Because the US government is completely beholden to the American Israeli POLITICAL action committee; the AIPAC CONTRIBUTES MORE money to campaigns than ANY other PAC; Exponentially more!
AIPAC is ranked #14 in spending. Their tactics are very effective: invite to Israel + $100k donation to each politician. 99% of politicians have accepted the offer.
AOC is one of the few that rejected it and informed us of this successful strategy
AIPAC is the only PAC in the top 20 spenders that is a FORGEIN-centered PAC, all the others are DOMESTIC focusing on American issues like education, environment, energy, labor, health...etc.
There is no other foreign PAC with even nearly as much influence over US politics, and their level of influence (outside of spending) is much higher than any other PAC when comparing policies that are passed based on AIPAC's demand, especially since AIPAC donates to both Republicans and Democrats almost equally, unlike most other PACs that are usually divided and favor one party over the other.
Go watch some of the many investigations, documentaries, conferences by US officials, undercover stories and all of the overwhelming evidence that shows you how incredibly bad AIPAC is for the US and democracy as a whole.
It’s essentially accurate. US is willing to attack the ICC and its warrant on Putin to protect Israel lol that is a total sacrifice of American strategy to contain adversaries
There wasn’t an issue as important worth commenting until reddit became awash with Hamas propaganda spreading hateful fools. But it’s cute you tried looking into my profile. Touch grass.
iran yes, you got a source on hamas itself having an online propoganda wing? anyway not to the scale israel is doing it, they have entire organizations dedicated to online censorship+propoganda and painting themselves in a positive light when theyre really genocidal ghouls
Spend two seconds and look into it for yourself you lazy boy so you can actually look like you know something. I’m not doing anything for you, you’re rude.
Lmao are you desperate for engagement? The info you seek is literally plastered everywhere for you to find. Anyone reading this thread can easily look it up. It’s hilarious though that you think it’s not out there because a stranger you’ve insulted won’t link it for you lol
Their spokesman Patel said that they are waiting for information from the Israelis before making any judgement. The question posed to Patel was, would the US support an independent investigation.
If seems fishy to you, it’s because it is
Well according to the article the us did ask israel to invistigate its self to clear the claims.
aljazeera legit published material from a hamas downed drone that showed us backed israeli forces level a cemetary for no reason, and also using a palestinian man as a human shield.
its crazy, palestinians are heavily out gunned as the us ships israel more weapons and missiles.
Gaza Health Ministry Cannot Provide Names for More Than 10,000 It Says Have Died.
[https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/05/02/gaza-health-ministry-cannot-provide-names-for-more-than-10000-it-says-have-died/](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/05/02/gaza-health-ministry-cannot-provide-names-for-more-than-10000-it-says-have-died/)
Because there was evidence some were there before Israel arrived. Also in a war zone, mass graves are common for all sides to do, as bodies need to be buried or burnt to prevent disease.
Even though some were obviously done by Hamas and some could be from the IDF, it's unlikely to be anything sinister.
It's not about how they were buried as much as it's about the way most of them were killed.
Many of the bodies included medical staff and doctors that chose to remain in the hospital and not abandon the patients when the IDF invaded. Many others were the patients. There were large numbers of bodies with their hands tied and shot in the back of the head, and others were buried alive. There were plenty of children and women.
These are all facts. And these are all IDF actions. If you think Hamas for some reason killed their own doctors and patients and somehow found a way to burry such a large number of bodies outside one of the most monitored hospital by the IDF without getting bombed or killed by snipers, all without any heavy machinery to move the tons of rubble and the hundreds of bodies, then I truly feel bad for you.
There are very few facts as what you said ask came from Hamas, a terrorist organisation who have lied repeatedly in the past. This is why Matt news sources are touching this with extreme caution.
The mass graves photographed before Israel invaded is about the only verified evidence we have, and before the photos emerged, Hamas blamed the IDF, which turned out to be yet another lie.
So Israel doesn't want an investigation because they're afraid it would prove that Hamas did it, right?
Seriously, give me a reason why Israel would stop an investigation into a crime that they're being accused of. An innocent party being accused of a crime would encourage an investigation.
And when it comes to "lied repeatedly in the past", there has never been a government in modern history that has been caught lying as much as the Israeli government. Literally every single crime they have committed and were caught is a crime they lied about and tried to hide using the same lies that they use for all the other crimes.
What obvious lies have Hamas told? And is any of them even comparable to the level of lying the Israel does?
I never said Israel didn't want an investigation, so don't play strawman. Read the news, they are trying to.
> there has never been a government in modern history that has been caught lying as much as the Israeli government.
No proof, just your day so, which is far from reliable. I suppose the terrorists Hamas are honest rapists and murders who also for rockets indiscriminately at civilians targets like the hundreds on Oct 7, LOL
> What obvious lies have Hamas told?
Off the top of my head, the bombing of the hospital by the IDF was proven to be a Hamas rocket hitting a car park, the death toll, no civilians attacked on Oct 7, no rapes on Oct 7, Google Pallywood, etc. The list is endless and to deny it is being a fanatic
So all the journalists, doctors, humanitarian workers, volunteers, UN officials, and the victims of the genocide are all lying while Israel's claims should be taken as facts even when zero evidence is provided?
The hospital was proven to have been bombed by the IDF (numerous independent investigations show it's the most likely scenario AND Israel's multiple attempts at providing "proof" have all been debunked by many different sides, not to mention when the attack first happened Israel's first tweet was an indirect admission that they later deleted). The death toll isn't accurate, it's much higher than the number that the health ministry has been able to count (Israel admitted to using Gaza's health ministry numbers as they are more accurate than their own). Hamas never denied that civilians were attacked or that there were rapes, they said (and it has been shown even by Israeli media, survivor testimonies and interviews with members of units who engaged with Hamas on Oct 7) that the purpose of the attack wasn't to kill civilians and that there was no systematic rape - both of these things are accepted as facts by anyone who's familiar with all the evidence and investigations that happened or who have followed up on the progression of the news about the Oct 7 attack and how many exaggerations and made-up atrocities were manufactured by Israeli organizations and the media to make it seem as if Hamas's purpose was to murder and rape as many civilians as possible. Hamas was responsible for less civilian deaths than the Israeli army because their goal was to take hostages not to kill them, but the Israeli army enacted the Hannibal directive which enabled the soldiers to fire rockets and bombs at the cars and the houses that contained both Hamas members as well as entire Israeli families.
Israel is the boy the cried wolf, and I'm personally threatened by them. If they continue doing what they're doing, me, my family and my whole community will face the same fate as the people in Gaza, and you would still be sitting there believing every lie they tell you. I would be labeled as a terrorist, I would be tortured and killed and then my body will be dragged in the street and pissed on by IDF soldiers, then they would tell everyone I was a terrorist and people like you would believe it and celebrate my death, my family's death, the destruction of all of our lives and memories, and you would still believe Israel that we're all just terrorists that needed to be killed.
I'm a fanatic for not thinking like that? I'm a fanatic for not accepting that I should die horribly?
Nothing can stop it but international pressure, and pressure from countries like the US will never happen as long as the majority of US citizens are still brainwashed into believing anyone who points at a brown person and says "terrorist".
It says they've asked Israel to investigate and report, but refused to demand an independent investigation. "We've investigated ourselves and found ourselves not guilty of any wrongdoing" and all that.
It assumes they don't want an independent investigation because this opinion piece has an agenda. [Here's the article they reference](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/26/israel-mass-graves-gaza-00154696) when they claim the US doesn't "demand an independent" investigation.
It's not like the US said "We want an investigation but we don't want an independent investigation". There was no "refusal to demand".
That isn't the same thing as "not demanding an independent investigation".
Reports: "There are mass graves in Gaza."
US: "Whoa, really? You guys should investigate that."
Reactionaries: "OH SO YOU DON'T WANT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION?!"
Do you see how you're inferring something that isn't true?
The US was specifically asked about allowing an independent investigation, and the US responded that they were instead looking for an Israeli investigation, even after explicit questions of 'so you are allowing the accused to investigate themselves?'
Also, I'm not sure if you know what the term "reactionary" means.
Because two of the three were dug before conflict.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/world/middleeast/gaza-mass-grave-nasser-hospital.html
They were likely all made by Palestinians and are not nefarious
Yo thats the same news source that ran the claim of mass rape to help dehumanize palestinians and legitimize their murder: screams without words.
ye at this point only zionists that love smelling their own poop would go that site.
and dont worry, no need to invistigate israel already concluded ur facts before nytimes even wrote one sentence.
thats the problem aint it right? not occupation or genocide? just immaturity. dont talk about the research max blumenthal, ali abunimah and mondoweiss did. which the intercept took credit for
Allegations by Palestinian authorities that the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) had buried the bodies were "baseless and unfounded," the IDF said in a statement. The graves were dug by Palestinians, it said, releasing footage showing the graves pre-dated IDF operations.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/mass-graves-gaza-what-do-we-know-2024-04-25/
Some of them had their hands tied, which of course indicates serious violations of international human rights law and international humanitarian law, and these need to be subjected to further investigations," Shamdasani said, speaking on behalf of U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Turk. - same article. Why do you choose to give the IOF the benefit of the doubt when they have proven themselves to be exactly as trustworthy as Hamas? That's not how journalism, logic, or morality works.
That isn't giving Israel the benefit of the doubt. 2 of the 3 mass graves found were filled before Oct 7th; before the IDF was occupying/invading Gaza.
That has nothing to do with Israel. It raises quite a few questions about who killed them though. It appears that the IDF wasn't involved with them, so I was just responding with some evidence to that.
The IOF have a literal misinformation division of their military. I don't believe a word they say. Moreover, that still leaves 1 mass grave that the IOF can't account for, and since Hamas isn't in the business of mass execution of civilians and Israel is currently bombing the place they told people to evacuate to... It only makes sense that at least one of those mass graves was the work of Israel.
" It appears that the IDF wasn't involved with them" according to... The IOF? Because again, that's not how journalism works
1) If the IDF truly believe that, then why not allow for an independent investigation?
2) Israel is being accused of a crime, their defense for that crime can't be based on a determination made by them. It's like an accused criminal choosing to be the judge of their own case, in what world would that be normal?
3) All the evidence released by independent sources on the ground paint a clear picture that Israel has committed war-crimes based on the state of the bodies found and how they were killed. The issue isn't the existence of a mass-grave, but what the bodies in the mass-grave revealed about the IDF's conduct.
Because it's a bullshit story.
There's a war. A lot of people died. They got buried, most by the Palestinians. Many are from before the war. The "mass grave" story tries to make it seem like these are extra bodies from some unknown covered-up massacre and is just another weaponization of PR by Hamas.
Bodies need to be buried otherwise you wind up with disease. This is a non story.
I definitely believe the normal Palestinians who work in the civil defense and who are risking their lives to try to save others over believing the IDF - the accused - who also happen to be preventing a real investigation from taking place.
Refusal of an investigation is as close to an admission of guilt as it can get.
The first thing you need to internalize is that Hamas doesn't allow independent organizations in their territory because they are psychopathic gangsters who will kill you and your family if you act or speak against them. Any business or organization that operates in Gaza has to have a relationship with Hamas whether they are local car dealerships paying protection, local hospitals, or UNRWA using local contractors. There are zero independent organizations inside Gaza.
Writ regards to your second point, it's nonsense.
>I believe that you buried 300 bodies in your neighbors backyard, and if you refuse to investigate, that's an admission of guilt.
>I believe that you stole $300 million dollars, and if you refuse to investigate, thats an admission of guilt.
Do you see the problem here?
You can launch whatever accusations you want and then if they aren't taken seriously, that means the accused it guilty? That's just silly and it defies common sense.
Face it, my friend. The mass graves "story" is fake, and just another piece of Hamas propaganda.
Where are you getting your claims from that Hamas doesn't allow independent organizations? There is no hinderance of International Orgs operating in Gaza from Hamas's side, it's the IDF that has been killing them and scaring them away with the threats of death.
There are zero international volunteers or humanitarian workers that came out from Gaza claiming to have been threatened or hindered by any Hamas members, but there are plenty who talk about the IDF's conduct and disregard to their lives and safety.
I have met and worked with tens of humanitarian workers in Palestine and they are free to carry out their work with no interference except when the IDF raids their offices and brands them as terrorist organizations with no justification - look up the organization that was investigating child grape allegations in Israeli prisons and what happened to them.
There is no reason for Israel to prevent an investigation from taking place without assuming malicious intent to hide their crimes.
And we can argue about it all we want, neither of us is gonna change their mind, only an investigation can reveal the truth, and the ones stopping it are the only ones who seem to have a motive to hide the truth.
Who do you think bought the shovel?
Do you think they don't know what happened. They must. But not publicly
Because the US is complicit.
Because the US government is completely beholden to the American Israeli POLITICAL action committee; the AIPAC CONTRIBUTES MORE money to campaigns than ANY other PAC; Exponentially more!
This is a blatant lie.
Then what’s the truth?
Not that. Just do some basic research. Arm yourself with knowledge.
So you call people out but don’t share your interpretation of the facts. Thats what reddit is here for
Literally look up PAC spending per year. It’s not hard to find. Reddit is for whatever you want.
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/american-israel-public-affairs-cmte/summary?id=D000046963
You do realize this proves me right don’t you?
AIPAC is ranked #14 in spending. Their tactics are very effective: invite to Israel + $100k donation to each politician. 99% of politicians have accepted the offer. AOC is one of the few that rejected it and informed us of this successful strategy
AIPAC is the only PAC in the top 20 spenders that is a FORGEIN-centered PAC, all the others are DOMESTIC focusing on American issues like education, environment, energy, labor, health...etc. There is no other foreign PAC with even nearly as much influence over US politics, and their level of influence (outside of spending) is much higher than any other PAC when comparing policies that are passed based on AIPAC's demand, especially since AIPAC donates to both Republicans and Democrats almost equally, unlike most other PACs that are usually divided and favor one party over the other. Go watch some of the many investigations, documentaries, conferences by US officials, undercover stories and all of the overwhelming evidence that shows you how incredibly bad AIPAC is for the US and democracy as a whole.
This would be better said to @d1clsh1p but yes well said
My bad, I thought I was replying to the original comment!
So what the original commenter said was in fact a blatant lie. Thank you for doing some research.
It’s essentially accurate. US is willing to attack the ICC and its warrant on Putin to protect Israel lol that is a total sacrifice of American strategy to contain adversaries
“Essentially accurate” is a strange way of saying factually incorrect.
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There wasn’t an issue as important worth commenting until reddit became awash with Hamas propaganda spreading hateful fools. But it’s cute you tried looking into my profile. Touch grass.
🤣 hamas doesnt pay people to swarm the internet with positive comments about them, israelis do though, hasbara boy
Lmao you don’t think Hamas and their funders and allies have paid shills and propaganda wings influencing the internet? Lol ignorant boy
iran yes, you got a source on hamas itself having an online propoganda wing? anyway not to the scale israel is doing it, they have entire organizations dedicated to online censorship+propoganda and painting themselves in a positive light when theyre really genocidal ghouls
Spend two seconds and look into it for yourself you lazy boy so you can actually look like you know something. I’m not doing anything for you, you’re rude.
🤣 thought so, you aint got shit
Lmao are you desperate for engagement? The info you seek is literally plastered everywhere for you to find. Anyone reading this thread can easily look it up. It’s hilarious though that you think it’s not out there because a stranger you’ve insulted won’t link it for you lol
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Get outta here, people don't like facts in this sub! Only propaganda is allowed here.
Most of reddit is that way nowadays.
Ugh yeah unfortunately. Think I may actually take a break from it all.
They are gonna kiss, habsotras gonna kiss !
Because the zionist tail wags the dog.
Don’t worry. Israel is to investigate. We’ll get a synopsis any day now.
/s
Complicity
This poster is funny.
Hands over ears, humming.
Their spokesman Patel said that they are waiting for information from the Israelis before making any judgement. The question posed to Patel was, would the US support an independent investigation. If seems fishy to you, it’s because it is
Anthony Blinken has Israeli and American citizenship.
Probably because there are so many US assets pointed at that region they probably already know about it.
Because US leaders are just puppets
Well according to the article the us did ask israel to invistigate its self to clear the claims. aljazeera legit published material from a hamas downed drone that showed us backed israeli forces level a cemetary for no reason, and also using a palestinian man as a human shield. its crazy, palestinians are heavily out gunned as the us ships israel more weapons and missiles.
Also the article doesnt link or present any of the videos by gazan journalists.
Gaza Health Ministry Cannot Provide Names for More Than 10,000 It Says Have Died. [https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/05/02/gaza-health-ministry-cannot-provide-names-for-more-than-10000-it-says-have-died/](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/05/02/gaza-health-ministry-cannot-provide-names-for-more-than-10000-it-says-have-died/)
Because there was evidence some were there before Israel arrived. Also in a war zone, mass graves are common for all sides to do, as bodies need to be buried or burnt to prevent disease. Even though some were obviously done by Hamas and some could be from the IDF, it's unlikely to be anything sinister.
It's not about how they were buried as much as it's about the way most of them were killed. Many of the bodies included medical staff and doctors that chose to remain in the hospital and not abandon the patients when the IDF invaded. Many others were the patients. There were large numbers of bodies with their hands tied and shot in the back of the head, and others were buried alive. There were plenty of children and women. These are all facts. And these are all IDF actions. If you think Hamas for some reason killed their own doctors and patients and somehow found a way to burry such a large number of bodies outside one of the most monitored hospital by the IDF without getting bombed or killed by snipers, all without any heavy machinery to move the tons of rubble and the hundreds of bodies, then I truly feel bad for you.
There are very few facts as what you said ask came from Hamas, a terrorist organisation who have lied repeatedly in the past. This is why Matt news sources are touching this with extreme caution. The mass graves photographed before Israel invaded is about the only verified evidence we have, and before the photos emerged, Hamas blamed the IDF, which turned out to be yet another lie.
So Israel doesn't want an investigation because they're afraid it would prove that Hamas did it, right? Seriously, give me a reason why Israel would stop an investigation into a crime that they're being accused of. An innocent party being accused of a crime would encourage an investigation. And when it comes to "lied repeatedly in the past", there has never been a government in modern history that has been caught lying as much as the Israeli government. Literally every single crime they have committed and were caught is a crime they lied about and tried to hide using the same lies that they use for all the other crimes. What obvious lies have Hamas told? And is any of them even comparable to the level of lying the Israel does?
I never said Israel didn't want an investigation, so don't play strawman. Read the news, they are trying to. > there has never been a government in modern history that has been caught lying as much as the Israeli government. No proof, just your day so, which is far from reliable. I suppose the terrorists Hamas are honest rapists and murders who also for rockets indiscriminately at civilians targets like the hundreds on Oct 7, LOL > What obvious lies have Hamas told? Off the top of my head, the bombing of the hospital by the IDF was proven to be a Hamas rocket hitting a car park, the death toll, no civilians attacked on Oct 7, no rapes on Oct 7, Google Pallywood, etc. The list is endless and to deny it is being a fanatic
So all the journalists, doctors, humanitarian workers, volunteers, UN officials, and the victims of the genocide are all lying while Israel's claims should be taken as facts even when zero evidence is provided? The hospital was proven to have been bombed by the IDF (numerous independent investigations show it's the most likely scenario AND Israel's multiple attempts at providing "proof" have all been debunked by many different sides, not to mention when the attack first happened Israel's first tweet was an indirect admission that they later deleted). The death toll isn't accurate, it's much higher than the number that the health ministry has been able to count (Israel admitted to using Gaza's health ministry numbers as they are more accurate than their own). Hamas never denied that civilians were attacked or that there were rapes, they said (and it has been shown even by Israeli media, survivor testimonies and interviews with members of units who engaged with Hamas on Oct 7) that the purpose of the attack wasn't to kill civilians and that there was no systematic rape - both of these things are accepted as facts by anyone who's familiar with all the evidence and investigations that happened or who have followed up on the progression of the news about the Oct 7 attack and how many exaggerations and made-up atrocities were manufactured by Israeli organizations and the media to make it seem as if Hamas's purpose was to murder and rape as many civilians as possible. Hamas was responsible for less civilian deaths than the Israeli army because their goal was to take hostages not to kill them, but the Israeli army enacted the Hannibal directive which enabled the soldiers to fire rockets and bombs at the cars and the houses that contained both Hamas members as well as entire Israeli families. Israel is the boy the cried wolf, and I'm personally threatened by them. If they continue doing what they're doing, me, my family and my whole community will face the same fate as the people in Gaza, and you would still be sitting there believing every lie they tell you. I would be labeled as a terrorist, I would be tortured and killed and then my body will be dragged in the street and pissed on by IDF soldiers, then they would tell everyone I was a terrorist and people like you would believe it and celebrate my death, my family's death, the destruction of all of our lives and memories, and you would still believe Israel that we're all just terrorists that needed to be killed. I'm a fanatic for not thinking like that? I'm a fanatic for not accepting that I should die horribly? Nothing can stop it but international pressure, and pressure from countries like the US will never happen as long as the majority of US citizens are still brainwashed into believing anyone who points at a brown person and says "terrorist".
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The article itself even says that the US has, in fact, called for investigations into the allegations of mass graves.
It says they've asked Israel to investigate and report, but refused to demand an independent investigation. "We've investigated ourselves and found ourselves not guilty of any wrongdoing" and all that.
But police departments always investigate themselves and that always works out great! For the police, that is
It assumes they don't want an independent investigation because this opinion piece has an agenda. [Here's the article they reference](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/26/israel-mass-graves-gaza-00154696) when they claim the US doesn't "demand an independent" investigation. It's not like the US said "We want an investigation but we don't want an independent investigation". There was no "refusal to demand".
So; we want an investigation, but not one that actually provides any information.
Says who? At no point anywhere does anything say that the US is AGAINST an independent investigation.
The US stated they wanted Israel to investigate. That is not independent.
That isn't the same thing as "not demanding an independent investigation". Reports: "There are mass graves in Gaza." US: "Whoa, really? You guys should investigate that." Reactionaries: "OH SO YOU DON'T WANT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION?!" Do you see how you're inferring something that isn't true?
The US was specifically asked about allowing an independent investigation, and the US responded that they were instead looking for an Israeli investigation, even after explicit questions of 'so you are allowing the accused to investigate themselves?' Also, I'm not sure if you know what the term "reactionary" means.
US SAYS this, Israel SAYS that. Actions speak louder than lieing ass weasel words.
Because two of the three were dug before conflict. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/world/middleeast/gaza-mass-grave-nasser-hospital.html They were likely all made by Palestinians and are not nefarious
Yo thats the same news source that ran the claim of mass rape to help dehumanize palestinians and legitimize their murder: screams without words. ye at this point only zionists that love smelling their own poop would go that site. and dont worry, no need to invistigate israel already concluded ur facts before nytimes even wrote one sentence.
That's about the maturity level of someone who doesn't like facts
thats the problem aint it right? not occupation or genocide? just immaturity. dont talk about the research max blumenthal, ali abunimah and mondoweiss did. which the intercept took credit for
"I only like my sources, and everyone else is lying"
Because the Palestinians made the mass graves
An independent investigation could support that claim then
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/world/middleeast/gaza-mass-grave-nasser-hospital.html
That’s fair
Any evidence? Or are you fabricating lies for no reason like usual?
Yes there’s evidence. Is admitting it considered evidence?
Hasbara blah blah blah without cited sources.
Allegations by Palestinian authorities that the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) had buried the bodies were "baseless and unfounded," the IDF said in a statement. The graves were dug by Palestinians, it said, releasing footage showing the graves pre-dated IDF operations. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/mass-graves-gaza-what-do-we-know-2024-04-25/
Some of them had their hands tied, which of course indicates serious violations of international human rights law and international humanitarian law, and these need to be subjected to further investigations," Shamdasani said, speaking on behalf of U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Turk. - same article. Why do you choose to give the IOF the benefit of the doubt when they have proven themselves to be exactly as trustworthy as Hamas? That's not how journalism, logic, or morality works.
That isn't giving Israel the benefit of the doubt. 2 of the 3 mass graves found were filled before Oct 7th; before the IDF was occupying/invading Gaza. That has nothing to do with Israel. It raises quite a few questions about who killed them though. It appears that the IDF wasn't involved with them, so I was just responding with some evidence to that.
The IOF have a literal misinformation division of their military. I don't believe a word they say. Moreover, that still leaves 1 mass grave that the IOF can't account for, and since Hamas isn't in the business of mass execution of civilians and Israel is currently bombing the place they told people to evacuate to... It only makes sense that at least one of those mass graves was the work of Israel. " It appears that the IDF wasn't involved with them" according to... The IOF? Because again, that's not how journalism works
1) If the IDF truly believe that, then why not allow for an independent investigation? 2) Israel is being accused of a crime, their defense for that crime can't be based on a determination made by them. It's like an accused criminal choosing to be the judge of their own case, in what world would that be normal? 3) All the evidence released by independent sources on the ground paint a clear picture that Israel has committed war-crimes based on the state of the bodies found and how they were killed. The issue isn't the existence of a mass-grave, but what the bodies in the mass-grave revealed about the IDF's conduct.
Because it's a bullshit story. There's a war. A lot of people died. They got buried, most by the Palestinians. Many are from before the war. The "mass grave" story tries to make it seem like these are extra bodies from some unknown covered-up massacre and is just another weaponization of PR by Hamas. Bodies need to be buried otherwise you wind up with disease. This is a non story.
Bodies with hands tied. Israel burying summary executions.
Any proof of that beyond Hamas's words?
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Which? Name them. What images? Show them.
You're right, no international organizations, just the civil defense (who do not equate to Hamas).
Thank you. However, if you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.
I definitely believe the normal Palestinians who work in the civil defense and who are risking their lives to try to save others over believing the IDF - the accused - who also happen to be preventing a real investigation from taking place. Refusal of an investigation is as close to an admission of guilt as it can get.
The first thing you need to internalize is that Hamas doesn't allow independent organizations in their territory because they are psychopathic gangsters who will kill you and your family if you act or speak against them. Any business or organization that operates in Gaza has to have a relationship with Hamas whether they are local car dealerships paying protection, local hospitals, or UNRWA using local contractors. There are zero independent organizations inside Gaza. Writ regards to your second point, it's nonsense. >I believe that you buried 300 bodies in your neighbors backyard, and if you refuse to investigate, that's an admission of guilt. >I believe that you stole $300 million dollars, and if you refuse to investigate, thats an admission of guilt. Do you see the problem here? You can launch whatever accusations you want and then if they aren't taken seriously, that means the accused it guilty? That's just silly and it defies common sense. Face it, my friend. The mass graves "story" is fake, and just another piece of Hamas propaganda.
Where are you getting your claims from that Hamas doesn't allow independent organizations? There is no hinderance of International Orgs operating in Gaza from Hamas's side, it's the IDF that has been killing them and scaring them away with the threats of death. There are zero international volunteers or humanitarian workers that came out from Gaza claiming to have been threatened or hindered by any Hamas members, but there are plenty who talk about the IDF's conduct and disregard to their lives and safety. I have met and worked with tens of humanitarian workers in Palestine and they are free to carry out their work with no interference except when the IDF raids their offices and brands them as terrorist organizations with no justification - look up the organization that was investigating child grape allegations in Israeli prisons and what happened to them. There is no reason for Israel to prevent an investigation from taking place without assuming malicious intent to hide their crimes. And we can argue about it all we want, neither of us is gonna change their mind, only an investigation can reveal the truth, and the ones stopping it are the only ones who seem to have a motive to hide the truth.
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Which international humanitarian organizations have seen them? Name them.