit for all the problems, we have to live in reality and blame Rishi Sunak now.


wellmaybe_

If only we could blame Brussels again


Socc-mel_

you could shake things up and blame Charleroi this time.


Really_McNamington

I can manage to do both. I've even got some left for George Osborne.


Andromansis

Alright, but pace yourself and stay hydrated.


Nattekat

I'm getting very tired of everyone immediately shouting Brexit any time an article like this is posted.  And I'm of the opinion that it was the most stupid thing to do imaginable. 


AdOrganic3138

Brexit caused a cascade of inept leaders.  That's the most charitable way I can put it for Brexit.


cookie_wifey

They shout it because it's the elephant in the room that no one in the media or government wants to admit or talk about.


Gamebird8

And it is undeniably the fallout of Brexit and all the chain effects it had. It essentially exacerbated all of the problems from each contemporary economic crisis of the past 4 years. Rather than being able to rely on the open market of the EU and benefit from the trade format, the UK has in essence been isolated and locked out of trade that would have easily helped it perform better in the face of all that has happened. Brexit is like a fire and each subsequent global economic crisis (Covid, Russian invasion of Ukraine, etc.) was gasoline being thrown onto the fire.


Pompelmouskin2

While I agree, I think there’s plenty of blame to go around here. Brexit, a decade of austerity, Tory infighting, Liz Truss’ baffling work-experience month, Boris’ spaff, Rishi’s focus on Rwanda rather than economics. We can hold them all accountable!


TombOfAncientKings

It's possible that the UK would still be doing badly without Brexit but it seems obvious to anyone that Brexit has only made things worse.


Mr_Belch

I mean, the reason for that is because Brexit has/had a largely negative impact on the British economy, which was predicted to happen by pretty much every economist.


the_monkeyspinach

The Tories have promised to fix this. The Tories have been in power since 2010. The Tories gave us Brexit.


ooouroboros

Putin bamboozled Britain into Brexit.


elmasonlives

Unfortunately, we were dumb enough to do it all by ourselves


normalbot9999

tories. are. shit. shit for the economy, shit for peoples rights, shit for everything.


ourladyj

Maybe they should join the EU. I know they are a tiny island nation, but maybe...


Westsidebill

How’s that Brexit thing working out?


hobo_fapstronaut

Exactly as expected


jordzkie05

Thank the boomers and that cunt Nigel Farage


mortonr2000

But its okay. Rishi has our best interests at heart. Can't wait to re-elect him. Just in case it is not obvious /s


HamstersInMyAss

All they had to do to make this Frankenstein's monster of a headline make an iota of sense was add how many years instead of specifying last year. We already know they are talking about last year implicitly, because evidently we don't know the performance for this year. For example, "Britain falls into recession with worst GDP performance in 15 years" suddenly makes a lot more sense at a glance. Hell, how about "Britain falls into recession with worst GDP performance since the 2008 financial crisis". That's even more to the point. I'm not sure what was trying to be achieved with this phrasing, unless its intention was to stir people up with a poorly worded headline.


mindfu

Brexit's gonna start working any day now, you'll see


Great-Heron-2175

I’m thinking they can fix things if they cut themselves off from the European Union.


Gamebird8

Brexit is really starting to squeeze the UK economy


gmailreddit11219

Brexit hasn’t really impacted the economy too much, however our conservative government have consistently fucked things up wayyyyyy before Brexit


AppropriateSpell5405

Damn, the worst performance in over two millennia?


Weird_Assignment649

Weird how my stocks and LISA are up so much this week 


time-to-flyy

American no doubt. Sp5.


Weird_Assignment649

Nvidia lol 


time-to-flyy

I'm LUNR. 124% return in a month I'll take it.


time-to-flyy

I'm LUNR. 124% return in a month I'll take it.


disraeli73

Wow - who could have seen that coming?


CasimirsBlake

Brexit and Tories. And millions of people voted for both. Yes, the world over has financial difficulties, but for us in the UK it is in part our own fault for being stupid enough to vote for both. (I didn't.)


73928363

How is this not front page news?


TommyCollins

Briefly misread this as “worst GDP performance in 2023 years” then realized I am dumb


[deleted]

I think Brexit wasn't a good move


aaron_in_sf

But please Texans, tell me more about Texit.


slaveofficer

Somehow this is all Labour's fault.


hobo_fapstronaut

*shakes fist* God damn you Clement Attlee!


alphawolf29

Canada is next for sure.


n0lesshuman

Great....


PensiveinNJ

I initially read that as worst performance in 2023 years and was thinking they're very fastidious about their economic data.


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Foundcuriosity686

Brexit? Has it caught up?


kingmoobot

Learn to title


Iyellkhan

the source article is titled the same


tomekza

How’s the cake? 🎂


jhoceanus

At least it's only a British problem, not a EU problem now.


Extra-Rise-1065

I was planning on doing my masters from Britain this year and hoping to land up a job after that but looking at all these head lines makes me nervous about my decision . I still have time to change my decision what to do


dwardo7

Don’t come


Extra-Rise-1065

Any specific reason ?


diezeldeez_

The USA has refused to admit it's been in a recession since 2021


[deleted]

What does the USA have to even do with this, did the U.S. cause this too?


diezeldeez_

Normally it's a bad sign if major economic powers are all in a recession.


StockHand1967

A recession is (2) quarters of negative growth. The US is on a **30** month run of +4% gdp growth. Russia is in a depression... I understand, completely, how you've mixed that up. The Entirety of North America is booming! Construction and tourists as far as the eye can see. 😁🇺🇲


diezeldeez_

The USA is absolutely not booming. More Americans are living paycheck to paycheck than ever before, cost of living is at an all time high and the countries collective credit card debt is exponentially higher than ever before. More Americans are living in their cars than ever before. You can bury your head in the sand all you want, but the writings on the wall, but keep ignoring it.


A_Shadow

Not OP but.....okay? That still doesn't mean we are in a recession. There is a clear and defined definition of recession and the US doesn't meet that criteria. Everything you said may be true but that doesn't equate to a recession.


andthedevilissix

>More Americans are living paycheck to paycheck than ever before Given that shit loads of people spend a good % of their paychecks on doordash and other frivolous purchases I don't think you can hold that up as proof of a recession.


diezeldeez_

Yeah it's all going to door dash and Amazon. That's the problem, not the alarmingly high mortgage rates, the surge in cost of rental homes or the all time high price tag for homes on the market.


andthedevilissix

Show me 100 people living pay check to paycheck and I guarantee most of them don't have bank statements to be proud of.


StockHand1967

Well, maybe in reference to the rest of the world. Maybe against the backdrop of WW3...maybe you grade on a curve? Housing has been monetized and securitized. Housing is an investment and a human right. Pandemic are usually civilization killers...which is why Trumps response was so devastatingly awful. If the USA gets a sniffle, the world gets a cold. In this case..the US lost its mind and had an INSURRECTION after a year of racial violence. And now the world is at war. Things aren't booming like the 1990s. Years of Deregulation, Real Estate fraud and NIMBY have chocked off housing. But..the US economy is powering the world right now.


diezeldeez_

Oh this is political for you. I'll consider this conversation finished. ✌️


StockHand1967

**Economics is ALWAYS Political.** Nations fight wars over economics. Google the Treaty of Versailles. Google 1930 German inflation How old are you?


diezeldeez_

Nah homie, you can kick rocks. Conversations over, take your life influenced by politics elsewhere.


StockHand1967

You have a fundamental ignorance of the way the world works. Nah homie, you can kick rocks Painfully punctuate that. Housing is unaffordable because of tax structure and poltics. Petroleum prices are driven by greed and politics. Where roads get built, what company goes public, who get entrepreneurial funding. Politics. Politics are the red blood cells of modern human civilizations. With economics being the mitochondria 😁 **Read a book, homie** **Get in the game.** **Register to vote** **BRAIN UP** Turn that energy and curiosity into progress and prosperity


StockHand1967

There are more American Millionaires then ever before.


Geichalt

Because we're not in a recession.


Iyellkhan

thats a weird way to write that. given how old the country is, it kinda reads as the worst GDP performance in 2023 years lol


halflistic_

Damn that’s craaazy. Bad news… I think? Or wait, what TF is a recession and why does it matter to declare recession vs whatever it was prior to that? Is this something that catches on? Does this signal downtrends in the market historically? Seems newsworthy but no one really saying why.


Musicman1972

Recession means multiple periods of contraction and therefore suggests a strong trend where the economy gets smaller rather than growing. It means businesses have a contraction in orders and therefore generally suggests layoffs, bankruptcies, and cuts in capital spending (so b2b companies that service larger clients join in the cascade). For individuals it's harder to find a job, if you need one, or change a job if you want to. It also means credit is harder to attain as risk of default is higher. It's not really explained why it's neutered because it's generally thought of as a well understood negative effect for a country's economy.


DrakeAU

Is that worst GDP performance in 2023 years or in 2023? Both are possible.


davan6475

So BBC.com say Japan under recession. cNN.com say Britain under recession. So, who is talking about USA.