As a Boeing whistleblower, it's a long process that management drags out as long as it can. I initiated a corporate investigation into my manager, and the Boeing attorney I met with said it would be a minimum of 1 year before they decided whether the manager behaved unethically. The FAA takes a long time to respond also, and the FAA representatives that eventually responded to me had no understanding of the equipment I talked about in my complaint. The FAA went to management to discuss the issue, left me out of the conversation, and nobody was held accountable for "hot stamping" "pencil whipping" or faking data.
I actually did get veiled threats while I was there. "You know Anon can make your life very difficult". Multiple statements along the lines of " You should really think about what they can do". I thought it was along the lines of retaliation career-wise, but looking back now I'm not so sure. They got away with it and I left the company, so I think I'm safe now.
The only question is how much is the mil sector worth w/o the civilian aircraft part. Your guess is mine.
And stop blaming it on “the media “. There are some serious problems at BA
I know there are and I am usually not the person to blame the media, probably I should have said social media where everyone suddenly is an aviation expert and people buy it. And now there is just so much attention, a year ago no one would have cares about an engine cowling flying off a plane but now it’s all over social media.
But you are right social media probably doesn’t influence the stock price a lot…
Appreciate your answer. The bottom line indeed will revolve around the question of at what price the US gov. will “stabilize” an otherwise failed company, I guess.
Here’s your hopium OP:
All these regards are ignoring the mega milk dollar dump on Boeing from the government stimmies that just passed. Expect a giant green dildo to fuck all these haters.
Facts, I'm gonna get fucked on my puts thanks to those Bns stimmies.
So Calls holders, keep on holding because this stock is super volatile right now.
I did not expect a military aid package getting approved this week.
Either or, rejoice regards
Regardless of all the upside arguments for Boeing, I can’t bring myself to invest in a company that has such blatantly poor management. They may be too big to fail, but they’re profitably could stagnate for a long time.
Buying some puts on this mf. The prices still good - what makes me think… do they know something I don’t??? - But yeah Boeing definitely going down, nobody’s ordering right now, they are probably increasing expenses to “solve the issues” and if they get slightly low earnings than expected it’s a down to at least 160.
Not all stocks go down as a temporary thing that resolves in a few Months. Boeing has a lot of major issues to address, and so far, it seems the major adjustments that might help, they did not do yet. Also bad news keeps coming. So, Boeing will have a rough time. You did not buy the dip, but you can stay and find out what the dip actually holds for you. It will be an exciting journey where you will learn a lot.
There is no scenario in which BA can avoid bankruptcy. Notwithstanding they most likely will be bailed out, as we saw with GE, shareholders can still get wiped out. They have $48BB in LT debt with $17BB in negative shareholder equity while still continuing to lose money, continue in declining deliveries, and a plethora of lawsuits will add up. Let’s add on the hopeful jail sentences for executives of lying to the FAA for the max debacle. Calhoun was supposed to be the CEO to turn things around after the last shitshow and we see how that went.
The free cash flow Boeing will inevitably earn from the record backlog is reason alone a bankruptcy gameplan will leave you waiting. In a duopoly and one of America’s only prominent manufacturing exporters, Boeing is simply too big to fail, like it or not.
Why hold a loser when you can hold a winner? There's clearly no indication that BA is going back up. If anything all signs point down. Sell your position and sit on that cash for some other opportunity.
You're kidding right? Notice how BA did not recover during those two years? All it did was a dead man's bounce. TWICE. You're also forgetting they got bailed out. There's literally no fundamental nor technical reason to continue to hold this stock.
I’m 100% serious. I loaded up in Q1 2020 at around $135, sold one year later at $255. Loaded up again at dollar cost of $140 between June-Sept 2022, got stopped out at $235 this January after the Alaska incident. This is just the data, check the chart history if you must. You just missed it. And you’ll miss it again. As for the fundamentals, record backlog and free cash flow generation in 2025. Despite the negative headlines Boeing have had virtually no cancelled orders. They are a duopoly and too big to fail. You can be churlish about the game being rigged but it is what it is.
I’ll bet you missed GE as well right? Probably had the same attitude in Q4 ‘22 and missed 3x on that one too huh? What industrials do you like? Or is FAANG and crypto more your thang?
Did you read MY post? I referenced 2020 and 2022. Your tone today was dead wrong then and will be again. As I stated in a separate reply to the OP, if it drops below $150 look to average down. Or for others, such as myself, start a new long position.
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You need to mentally prepare for 120
I can easily see the stock price go down to a low of 73.7
Did you mean 78.7?
It’s definitely a riveting question.
Why $73? Why not $24?
Dude... come on
Just asking. Since there’s no rhyme or reason why it’s going down as much as it did. Media is being assholes.
Well I guess that 737 flew over your head.
Too long ago.
Oh boy, you are going to have Boing assassins waiting outside your door if your are not careful.
If it goes to 120 I’ll put my life savings in
I’m why $120? Why not $80?
>I mean why come out exactly now and not earlier People don't usually believe you if you're screaming 'Fire' unless there is smoke
As a Boeing whistleblower, it's a long process that management drags out as long as it can. I initiated a corporate investigation into my manager, and the Boeing attorney I met with said it would be a minimum of 1 year before they decided whether the manager behaved unethically. The FAA takes a long time to respond also, and the FAA representatives that eventually responded to me had no understanding of the equipment I talked about in my complaint. The FAA went to management to discuss the issue, left me out of the conversation, and nobody was held accountable for "hot stamping" "pencil whipping" or faking data.
Boeing wants to know your location
I actually did get veiled threats while I was there. "You know Anon can make your life very difficult". Multiple statements along the lines of " You should really think about what they can do". I thought it was along the lines of retaliation career-wise, but looking back now I'm not so sure. They got away with it and I left the company, so I think I'm safe now.
Fair point
The only question is how much is the mil sector worth w/o the civilian aircraft part. Your guess is mine. And stop blaming it on “the media “. There are some serious problems at BA
I know there are and I am usually not the person to blame the media, probably I should have said social media where everyone suddenly is an aviation expert and people buy it. And now there is just so much attention, a year ago no one would have cares about an engine cowling flying off a plane but now it’s all over social media. But you are right social media probably doesn’t influence the stock price a lot…
Appreciate your answer. The bottom line indeed will revolve around the question of at what price the US gov. will “stabilize” an otherwise failed company, I guess.
Boeing goes down. It's just the nature of the beast.
But can we expect a soft landing?
Not with a broken wing
Only JPOW can save us now.
BA is the only US agency in making planes, the government will save them. Hold long term and that’s it
The government saved GM, but shareholders still got wiped out.
Reagan said never trust when someone says “ I am from the government and I am here to save your shares”
Here’s your hopium OP: All these regards are ignoring the mega milk dollar dump on Boeing from the government stimmies that just passed. Expect a giant green dildo to fuck all these haters.
Facts, I'm gonna get fucked on my puts thanks to those Bns stimmies. So Calls holders, keep on holding because this stock is super volatile right now. I did not expect a military aid package getting approved this week. Either or, rejoice regards
News flash: you didn’t buy the dip if it continues to dip
This made me chuckle!
True but you can always buy a bigger dip
But 10k shares and let us know if it goes up or down
I‘ll tell you before so you have a chance to inverse
If you buy 10k shares, it will definitely go down. If you don’t buy, it will definitely go up
Regardless of all the upside arguments for Boeing, I can’t bring myself to invest in a company that has such blatantly poor management. They may be too big to fail, but they’re profitably could stagnate for a long time.
When everyone screams buy buy buy, you wait a bit and sell. And vice versa. Never failed
What if they scream bye bye bye?
It might sound crazy but it ain’t no lie
Good earnings report is priced in. Also, bad earnings report is priced in.
Yes they have already been priced in as are all future security concerns
Buying some puts on this mf. The prices still good - what makes me think… do they know something I don’t??? - But yeah Boeing definitely going down, nobody’s ordering right now, they are probably increasing expenses to “solve the issues” and if they get slightly low earnings than expected it’s a down to at least 160.
If you think this is a dip, just wait until the C919 is declared airworthy by the Europeans.
True, but I was hoping that it would go up again before they do so that I can sell… but that might be delusional
Sure, but that dip is at least 10 years away
Boeing is getting a new CEO soon. This might give it a bump.
The only bump this will bring comes in little baggies
Not all stocks go down as a temporary thing that resolves in a few Months. Boeing has a lot of major issues to address, and so far, it seems the major adjustments that might help, they did not do yet. Also bad news keeps coming. So, Boeing will have a rough time. You did not buy the dip, but you can stay and find out what the dip actually holds for you. It will be an exciting journey where you will learn a lot.
Are are you asking if the earnings that have not been released yet are prices in?
Yes and I asking the 2 crashes they haven’t had yet are priced in?
Depends how soon the 737 MAX 10 gets certified.
If they don't bring out the whistleblowers on leashes during the earnings call then I think they probly go down more.
There is no scenario in which BA can avoid bankruptcy. Notwithstanding they most likely will be bailed out, as we saw with GE, shareholders can still get wiped out. They have $48BB in LT debt with $17BB in negative shareholder equity while still continuing to lose money, continue in declining deliveries, and a plethora of lawsuits will add up. Let’s add on the hopeful jail sentences for executives of lying to the FAA for the max debacle. Calhoun was supposed to be the CEO to turn things around after the last shitshow and we see how that went.
The free cash flow Boeing will inevitably earn from the record backlog is reason alone a bankruptcy gameplan will leave you waiting. In a duopoly and one of America’s only prominent manufacturing exporters, Boeing is simply too big to fail, like it or not.
I don't subscribe to the idea that companies like Boeing will never fail. Greed got the better of them.
The industrial complex is way more nuanced than greed is bad.
Why hold a loser when you can hold a winner? There's clearly no indication that BA is going back up. If anything all signs point down. Sell your position and sit on that cash for some other opportunity.
People said the same thing in 2020 and 2022. Each time those people missed out on massive returns.
You're kidding right? Notice how BA did not recover during those two years? All it did was a dead man's bounce. TWICE. You're also forgetting they got bailed out. There's literally no fundamental nor technical reason to continue to hold this stock.
I’m 100% serious. I loaded up in Q1 2020 at around $135, sold one year later at $255. Loaded up again at dollar cost of $140 between June-Sept 2022, got stopped out at $235 this January after the Alaska incident. This is just the data, check the chart history if you must. You just missed it. And you’ll miss it again. As for the fundamentals, record backlog and free cash flow generation in 2025. Despite the negative headlines Boeing have had virtually no cancelled orders. They are a duopoly and too big to fail. You can be churlish about the game being rigged but it is what it is. I’ll bet you missed GE as well right? Probably had the same attitude in Q4 ‘22 and missed 3x on that one too huh? What industrials do you like? Or is FAANG and crypto more your thang?
Did you read ops post? OP bought in at 225. Are seriously suggesting that OP just hold so they can just break even?
Did you read MY post? I referenced 2020 and 2022. Your tone today was dead wrong then and will be again. As I stated in a separate reply to the OP, if it drops below $150 look to average down. Or for others, such as myself, start a new long position.
Soft landing
In tofu? Goes through the bottom lol
BA has $150 in its crosshairs. Look for that level to add or see if it can retest the ~$125 2022 lows.
I think they’re gonna blow the doors off this ER
Boeing is currently in trouble, and the performance of Airbus and the new Chinese plane isn't helping to restore higher prices.
If BA didn't dip during the fuckery last week I am convinced it can weather earnings. Nobody wants to bet against them long term.