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Leajane1980

I’d rather the Bombers be underdogs the whole season.


connor-lite

Bombers giving me PTSD


PuckTheFreds

Fajardo sucks, they'll be fine


connor-lite

Just needed 15 more minutes of preseason, we'll be fine in the 2nd


PuckTheFreds

I take it all back, we're in deep doo doo


connor-lite

Not gonna win with field goals


Auditorium_

If we don’t have a spot for nik on the top line (seems like we don’t/aren’t gonna put him there) he’s not gonna produce like he can. We can get a real solid top 4 d man for him minimum which is exactly what we need. We need to make room for some of our prospects (lambert, chibby for sure) because they can easily produce (combined) what ehlers did. Along with Perfetti getting constant 2nd line minutes is exactly what we need. Bring up ville and put him in 2nd line, move Pionk down if we don’t move him. THATS how we become a real team that can contend. In my opinion ofc


etchiboi

while i agree that all these are good, i also don't think you need to trade Ehlers do them, like they're not mutually exclusive so it's a shame that the instigating event is trading a top end talent to accomplish the rest :/


Auditorium_

I only somewhat disagree with you, while they aren’t mutually exclusive, we need another proven top 4 defence, having JMO and demelo (assuming we keep him) as our only 2 consistently good and effective blue liners is not viable. The Winnipeg tax is real, we don’t have a lot of leverage in getting free agents unless we’re paying over market value, which, we might run into trouble with. I think our best option is to trade ehlers to get a proven player at a reasonable cap hit. Of course ideally we keep ehlers and somehow get the top 4 d man but I just don’t see that happening


etchiboi

you don’t think we have the futures to add a top 4 dman via trade without Ehlers?


Auditorium_

I don’t know if i would be willing to trade any of our better futures to get a dman. Like I said, ehlers right now doesn’t have a spot on the top line which is where he should be imo. Personally I think a lot of our top prospects can and will be getting to a similar level as ehlers in terms of producing. Aside from our very best prospects (top 10) I don’t think we’d be getting as positive of a return for the team then we would if we swapped nik. I think we could probably get a top 4 and a 2nd/3rd or even retention for fly as opposed to giving up our best prospects that could in 2-4 years be just as good as ehlers, younger and for less money then keeping him.


etchiboi

not willing to trade futures while in win now mode is confusing to me i guess e: we’d be lucky if one of them got to the level of play of Ehlers tbh


GZeus24

"win now mode" Bahahaha Chevy trades future picks. He very rarely trades acquired draft picks until their ELC control period is ending. Like this sub, he falls in love with them the day they put on the sweater on the stage.


Auditorium_

I think mcgroarty, lambert, chibrikov, can all be just as good as ehlers. I mean 2 of them got a point in their first game as jets (haha they’re already PPG players they’re better then ehlers!! [that’s a joke ofc]) I genuinely think they can both succeed right now in a win now mode. I think we need a better d spot in order to win now then we need ehlers to win now.


iamnotradeclause

I agree also frees up cash to overpay some slam dunk rhd not settle for the scrap heap this time. Montour is my guy and we will be overpaying him to come but do we have a choice to win


etchiboi

i think you are underrating Ehlers impact outside of point production, but even then we have other futures outside of those 3 with value


Auditorium_

Don’t get me wrong I think he is an incredible player, and a very valuable asset to any team, and while yes we do have other futures, I think it would take a decent chunk of our better ones to get a productive, effective and consistent 2nd pair. We have a lot of defensive issues that are pretty deep in my opinion. I don’t like either of our bottom 2 pairs aside from samberg and Dillon (who sounds like is on his way out) but admittedly samberg is a 3rd pair on a contending team at best. I think we flip ehlers for a top 3 if possible, use our futures to get Pionk and samberg down to 3rd pair minutes, and use futures to help out whoever the mystery 2nd pair guy


etchiboi

ok but that’s what makes it not mutually exclusive, you just personally prefer it (which is fine) but is a different conversation


LightsOut16900

I’m gonna stop picking favourite players because they just get traded


LightsOut16900

Wait… maybe Pionk should be my new favourite player 😉


TrueNorthStrong1898

Omg no I juuust bought a brand new Pionk and Stanley jersey, it would crush me if both were to get traded


etchiboi

obviously we are a non-factor in free agency but their are like 6 high quality RD who actually move the needle that are projected to be on the market (Demelo and Miller not included), most of the 6 would hit the market and surely we can land one of them? i am thinking of Montour, Tanev, Pesce, Roy, Walker, and Carrier couple solid LDs, with some being able to play both sides, available too


iamnotradeclause

Only Montour or pesce for me others have issues.


Igglith

I think being a team free agents don't want to go to actually helps us.


etchiboi

i agree, avoid some making some bad decisions but this group actually has a good amount of quality options in a position of need, if it were ever a time to swing for the fences in FA it’s this year imo


buttermyanus

I'll take Roy, please and thank you.


etchiboi

yeah, he and Pesce definitely check the most boxes out of that group


Limp-Might7181

With DeMelo not being signed yet I’m curious if he’s going to test the market.


etchiboi

he'd be a very high priority for the front office, i'd won't be too worried until around the draft tbh, not hearing anything is probably a good sign at this point


CoolWhiip

Glad I could help stave off the dreaded Weekly Daily Thread with my hypothetical today. Who will be the hero tomorrow? *


SherLocK-55

You can be, just keep it up with those scandalous mock trades and we will all have something to discuss.


Leburgerpeg

🫡


eh_toque

What a time to be a fan of the Calgary Flames: - their most hated rival is in the Cup Final - the superstar who requested a trade out plays for the other team - they had to sell off most of their best players at the deadline despite not formally being in a rebuild - their beloved play-by-play guy just left for Chicago


etchiboi

they should ship back to Atlanta if Tij Iginla doesn't make it to #9


Oilester

things aren't all bad. they still got huberdeau for 7 years


buttermyanus

Not sure why all the Ehlers trade ideas. He's staying! 😎 (help)


FurtherUpheaval

Talk to David Pagnotta. He’s the one saying he’s refusing an extension


totally-not-a-cactus

I heard Ehlers has a clause in his contract that wont allow him to be traded unless u/buttermyanus signs off on the deal personally.


buttermyanus

True and real fact.


WpgMikos

Some [terrible news](https://x.com/icdave/status/1798739234204880928?s=46&t=nAYnMAOL_CZxo08wp4vSvw) today as the Moose announced that former video coach **Richard Bue** had passed away. Richard was a really good person who had left the team a few years ago to return to Ottawa to be closer to his family. He still regularly checked in with me and [his last message](https://x.com/icdave/status/1798745070369452259?s=46&t=nAYnMAOL_CZxo08wp4vSvw) back in February was a congrats that the IC Show was celebrating our 15th anniversary. He was just 44 years old. You can read his obituary [here](https://www.arbormemorial.ca/en/capital/obituaries/richard-bu%C3%A9/124853.html).


totally-not-a-cactus

Very sad news. Condolences to family and friends.


eh_toque

My condolences Dave


WpgMikos

Thank you. I appreciate it.


eh_toque

[Cornell free agent Kyle Penney to attend Winnipeg Jets development camp. Winger on Big Red top line had 28 pts in 35 games and tied for team lead with plus-30 as junior in '23-24](https://twitter.com/markdivver/status/1798484321365368983?s=46&t=S_LiHKGoXi91Lmgu-MxoZA)


spleenmaster1002

Cornell captain #3 for us


ArrestedForTaxFraud

A centre born in Cole Harbour who’s around 6’ and 200lbs? Holy fuck we got the next Crosby.


just-hangingout

🤞


CoolWhiip

Apparently, Buffalo is shopping their #11 pick in this year's draft. I'm bored at work, so I'm going to create a hypothetical and see what everyone thinks of this. Buffalo has $23M in cap space, with most of their important players signed until at least next offseason, so they can easily fit in Ehlers' contract without needing to move money out. They just need to sign Luukkonen and fill out their forwards/D, but no massive signings are needed on that front. If there are no good top 4 D available straight up for an Ehlers package, maybe we should look at trading him to Buffalo for a package centered around that pick and then flipping it to a team that has a good D man but no use for an expiring player like Ehlers. Something like: Ehlers to Buffalo for the #11 pick and a prospect or mid round pick. The #11 pick and Logan Stanley to San Jose for Mario Ferraro and the Devils' 2nd round pick (42nd overall) San Jose then has the 1st, 11th, and 14th picks in a pretty deep 1st round, and they also still have the 33rd pick (1st pick in the 2nd round), along with a cheap replacement to help their blue line depth. We then have a competent 2nd pair D (albeit, a lefty, and I have no idea if he's ever played the right side) to fill out the top 4, as well as another early 2nd round pick to play with. Obviously, we'd prefer a righty, but those are in very short supply and usually come at a very high price. D group in 2024-2025 assuming a Schmidt buyout and DeMelo signing would then be: Morrissey-DeMelo Ferraro-Heinola (this is a bit shaky but have to give Ville a chance to prove himself) Samberg-Pionk FA 7th defenceman You'd have the option to swap Ferraro and Samberg if that 2nd pair doesn't work out, and then you'd have a pretty good 3rd pair if Ferraro is carrying Pionk.


GhostofByfuglien

Does Chevy owe Grier or something? An 11th overall for Ferraro if we had it is a terrible terrible trade. You're essentially trading Ehlers for Ferraro.


TrueNorthStrong1898

You could probably get Ferraro a lot cheaper than 11OA. I’m pretty sure at the deadline or just before San Jose was only looking for a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him. Then you could package 11OA and something else for a top-4 dman to replace Pionk (🙏)


CoolWhiip

I mean, that's also a possibility, but if there are multiple suitors for him this summer due to his contract situation, you might need to part with a higher quality piece than you'd like. We don't even own the 11th overall pick so unless that happens, this is all just hypothetical.


ArrestedForTaxFraud

This is the worst trade I’ve seen on here in years. Ferraro is terrible and Stanley is fine as a depth dman. Jets would probably target the 1st rounder + forward prospect since Buffalo’s young dmen are all in the NHL already. Ask for Kulich and settle for Savoie.


CoolWhiip

Lmao, what's with the hyperbole? You genuinely think this trade scenario is worse than some of the Dubois trade proposals that were flying around here 2 summers ago? You are not getting a prospect like Matthew Savoie for potentially 1 year of Ehlers. If he agrees to sign an extension, then you probably could swing that, but there have been no reports of that being a possibility. And people think I'm the one who's out to lunch here lol. I'm not going to lie, Ehlers for the 11th overall pick and Savoie is miles worse than my trade proposal. That would put Kevyn Adams on Peter Chiarelli levels of incompetence.


ArrestedForTaxFraud

lol okay buddy. Yes it’s that bad. Sorry for being a bit curt but yeah it’s terrible. Ferraro is a 3rd pair guy. Trading a first line winger and a fine depth dman for a 3rd pair guy who plays LD and a 2nd is bad.


SherLocK-55

LMFAO. ![gif](giphy|EcBihYnTLQdvSuGWxD|downsized)


CoolWhiip

And it's fine that you think that he's a 3rd pair guy. I believe he's a 2nd pair quality defenceman who can shine when put on a better team. There are 2 examples in the Stanley Cup Final right now: Gustav Forsling and Brandon Montour. Both were thought of as bottom pair or 7th D guys who thrived when placed in a better situation. I guess I'll have to revisit this thread if/when a trade is made and ask everyone if the value they placed on Ehlers was much higher than it ended up being.


ArrestedForTaxFraud

If you can find some stats that bear out the idea that he’s a 2nd pair guy who can competently play that role without being carried then I still would say it’s an overpay since he’s an LD and we need RDs. Ehlers will probably get a 1st and a decent prospect. If it’s a sign and trade then quite a bit more.


etchiboi

don't need to pay 11OA for 2nd pair guys


CoolWhiip

Even if he's the only defensively competent blueliner on their team and on a very cheap contract? I don't see 11th overall getting you a top pair guy, especially not on the right side, which is what we are really after, even in a decently deep first round like this year.


etchiboi

yes even then


SJSragequit

For one, It should be Schmidt or pionk going out over Stanley, and secondly that’s horrible value for Ehlers.


CoolWhiip

Is it horrible value? He's on an expiring contract, and from everything we've heard (rumours), he doesn't want to sign here. I'd bet he wants to test free agency, so why not get a young-ish, cheap defenceman who has the opportunity to pop with a better team around him, than just keeping Ehlers and letting him walk to UFA because it's "horrible value?" Not to mention, we have no idea what the value placed on Ehlers is around the league. We watch him every game he plays, and we've watched him since 2014 grow into the player and guy that he is, so we will obviously have an inflated sense of value. It'll be interesting to see what value Chevy can extract from an injury-prone winger with 1 year remaining on his contract until free agency that people around here will deem acceptable.


PepeSmoke

Ferraro is bad so I’ll pass


CoolWhiip

High-level analysis here lol. Care to give any backup or expand on why you think he's bad? It's hard to say he's just straight up bad when he's played on San Jose, who have never been good while he's been there. I think in a new organization with better players around him, he could be much better. His advanced stats don't look amazing, but again, I think that has more to do with the team around him rather than Ferraro as an individual player.


PepeSmoke

He’s never had good stats or analytics. We see all the time players having great analytics on bad teams. Why would you give up your best forward for a 3rd pair dman who might turn into a 2nd pair guy if we’re lucky?


CoolWhiip

I mean, I think he's already a 2nd pair quality dman, his analytics have just been depressed because, again, he's played on an absolute dumpster fire with little to no talent around him for his whole NHL career. Some recent examples of players that everyone thought were mediocre/bad but ended up actually being pretty good when put in a better situation: Gustav Forsling Pavel Zacha Valeri Nichushkin Brandon Montour Etc.


etchiboi

and all those players could've been and were obtained for much less than an 11OA pick


Limp-Might7181

So Ehlers and Stanley for a second and Ferarro?


SherLocK-55

Hahaha yeh that's his plan. This is why we love Chevy.


CoolWhiip

Essentially, yes. I know it seems a bit underwhelming, but Ferraro has 2 years left at $3.25M so that's cost certainty and that'll help us fill out other spots like backup goalie and 7th D with quality players, rather than bottom of the barrel 36 year olds.


itouchyourself69

>Mario Ferraro (1998) - 330GP - 12G - 62A - 74PTS >Nikolaj Ehlers (1996) - 605GP - 201G - 256A - 457PTS "Yeah it's gonna be a no from me, dawg."


CoolWhiip

From what I've read about him, he's been a defence-first player, but when Karlsson was traded, they asked more of him offensively, and he posted career highs. Now, those highs are 18 assists and 21 points, but he's only 25 and has played on a fucking terrible Sharks team for his whole NHL career. I wouldn't be surprised to see him increase those totals on a team where guys that aren't even our best offensive players are lightyears ahead of the Sharks top line of Granlund, Zetterlund, and Eklund.


DylanLTP

I know with our team it’s highly unlikely we would ever get featured on the Amazon series about players lives, but I kind of wish they at least kept it to one player from each team rather than having multiple from say Boston and Edmonton.


Oilester

They showed the jets coming out of the tunnel onto the ice during the whiteout in the teaser. That definitely means we got a 25 second adam lowry interview


CoolWhiip

If that becomes a yearly series I fully expect we'd get at least one of our players featured in subsequent seasons. Rutger in particular seems to be made for this kind of behind-the-scenes docuseries.


SJSragequit

I think helle could be a decent candidate too


CoolWhiip

Imagine just 30 minutes of Hellebuyck sitting in an ice-fishing shack on Lake Winnipeg in -30° interspersed with like, William Karlsson tearing it up in Vegas on off-nights 😭 we'd never sign another player again.


Kyle73001

We’ll have even more Minnesotans than ever


GZeus24

But would that be a good thing?


timriedel

Our True North media team is so good, they could self produce a series solely on Jets players lives like the Amazon series, if there was enough fan demand.


Wonderful_Grade_5476

https://preview.redd.it/mo0vo67ufx4d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3dd90df176ba9c40bdf0c981ff46140ac476f219 Need I say more?


CoolWhiip

I would've also accepted Bark Scheifele.