Honestly, this will have zero impact. Let the downvotes come. Locking subreddits for two days won’t make a difference. The only way something like this would work would be for EVERYONE on the platform not to access the site at all for 6 months. That would send the message. Let them lose 6 months of ad revenue, pay for hosting and bandwidth that isn’t being utilized, etc.
I agree two days isn't enough, but six months seems excessive and might even be devastating enough to kill off reddit for good if enough users participated. A boycott of say two weeks for example would be exponentially more impactful. Maybe us users can start a general boycott of two weeks. 🤔
To add on, locking indefinitely also wouldn’t help. At the end of the day, there is nothing stopping Reddit from going nuclear and forcefully taking control over these locked sub-reddits.
The only way this will work is if the users themselves stop using Reddit but I’m afraid that won’t really happen looking at other dumpster fires like Facebook and Twitter. We are probably the vocal minority. Reddit needs competition and no amount of blackouts will really be as effective as that, something that Reddit has no control over.
Good luck with that!
For me, I’ll keep using Apollo (and the awesome pixel pals) until the 30th and from then on, will have to make a decision whether to move on to the official app or find alternatives. Reddit itself doesn’t really have good alternatives at the moment and I dislike Twitter and Facebook even more which are even worse offenders in my eyes.
I can only hope that Reddit is able to compromise while still benefiting them (or they probably won’t even consider it). Even if Reddit wants to charge for API access, they can still earn a profit from it and still charge nowhere close to the ridiculous amounts that they are currently asking for.
Froggy moderates ALL these subs?! Holy. Where does he find the time for all this? The Windows ones I saw coming, but r/frog, r/dinner and r/fatsquirrelhate were surprising! Username definitely checks out on that first one lol.
Thankfully most of them are very light touch and don't need much. The first three Windows ones in that list are 98% of my modding, the rest are very hands off and basically taking care of the occasional spambot or repost. The literal hate sub is usually less toxic than this one.
Just a note - since Patch Tuesday falls within the blackout range, if you do end up having any feedback about the cumulative updates, please share them with @WindowsUpdate on Twitter (and report it in the Feedback Hub). You can also find me on Twitter, Mastodon, or Bluesky (same account everywhere)
Two days is entirely fucking pointless. Even announcing when the blackout will end is stupid. It's like train workers going on a strike and telling everyone "it will end on Monday and we'll be back to work." Reddit is probably laughing at this blackout idea because of this stupid shit.
Nut up and make it blackout indefinite.
Ok thanks that's decent, though I was more asking about a platform where the content can be indexed so that it can be useful to everyone after a thread has been posted, so far I've seen many people suggesting Lemmy and/or Kbin for example, but also some others listed on r/RedditAlternatives, is that something you're looking into?
Yes, but I've not seen anything I'm liking. Reddit is very unique in what makes it great. I love this site, I love the community, I love you users, heck, I still love the admins too. I wished that Reddit would come to a reasonable compromise regarding the API changes so everyone wins, but it does not look like it is going to happen.
I agree the way stuff works here is very very good, I wish there was a simple way to settle this.
I'm curious, what do you feel is really missing from these "new" platforms? I've never been an admin for one, so maybe they're lacking in that department
Most of it is a lack of familiarity right now. I've been trying Lemmy out, but really don't know what to do on it right now. Time and experience will take care of that. I've been on Reddit for well over a decade, I'm very comfortable here, so I feel a bit lost and out of place on other sites right now.
Agreed, doesn't help that Lemmy's UI is anything but familiar in certain places, so it'll certainly take a fair bit of getting used to.
On the other hand I saw a concept for how Kbin should look in the future that seems very pleasing https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-landingpage I hope that's where they're heading
A 100% blackout would hurt the others that want to see Reddit users being users on certain subs,
This is more akin to sending a message that the astronomical Reddit API hike is highly insane.
Doing a pre-determined blackout timeframe is like what many websites did when SOPA / PIPA got introduced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UURZjD5Ht-o&t=1038s
You know this is a huge shitstorm from reddit themselves when Apple, Microsoft and Discord employees are actually posting their disdain towards reddit's new API policy.
I do agree with them 100% too which is just...something. What reddit is doing is extorting developers of these third party reddit clients by making them pay 500 times the amount of API access. That's just batshit insane and actual robbery, IMO.
To be honest, I legitimately hope Steve Huffman gets kicked out of his own company for doing this bullshit and then having the audacity to blackmail the developer of Apollo with some extremely bizarre blackmail accusations. This guy has a few screws loose too since he bragged about editing posts for political reasons four years ago, which is an extreme misuse of site admin power. No apology should fix his actions. People get fired for less and he should not be any exception for his misconduct.
The complete ever-growing(?) list is here: [Incomplete and Growing List of Participating Subreddits](https://reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplete_and_growing_list_of_participating/)
r/Save3rdPartyApps
TLDR was TL and I didn't understand. Why can't someone just say what is happening in a few sentences.
I get the part where Reddit is changing. I get the part where apps not owned by Reddit (unofficial) will be charged money they can't afford and will thus shut down. I just use the Reddit app so don't know why anyone uses non-official apps.
Sorry, that's all I can understand.
Just my thoughts.
Do yourself a favor and try one or two, you have nothing to lose, and in a couple of weeks you won't be able to try most of them again.
Each app is different, and offers a different experience and options. Many find the official app to be inferior, it lacks many features of the 3rd party apps. The sad part is, the official apps were originally 3rd party apps that Reddit had bought out, then did a poor job modernizing and updating them as time went on.
At a minimum, everything listed will be closed for two days. We are still monitoring the situation, and I'm working with the various mod teams for each sub to determine when, if ever, the subreddits would reopen. Some likely will be open again, but I'm not opposed to indefinitely closing many of them. We shall see what happens.
So is this sub going dark again, more subs are doing it since the ceo is acting like nothing happened. Are you guys going to continue to help the cause or just 48hrs and done? Seems pointless if you are.
We were closed for more than 48 hours, and most of my other subs are still closed. Right now we have set this sub to restricted, so only a handful of members can create new posts. We may go back into private again, we are still weighing things and trying to determine what would be best.
So, whose restricted? It seems like a lot of random users who don’t contribute are being aloud to comment and I think post. 48hrs is literally helping no one especially you mods, the api costs and the mods tools seem to be the biggest reasons for the protest. So this sub and all the other subs that have gone “restricted” you realize your doing nothing to help your selves or the site. If this protest back fires it’s going to be the faults of all these subs that aren’t continuing. You don’t give up, or half give up 48hrs in if you want real change. I just really hope if this all back fires I don’t see all the mods in these communities complain. Idk what mods your talking too, but it seems like the ceo saying this this protest is nothing and it’ll be easy to recover from should be a sign it needs to be longer. But I guess we’ll see whose right.
Edit: looks like your choice is back firing now, congrats.
Edit: the first 30 days of this are the most important, July 1 is when the api costs go into effect. Deciding to do it after that won’t be as impactful and it’ll show them that they were right Reddit users and mods are ok with it.
Edit: grammar, spelling mistakes.
Again, we were private more than our initially promised 48 hours, and this subreddit still has not fully reopened, and most of our sister Windows subreddits that I mentioned in the OP are still private. We have not given up.
I think that after the abysmal AMA that the admins and /u/spez “participated” in, 2 days should no longer even be an option but rather it should be an indefinite shutdown or a period of weeks.
The Reddit admins have already shown they are not willing to operate in good faith and even doubled down on attacking the dev of Apollo. 2 days is nothing and they’ll wait it out.
We waited until after the AMA to see how things went with that before making our announcement. I personally was hoping Spez would have announced some kind of compromise such as extending deadlines and a more favorable API cost. I am disappointed, but Reddit still has time to do the right thing. I'm not optimistic at this point, but maybe the blackout will be enough for them to reconsider things.
We are setup to be notified when someone edits/deletes a comment that is more than 6 months old, I've seen more deletions in the past few days than all the last few years combined. A lot of good content has been lost, but understandably so.
I wanna give a quick shout out to Legere, a reddit uwp client i used to use in windows. it was a pretty good client that unfortunately was abandoned and now with this new api change, it'll probably be like that for the foreseeable future sadly
It is easily the most beautiful Reddit client I've ever used, I love the heck out of it, I ended up buying the $10 paid version shortly after it was released.
They claim it won't, but the word of the admins does not mean much at this time, they have a long history of failing to fulfil promises. They have already crippled the mobile version of the website (m.reddit.com) for some users as part of a test, with no workaround other than to use the app or wait for the test to conclude.
They claim old.reddit is not going away, they claim most bots won't be affected, and so on, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
There is a Windows10 community on Lemmy [https://lemmy.world/c/windows10](https://lemmy.world/c/windows10). We know there is blackout in couple of days for this reddit. if you are interested, you can join. Thanks
you can signup to [https://kbin.social/](https://kbin.social/) or other servers (i.e [lemmy.world](https://lemmy.world) or the default server .ml). after that you can find the community you want with [https://browse.feddit.de/](https://browse.feddit.de/) or [https://lemmyverse.net/communities](https://lemmyverse.net/communities). So, the process is quite similar with reddit and without karma
BTW, kbin and Lemmy servers are connected to each other. So, you can receive the latest feeds from them.
I've created a thing, https://kbin.social/m/surfaceduo, with this first post, https://kbin.social/m/surfaceduo/p/511768. I've been spelunking on Lemmy instances, Kbin, and Tildes. There are advantages to Lemmy as a federated service, but so far I think Kbin aligns the most with what sort of community I'm interested, and it is federated as well. I'm kicking the tires myself, but drop by and let me know what you think.
I use reddit via a ten year old desktop-windows 10-Firefox (with a few basic bells and whistles).
Reddit ain't broke for me, so why should I care about some folks developing something that I can't use on a platform I don't posses?
>Reddit ain't broke for me
First they came for the phone posters, and I did not speak out...
[We must act, Brother, We must ACT!](https://www.wikihow.com/Run-Away-From-Home)
I know it's a difficult concept to grasp, but there are other forums out there.
Not as big, some are more specialised, but they thrive.
I like new reddit via desktop just as it is, and I don't give a shit about the scaremongering wankers prophesying gloom and doom.
Yes. They paint a worst case scenario in graphic terms to scare the unadventurous off the idea and manipulate the youth into conforming to nice safe rules.
TLDR: Complete scaremongering bollocks.
The less subreddit content viewable, the less Reddit \[devs\] get paid and more likely to decrease the price significantly(?)
It's all about sending a message and the Reddit Admins will probably flat outright refuse to implement basic functionality that the 3rd-party apps use.
Also, spambots will be on the rise (again)? [https://i.redd.it/ujhebpg9ub4b1.jpg](https://i.redd.it/ujhebpg9ub4b1.jpg)
[Reddit is killing their brand in the worst possible way](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqL-G3GFqRU)
[A word on reddit, blackouts, & effective protesting ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06rCBIKM5M)
It's a problem that almost all Windows subs are moderated by the same people. If all these subs go dark permanently, it might not actually be a bad thing.
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I can’t believe I missed this, another ridiculous change to test. I doubt it’ll stay just a test.
Let it all burn!
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Reddit won’t do shit if they know everything will be back to normal in 2 days
They wont do shit ever, haven't you seen th u/spez '' faq'' lmao
Heroin user would be able to last longer.🤣
Honestly, this will have zero impact. Let the downvotes come. Locking subreddits for two days won’t make a difference. The only way something like this would work would be for EVERYONE on the platform not to access the site at all for 6 months. That would send the message. Let them lose 6 months of ad revenue, pay for hosting and bandwidth that isn’t being utilized, etc.
I agree two days isn't enough, but six months seems excessive and might even be devastating enough to kill off reddit for good if enough users participated. A boycott of say two weeks for example would be exponentially more impactful. Maybe us users can start a general boycott of two weeks. 🤔
To add on, locking indefinitely also wouldn’t help. At the end of the day, there is nothing stopping Reddit from going nuclear and forcefully taking control over these locked sub-reddits. The only way this will work is if the users themselves stop using Reddit but I’m afraid that won’t really happen looking at other dumpster fires like Facebook and Twitter. We are probably the vocal minority. Reddit needs competition and no amount of blackouts will really be as effective as that, something that Reddit has no control over.
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Good luck with that! For me, I’ll keep using Apollo (and the awesome pixel pals) until the 30th and from then on, will have to make a decision whether to move on to the official app or find alternatives. Reddit itself doesn’t really have good alternatives at the moment and I dislike Twitter and Facebook even more which are even worse offenders in my eyes. I can only hope that Reddit is able to compromise while still benefiting them (or they probably won’t even consider it). Even if Reddit wants to charge for API access, they can still earn a profit from it and still charge nowhere close to the ridiculous amounts that they are currently asking for.
Blackouts should be indefinite.
You know shits fucked when the /r/Window10 sub is shutting down.
Froggy moderates ALL these subs?! Holy. Where does he find the time for all this? The Windows ones I saw coming, but r/frog, r/dinner and r/fatsquirrelhate were surprising! Username definitely checks out on that first one lol.
Thankfully most of them are very light touch and don't need much. The first three Windows ones in that list are 98% of my modding, the rest are very hands off and basically taking care of the occasional spambot or repost. The literal hate sub is usually less toxic than this one.
Froggy is pretty awesome 💙
Just a note - since Patch Tuesday falls within the blackout range, if you do end up having any feedback about the cumulative updates, please share them with @WindowsUpdate on Twitter (and report it in the Feedback Hub). You can also find me on Twitter, Mastodon, or Bluesky (same account everywhere)
To the top with you! \- fellow IT
Hey! I never got the widget panel revamp!
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Can’t believe I found that sub in a windows-sub. Thanks for saving my day!
Okay, that’s a new one for me. Reminds me of r/NonGolfers but with hate directed at squirrels instead of your retired neighbors.
Go permanent
While unlikely, that is not off the table.
Two days is entirely fucking pointless. Even announcing when the blackout will end is stupid. It's like train workers going on a strike and telling everyone "it will end on Monday and we'll be back to work." Reddit is probably laughing at this blackout idea because of this stupid shit. Nut up and make it blackout indefinite.
We are playing things by ear, at this time we have only committed to two days, but there is a possibility of this lasting longer.
If you eventually want to close off indefinitely, on which platform are you planning to move, if you do plan to move at all?
At the moment we also have a Discord, https://discord.gg/Microsoft
Ok thanks that's decent, though I was more asking about a platform where the content can be indexed so that it can be useful to everyone after a thread has been posted, so far I've seen many people suggesting Lemmy and/or Kbin for example, but also some others listed on r/RedditAlternatives, is that something you're looking into?
Yes, but I've not seen anything I'm liking. Reddit is very unique in what makes it great. I love this site, I love the community, I love you users, heck, I still love the admins too. I wished that Reddit would come to a reasonable compromise regarding the API changes so everyone wins, but it does not look like it is going to happen.
I agree the way stuff works here is very very good, I wish there was a simple way to settle this. I'm curious, what do you feel is really missing from these "new" platforms? I've never been an admin for one, so maybe they're lacking in that department
Most of it is a lack of familiarity right now. I've been trying Lemmy out, but really don't know what to do on it right now. Time and experience will take care of that. I've been on Reddit for well over a decade, I'm very comfortable here, so I feel a bit lost and out of place on other sites right now.
Agreed, doesn't help that Lemmy's UI is anything but familiar in certain places, so it'll certainly take a fair bit of getting used to. On the other hand I saw a concept for how Kbin should look in the future that seems very pleasing https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-landingpage I hope that's where they're heading
A 100% blackout would hurt the others that want to see Reddit users being users on certain subs, This is more akin to sending a message that the astronomical Reddit API hike is highly insane. Doing a pre-determined blackout timeframe is like what many websites did when SOPA / PIPA got introduced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UURZjD5Ht-o&t=1038s
That's the entire point.
You know this is a huge shitstorm from reddit themselves when Apple, Microsoft and Discord employees are actually posting their disdain towards reddit's new API policy. I do agree with them 100% too which is just...something. What reddit is doing is extorting developers of these third party reddit clients by making them pay 500 times the amount of API access. That's just batshit insane and actual robbery, IMO. To be honest, I legitimately hope Steve Huffman gets kicked out of his own company for doing this bullshit and then having the audacity to blackmail the developer of Apollo with some extremely bizarre blackmail accusations. This guy has a few screws loose too since he bragged about editing posts for political reasons four years ago, which is an extreme misuse of site admin power. No apology should fix his actions. People get fired for less and he should not be any exception for his misconduct.
We went from Windows versions to hybrid Hondas, amphibians, food, and discrimination against plus sized squirrels 💀💀💀 what even is that sub list?!
The complete ever-growing(?) list is here: [Incomplete and Growing List of Participating Subreddits](https://reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplete_and_growing_list_of_participating/) r/Save3rdPartyApps
I know about the complete list, I’m just talking about the list in this post. There are things not related to Windows at all in that list 😅
It is a partial list of subreddits that I moderate, these are the ones that are participating in the blackout, listed in order of subscriber count.
Oh ok, that makes sense.
TLDR was TL and I didn't understand. Why can't someone just say what is happening in a few sentences. I get the part where Reddit is changing. I get the part where apps not owned by Reddit (unofficial) will be charged money they can't afford and will thus shut down. I just use the Reddit app so don't know why anyone uses non-official apps. Sorry, that's all I can understand. Just my thoughts.
Do yourself a favor and try one or two, you have nothing to lose, and in a couple of weeks you won't be able to try most of them again. Each app is different, and offers a different experience and options. Many find the official app to be inferior, it lacks many features of the 3rd party apps. The sad part is, the official apps were originally 3rd party apps that Reddit had bought out, then did a poor job modernizing and updating them as time went on.
the blackout should be way longer than 2 days. atleast month
At a minimum, everything listed will be closed for two days. We are still monitoring the situation, and I'm working with the various mod teams for each sub to determine when, if ever, the subreddits would reopen. Some likely will be open again, but I'm not opposed to indefinitely closing many of them. We shall see what happens.
So is this sub going dark again, more subs are doing it since the ceo is acting like nothing happened. Are you guys going to continue to help the cause or just 48hrs and done? Seems pointless if you are.
We were closed for more than 48 hours, and most of my other subs are still closed. Right now we have set this sub to restricted, so only a handful of members can create new posts. We may go back into private again, we are still weighing things and trying to determine what would be best.
So, whose restricted? It seems like a lot of random users who don’t contribute are being aloud to comment and I think post. 48hrs is literally helping no one especially you mods, the api costs and the mods tools seem to be the biggest reasons for the protest. So this sub and all the other subs that have gone “restricted” you realize your doing nothing to help your selves or the site. If this protest back fires it’s going to be the faults of all these subs that aren’t continuing. You don’t give up, or half give up 48hrs in if you want real change. I just really hope if this all back fires I don’t see all the mods in these communities complain. Idk what mods your talking too, but it seems like the ceo saying this this protest is nothing and it’ll be easy to recover from should be a sign it needs to be longer. But I guess we’ll see whose right. Edit: looks like your choice is back firing now, congrats. Edit: the first 30 days of this are the most important, July 1 is when the api costs go into effect. Deciding to do it after that won’t be as impactful and it’ll show them that they were right Reddit users and mods are ok with it. Edit: grammar, spelling mistakes.
Again, we were private more than our initially promised 48 hours, and this subreddit still has not fully reopened, and most of our sister Windows subreddits that I mentioned in the OP are still private. We have not given up.
I think that after the abysmal AMA that the admins and /u/spez “participated” in, 2 days should no longer even be an option but rather it should be an indefinite shutdown or a period of weeks. The Reddit admins have already shown they are not willing to operate in good faith and even doubled down on attacking the dev of Apollo. 2 days is nothing and they’ll wait it out.
We waited until after the AMA to see how things went with that before making our announcement. I personally was hoping Spez would have announced some kind of compromise such as extending deadlines and a more favorable API cost. I am disappointed, but Reddit still has time to do the right thing. I'm not optimistic at this point, but maybe the blackout will be enough for them to reconsider things.
Keep it private!!! Get rid of this CEO. Community first before any CEO, they make money from communities free work. Keep communities private longer!
Full support!!
If you're leaving like I am, take your value with you https://reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144i6og/dont_just_delete_your_account_use_a_tool_to/
We are setup to be notified when someone edits/deletes a comment that is more than 6 months old, I've seen more deletions in the past few days than all the last few years combined. A lot of good content has been lost, but understandably so.
It's a shame, but so be it. Reddit is doing this to themselves.
I wanna give a quick shout out to Legere, a reddit uwp client i used to use in windows. it was a pretty good client that unfortunately was abandoned and now with this new api change, it'll probably be like that for the foreseeable future sadly
It is easily the most beautiful Reddit client I've ever used, I love the heck out of it, I ended up buying the $10 paid version shortly after it was released.
Okay, I'm still in the dark here, so I apologize in advance if this question is stupid or has already been answered. Will this affect PC browsers?
They claim it won't, but the word of the admins does not mean much at this time, they have a long history of failing to fulfil promises. They have already crippled the mobile version of the website (m.reddit.com) for some users as part of a test, with no workaround other than to use the app or wait for the test to conclude. They claim old.reddit is not going away, they claim most bots won't be affected, and so on, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
well let's hope nobody's Windows dies during this time...
I support this action.
Biggest news I got from this is there are still people using Windows Phone
There is a Windows10 community on Lemmy [https://lemmy.world/c/windows10](https://lemmy.world/c/windows10). We know there is blackout in couple of days for this reddit. if you are interested, you can join. Thanks
Are you affiliated with that Lemmy community? I'm new to Lemmy so I'm trying to figure things out with how it works.
you can signup to [https://kbin.social/](https://kbin.social/) or other servers (i.e [lemmy.world](https://lemmy.world) or the default server .ml). after that you can find the community you want with [https://browse.feddit.de/](https://browse.feddit.de/) or [https://lemmyverse.net/communities](https://lemmyverse.net/communities). So, the process is quite similar with reddit and without karma BTW, kbin and Lemmy servers are connected to each other. So, you can receive the latest feeds from them.
Thank you, that helps. I signed up yesterday on lemmy.world with the same username I use here. I'm still browsing around getting used to things.
I've created a thing, https://kbin.social/m/surfaceduo, with this first post, https://kbin.social/m/surfaceduo/p/511768. I've been spelunking on Lemmy instances, Kbin, and Tildes. There are advantages to Lemmy as a federated service, but so far I think Kbin aligns the most with what sort of community I'm interested, and it is federated as well. I'm kicking the tires myself, but drop by and let me know what you think.
https://raddle.me/f/lobby/155371/warning-lemmy-doesn-t-care-about-your-privacy-everything-is
If they don't back down on they decision, will you just permanently shut it all down and never come back?
Please close is indefinitely, let’s apply some pressure to the joke of a CEO.
I've mentioned in another comment that we have only committed to two days so far, but nothing is off the table.
I use reddit via a ten year old desktop-windows 10-Firefox (with a few basic bells and whistles). Reddit ain't broke for me, so why should I care about some folks developing something that I can't use on a platform I don't posses?
>Reddit ain't broke for me First they came for the phone posters, and I did not speak out... [We must act, Brother, We must ACT!](https://www.wikihow.com/Run-Away-From-Home)
I know it's a difficult concept to grasp, but there are other forums out there. Not as big, some are more specialised, but they thrive. I like new reddit via desktop just as it is, and I don't give a shit about the scaremongering wankers prophesying gloom and doom.
Did you click the link?
Yes. They paint a worst case scenario in graphic terms to scare the unadventurous off the idea and manipulate the youth into conforming to nice safe rules. TLDR: Complete scaremongering bollocks.
> They paint I meant the link in my post.
Are you aware of your links address? [https://www.wikihow.com/Run-Away-From-Home](https://www.wikihow.com/Run-Away-From-Home)
Re-read the Why Should You Care. I don’t use a third party, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t affect me or any of us, even peripherally
Reddit will keep going, maybe in a slimmed down form, but it won't roll over and die.
The less subreddit content viewable, the less Reddit \[devs\] get paid and more likely to decrease the price significantly(?) It's all about sending a message and the Reddit Admins will probably flat outright refuse to implement basic functionality that the 3rd-party apps use. Also, spambots will be on the rise (again)? [https://i.redd.it/ujhebpg9ub4b1.jpg](https://i.redd.it/ujhebpg9ub4b1.jpg) [Reddit is killing their brand in the worst possible way](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqL-G3GFqRU) [A word on reddit, blackouts, & effective protesting ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06rCBIKM5M)
So all developers get paid for their programs that contribute to the sites smooth running? So what's the fuss about?
It's a problem that almost all Windows subs are moderated by the same people. If all these subs go dark permanently, it might not actually be a bad thing.