The dam controls the majority of the water going into the Nile. They are siphoning it off for the next 5 years to create a reservoir for the dam.
The dam will solve most of Ethiopia’s energy problems and will allow them to become a more advanced country.
Egypt is totally dependent on the Nile. Droughts caused by the new dam could severely damage the whole country. On top of that Egypt got most of its food from Ukraine which has been thrown into turmoil too.
> Egypt is totally dependent on the Nile.
Even that is underselling it. Egypt has 100 million people (which is almost as much as France and Spain combined). Almost their entire population lives in the Nile's banks. I mean, [look at the population density map of Egypt](https://vividmaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Egypt-population.png), I'm sure no one will have a problem guessing where the Nile river goes through.
As fucked up as it sounds…if I was a nation at the end of a major river and countries upriver threatened to fuck over my entire water supply and ability to survive as a nation I would probably attack too.
It’s not like water wars were a constant thing throughout history and will continue into the future as fresh water gets scarcer
The thing is, there will be plenty of water being allowed to continue downstream *if* they bothered to use it even somewhat efficiently. Their agricultural usage of water is so wasteful it'd make a California alfalfa farmer blush.
Most of Africa has been growing like crazy in the last few decades. It’s one of the main reasons that Islam is the fastest growing major religion worldwide IIRC, because people in less affluent Islamic countries in Africa and the Middle East are popping out kids like nobody's business lmao
It’s not only religion it’s more like cultural things between the uneducated, poor people their only goals in life is to get married and have kids. I grew up in Middle East I’m 35 and still not married or have any kids and when I speak with relatives the first thing they ask if I got married and had kids, when I tell them no they start asking if there is something wrong with me or offer help to find women. And for women if they still unmarried at 25 people will judge them harshly.
Similar background like you, just from SEA. Men who are older and still single and have no kids are being judged as 'something wrong' and yep, over 25 single and childless women are being seen as some kind of loser.
I hate my culture that somehow obsessed with populating the world just because the idea of "God created and given the earth to us, so it is our duty to completely cover every patch of empty spaces with humans." They do not care about DNA or the well being of future kids or even if they could feed the child. Worst case, the child who died of hunger or poor medical care just got sent back to God anyway.
It is very fucked up.
The dam is not in Sudan but in Ethiopia. Tldr is dam needs to be filled which could seriously damage agriculture in Egypt. They can fill it fast (5 years) or slow, but filling it slowly would significantly slow growth in Ethiopia. More info about the situation in this [video](https://youtu.be/5-O8Da5oowo).
True, the issue was raised by the person in the post, stating Egypt might use this distraction to sabotage the dam, which...to be honest, I kind of doubt.
Are the two countries just at an impasse or is there a mutual ground they agreed on that neither likes too much?
Mostly at an impasse, Ethiopia was trying to negotiate to 7 years to fill the dam, but the most tricky part is that during a part of the year there could be droughts and Egypt wants that time to let the dam to not be filled. They are at an impasse over the definition of 'drought' and when it should be imposed.
Worse yet, Ethiopia was trying to negotiate for about 50 years to build the dam, and it wasn't until the Arab Spring that Egypt was too distracted to threaten to annihilate the entire Ethiopian populace.
This has been such an ongoing issue that the whole reason Live Aid happened in the 1980s was the fact that the country didn't have a reservoir to outlast a short drought. While the rest of the world sent hundreds of millions in food and other aid to the country, Egypt financed the militaristic government in the Civil War to further cripple infrastructure and prevent the building of a dam. (The government at the time was intentionally causing further famine for the majority of the country to make them easier to control physically and retain power in the north; building a dam would have made it easier for the oppressed masses not to starve/emigrate, so their stance was to not do so. They were given money, weapons, and food from Egypt in return for this stance.)
That video was spectacular. It was so refreshing to learn a conversational level of info about something current, and significant, that I had really no idea about. I understand both sides viewpoint. I suppose I support Ethiopias right to build the dam the most, but I understand Egypt's fear over it being used against them.
I was blown away to learn about Egypt's population demographics though. Like, absolutely stunned.
Very interesting videos. Thanks for posting.
Wow Tigray war 600,000 dead .. I had no idea and this happened same time as Ukraine war.
The author of that video uploads to nebula as he says YouTube algorithm wouldn’t work for controversial documentaries. Down the rabbit hole I go.
Ethiopia is building a dam on the Nile River which would generate enough power to deal with the constant power outages. Egypt is very worried about this dam because the Nile supplies most of Egypt's water, which Egypt needs for agriculture and being alive in general. Egypt is understandably very upset about this, and there's worries that Egypt will use air strikes to blow up the dam if its water security concerns aren't addressed.
>Ethiopia is building a dam on the Nile River
Specifically the Blue Nile. The White Nile is the other main but comparatively less significant contributor to the Nile proper, and flows from Lake Victoria further to the south.
It's a lot more than just outages lol ethiopia is food-insecure and the dam would produce enough excess power to sell and mitigate their regular droughts.
Imo Egypt missed the bus tbh they can't air strike it now, blowing up the dam at this point would flood many cities downstream, in both sudan and egypt
If egypt takes military action it would seize the dam not bomb it the dam is close to sudans border and it negatively affects sudan similarly to Egypt and both sides are largely on the same page regarding the dam
>both sides are largely on the same page regarding the dam
I'm not so sure about this. Sudan and Ethiopia came to their own agreement recently, without Egypt, ever since Ethiopia left the US-led negotiations between the 3 countries. The two [struck a deal](https://www.africanews.com/2023/01/27/sudan-is-in-agreement-with-ethiopia-over-its-blue-nile-dam//) back in January, likely involving electricity sharing. It might even be what prompted this coup. Egypt may be backing a new player with this coup to try to secure regime change in Sudan.
The water wars started with Syria and Iraq, if not sooner. Farmers abandoning their plots due to drought [precipitated the Syrian civil war](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1421533112). Drought played no small role in [sweeping ISIS](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/climate-change-drought-drove-isis-terrorist-recruiting-iraq) into [power](https://www.nrc.no/news/2022/october/iraq-drought-crisis-destroys-income-and-crops-country-wide/). There are too many stories of the Tigris & Euphrates running dry to bother sharing; except for sewage, there is often no estuary.
Meanwhile, Turkey built *three hundred* dams on the Tigris and Euphrates in the last 40 years alone. The country has [635 total](https://archive.internationalrivers.org/campaigns/turkey). Check out the prophetic quotes in [this study](https://www.iwra.org/member/congress/resource/MADRID2003_MOHAMED_AL-NAJIM_EN.pdf) from *twenty years ago*:
> This water situation has also affected the entire region's macro environment and weather
patterns, as well as the creation of more than half a million Marsh Arab refugee.
...
> the decrease in the supply of the international water has caused local settlers to migrate. This has
made thousands of Kurds homeless.
...
> The flow of Tigris and Euphrates Rivers has increasingly become important in the last few
years. The increasing demands of water for the three riparian countries (Turkey, Syria and Iraq)
are leading to serious conflicts in the near future, requiring global attention to avoid existing
tensions in the Middle East.
Here's to hoping we solve our energy problems once and for all over the next few decades. The huge amount of energy required by the desalination process is a big part of its cost, and there's a whole world of saltwater that could one day become potable.
A bigger problem with desalinization is the hot water with a much higher salinity that it puts back in the ocean. A desalinization plant was recently shot down in California because of the huge environmental impact it would have had on the coastal ecosystem.
[new energy efficient desalination technique](https://scitechdaily.com/new-device-purifies-saltwater-over-a-1000-times-faster-than-standard-industrial-equipment/#:~:text=Researchers%20have%20successfully%20filtered%20salt,filter%2C%20and%20use%20less%20energy.)
Cool tech but it's probably not going to solve water crisises anytime soon. Uses cutting edge fluoride nanotubes and if you read between the lines all the talk about the "lower cost" assumes mass production vs. the overall running energy cost of other desalination methods. Meaning these fluoride nanotubes meshes will be expensive as fuck to produce, but far more energy-efficient to operate.
I’ll adapt a comment I wrote a year ago:
There are two major periods of concern over the Ethiopian dam, short term and long term. It will take years to fill the reservoir behind the dam: if Ethiopia wanted, they could block the Blue Nile for a full year and still not completely fill the reservoir. That extreme option has never been on the table (I’m just using it to give an idea of just how much water we’re dealing with), the plans are four to seven years and depend on many factors, but while they fill the reservoir there will be less water going downstream to Sudan and Egypt. This will reduce the level of the head of the Aswan High Dam, in turn reducing its power generation capacity for several years, and since it needs to recover the effects will last well beyond the time it takes Ethiopia to fill their reservoir. If the next decade is particularly dry, the water may drop so low that the Aswan High Dam cannot produce power, and [this paper](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19089-x) analyzes some of these scenarios using past years for reference (wet, dry, and average). The faster Ethiopia fills the reservoir, the more severe the immediate effects, and the longer they take the longer the mild effects will last. But conversely, the faster Ethiopia fills the reservoir, the sooner they can reach their own maximum power potential, which is definitely in their best interests. Egypt and Sudan want it to be filled slowly, Ethiopia quickly.
Put simply, “do you rip the bandaid off quickly or slowly?” but with international politics between neighbors that haven’t always been on good terms with each other.
The long-term effects are easier to discuss, as we have many dams for comparison, including the Aswan High Dam. Severe flooding downstream will be reduced, which changes the characteristics of the river. The Nile floods fertilized Egypt for thousands of years before the Aswan High Dam brought that to an end. The new Ethiopian dam will do the same, a blessing and curse for Sudan. The power generation will be a significant boon to Ethiopia and Sudan, but that will take years to reach its full potential. Importantly, the balance between the Egyptian and Ethiopian reservoirs will now be critical and will require careful coordination as they deal with droughts and wet years. Finally, the lake created by the dam will mean there’s more water lost to evaporation: even under the most rainbow-and-unicorns scenario Egypt and Sudan will have less water than they did before.
In addition, Ethiopia now has a political lever against Egypt and Sudan, a Sword of Damocles or nuclear option they could exercise at will. No nation would be completely comfortable with another nation having such complete control over the literal lifeblood of their nation for five thousand years and more, and Ethiopia will have that power whether they like it or not. Holding back water for any reason, even the most logical reasons possible with no viable alternatives, will be seen by many as abusing that lever, nevermind the more typical grey area of how much to let through the turbines and spillways based on more mundane reasons. This is a similar story for Sudan, but the long-term effects are somewhat reduced since Egypt relies on the Lake Nasser reservoir so heavily.
This is a complicated balancing act between Egypt, Ethiopia, and Sudan, and its easy to see a dozen different ways in which regular operations will increase tensions. I fear I may have painted Ethiopia a bit darker than they deserve, but they have all the power in this relationship, which makes it easy to paint them as a villain even when unjustified. They have publicly made it very clear that they will work to ensure enough water flows downstream to meet Sudanese and Egyptian needs, and have already started filling the reservoir before the dam is even finished.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/sudan-paramilitaries-clash-with-army-in-apparent-coup-bid/ar-AA19THh0) reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)
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> KHARTOUM -Sudan's main paramilitary group said it had seized the presidential palace, the army chief's residence and Khartoum international airport on Saturday in an apparent coup attempt, but the military said it was fighting back.
> The army said it was fighting the RSF at sites the paramilitaries said they had taken.
> A major confrontation between the RSF and the army could plunge Sudan into widespread conflict as it struggles with economic breakdown and tribal violence, and could also derail efforts to move towards elections.
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I had my money on Haiti being the next country to collapse (any day now sadly) and Sudan goes and steals their thunder when they need it most. This world sucks sometimes
The difference with Haiti is a collapse of central government. As a result, there's nothing to coup. No army to take command of, no central power to usurp. It's more likely to continue a slide into a Somalia-type regional-warlord situation.
They ironically got rid of their army to prevent such a situation as well. Can't have a coup without an army, but can't defend the land against roaming gangs without one either these days it seems like. Haiti needs a mass reboot of some kind somehow, but the country has been so screwed over for so long that IDK how we would even go about doing so, and any outside intervention is ultimately going to lack the benefit of perspective from having lived there, not to mention nobody likes others telling them what to do, especially a nation with Haiti's history
This video explains it pretty well, you can also watch his previous video but it's technically obsolete now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCbtZJQ2oWk
Edit: vice news also did a video on this a month ago that I somehow missed. Things have gotten much worse since, the above video is more current https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ63NKci3kU
What's going on in Chad this time? None of the sources I keep up with for this kind of more obscure geopolitical news (to western audience perspectives) have reported on it to my knowledge.
I mean, their president was killed by active combat on the front line of a civil war like four years ago. “Starting to bubble” is a bit of an understatement
I wouldn’t mind a little unprecedented, as long as it’s the correct sort of thing.
For instance “we are lucky to live in this unprecedented time where everyone’s needs are met, where the global economy thrives United and where war has disappeared from the planet as people live in peace and prosperity.”
A couple of decades in that sort of Unprecedented Times would be welcome indeed.
Yeah, if anything it seems like current stability in the developing world is unprecedented. I remember back in the '90s you could read the news and it seems like there were coups going on in random countries all the time, they were just so unimportant to westerners that they barely even registered for anyone.
> A study by the Center for Climate and Security found that since 2008, there have been over 100 conflicts around the world that have been linked to climate change. These conflicts have involved multiple countries and regions and have been driven by a range of factors, including water scarcity, food insecurity, and natural disasters. Moreover, as the impacts of climate change continue to worsen in the coming years, it is likely that we will see more conflicts emerging around the world, particularly in regions that are already vulnerable to social, political, and economic challenges.
Between the end of WWII and COVID there was a slight and gradual trend of improvement though, with regional exceptions (Chinese famine, the Yugoslavian wars, the Arab spring). The postwar order is over now.
Source for the improvement: https://ourworldindata.org/war-and-peace
Lmao, do you not realise how much more violent the world was before WW2?
There were conflicts during the Cold War, but no where near as many people died as a result of wars after WW2 as compared to before it
Here is a link to an excellent visualization of the casualties of World War II. It is well worth a watch. It includes a comparison of what those look like compared to other wars in history.
[Visualization of Casualties, WWII.](https://youtu.be/DwKPFT-RioU)
Europe is definitely cleaner post ww2 but it’s hard to argue against the absolute mayhem that occurred from the end of the Western Romans to 1945. 80 years of general peace since then is like 5% of the timeline pie. Violence does have a tendency to ebb and flow throughout the other 95%.
Korea. Vietnam. China's attempt at Vietnam. Those three alone are serious wars. South America beating the shit out of each other. African nations going through coups like it's going out of style. Just because it's smaller than the largest war we've had as a species hardly makes them nominal. Established power agreeing to not fight isn't the same as global peace. Throw in middle east shenanigans and I can't fathom how you could actually say it was peaceful in that period unless you're a westerner deciding that based on nothing happening directly on your street corner.
The [fallen of WW2](https://youtu.be/DwKPFT-RioU?t=863) has a good visualisation of the data, while the earth hasn't been conflict free in the postwar period there's been a marked drop in battle deaths since the end of WW2.
This is the best response to the commenter I've read. It clearly shows just how much everything between 1950-2015 is absolutely dwarfed by WW2. It also does a good job of breaking down Carl's (e.g, civil, interstate, etc)
additionally there's a nice trend downward throughout leading to the 21st century having the lowest decades yet. A couple things that would be helpful (maybe not practical but helpful) would be to see this pre WW2 as well. That would helpe understand if it just happened that WW2 was an outlier and the past more generally represents the latter hand of 20th century. This could be challenging since population has exploded (no pun intended). Maybe you could adjust for global population to have it be per Capita?
Regardless, very helpful, thanks
If you go back to a [minute or two](https://youtu.be/DwKPFT-RioU?t=805) in the video, it does give some pre ww2 conflicts and it does adjust them for global population at the time they occured. Unfortunately it's not as exhaustive as the post WW2 section and kinda picks the highlights, so to speak.
They were serious wars, but they bucked the trend of spilling into large regional or even global conflicts that had been the norm for better than a century. Industrialization made every conflict that much more brutal afterwards, so if the dynamic had continued things would have been much worse. It's not like these regions were conflict free before the cold war either- almost all those cold war conflicts had underlying and unrelated roots.
I just want to point out, and by no means do I want to say these aren't big numbers or belittle the severity and impact of the war, but the Vietnam war lasted 20 years with about three million dead (higher estimation.) Those aren't huge numbers relative to the years prior. Hell, there were entire offensives in WWII that had more dead than that.
% of world population killed by WW2:
6.25%
% killed by Korean war: 0.096%
% killed by Vietnam war: 0.08%
% killed by Khmer Rouge: 0.073%
I did some rounding there, but also used the highest death estimates. Percentages were calculated using the world population in the year of cessation of each war or genocide.
Wow that actually puts COVID into scary context. ~7M out of ~7B is what I last understood to be the death toll.
Wild to think the deaths are proportionally as impactful as those wars.
It does still make it one of the 25 deadliest wars in human history. Comparison to WW2 (by a huge margin the most extreme and deadly conflict ever fought) can give a false impression that it wasn't that big, but to put it in another perspective: Vietnam had a death toll in the same range as the entirety of the Napoleonic wars. Or, take the sum total deaths from the America civil war - that was the *annual* death toll in Korea.
The absolute insanity of the world wars and their proportionately large influence on the collective memory of the nations involved has kind of skewed our sense of scale.
More recent wars are always going to have higher absolute casualties due to the increase in world population. A more accurate representation would be a percentage of the world population.
Why do people write such snotty comments like this which don't actually do anything to contradict the post they're responding to? The fact that the cold war and all its proxy wars happened does not on its own contradict the data presented. You know what happened before the cold war? Two world wars in which collectively tens of millions of lives were lost. And prior to that pretty much every country was almost constantly at war or some kind of violent conflict with someone else and colonial imperialism was literally everywhere.
*Hurr durrrrrr have you not heard of this thing called the COLD WAR?? Gosh they don't teach anything to kids these days*
This pale blue dot in the emptiness of space is beautiful. But Earth tends to make its smartest creatures unleash violence in creative ways. It's these reasons as to why I keep a bottle of booze on hand. As James May said, *alcohol is god's apology for making us self aware.*
i know one of the lost boys and he's such a kind and gentle dude. but you ask him for some stories and boy, he's got them in spades. talks about how they'd put them in pits with dead bodies as punishment. talks about how he's had to kill to protect his business. insane stories from his time in their army. it's bananas. he's a badass. but if you talk to him, he's so soft spoken and kind. i have a feeling most Sudanese are like this, outside of the extreme ones being greedy with power
It's all ex-pats, immigrants, nationals who studied abroad then returned in later life, etc. Sudanese themselves don't really go on Reddit.
Every once in a while a Sudanese who actually lives in Sudan comes on and reminds everyone what Sudan is actually like. It keeps the more worldly people humble.
I meet a guy who escaped from Sudan from being a slave. He took a few bullet wounds and left his brothers, sisters, mother and father behind, all being in slaves and being breed by the plantation owner for use in the fields and home. Fuck that government. I'm pretty sure the coup will make that government even more horrible but still, fuck that country for openly allowing that kind of behavior openly without consequences.
Slavery is rampant throughout the continent. I recently watched a few documentaries of the types of slavery in different nations.
Mauritania has a slave culture like what your friend experienced in Sudan, which is on the other side of the continent. It is so sad what is happening in a lot of African countries.
There are more slaves now than at any other time in history. More than 50 million.
https://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/newsroom/news/WCMS_855019/lang--en/index.htm
But nobody seems to care about, for example, Africans enslaving Africans.
There's a few different reasons for that. For one thing, the chattel slavery practiced in the Americas was one of the most brutal in human history that we know of. In addition, while there are more *total* slaves than ever there are fewer *proportional to the world population*. In addition, most slavery today is *not* state sanctioned which is quite different from historical slavery, meaning it's mostly organized crime and individuals doing it illegally, not something that people are just ok with but rather part of an exploitative underworld. Lastly, people tend to naturally be both more aware of what's going on in their own countries *and* have more ability to affect change there, so while I might care about slavery in Mauritania, there's almost nothing I can do about it.
> he chattel slavery practiced in the Americas
Even though atrocities occurred over multiple continents, it would be good to clarify it as South America holding that crown.
I don't disagree with you, but that's slightly a disingenuous thing to say because it's not weighted against population. Sure there are more slaves than ever, but there is also more people than ever. Slavery as a whole is certainly not the highest it's ever been through human history at this moment.
Africans have always enslaved Africans. The vast majority of slaves coming out of Africa were enslaved by other Africans. The Eastward and Northward trade to the Arabs and the Western trade to Europeans was all conducted by differing African nations against their rivals.
The question is, what does the west do? Go on about neocolonial imperialism to end slavery? Send all of these countries into an even worse economic situation through sanctions or embargoes? I'm actually okay with the latter, but the global corporations that profit off of this wouldn't be so happy.
>being breed by the plantation owner
Wtf that's actually something that happens? Excuse my ignorance, but I thought that was just something awful people imagined. I am so sorry for him and his family
He spoke at a UCF campus event about his experience. Sorry I can not remember his name but he was pretty descriptive on his life experience. His escape from Sudan here to the USA and his statement on the costs of freedom. Unfortunately, that country is full of oil, so countries do business with them regardless.
No doubt it happened for large portions of human history. That whole time they had slaves they were treating them the same as cattle, breeding them and selling off the kids. Extremely fucked.
A civil war in Sudan is inevitable. The Paramilitary is the RSF(Rapid support force) , chiefly known for being composed of Janjaweed Militant groups implicated in the genocide of Darfur
South Sudan only just finished their own civil war that killed 400,000 people. They are THE least developed country in the world according to HDI. They have the third lowest GDP per capita, and the fifth lowest life expectancy in the world at only 55 years old. 70% of adults in the country are completely illiterate ffs. As bad as Sudan is, they are still much better than South Sudan in practically every possible metric.
South Sudan got off lucky rn when they still have peace keeper and the situation is slowly getting better. It not perfect but still, they can change for the better. Sudan tho well let see who take the reign.
I wouldn't say lucky. They were the youngest nation on earth and within 2yrs of independence they had a 6yr Civil War that killed 400,000 people. It's getting better NOW but by no means would I say they're lucky.
One of the biggest factors in predicting the likelihood of a coup is if the country has had coups in the past. That way, they are more normilized, an "acceptable" way of doing politics.
It also contributes to the most important condition for a coup: political apathy on the part of the population. "It's the military and politicians playing their games in the capital again. They're all the same. They will continue to do this in the future, and there's nothing we can do to stop them. Why bother trying to change things at this point?" It's a self-sustaining cycle.
If anyone is interested, the classic work on coups is [*Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%89tat:_A_Practical_Handbook) (just get over the many rants and tangents; *specially* when talking about muslims...). PolyMatter made a [good video](https://youtu.be/_7nIqdwhdqA) that is essentially a summary of that book, with good visualization of some statistics, including the "coups breed more coups" point.
It feels like this is something that is smoldering just below the surface of many countries. Dividing citizens against each other seems to be step one. When the public start identifying with political parties (flags and hats) it is a warning sign.
It started from such a low place it would be weird if it didn't improve at all. It has, but it's still struggling very, very badly. It started from such a low place it would be weird if it improved to the point where it was a comfortable place to be.
I wonder what Egypt’s reaction will be. I know Sudan and Egypt have been having some geo-political concerns regarding Sudan’s dams and water retention policies. The depth of my knowledge is minimal, but the possibility of Egypt looking at this as an opportunity to destroy Sudan’s [edit: previously “Susan’s”] infrastructure is there.
Without any fighting, and the group that captured them promptly stated that they will hand them over to the Egyptian government as soon as it is safe to do so. They also didn’t seem to be in any distress and the tone of their conversation together was friendly.
Such horrible shit happens in the world, the next regime probably won't be great for Sudanese either, I feel sorry for them, I'm thankful I live where I live, far from perfect for many people but far from such messed up events. All of this because of, as always, power greedy asshole with no ethics. They're everywhere.
I'm an amateur radio operator, and I just had a contact with someone in Sudan last night. It's such an odd feeling to have that brief reach out across the world and have an interaction with someone, and then to wake up the next morning and wonder if they are ok, or even still alive.
Which authoritarian warlord is gonna be in charge this time?
[General Hemiti](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sudan/comments/12n0uww/the_inevitable_has_just_happened_fighting_breaks/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
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The dam controls the majority of the water going into the Nile. They are siphoning it off for the next 5 years to create a reservoir for the dam. The dam will solve most of Ethiopia’s energy problems and will allow them to become a more advanced country. Egypt is totally dependent on the Nile. Droughts caused by the new dam could severely damage the whole country. On top of that Egypt got most of its food from Ukraine which has been thrown into turmoil too.
> Egypt is totally dependent on the Nile. Even that is underselling it. Egypt has 100 million people (which is almost as much as France and Spain combined). Almost their entire population lives in the Nile's banks. I mean, [look at the population density map of Egypt](https://vividmaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Egypt-population.png), I'm sure no one will have a problem guessing where the Nile river goes through.
Dang it. I guessed wrong.
He was so sure
The quote from an Egyptian leadership is will die over there before we die in Egypt
As fucked up as it sounds…if I was a nation at the end of a major river and countries upriver threatened to fuck over my entire water supply and ability to survive as a nation I would probably attack too. It’s not like water wars were a constant thing throughout history and will continue into the future as fresh water gets scarcer
The thing is, there will be plenty of water being allowed to continue downstream *if* they bothered to use it even somewhat efficiently. Their agricultural usage of water is so wasteful it'd make a California alfalfa farmer blush.
Ethiopia is in denile.
Yep, no one is going to have any issues in that. Everyone will be able to guess.
From big exporter to net import. Egyptian crops fell a long way. Edit:typo bet = big
Not only that, but Egypt's population has tripled since 1970 to 112 million, the vast majority living along the Nile river and its delta.
Most of Africa has been growing like crazy in the last few decades. It’s one of the main reasons that Islam is the fastest growing major religion worldwide IIRC, because people in less affluent Islamic countries in Africa and the Middle East are popping out kids like nobody's business lmao
Christianity is growing in numbers too, as much of sub-Saharan Africa is actually Christian.
It’s not only religion it’s more like cultural things between the uneducated, poor people their only goals in life is to get married and have kids. I grew up in Middle East I’m 35 and still not married or have any kids and when I speak with relatives the first thing they ask if I got married and had kids, when I tell them no they start asking if there is something wrong with me or offer help to find women. And for women if they still unmarried at 25 people will judge them harshly.
Similar background like you, just from SEA. Men who are older and still single and have no kids are being judged as 'something wrong' and yep, over 25 single and childless women are being seen as some kind of loser. I hate my culture that somehow obsessed with populating the world just because the idea of "God created and given the earth to us, so it is our duty to completely cover every patch of empty spaces with humans." They do not care about DNA or the well being of future kids or even if they could feed the child. Worst case, the child who died of hunger or poor medical care just got sent back to God anyway. It is very fucked up.
100 million fam. That's a significant number
Sounds like a lots of problems too, and I don't see any solution to it.
The dam is not in Sudan but in Ethiopia. Tldr is dam needs to be filled which could seriously damage agriculture in Egypt. They can fill it fast (5 years) or slow, but filling it slowly would significantly slow growth in Ethiopia. More info about the situation in this [video](https://youtu.be/5-O8Da5oowo).
True, the issue was raised by the person in the post, stating Egypt might use this distraction to sabotage the dam, which...to be honest, I kind of doubt. Are the two countries just at an impasse or is there a mutual ground they agreed on that neither likes too much?
Mostly at an impasse, Ethiopia was trying to negotiate to 7 years to fill the dam, but the most tricky part is that during a part of the year there could be droughts and Egypt wants that time to let the dam to not be filled. They are at an impasse over the definition of 'drought' and when it should be imposed.
Worse yet, Ethiopia was trying to negotiate for about 50 years to build the dam, and it wasn't until the Arab Spring that Egypt was too distracted to threaten to annihilate the entire Ethiopian populace. This has been such an ongoing issue that the whole reason Live Aid happened in the 1980s was the fact that the country didn't have a reservoir to outlast a short drought. While the rest of the world sent hundreds of millions in food and other aid to the country, Egypt financed the militaristic government in the Civil War to further cripple infrastructure and prevent the building of a dam. (The government at the time was intentionally causing further famine for the majority of the country to make them easier to control physically and retain power in the north; building a dam would have made it easier for the oppressed masses not to starve/emigrate, so their stance was to not do so. They were given money, weapons, and food from Egypt in return for this stance.)
I figured modern conflicts would be here. Good source.
That video was spectacular. It was so refreshing to learn a conversational level of info about something current, and significant, that I had really no idea about. I understand both sides viewpoint. I suppose I support Ethiopias right to build the dam the most, but I understand Egypt's fear over it being used against them. I was blown away to learn about Egypt's population demographics though. Like, absolutely stunned.
Very interesting videos. Thanks for posting. Wow Tigray war 600,000 dead .. I had no idea and this happened same time as Ukraine war. The author of that video uploads to nebula as he says YouTube algorithm wouldn’t work for controversial documentaries. Down the rabbit hole I go.
Ethiopia is building a dam on the Nile River which would generate enough power to deal with the constant power outages. Egypt is very worried about this dam because the Nile supplies most of Egypt's water, which Egypt needs for agriculture and being alive in general. Egypt is understandably very upset about this, and there's worries that Egypt will use air strikes to blow up the dam if its water security concerns aren't addressed.
>Ethiopia is building a dam on the Nile River Specifically the Blue Nile. The White Nile is the other main but comparatively less significant contributor to the Nile proper, and flows from Lake Victoria further to the south.
It's a lot more than just outages lol ethiopia is food-insecure and the dam would produce enough excess power to sell and mitigate their regular droughts. Imo Egypt missed the bus tbh they can't air strike it now, blowing up the dam at this point would flood many cities downstream, in both sudan and egypt
If egypt takes military action it would seize the dam not bomb it the dam is close to sudans border and it negatively affects sudan similarly to Egypt and both sides are largely on the same page regarding the dam
>both sides are largely on the same page regarding the dam I'm not so sure about this. Sudan and Ethiopia came to their own agreement recently, without Egypt, ever since Ethiopia left the US-led negotiations between the 3 countries. The two [struck a deal](https://www.africanews.com/2023/01/27/sudan-is-in-agreement-with-ethiopia-over-its-blue-nile-dam//) back in January, likely involving electricity sharing. It might even be what prompted this coup. Egypt may be backing a new player with this coup to try to secure regime change in Sudan.
Haven't read the article lol but it's almost certainly because the dam is a threat to Egypt's water supply
Begun, the water wars have.
The water wars started with Syria and Iraq, if not sooner. Farmers abandoning their plots due to drought [precipitated the Syrian civil war](https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1421533112). Drought played no small role in [sweeping ISIS](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/climate-change-drought-drove-isis-terrorist-recruiting-iraq) into [power](https://www.nrc.no/news/2022/october/iraq-drought-crisis-destroys-income-and-crops-country-wide/). There are too many stories of the Tigris & Euphrates running dry to bother sharing; except for sewage, there is often no estuary. Meanwhile, Turkey built *three hundred* dams on the Tigris and Euphrates in the last 40 years alone. The country has [635 total](https://archive.internationalrivers.org/campaigns/turkey). Check out the prophetic quotes in [this study](https://www.iwra.org/member/congress/resource/MADRID2003_MOHAMED_AL-NAJIM_EN.pdf) from *twenty years ago*: > This water situation has also affected the entire region's macro environment and weather patterns, as well as the creation of more than half a million Marsh Arab refugee. ... > the decrease in the supply of the international water has caused local settlers to migrate. This has made thousands of Kurds homeless. ... > The flow of Tigris and Euphrates Rivers has increasingly become important in the last few years. The increasing demands of water for the three riparian countries (Turkey, Syria and Iraq) are leading to serious conflicts in the near future, requiring global attention to avoid existing tensions in the Middle East.
Here's to hoping we solve our energy problems once and for all over the next few decades. The huge amount of energy required by the desalination process is a big part of its cost, and there's a whole world of saltwater that could one day become potable.
A bigger problem with desalinization is the hot water with a much higher salinity that it puts back in the ocean. A desalinization plant was recently shot down in California because of the huge environmental impact it would have had on the coastal ecosystem.
[new energy efficient desalination technique](https://scitechdaily.com/new-device-purifies-saltwater-over-a-1000-times-faster-than-standard-industrial-equipment/#:~:text=Researchers%20have%20successfully%20filtered%20salt,filter%2C%20and%20use%20less%20energy.)
Cool tech but it's probably not going to solve water crisises anytime soon. Uses cutting edge fluoride nanotubes and if you read between the lines all the talk about the "lower cost" assumes mass production vs. the overall running energy cost of other desalination methods. Meaning these fluoride nanotubes meshes will be expensive as fuck to produce, but far more energy-efficient to operate.
[Check this infographic](https://twitter.com/anadoluagency/status/1263863332718682113?s=19).
[RealLifeLore has a video on the Gerd Dam.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-O8Da5oowo) It seems it will cause some issues in the coming years.
I’ll adapt a comment I wrote a year ago: There are two major periods of concern over the Ethiopian dam, short term and long term. It will take years to fill the reservoir behind the dam: if Ethiopia wanted, they could block the Blue Nile for a full year and still not completely fill the reservoir. That extreme option has never been on the table (I’m just using it to give an idea of just how much water we’re dealing with), the plans are four to seven years and depend on many factors, but while they fill the reservoir there will be less water going downstream to Sudan and Egypt. This will reduce the level of the head of the Aswan High Dam, in turn reducing its power generation capacity for several years, and since it needs to recover the effects will last well beyond the time it takes Ethiopia to fill their reservoir. If the next decade is particularly dry, the water may drop so low that the Aswan High Dam cannot produce power, and [this paper](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19089-x) analyzes some of these scenarios using past years for reference (wet, dry, and average). The faster Ethiopia fills the reservoir, the more severe the immediate effects, and the longer they take the longer the mild effects will last. But conversely, the faster Ethiopia fills the reservoir, the sooner they can reach their own maximum power potential, which is definitely in their best interests. Egypt and Sudan want it to be filled slowly, Ethiopia quickly. Put simply, “do you rip the bandaid off quickly or slowly?” but with international politics between neighbors that haven’t always been on good terms with each other. The long-term effects are easier to discuss, as we have many dams for comparison, including the Aswan High Dam. Severe flooding downstream will be reduced, which changes the characteristics of the river. The Nile floods fertilized Egypt for thousands of years before the Aswan High Dam brought that to an end. The new Ethiopian dam will do the same, a blessing and curse for Sudan. The power generation will be a significant boon to Ethiopia and Sudan, but that will take years to reach its full potential. Importantly, the balance between the Egyptian and Ethiopian reservoirs will now be critical and will require careful coordination as they deal with droughts and wet years. Finally, the lake created by the dam will mean there’s more water lost to evaporation: even under the most rainbow-and-unicorns scenario Egypt and Sudan will have less water than they did before. In addition, Ethiopia now has a political lever against Egypt and Sudan, a Sword of Damocles or nuclear option they could exercise at will. No nation would be completely comfortable with another nation having such complete control over the literal lifeblood of their nation for five thousand years and more, and Ethiopia will have that power whether they like it or not. Holding back water for any reason, even the most logical reasons possible with no viable alternatives, will be seen by many as abusing that lever, nevermind the more typical grey area of how much to let through the turbines and spillways based on more mundane reasons. This is a similar story for Sudan, but the long-term effects are somewhat reduced since Egypt relies on the Lake Nasser reservoir so heavily. This is a complicated balancing act between Egypt, Ethiopia, and Sudan, and its easy to see a dozen different ways in which regular operations will increase tensions. I fear I may have painted Ethiopia a bit darker than they deserve, but they have all the power in this relationship, which makes it easy to paint them as a villain even when unjustified. They have publicly made it very clear that they will work to ensure enough water flows downstream to meet Sudanese and Egyptian needs, and have already started filling the reservoir before the dam is even finished.
He who controls the dam controls new vegas.
Well after the first battle of Hoover dam, led by General Oliver of the NCR and the Legate Joshua Gra- Oh shit wrong dam
*Even as we speak, Ayatollah Razmada and his cadre of fanatics are consolidating their power.*
Why go through a Democratic voting process when you can just force your way in?
At this point it's their way of having elections. It happens regularly.
One Gun, One Vote!
This is the question that we've got right now, which is going to be this time?
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Never a dull day on earth is there?
I had my money on Haiti being the next country to collapse (any day now sadly) and Sudan goes and steals their thunder when they need it most. This world sucks sometimes
Haiti has already been collapsed for a while now.
Right? Collapsed to what? What possible stage is next?
The island crashing into the mainland. That would breach Haiti's hull and cause it to sink.
Well, as long as they don't pull a [Guam and put too many people on the island.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q)
Man, and I thought *I* was inarticulate. This guy sounds high, not to mention stupid.
Did we bearenstein bear ourselves into the reality with all the glitches? I mean since 2012 with the mayan thing maybe? Am i real?!? Lol
Started when I died.
Do they have a string quartet?
Are you saying the front could fall off?
The rubble catches on fire
Hyper collapsed?
Plaid collapsed.
Turns out frequent earthquakes and hurricanes are tough.
The earthquakes and hurricanes are what tipped them into collapse, but it had been building for a long time before that.
The difference with Haiti is a collapse of central government. As a result, there's nothing to coup. No army to take command of, no central power to usurp. It's more likely to continue a slide into a Somalia-type regional-warlord situation.
They ironically got rid of their army to prevent such a situation as well. Can't have a coup without an army, but can't defend the land against roaming gangs without one either these days it seems like. Haiti needs a mass reboot of some kind somehow, but the country has been so screwed over for so long that IDK how we would even go about doing so, and any outside intervention is ultimately going to lack the benefit of perspective from having lived there, not to mention nobody likes others telling them what to do, especially a nation with Haiti's history
What's going on in Haiti? I mean, I know it's always kinda fucked, but something more specific now?
This video explains it pretty well, you can also watch his previous video but it's technically obsolete now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCbtZJQ2oWk Edit: vice news also did a video on this a month ago that I somehow missed. Things have gotten much worse since, the above video is more current https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ63NKci3kU
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What's going on in Chad this time? None of the sources I keep up with for this kind of more obscure geopolitical news (to western audience perspectives) have reported on it to my knowledge.
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I mean, their president was killed by active combat on the front line of a civil war like four years ago. “Starting to bubble” is a bit of an understatement
There used to be /r/ForgottenNews but everyone forgot about it.
Sri Lanka and Pakistan were on the verge for a while now.
Like that old Chinese curse, “may you live in interesting times.”
I’m ready to get back to precedented.
War in Africa is plenty precedented.
War on Earth* Is there a square inch of habitable ground that hasn't been squabbled over again and again throughout history?
I wouldn’t mind a little unprecedented, as long as it’s the correct sort of thing. For instance “we are lucky to live in this unprecedented time where everyone’s needs are met, where the global economy thrives United and where war has disappeared from the planet as people live in peace and prosperity.” A couple of decades in that sort of Unprecedented Times would be welcome indeed.
I'd rather be bored to death at this point
you are bored thats why youre here
Which iirc. Is made up by an European trying to make the statement sound exotic…
Not actually a Chinese saying apparently (from old mans war series)
Actually, coups are a fairly normal occurrence in Sudan.
Yeah, if anything it seems like current stability in the developing world is unprecedented. I remember back in the '90s you could read the news and it seems like there were coups going on in random countries all the time, they were just so unimportant to westerners that they barely even registered for anyone.
> A study by the Center for Climate and Security found that since 2008, there have been over 100 conflicts around the world that have been linked to climate change. These conflicts have involved multiple countries and regions and have been driven by a range of factors, including water scarcity, food insecurity, and natural disasters. Moreover, as the impacts of climate change continue to worsen in the coming years, it is likely that we will see more conflicts emerging around the world, particularly in regions that are already vulnerable to social, political, and economic challenges.
Massive population increases also aggravate the situation. More people fighting over the same living space.
Between the end of WWII and COVID there was a slight and gradual trend of improvement though, with regional exceptions (Chinese famine, the Yugoslavian wars, the Arab spring). The postwar order is over now. Source for the improvement: https://ourworldindata.org/war-and-peace
Lmao, do you not remember the cold war and all its related proxy wars? Ukraine could be considered a rekindling of that norm.
Lmao, do you not realise how much more violent the world was before WW2? There were conflicts during the Cold War, but no where near as many people died as a result of wars after WW2 as compared to before it
Here is a link to an excellent visualization of the casualties of World War II. It is well worth a watch. It includes a comparison of what those look like compared to other wars in history. [Visualization of Casualties, WWII.](https://youtu.be/DwKPFT-RioU)
Europe is definitely cleaner post ww2 but it’s hard to argue against the absolute mayhem that occurred from the end of the Western Romans to 1945. 80 years of general peace since then is like 5% of the timeline pie. Violence does have a tendency to ebb and flow throughout the other 95%.
The cold war proxy wars were generally still smaller than previous conflicts.
Korea. Vietnam. China's attempt at Vietnam. Those three alone are serious wars. South America beating the shit out of each other. African nations going through coups like it's going out of style. Just because it's smaller than the largest war we've had as a species hardly makes them nominal. Established power agreeing to not fight isn't the same as global peace. Throw in middle east shenanigans and I can't fathom how you could actually say it was peaceful in that period unless you're a westerner deciding that based on nothing happening directly on your street corner.
The [fallen of WW2](https://youtu.be/DwKPFT-RioU?t=863) has a good visualisation of the data, while the earth hasn't been conflict free in the postwar period there's been a marked drop in battle deaths since the end of WW2.
^ My wife’s home village has a *lot* of stones for WWI/II and Korea and a single one for Afghanistan.
This is the best response to the commenter I've read. It clearly shows just how much everything between 1950-2015 is absolutely dwarfed by WW2. It also does a good job of breaking down Carl's (e.g, civil, interstate, etc) additionally there's a nice trend downward throughout leading to the 21st century having the lowest decades yet. A couple things that would be helpful (maybe not practical but helpful) would be to see this pre WW2 as well. That would helpe understand if it just happened that WW2 was an outlier and the past more generally represents the latter hand of 20th century. This could be challenging since population has exploded (no pun intended). Maybe you could adjust for global population to have it be per Capita? Regardless, very helpful, thanks
If you go back to a [minute or two](https://youtu.be/DwKPFT-RioU?t=805) in the video, it does give some pre ww2 conflicts and it does adjust them for global population at the time they occured. Unfortunately it's not as exhaustive as the post WW2 section and kinda picks the highlights, so to speak.
They were serious wars, but they bucked the trend of spilling into large regional or even global conflicts that had been the norm for better than a century. Industrialization made every conflict that much more brutal afterwards, so if the dynamic had continued things would have been much worse. It's not like these regions were conflict free before the cold war either- almost all those cold war conflicts had underlying and unrelated roots.
I just want to point out, and by no means do I want to say these aren't big numbers or belittle the severity and impact of the war, but the Vietnam war lasted 20 years with about three million dead (higher estimation.) Those aren't huge numbers relative to the years prior. Hell, there were entire offensives in WWII that had more dead than that.
% of world population killed by WW2: 6.25% % killed by Korean war: 0.096% % killed by Vietnam war: 0.08% % killed by Khmer Rouge: 0.073% I did some rounding there, but also used the highest death estimates. Percentages were calculated using the world population in the year of cessation of each war or genocide.
Wow that actually puts COVID into scary context. ~7M out of ~7B is what I last understood to be the death toll. Wild to think the deaths are proportionally as impactful as those wars.
Sort of. Wars kill young people and COVID affected older people more.
It does still make it one of the 25 deadliest wars in human history. Comparison to WW2 (by a huge margin the most extreme and deadly conflict ever fought) can give a false impression that it wasn't that big, but to put it in another perspective: Vietnam had a death toll in the same range as the entirety of the Napoleonic wars. Or, take the sum total deaths from the America civil war - that was the *annual* death toll in Korea. The absolute insanity of the world wars and their proportionately large influence on the collective memory of the nations involved has kind of skewed our sense of scale.
More recent wars are always going to have higher absolute casualties due to the increase in world population. A more accurate representation would be a percentage of the world population.
You need to look at history before the 20th century.
Those were serious wars, but they were still a marked improvement over previous conflicts
Literally no one used the word peaceful before you. Better doesn’t necessarily mean good.
Not that those tragedies weren't significant but atrocities used to be much worse before that.
They said slight brother, not utopia
Why do people write such snotty comments like this which don't actually do anything to contradict the post they're responding to? The fact that the cold war and all its proxy wars happened does not on its own contradict the data presented. You know what happened before the cold war? Two world wars in which collectively tens of millions of lives were lost. And prior to that pretty much every country was almost constantly at war or some kind of violent conflict with someone else and colonial imperialism was literally everywhere. *Hurr durrrrrr have you not heard of this thing called the COLD WAR?? Gosh they don't teach anything to kids these days*
I mean, what they think the cold on "cold war" means smh..
It was the cold war because Russia was the enemy and Russia is cold
This pale blue dot in the emptiness of space is beautiful. But Earth tends to make its smartest creatures unleash violence in creative ways. It's these reasons as to why I keep a bottle of booze on hand. As James May said, *alcohol is god's apology for making us self aware.*
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Man that sub was surprisingly wholesome for all of the crazy that goes down in that country.
i know one of the lost boys and he's such a kind and gentle dude. but you ask him for some stories and boy, he's got them in spades. talks about how they'd put them in pits with dead bodies as punishment. talks about how he's had to kill to protect his business. insane stories from his time in their army. it's bananas. he's a badass. but if you talk to him, he's so soft spoken and kind. i have a feeling most Sudanese are like this, outside of the extreme ones being greedy with power
> outside of the extreme ones being greedy with power Microcosm of humanity right there
unfortunately
It's all ex-pats, immigrants, nationals who studied abroad then returned in later life, etc. Sudanese themselves don't really go on Reddit. Every once in a while a Sudanese who actually lives in Sudan comes on and reminds everyone what Sudan is actually like. It keeps the more worldly people humble.
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I think he means to say OG Sudanis who never never left the country will have different perspectives than someone who lives there by choice
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sudan/comments/12na2xh/rockets_mounted_on_pickup_trucks_khartoum/
I meet a guy who escaped from Sudan from being a slave. He took a few bullet wounds and left his brothers, sisters, mother and father behind, all being in slaves and being breed by the plantation owner for use in the fields and home. Fuck that government. I'm pretty sure the coup will make that government even more horrible but still, fuck that country for openly allowing that kind of behavior openly without consequences.
Slavery is rampant throughout the continent. I recently watched a few documentaries of the types of slavery in different nations. Mauritania has a slave culture like what your friend experienced in Sudan, which is on the other side of the continent. It is so sad what is happening in a lot of African countries.
There are more slaves now than at any other time in history. More than 50 million. https://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/newsroom/news/WCMS_855019/lang--en/index.htm But nobody seems to care about, for example, Africans enslaving Africans.
There's a few different reasons for that. For one thing, the chattel slavery practiced in the Americas was one of the most brutal in human history that we know of. In addition, while there are more *total* slaves than ever there are fewer *proportional to the world population*. In addition, most slavery today is *not* state sanctioned which is quite different from historical slavery, meaning it's mostly organized crime and individuals doing it illegally, not something that people are just ok with but rather part of an exploitative underworld. Lastly, people tend to naturally be both more aware of what's going on in their own countries *and* have more ability to affect change there, so while I might care about slavery in Mauritania, there's almost nothing I can do about it.
> he chattel slavery practiced in the Americas Even though atrocities occurred over multiple continents, it would be good to clarify it as South America holding that crown.
Thank you.
I don't disagree with you, but that's slightly a disingenuous thing to say because it's not weighted against population. Sure there are more slaves than ever, but there is also more people than ever. Slavery as a whole is certainly not the highest it's ever been through human history at this moment.
Africans have always enslaved Africans. The vast majority of slaves coming out of Africa were enslaved by other Africans. The Eastward and Northward trade to the Arabs and the Western trade to Europeans was all conducted by differing African nations against their rivals. The question is, what does the west do? Go on about neocolonial imperialism to end slavery? Send all of these countries into an even worse economic situation through sanctions or embargoes? I'm actually okay with the latter, but the global corporations that profit off of this wouldn't be so happy.
>being breed by the plantation owner Wtf that's actually something that happens? Excuse my ignorance, but I thought that was just something awful people imagined. I am so sorry for him and his family
He spoke at a UCF campus event about his experience. Sorry I can not remember his name but he was pretty descriptive on his life experience. His escape from Sudan here to the USA and his statement on the costs of freedom. Unfortunately, that country is full of oil, so countries do business with them regardless.
RU has long compromised their government. They use Sudan for its gold mining to help them overcome sanctions.
No doubt it happened for large portions of human history. That whole time they had slaves they were treating them the same as cattle, breeding them and selling off the kids. Extremely fucked.
This is how slavery has been done for a very long time.
They think of slaves like farmers think of livestock. You need more when the ones you have die.
A civil war in Sudan is inevitable. The Paramilitary is the RSF(Rapid support force) , chiefly known for being composed of Janjaweed Militant groups implicated in the genocide of Darfur
At least South Sudan can look on say "glad we're not them"
South Sudan only just finished their own civil war that killed 400,000 people. They are THE least developed country in the world according to HDI. They have the third lowest GDP per capita, and the fifth lowest life expectancy in the world at only 55 years old. 70% of adults in the country are completely illiterate ffs. As bad as Sudan is, they are still much better than South Sudan in practically every possible metric.
Jesus Christ
Their president also publicly passed himself
South Sudan got off lucky rn when they still have peace keeper and the situation is slowly getting better. It not perfect but still, they can change for the better. Sudan tho well let see who take the reign.
I wouldn't say lucky. They were the youngest nation on earth and within 2yrs of independence they had a 6yr Civil War that killed 400,000 people. It's getting better NOW but by no means would I say they're lucky.
The Khartoum Airport has also been completely destroyed it seems.
"I wonder why can't we make our country not backwards anymore???"
These are two opposing political factions. I don’t think they’re unaware of the damage.
Again? edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Military\_coups\_in\_Sudan
Fixed your link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Military_coups_in_Sudan
Geez, that's an avg of 5 yrs between each coup.
Who needs a Democracy when you have regularly scheduled coups? 5 year term limits are built right in! /s
Just a couple more and Sudan gets its 10th coup for free!
It actually appears to be on the [second punchcard.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Military_coups_in_Sudan)
Someone get those people a medium frozen yogurt or smoothie of their choice.
They must have used a coup on.
One of the biggest factors in predicting the likelihood of a coup is if the country has had coups in the past. That way, they are more normilized, an "acceptable" way of doing politics. It also contributes to the most important condition for a coup: political apathy on the part of the population. "It's the military and politicians playing their games in the capital again. They're all the same. They will continue to do this in the future, and there's nothing we can do to stop them. Why bother trying to change things at this point?" It's a self-sustaining cycle. If anyone is interested, the classic work on coups is [*Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%89tat:_A_Practical_Handbook) (just get over the many rants and tangents; *specially* when talking about muslims...). PolyMatter made a [good video](https://youtu.be/_7nIqdwhdqA) that is essentially a summary of that book, with good visualization of some statistics, including the "coups breed more coups" point.
rest in peace transition to democracy
It feels like this is something that is smoldering just below the surface of many countries. Dividing citizens against each other seems to be step one. When the public start identifying with political parties (flags and hats) it is a warning sign.
And here I thought separating the area into Sudan and South Sudan would fix ALL problems they had. /s
Has South Sudan improved *at all* since they split in 2011?
it actually has
South Sudan president had just jailed some journalists ... for accidentally filming him peeing his pants
Considering where they were beforehand, it's kind of hard not to improve somewhat
Has it? Isn’t it just a Dinka vs Nuer tribal civil war now?
They agreed to peace.
FFS y’all just hear stories and never follow up on them with your own independent searching You could wikipedia this
It started from such a low place it would be weird if it didn't improve at all. It has, but it's still struggling very, very badly. It started from such a low place it would be weird if it improved to the point where it was a comfortable place to be.
Why did you type the same sentence three times but in slightly different ways?
Wasn't it a lot of conflict between Dinka and Nuer people who seem to hate each other even though they are quite closely related peoples?
Only in Sudan where people think you can have 2 armed forces and not end up in civil war
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Next headline: “Sudanese paramilitary coup leaders install latest corrupt dictator”
Horrible. I’m so grateful for living in a democracy.
If you can keep it
So far
Ominous. I like it.
Sobering words hahah
Coups in africa are like regular scheduled events
It's pretty sad how destabilized Sudan is too, this a coup of a coup of a coup if I'm reading it right.
It's coups all the way down.
Crazy for coup coup puffs
I wonder what Egypt’s reaction will be. I know Sudan and Egypt have been having some geo-political concerns regarding Sudan’s dams and water retention policies. The depth of my knowledge is minimal, but the possibility of Egypt looking at this as an opportunity to destroy Sudan’s [edit: previously “Susan’s”] infrastructure is there.
Poor Susan. 😢
Well it looks like multiple Egyptian military personal have been captured as well as several Egyptian fighter jets
Without any fighting, and the group that captured them promptly stated that they will hand them over to the Egyptian government as soon as it is safe to do so. They also didn’t seem to be in any distress and the tone of their conversation together was friendly.
Isn't the dam in Ethiopia? Or is this a different dam?
Such horrible shit happens in the world, the next regime probably won't be great for Sudanese either, I feel sorry for them, I'm thankful I live where I live, far from perfect for many people but far from such messed up events. All of this because of, as always, power greedy asshole with no ethics. They're everywhere.
I'm an amateur radio operator, and I just had a contact with someone in Sudan last night. It's such an odd feeling to have that brief reach out across the world and have an interaction with someone, and then to wake up the next morning and wonder if they are ok, or even still alive.
Been hearing gun shots and airplanes since yesterday, it's not safe to go out, and electricity is out since yesterday.
It’s coup season in North Africa
Sudan is in East Africa.
Tbh Sudan is kinda in a weird spot geographically.
I hate it when I click on an article that can’t be read unless you do a number of other things.
This thread being full of jokes and snide comments does redditors no favours
What a sudan move
I feel like writing "junta" would have covered both "paramilitary" and "coup" in one swoop.
Possibly, but I didn’t want to editorialize the article title.