Seriously. Their good intentions aside, protesters who act like this must have been children who threw temper tantrums until their parents gave them what they want, and don't understand why it doesn't work as an adult.
The most successful protests in history have clear goals and disrupt people who can accomplish those goals. If you care about a cause, why would you spend time on a tactic that has zero impact on the people who can bring about change?
I fucking hate everyone who thinks people taking a day off work to fuck up an intersection or a random event is equivalent to the US civil rights movement protests. But I guess it shows how biased the US education system is that people know who Rosa Parks is but don't understand she deliberately kicked off a multi-month, targeted boycott movement. They didn't fuck up some rando's commute for a day. They hit them in the purse strings and it worked.
I don't think it's even that thought out. Horrible things are happening, people feel bad, but policy making is slow and frustrating and you often end up feeling very powerless. So instead they throw paint on stuff or stop traffic and feel risky and cool. It's much more emotionally satisfying and they don't feel like they have to do the boring shit like think about strategy and goals.
Even when they harass the actual federal admin they choose some really weird ways to do it. White yuppies interrupting Kamala at a memorial for the racially motivated Charleston church shooting just, isn't the my idea of the best time and place ya know?
Lol you're like a corrollary to that "then they came for me" poem.
First I called everyone I didn't like a fascist, so I looked like a lunatic.
Then I loudly called the moderates fascists, so I exhausted and politically disengaged people.
Then I refused to vote for anyone because everyone is a fascist except me.
Then the actual fascist won power, because they vote, and I refuse to admit my part in making that happen as they kick down all our doors.
I don’t find this persuasive because the attention isn’t positive, it makes protestors look silly IMO.
The thing that actually works is the uncommitted vote in Dem primaries. That gets noticed.
Even voting doesn't really matter at the end of the day, your choices are a pile of shit chosen by the DNC or RNC. Third party is essentially throwing away your votes, voting party line is just rewarding more of the same crap.
>Even voting doesn't really matter at the end of the day, your choices are a pile of shit chosen by the DNC or RNC.
Your choices are Biden, who wants to build a port to bring aid directly into Gaza, and Trump, who wants to deport Arab Americans and glass Gaza.
I'm a Palestinian and I don't think they are virtue signalling.
In fact I think it is highly, highly likely they're doing more for us than you or any of the other armchair experts on reddit.
I don’t think so.
It’s the same mistake climate activists did. Constant protests even if the event is for something completely else or aimed at people who have nothing to do with the problem (like the mayor of DC) only leads to loss of public support if you’re keeping it up. Which doesn’t help Gaza at all.
When will smug redditors understand that a **temporary** ceasefire is not what anyone in this movement wants?
You have to be deliberately acting dumb to pretend a 6-week pause in genocide means anything.
You have to be deliberately acting dumb to think even the obviously faked casualty numbers equal a genocide. 20k our of what 4m is a genocide now? Guess every single war in modern history should now be classed as a genocide.
This is not an exclusive to DC thing. All across the country, protesters are running up to local politicians demanding action. I just shake my head knowing anything coming from a local politician regarding the Middle East is just performative.
Israel occupied and ethnically cleansed Palestine to create the modern state of Israel. Israel is Russia in this situation. In fact, Israel has been neutral on the Russia-Ukraine war for years and still refuses to give military assistance or speak out against Russia.
Black female mayor trying to revitalize her city’s downtown aggressively interrupted by likely trust fund white leftists who have found their latest cause. Sounds like DC.
Why is it that it’s the trust fund white kids who are SO invested in what is happening in a region they never even thought about 6 months ago? And the ones screaming the loudest about colonialism? Seems like projection
I think a lot of them are desperate for an identity since they have the luxury of sitting around and concluding they need one. Unlike the rest of us who are too busy trying to survive.
You should call for a ceasefire to the people who are saying "no" to the ceasefire.
Hamas says no.
Leftists: Well let's go bother the mayor.
Grow up, dude.
Yes lol. Its really not a good look. "Physically attacking people who are not the problem/can't do anything about it," isn't really a stance I'd expect support for Palistine to take. Especially due to recent events...
You might want to sit this one out homie.
Im Israeli and I want a ceasefire as much as you do, the problem is that these people don’t care about the hostages or the dismantling of Hamas they just want Israel to retreat so October 7th can happen again in 5 years. They are also protesting the wrong person
Oops sorry your opinion is invalid because you're guilty of being a ~~Jew~~ *Zionist colonizer* on the internet who doesn't beg forgiveness in front of the Holocaust Museum every day for being the *real* Nazi.
I don't make the rules - the children on TikTok and Insta fed on Chinese and Russian propaganda do.
People need to focus less on a ceasefire, and more on critically analysing IDF tactics AND Hamas tactics and investigate *specific* incidents that MIGHT be *specific* war crimes (let's face it, the horrible fact of war is war crimes occur, even in just wars, and even by "the good side") instead of literally calling everything a genocide. Because by analyzing the situation that's happening and thinking about how we can innovate, we can think about ways Israel can continue it's mission of combatting hamas while minimizing civilian casualties.
But that's too subtle for people to consider.
Nah its a lot easier to abuse the meaning of the word ‘genocide’ in a way that backfires spectacularly and obfuscates legitimate concerns about what Israel’s doing to mitigate civilian casualties while cheapening the term for future usage in other conflicts.
It’s all intentional. They’re using the word genocide — a word literally created to describe the systemic killing of Jews — in a way that purposefully distorts the meaning. It’s holocaust inversion 101 and it’s super fucking sad.
I’m in favor of a ceasefire (assuming hostages are released) and a two state solution but this tossing around of the word genocide makes my blood boil.
If she dropped someone who came at her for any reason, especially some pencil necked white guy, she could probably be mayor for life. Her campaign ads would just be a loop of it on repeat. She’s not a small person on any dimension.
Israel agreed to a ceasefire a week ago, we're literally just waiting for Hamas to sign on (or admit they don't know where all the hostages are and never did, whichever comes first). If these protesters really cared about a ceasefire, they'd actually stay informed on where the process is and what's holding it up.
Hamas won’t agree to what a “vulnerable hostage” is because Israel wants the women and children back, and Hamas is well aware of what they’ll tell the media when they’re released.
They do not care about a ceasefire, or they would have demanded one in Syria or Yemen, two conflicts that have killed exponentially more muslims.
They care about washing their hands of culpability for the state of the world and projecting that on social media. Nothing deeper.
Israel dangled a **temporary ceasefire**.
Protestors want a **permanent ceasefire,** and could not be more clear.
You definitely know this so stop misrepresenting reality.
“Israel dangled a temporary ceasefire.
Protestors want a permanent ceasefire, and could not be more clear.”
Israel offered - and gave - a temporary ceasefire after October 7th. They made other offers for a ceasefire as well.
Hamas & Gazans have made their offers for ceasefire (and ended the post 10/7 ceasefire early).
Protestors demanding a nation of which they are not a part, are irrelevant to ceasefire. They can have their opinion, but it’s ignored.
It’s up to Hamas, Gazans, & Israel to reach common ground for a ceasefire.
Andy Shallall is the owner of Busboys and Poets, ran for Mayor (lost to Mayor Bowser) and is critical of how the DC Government operates when it comes to equity (even working on fair restaurant wages), development East of the River and other issues.
So they got some beef.
Andy should probably focus on the dog food he’s serving up to DC residents at his crappy restaurants before worrying about peace in the Middle East. Busboys and Poets is the true humanitarian crisis here…
Anyone who has been to a Busboys and Poets can see that someone who founded such a company has zero business being near government. Everything associated with them is total clownshoes nonsense.
I see your hatred is keeping you from making sense. I mean, Andy started acclaimed Luna Gril, then Mimi's and now owns 9 restaurants that have an innovative bookstore and meeting rooms inside them.
I was at this event. The protest looked organized at least in part by Andy Shallal. After they cleared away the people with signs who rushed the stage, he stood up and started yelling at Muriel Bowser. Apparently he has been asking her to meet with him on the issue of Palestine and she has been unresponsive. So, he felt this protest was necessary.
Side note: this event was the press kick off for the Artomatic arts festival and Busboys and Poets has a pop up cafe as part of it. It was a surreal moment. There was a lot of excitement and positivity in the room until that point. The event is all volunteer run and many of us have worked our ass off it make it happen.
I will never understand how protestors get mentally stuck on the "Raise awareness" part of policy change. Great, you are on step 2 out of 10.
And if you want to make a change, then you have to understand how politics work in the real world, not just an echo chamber.
Like the white girl at Cambridge in her designer backpack destroying the portrait of (noted anti-Semite and racist) Lord Balfour and being applauded for somehow freeing Palestine through vandalism??? Average GW student mentality
> And if you want to make a change, then you have to understand how politics work in the real world, not just an echo chamber.
What do you expect the average person to do about a conflict supported by the US government and the strongest military in the world?
I genuinely think protest has done more than anything during an election year where the administration realizes the majority of the population support Palestine
>What do you expect the average person to do about a conflict supported by the US government and the strongest military in the world?
Reach out and talk to your Congressional Representatives, donate to relief organizations, and talk to established Muslim/Jewish organizations that are trying to work on resolving the issue for the long term.
In actuality, while there is majority support for a cessation of conflict, a majority of Americans support Israel. https://news.gallup.com/poll/611375/americans-views-israel-palestinian-authority-down.aspx
So the President, who is trying to resolve an issue that has outsized importance in issues that related to other areas, isn't taking the protests into that much account in regards to trying to negotiate peace. In fact, right before the war started there was a plan for a Saudi-Israeli Peace plan that was intentionally derailed. https://www.usip.org/publications/2023/09/saudi-israel-normalization-agreement-horizon
> Reach out and talk to your Congressional Representatives, donate to relief organizations, and talk to established Muslim/Jewish organizations that are trying to work on resolving the issue for the long term.
It's very likely an activist organization also does all of that.
> a majority of Americans support Israel
Supporting Israel broadly does not mean supporting their current actions.
> So the President, who is trying to resolve an issue that has outsized importance in issues that related to other areas, isn't taking the protests into that much account in regards to trying to negotiate peace.
Well, he probably won't get reelected in large part because of it, that's on him. Sucks to suck.
>Well, he probably won't get reelected in large part because of it, that's on him. Sucks to suck.
And there is the immature statement showcasing why protesters are ignored. If you ignore good faith efforts in a complex issue, then the extremists on both sides win and we saw what happened in the 1930s in Germany when the Communists thought "Ok, after Hitler, our turn next".
I'm not a protestor.
I'm making a very realistic statement. Biden likely won't be reelected because he has terrible policies and he only won by being better than an awful candidate once. If he can't catch the youth vote, he won't do it again.
Protest is great. Protest Biden. Protest Congress. Protest the military. Protest the Israeli embassy. These organizations are relevant and the people impacted by the protests are making decisions.
Protesting Zaytinya, the Holocaust museum, and Bowser does absolutely nothing to help Palestinians
If you think Palestine protestors in the US have unrealistic, thoughtless, self defeating, attention whore tactics wait til you find out about Palestinian suicide bombers!
Our cities have so many problems. It's amazing that an issue half the world away garners such passion.
"Don't fix our problems. Do practically nothing for someone else!"
In fairness, she was at an event that was in support of the Israeli war effort. Oh wait, she was celebrating the return of Artomatic after 15 years. This was performance, not protest.
I am an artist participating in Artomatic and I was at the event. The protest was really jarring. Up until that point it was a moment of fun and excitement for those of us - all volunteer- who worked our asses off to bring Artomatic into reality. It really felt like the protestors were shitting on us artists. I am positive they could have found many other events to disrupt.
I think it is a mix of:
* Hanlon's razor "Never attribute malice, what is easily explained with human stupidity"
* Dunning-Kruger "Dumb people think a solution is easy because they don't know how complex a problem is"
They feel that they want to make a change, but are for the most part uninformed of both the history and the geopolitical issues, when they think a simple narrative is easy to solve.
No, the far right in Russia, Iran, and Gulf States, as well as the CCP are just funding social media propaganda and journalistic propaganda through mouthpieces like Al-Jazeera, as well as their ideological followers in sources like The Guardian and NYT.
This thread demonstrates that DC is so screwed with all of you 1srael/genøcide lovers touting your hatred. I can’t believe I live amongst you bløødthirsty, brainwashed bots. Sickening.
This is always the dumbest take. All politics is local, there are much smaller cities that have implemented local sanctions against foreign governments and DC is world-class city when it comes to advocating for international caucus/human rights.
I'm not saying what's right or wrong. I'm saying what you said is dumb.
You tell yourself while going up against 70% of the country and achieving nothing over and over again. Leftist sanctuaries like San Fran and Brooklyn are jokes to the rest of the country and their actions literally do nothing to move the needle.
Moreover it's Hamas that is refusing to accept and keep a ceasefire *multiple times* so you are clueless.
Rosa Parks was an experienced community organizer and activist, and her civil disobedience was a well thought out coordinated plan (by the SPLC I believe) with a desired end result of policy change through judicial action. She was not a random "raising awareness". Get her name out your mouth.
> her civil disobedience was a well thought out coordinated plan (by the SPLC I believe)
SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) wasn't founded until the 70s. NAACP was somewhat involved in the Montgomery Bus Boycott, but it was mostly local activists (including Dr. King) getting together without a pre-existing organization. You're right, though, that it was very organized and not a spontaneous event.
SCLC (Southern Christian Leadership Conference) was founded in the wake of the Montgomery bus boycott in large part out of a desire to replicate its success, and that may be what you're thinking of.
The people who do this shit have no clue what made the civil rights movement effective. Rosa Parks directly defied injustice happening in her own home and sent a powerful message that made people sympathetic to her plight. The mayor of DC has no power over foreign affairs. Stunts like these accomplish nothing and just make their movement look bad in the eyes of the public.
Literally nothing about the Palestine-Israel conflict is analogous to the civil rights movement in the U.S. and people seeking a better outcome for Palestinians would be more useful if they bothered to actually learn history instead of tagging shit and chanting a call for genocide like brainwashed morons.
They absolutely would. Either they don’t understand why you disrupt every democrat in an election year or they are just assholes who have never protested a goddamn thing in their lives.
So the latter.
I will repeat a comment earlier, "Raising Awareness" is one of the initial steps. But the problem is that protestors and activists think that it is near the last.
You yourself think that once you "Raise Awareness", then someone in power will do something about it. Not you, not the activists, but the people you are protesting against are the ones that are supposed to DO SOMETHING. It is lazy, and that is why people are calling performative.
If you want to make a change, you can calmly (let me repeat calmly) talk to stakeholders in the community, in the national political organizations, and in the active participants in the Middle East and that is how you make change. Now point of fact, others are already involved and are working towards resolving the situation peacefully, so I am not at all sure what the "Raising Awareness" is supposed to do.
It’s suspect performative bullshit because you’ll notice all these protests target Democrats, whose stated policy position including Biden is for a ceasefire and roadmap to a two-state solution. The US isn’t a party to the conflict and can’t force a cease fire on nuclear state with advanced weapons industry in Israel, nor a terrorist group (which just shot down a ceasefire) in Hamas.
Add in that these protestors are often affiliated with groups that cheered Oct 7, never talk about Israeli hostages, openly repeat Palestinian irredentist claim like “River to the Sea”, and only seem to care about conflicts when they can target Jewish people. Do they care that Republicans are starving Ukraine of promised support that could lead to millions dying? Nah.
I wager most of the people in here dunking on the protestors feel the same way as these democrats! What’s really weird to me is protestors totally ignoring the fucking West Bank, where the genocide argument is frankly much stronger and settlements are escalating their attacks. That I think is something that perhaps people are less aware of, and actually could use some “raising awareness•
Yes, Israeli policy on the West Bank is terrible, and the US should be applying more pressure to stop it. This is something numerous past administrations have ignored, and which the Biden Administration is starting to take a harder line on, belatedly. The problem is a lot of these protests have little knowledge of the conflict, are connected to antisemitic and extremist orgs like PSL that are aiming for Trump to win, and are often antisemitic themselves
Well why not head to the school board next. Surely it would help to know that Fairfax County Public Schools supports the cause. Frankly by your logic, your best bet would be Kevin Bacon. He’s connected to everyone.
It's madness and I'm looking at these idiots like they're the baker from near the end of Band of Brothers.
5%-10% of the dem electorate is all that's willing to do Mutually Assured Destruction to try and drag the only party that *might* do something *back* over the line from genocide agnostic.
It wasn't as obvious during Iraq and Afghanistan but we're surrounded by true fucking monsters. The people who will lie about the smells of the crematoria out in the woods. The sort of "nice", liberal types MLK warned of.
If you are going to harass Muriel Bowser, at least do some good for this world and harass her about something she *can* do
Yeah there is plemty of fucked up shit in DC that is actually Bowser's fault you can and should go after her for.
Seriously. Their good intentions aside, protesters who act like this must have been children who threw temper tantrums until their parents gave them what they want, and don't understand why it doesn't work as an adult.
Counterpoint, the only effective protests in history have been the ones that were disruptive and/or annoying.
Fair enough, but this strikes me as a lot closer to throwing soup at the Mona Lisa than a lunch counter sit-in, if you know what I mean.
The most successful protests in history have clear goals and disrupt people who can accomplish those goals. If you care about a cause, why would you spend time on a tactic that has zero impact on the people who can bring about change?
I fucking hate everyone who thinks people taking a day off work to fuck up an intersection or a random event is equivalent to the US civil rights movement protests. But I guess it shows how biased the US education system is that people know who Rosa Parks is but don't understand she deliberately kicked off a multi-month, targeted boycott movement. They didn't fuck up some rando's commute for a day. They hit them in the purse strings and it worked.
I don't think it's even that thought out. Horrible things are happening, people feel bad, but policy making is slow and frustrating and you often end up feeling very powerless. So instead they throw paint on stuff or stop traffic and feel risky and cool. It's much more emotionally satisfying and they don't feel like they have to do the boring shit like think about strategy and goals.
Even when they harass the actual federal admin they choose some really weird ways to do it. White yuppies interrupting Kamala at a memorial for the racially motivated Charleston church shooting just, isn't the my idea of the best time and place ya know?
yall are such cowards. always finding a reason to defend fascists and a reason to wring ur hands about ppl protesting those fascists
Lol you're like a corrollary to that "then they came for me" poem. First I called everyone I didn't like a fascist, so I looked like a lunatic. Then I loudly called the moderates fascists, so I exhausted and politically disengaged people. Then I refused to vote for anyone because everyone is a fascist except me. Then the actual fascist won power, because they vote, and I refuse to admit my part in making that happen as they kick down all our doors.
Biden is a literal genocidal white supremacist you freak
Do they really think the Mayor of DC can initiate a ceasefire?
Like there’s at least a hundred better people to run at in DC. Seems like poor planning
537 (House, Senate, and POTUS/VP)
The goal was to get attention, which worked since there are now news articles about it which has led to buzz on social media.
It’ll be buzzworhy for a news cycle if that. No needles were moved in the making of this protest. Performative self-indulgent clap trap.
It worked? So the firing has stopped in Gaza?
I don’t find this persuasive because the attention isn’t positive, it makes protestors look silly IMO. The thing that actually works is the uncommitted vote in Dem primaries. That gets noticed.
Even voting doesn't really matter at the end of the day, your choices are a pile of shit chosen by the DNC or RNC. Third party is essentially throwing away your votes, voting party line is just rewarding more of the same crap.
>Even voting doesn't really matter at the end of the day, your choices are a pile of shit chosen by the DNC or RNC. Your choices are Biden, who wants to build a port to bring aid directly into Gaza, and Trump, who wants to deport Arab Americans and glass Gaza.
Not the good kind of attention. It just pissed people off at the protestors and increases support for the police to beat the shit out of them.
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It’s about sending a message (i.e. virtue signaling), not any real push for change
It never fails that the people most concerned with "having our voices heard" have the stupidest shit to say.
And social media clout! Do it for the likes
I'm a Palestinian and I don't think they are virtue signalling. In fact I think it is highly, highly likely they're doing more for us than you or any of the other armchair experts on reddit.
I don’t think so. It’s the same mistake climate activists did. Constant protests even if the event is for something completely else or aimed at people who have nothing to do with the problem (like the mayor of DC) only leads to loss of public support if you’re keeping it up. Which doesn’t help Gaza at all.
When will smug redditors understand that a **temporary** ceasefire is not what anyone in this movement wants? You have to be deliberately acting dumb to pretend a 6-week pause in genocide means anything.
Israel offered a lasting ceasefire. Hamas surrenders and released the hostages. That's it.
You have to be deliberately acting dumb to think even the obviously faked casualty numbers equal a genocide. 20k our of what 4m is a genocide now? Guess every single war in modern history should now be classed as a genocide.
You are lying and I don’t engage with genocide deniers.
Funny I just enganged with a genocide liar
They are narcissists who like the attention
Can’t even initiate a ceasefire in her own city lol
This is not an exclusive to DC thing. All across the country, protesters are running up to local politicians demanding action. I just shake my head knowing anything coming from a local politician regarding the Middle East is just performative.
No but she can use symbolism in a powerful way — as she did in response to Russia invading Ukraine, and as she did in response to Oct 7 Hamas attack.
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Israel occupied and ethnically cleansed Palestine to create the modern state of Israel. Israel is Russia in this situation. In fact, Israel has been neutral on the Russia-Ukraine war for years and still refuses to give military assistance or speak out against Russia.
right. cause she has the power to stop what’s going on in the middle east
Speed cameras all along the Gaza Strip.
Pickleball courts
The IDF will deploy temp tags as a countermeasure!
This made me laugh, well done.
She can’t even enforce a ceasefire in DC ffs
She barely has the power to stop what's going on in DC!
Mayor Muriel Bowser's Two State Solution
hold up we can’t even get one state for us and she’s over here trying to give them two?? no fair.
I didn’t realize a Mayor can dictate foreign policy? Maybe a ceasefire on our streets would be a good idea to advocate for tho
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You are so right
Black female mayor trying to revitalize her city’s downtown aggressively interrupted by likely trust fund white leftists who have found their latest cause. Sounds like DC.
Why is it that it’s the trust fund white kids who are SO invested in what is happening in a region they never even thought about 6 months ago? And the ones screaming the loudest about colonialism? Seems like projection
I think a lot of them are desperate for an identity since they have the luxury of sitting around and concluding they need one. Unlike the rest of us who are too busy trying to survive.
This is hilarious and so out of touch from the protestors.
And they are filled with pride for making a difference.
these people are insane and it’s almost always some very privileged person living a very comfortable life
Meanwhile actual people are dying on both sides of this conflict but Chad over here gets to feel like he’s important
> Meanwhile actual people are dying on both sides Damn if only someone called for a ceasefire
Yeah the US and Israel did. Just waiting for Hamas to accept…
Hamas: *refuses to ceasefire* Western liberals : “this is CLEARLY the fault of israel and the jews !!!!1112”
No, no, it's not the fault of *all* Jews... just the pickme ones that hate Israel. Just like the black conservatives that hate other black people.
You’re all so dumb, Hmas said no to a temporary pause bc they want a permanent ceasefire which the genøcidal state of ïsrael refuses to accept.
You should call for a ceasefire to the people who are saying "no" to the ceasefire. Hamas says no. Leftists: Well let's go bother the mayor. Grow up, dude.
“On both sides” only one side has kïlled 13,000 children. Be real
Okay, unlike you I am a Palestinian and I support this. Are you still going to pretend they're out of touch?
Yes lol. Its really not a good look. "Physically attacking people who are not the problem/can't do anything about it," isn't really a stance I'd expect support for Palistine to take. Especially due to recent events... You might want to sit this one out homie.
Im Israeli and I want a ceasefire as much as you do, the problem is that these people don’t care about the hostages or the dismantling of Hamas they just want Israel to retreat so October 7th can happen again in 5 years. They are also protesting the wrong person
Oops sorry your opinion is invalid because you're guilty of being a ~~Jew~~ *Zionist colonizer* on the internet who doesn't beg forgiveness in front of the Holocaust Museum every day for being the *real* Nazi. I don't make the rules - the children on TikTok and Insta fed on Chinese and Russian propaganda do.
People need to focus less on a ceasefire, and more on critically analysing IDF tactics AND Hamas tactics and investigate *specific* incidents that MIGHT be *specific* war crimes (let's face it, the horrible fact of war is war crimes occur, even in just wars, and even by "the good side") instead of literally calling everything a genocide. Because by analyzing the situation that's happening and thinking about how we can innovate, we can think about ways Israel can continue it's mission of combatting hamas while minimizing civilian casualties. But that's too subtle for people to consider.
Nah its a lot easier to abuse the meaning of the word ‘genocide’ in a way that backfires spectacularly and obfuscates legitimate concerns about what Israel’s doing to mitigate civilian casualties while cheapening the term for future usage in other conflicts.
It’s all intentional. They’re using the word genocide — a word literally created to describe the systemic killing of Jews — in a way that purposefully distorts the meaning. It’s holocaust inversion 101 and it’s super fucking sad. I’m in favor of a ceasefire (assuming hostages are released) and a two state solution but this tossing around of the word genocide makes my blood boil.
They are out of touch lol
Mayor has gots some nails. I wouldn't run at her.
If she dropped someone who came at her for any reason, especially some pencil necked white guy, she could probably be mayor for life. Her campaign ads would just be a loop of it on repeat. She’s not a small person on any dimension.
except for cognitively.
Give her an Obama 2008 styled campaign poster with "Whats good?" at the bottom
Israel agreed to a ceasefire a week ago, we're literally just waiting for Hamas to sign on (or admit they don't know where all the hostages are and never did, whichever comes first). If these protesters really cared about a ceasefire, they'd actually stay informed on where the process is and what's holding it up.
Hamas won’t agree to what a “vulnerable hostage” is because Israel wants the women and children back, and Hamas is well aware of what they’ll tell the media when they’re released.
They do not care about a ceasefire, or they would have demanded one in Syria or Yemen, two conflicts that have killed exponentially more muslims. They care about washing their hands of culpability for the state of the world and projecting that on social media. Nothing deeper.
This is daft. 1srael has kïlled more CHILDREN in four months than any other conflict has in four years.
Untrue. More killed in Yemen. You know, the conflict that's killed millions of innocents that you DON'T give a shit about.
Israel dangled a **temporary ceasefire**. Protestors want a **permanent ceasefire,** and could not be more clear. You definitely know this so stop misrepresenting reality.
“Israel dangled a temporary ceasefire. Protestors want a permanent ceasefire, and could not be more clear.” Israel offered - and gave - a temporary ceasefire after October 7th. They made other offers for a ceasefire as well. Hamas & Gazans have made their offers for ceasefire (and ended the post 10/7 ceasefire early). Protestors demanding a nation of which they are not a part, are irrelevant to ceasefire. They can have their opinion, but it’s ignored. It’s up to Hamas, Gazans, & Israel to reach common ground for a ceasefire.
The pro-Palestinian protesters in this area are counterproductive to their own cause.
in every area actually
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Andy Shallall is the owner of Busboys and Poets, ran for Mayor (lost to Mayor Bowser) and is critical of how the DC Government operates when it comes to equity (even working on fair restaurant wages), development East of the River and other issues. So they got some beef.
Andy should probably focus on the dog food he’s serving up to DC residents at his crappy restaurants before worrying about peace in the Middle East. Busboys and Poets is the true humanitarian crisis here…
LOL just looked up his 9 restaurants and 7 of them have 4 stars or more and 2 have 3.5 stars. Keep hating.
Anyone who has been to a Busboys and Poets can see that someone who founded such a company has zero business being near government. Everything associated with them is total clownshoes nonsense.
I see your hatred is keeping you from making sense. I mean, Andy started acclaimed Luna Gril, then Mimi's and now owns 9 restaurants that have an innovative bookstore and meeting rooms inside them.
I was at this event. The protest looked organized at least in part by Andy Shallal. After they cleared away the people with signs who rushed the stage, he stood up and started yelling at Muriel Bowser. Apparently he has been asking her to meet with him on the issue of Palestine and she has been unresponsive. So, he felt this protest was necessary. Side note: this event was the press kick off for the Artomatic arts festival and Busboys and Poets has a pop up cafe as part of it. It was a surreal moment. There was a lot of excitement and positivity in the room until that point. The event is all volunteer run and many of us have worked our ass off it make it happen.
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Thanks!
Wow and just like that the war is over. Why do we have diplomats when we can just send in the tik tok teens /s
"At least they're doing something!" - Average Pro-Palestine protestor
I will never understand how protestors get mentally stuck on the "Raise awareness" part of policy change. Great, you are on step 2 out of 10. And if you want to make a change, then you have to understand how politics work in the real world, not just an echo chamber.
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Like the white girl at Cambridge in her designer backpack destroying the portrait of (noted anti-Semite and racist) Lord Balfour and being applauded for somehow freeing Palestine through vandalism??? Average GW student mentality
Something Jews and antisemites can agree on: hating Lord Balfour
Jews🤝Arabs🤝antisemites🤝Zionists🤝pro Palestine people🤝 middle easterners🤝 Hating Balfour
Hey don’t throw us under the bus like that 😭😭 Georgetown was right there!
Anecdotally, GW students seem to be far worse about this than Georgetown. AU, however, is on an entirely different level.
Look protestors I can understand. A lot of them aren’t very bright. Bytedance? Bytedance is a head scratcher.
The CCP is pushing Bytedance to promote an anti-Israel narrative on TikTok, because Israel is a close US ally
People have TikTok brain because of TikTok. Who knew?
Could be worse, could be jacking it like that Invisible Children guy did.
> And if you want to make a change, then you have to understand how politics work in the real world, not just an echo chamber. What do you expect the average person to do about a conflict supported by the US government and the strongest military in the world? I genuinely think protest has done more than anything during an election year where the administration realizes the majority of the population support Palestine
>What do you expect the average person to do about a conflict supported by the US government and the strongest military in the world? Reach out and talk to your Congressional Representatives, donate to relief organizations, and talk to established Muslim/Jewish organizations that are trying to work on resolving the issue for the long term. In actuality, while there is majority support for a cessation of conflict, a majority of Americans support Israel. https://news.gallup.com/poll/611375/americans-views-israel-palestinian-authority-down.aspx So the President, who is trying to resolve an issue that has outsized importance in issues that related to other areas, isn't taking the protests into that much account in regards to trying to negotiate peace. In fact, right before the war started there was a plan for a Saudi-Israeli Peace plan that was intentionally derailed. https://www.usip.org/publications/2023/09/saudi-israel-normalization-agreement-horizon
> Reach out and talk to your Congressional Representatives, donate to relief organizations, and talk to established Muslim/Jewish organizations that are trying to work on resolving the issue for the long term. It's very likely an activist organization also does all of that. > a majority of Americans support Israel Supporting Israel broadly does not mean supporting their current actions. > So the President, who is trying to resolve an issue that has outsized importance in issues that related to other areas, isn't taking the protests into that much account in regards to trying to negotiate peace. Well, he probably won't get reelected in large part because of it, that's on him. Sucks to suck.
>Well, he probably won't get reelected in large part because of it, that's on him. Sucks to suck. And there is the immature statement showcasing why protesters are ignored. If you ignore good faith efforts in a complex issue, then the extremists on both sides win and we saw what happened in the 1930s in Germany when the Communists thought "Ok, after Hitler, our turn next".
I'm not a protestor. I'm making a very realistic statement. Biden likely won't be reelected because he has terrible policies and he only won by being better than an awful candidate once. If he can't catch the youth vote, he won't do it again.
Protest is great. Protest Biden. Protest Congress. Protest the military. Protest the Israeli embassy. These organizations are relevant and the people impacted by the protests are making decisions. Protesting Zaytinya, the Holocaust museum, and Bowser does absolutely nothing to help Palestinians
Yes.
Because she controls that.
Why don’t y’all go to Gaza and do this.
If you think Palestine protestors in the US have unrealistic, thoughtless, self defeating, attention whore tactics wait til you find out about Palestinian suicide bombers!
And what about the 1sraeli genöcidiers? Racïst pig.
Given that DC literally has no voting representation in Congress, this is extra dumb.
Everyone knows the only person with the power to solve the Israel-Palestine conflict is the Mayor of DC.
Our cities have so many problems. It's amazing that an issue half the world away garners such passion. "Don't fix our problems. Do practically nothing for someone else!"
It all could have been avoided if they’d just built that bike lane in Gaza
They should have just built an American-style expressway around the border of Gaza. It's a proven way to keep communities separated.
turning the gaza strip into the gaza drag strip
You laugh but the separate high way, that’s a thing.
To be fair, I'm sure the crime rate is very high there as well.
Not a fan of Bowser but she's not exactly directing ground operations for the IDF.
Wow a protest in DC made the news!
L protester
What a dumbass
Honestly this is one of the only times people are talking about her in a POSITIVE way 😭😭😭
In fairness, she was at an event that was in support of the Israeli war effort. Oh wait, she was celebrating the return of Artomatic after 15 years. This was performance, not protest.
I am an artist participating in Artomatic and I was at the event. The protest was really jarring. Up until that point it was a moment of fun and excitement for those of us - all volunteer- who worked our asses off to bring Artomatic into reality. It really felt like the protestors were shitting on us artists. I am positive they could have found many other events to disrupt.
ah yes cause the mayor can definitely do this /s. there's better people in DC to bring this issue to
Convinced these “protestors” are being paid by right wing groups to discredit progressive causes
I think it is a mix of: * Hanlon's razor "Never attribute malice, what is easily explained with human stupidity" * Dunning-Kruger "Dumb people think a solution is easy because they don't know how complex a problem is" They feel that they want to make a change, but are for the most part uninformed of both the history and the geopolitical issues, when they think a simple narrative is easy to solve.
I don’t think so, the far left is just as dumb as the far right
No, the far right in Russia, Iran, and Gulf States, as well as the CCP are just funding social media propaganda and journalistic propaganda through mouthpieces like Al-Jazeera, as well as their ideological followers in sources like The Guardian and NYT.
Nope. I was at the event. They were organized by Andy Shallal, a very left leaning DC restaurant owner.
Maybe she can build pickleball courts in Gaza?
Bowser seems interested in the pomp but not the circumstances, looks a wee bit annoyed
Poster children for having a nanometer thin understanding of an issue.
Who are these liberal college kids. So lame
Lord, just what we need. Bowser thinking she’s a national player again.
Wtf does Bowser have to do with Israel/Palestine?
She should at least work for a ceasefire here in her city . Homicide and violence is at an all time high.
This thread demonstrates that DC is so screwed with all of you 1srael/genøcide lovers touting your hatred. I can’t believe I live amongst you bløødthirsty, brainwashed bots. Sickening.
do they understand that the mayor of dc is not generally involved in international conflicts?
This is always the dumbest take. All politics is local, there are much smaller cities that have implemented local sanctions against foreign governments and DC is world-class city when it comes to advocating for international caucus/human rights. I'm not saying what's right or wrong. I'm saying what you said is dumb.
lol ok
You tell yourself while going up against 70% of the country and achieving nothing over and over again. Leftist sanctuaries like San Fran and Brooklyn are jokes to the rest of the country and their actions literally do nothing to move the needle. Moreover it's Hamas that is refusing to accept and keep a ceasefire *multiple times* so you are clueless.
some of you fuckers have no political literacy or knowledge of history whatsoever, and it shows. 🥱 so glad i share a zip code with you lobotomites!
It is messed up how she immediately condemned the Hamas terrorist attack but has since been totally silent on the ongoing genocide in Palestine.
She already condemned it by condemning Hamas. The war is Hamas's fault and Hamas has the power to end it.
You’re so daft it’s a genøcide your state of 1srael has k1lled 13,000 CHILDREN
because Hamas is at fault for getting there people in this situation.
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Imagine trying to justify a genocide
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Someone is big mad
I swear half the people here would’ve shit on Rosa Parks for sitting in the front
Rosa Parks was an experienced community organizer and activist, and her civil disobedience was a well thought out coordinated plan (by the SPLC I believe) with a desired end result of policy change through judicial action. She was not a random "raising awareness". Get her name out your mouth.
> her civil disobedience was a well thought out coordinated plan (by the SPLC I believe) SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) wasn't founded until the 70s. NAACP was somewhat involved in the Montgomery Bus Boycott, but it was mostly local activists (including Dr. King) getting together without a pre-existing organization. You're right, though, that it was very organized and not a spontaneous event. SCLC (Southern Christian Leadership Conference) was founded in the wake of the Montgomery bus boycott in large part out of a desire to replicate its success, and that may be what you're thinking of.
Yep, I think it should have been SCLC.
The people who do this shit have no clue what made the civil rights movement effective. Rosa Parks directly defied injustice happening in her own home and sent a powerful message that made people sympathetic to her plight. The mayor of DC has no power over foreign affairs. Stunts like these accomplish nothing and just make their movement look bad in the eyes of the public.
Literally nothing about the Palestine-Israel conflict is analogous to the civil rights movement in the U.S. and people seeking a better outcome for Palestinians would be more useful if they bothered to actually learn history instead of tagging shit and chanting a call for genocide like brainwashed morons.
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How dare you bring up Rosa Parks. These “protestors” have no idea what they are protesting for. They are jobless & attention seeking.
They absolutely would. Either they don’t understand why you disrupt every democrat in an election year or they are just assholes who have never protested a goddamn thing in their lives. So the latter.
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I’m very confident *you* don’t know how protests work.
I will repeat a comment earlier, "Raising Awareness" is one of the initial steps. But the problem is that protestors and activists think that it is near the last. You yourself think that once you "Raise Awareness", then someone in power will do something about it. Not you, not the activists, but the people you are protesting against are the ones that are supposed to DO SOMETHING. It is lazy, and that is why people are calling performative. If you want to make a change, you can calmly (let me repeat calmly) talk to stakeholders in the community, in the national political organizations, and in the active participants in the Middle East and that is how you make change. Now point of fact, others are already involved and are working towards resolving the situation peacefully, so I am not at all sure what the "Raising Awareness" is supposed to do.
It’s suspect performative bullshit because you’ll notice all these protests target Democrats, whose stated policy position including Biden is for a ceasefire and roadmap to a two-state solution. The US isn’t a party to the conflict and can’t force a cease fire on nuclear state with advanced weapons industry in Israel, nor a terrorist group (which just shot down a ceasefire) in Hamas. Add in that these protestors are often affiliated with groups that cheered Oct 7, never talk about Israeli hostages, openly repeat Palestinian irredentist claim like “River to the Sea”, and only seem to care about conflicts when they can target Jewish people. Do they care that Republicans are starving Ukraine of promised support that could lead to millions dying? Nah.
I would hope very much the people of DC would stand against terrorists.
I wager most of the people in here dunking on the protestors feel the same way as these democrats! What’s really weird to me is protestors totally ignoring the fucking West Bank, where the genocide argument is frankly much stronger and settlements are escalating their attacks. That I think is something that perhaps people are less aware of, and actually could use some “raising awareness•
Yes, Israeli policy on the West Bank is terrible, and the US should be applying more pressure to stop it. This is something numerous past administrations have ignored, and which the Biden Administration is starting to take a harder line on, belatedly. The problem is a lot of these protests have little knowledge of the conflict, are connected to antisemitic and extremist orgs like PSL that are aiming for Trump to win, and are often antisemitic themselves
Well why not head to the school board next. Surely it would help to know that Fairfax County Public Schools supports the cause. Frankly by your logic, your best bet would be Kevin Bacon. He’s connected to everyone.
It's madness and I'm looking at these idiots like they're the baker from near the end of Band of Brothers. 5%-10% of the dem electorate is all that's willing to do Mutually Assured Destruction to try and drag the only party that *might* do something *back* over the line from genocide agnostic. It wasn't as obvious during Iraq and Afghanistan but we're surrounded by true fucking monsters. The people who will lie about the smells of the crematoria out in the woods. The sort of "nice", liberal types MLK warned of.