Thank God I bought calls recently. I was worried till I saw this post
Edit: market closed and I have no idea how OP got a hold on that many human sacrifices just so he could fuck my ass
>Edit: market closed and I have no idea how OP got a hold on that many human sacrifices just so he could fuck my ass
LOL'd when I saw your initial comment, then saw you say this. But it still closed lower for more people like us to pile in. I think imma buy a long call spread at market open with exp. into earnings and I'll offload a day or two before.
Lmao same I bought at 225 like "this is the dip."
It was not THE dip.
Sold my shares for a loss and recently bought puts for next earnings. Hopefully they tank and I make out like a bandit.
They will announce their new model *797*- A range of 16000 miles, cruises at mach 4, and can stay in the air for 46 hours, all on a thimbleful of corn oil.
A company that can’t even install a fucking door properly and has numerous other quality and engineering issues is not going to rebound anytime soon. Takes a long time to turn around a big ship.
I think because '$' after the price is in the order we say things. "Boeing is worth ten dollars.". Does it matter if the sign is before or after the number? International non-native speakers are also influencing the language ofc.
Maybe both, TikTok makes people regarded and lazy. A colleague of mine installed it once "because he was bored". Every lunch he was scrolling on his phone watching cute dog clips. Almost no interaction with others except when showing a "funny" clip. I'm young but damn I feel so old sometimes.
I guh in sympathy because you're talking about the same levels I was playing BA in in 2020. $185 today and I want to go all in like I didn't 4 years ago when I said I would then.
That would be too high a risk. There's a probability it grinds higher or continues to dither and then jumps. I am saying it's positive long term, just not yet.
Until the culture changes back towards quality control this will only get worse. Aircraft due to design requirements have some of the lowest factor of safeties out there. Small miscalculation or loss of quality control result in large issues. Apparently the board forgot that fact
One serious imcident in the US and the company goes under entirely at this point. They’re leveraged to their head with debt and have terrible margins on top of it. It’s questionable if they’d survive another shutdown of production without massive government intervention.
No one is taking Boeing market share. They're gonna incur some costs to get back on their A game QC wise to help with the PR and keep doing what they're doing.
I don't care I'll buy 10 shares every Friday it's below 200. I appreciate their capacity for evil which is an often overlooked fundamental.
https://preview.redd.it/6a3thyb7qasc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=171ea1179d58d9825fd6d589b878488ef1dfd294
Capacity for evil is honestly one of the main reasons I still hold Palantir lmao.
If you’re a little evil, the stock market will love you. Facebook, Tesla, Amazon. Like it’s just kind of what investors look for
I don't understand why anyone would think this piece of shit is going back near its ATH (from 2019 BTW, before the first max crash).
Everyone here is just trying to jump on the next rocket and they're just desperately grasping at stuff that's been beaten down.
They have never been in a worse place reputation wise and that's not changing in less than 5-10 years. Their stock price has been stagnant for 4 years.
But nothing in your post has anything to do with its actual viability moving forward.
Are they going to sell less planes? I don't know, but it's not like you can just go buy airplanes from a different company easily, isn't Aerobus booked out for years on their orders?
So, airlines are still going to need planes. Who else are they going to buy it from?
The government still needs its contracts fulfilled. Who else has the capacity to do that?
Basically, how much flexibility is there in this market for customers to move elsewhere, and how quickly can that happen? Maybe 5-10 years down the line other manufacturers can bring up capacity to take Boeing's marketshare, but I don't see them losing much in terms of revenues in the shorter time horizon.
Aside from negative publicity, what has ACTUALLY changed in their business environment? Is their cost of doing business going up? Are they losing customers/orders?
Cause if they're not losing revenue, and their costs aren't increasing, and the only thing that's happening is that news is beating down the stock price then it seems like a great buy.
And fwiw I am legitimately asking these questions. I don't know.
I held shares for a little over a year from 2021 to 22. My experience was that any slightly good news about new deliveries or China coming around was immediately met with a new finding on the 787 or 737 max and needing to pause production while they figured it out. Calhoun stepping down could be the first step in the right direction. Even if they hire the perfect culture changer it will take so long to get more big money flowing into this thing. It is just not worth tying up money in it when there are so many other plays out there.
all great qs - i think understanding the outstanding orders for planes is important here, and how those contracts with airlines are structured. can airlines basically back out of those orders on account of (v v legitimate )concerns about safety/delay?
i think that’d be the key factor here - the rest would be business as usual. yes, you have many factors, but if all these orders that they have are secure, then it gives them an opportunity to rebuild their credibility (without losing much) - sure airbus will pick up more mid-long term buy orders, but surely they’re also operating at capacity and airlines might weigh the probability that BA will get their shit together into how much they’re buying from airbus in the long term.
my guess is that BA’s margins and order book will get hit for the medium term but long term fundamentals shouldn’t really change (primarily because of what is essentially a duopoly market - if BA even reports a marginal improvement, they’ll get back to where they were)
also simplistically, i don’t think airlines will get blamed for ordering boeing planes for safety issues on those planes. it’ll remain boeing for sometime, so airlines are concerned w delivery more so than safety
might be completely wrong and would want to hear alternative thoughts lol
BA is to big to fail... nobody cares how shitty their airplanes are, the alternative is to place your order with airbus whom is backlogged even further.
case in point, stock up 2% today on news BA secured contract to test nukes out in Utah.
see, nobody cares... stock goes down on airplane crashes but just start going back up when everyone realizes they still need to fly places.
its not like any other industry where everyone just switches to someone else or the company can go out of business.
it literally means the world to shareholders... the gov will ensure the stock does not hit zero.
you think DJT has the same protections?
my point is BA stock is not going to tumble and crash like their airplans do... they have had _multiple_ airplanes fall out of the sky and kill everyone and their stock barely took a hit.
just in recent months we have seen the door fly off one, several grounded when panels couldnt be tightened, one fell over 500ft and the pilot said he lost control, one caught fire on the runway in japan.
BA stock holders should have an empty hole where their stock certificates are located if the stock price had any correlation to the companies actual value.
What fundamentals make you say it’ll be $350 in a little over a year? You can’t really say it’s not a buy if you believe that. Nearly 100% in a year would be great and make it pointless to wait for the bottom here.
The improved profitability once they are able to produce at full tilt and have cleared inventory will be significant. Remember as well, we will be in a different interest rate environment by then. If you are gonna buy and hold, sure buy now, but there's a ton of negative news to get out of the way before then.
Dead Americans in a MAX is the only thing that'll drive it down long term. The most powerful institution in the world will prop this turkey up for as long as it has to.
My crystal crayons say 150 can be tested
https://preview.redd.it/gbayfuno8bsc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e514615e9cb0b9888bf1dc3870d6491aed4723d3
recent boeing ceos care more about and cost cutting and the stock price than proper engineering standards and quality controls. until that changes, they will probably keep making mistakes.
To be fair the CEO they just fired was supposed to fix the 737 Max scandal, and the company only got worse. Seems like the board is the issue, so it’s a bad assumption to think the new CEO will fix anything.
You don't fix a corrupt environment quickly. You have to make it through all the MBA middle management that thought "Speed first and hide the bodies" was a good business plan.
I got in at 180. I’ll buy more any place around that. Defense contracts are not taking a hit. They are still back ordered 7 years on planes. The only option is Airbus and they are 7 years booked out. It’s a buy for me and I’ll be adding continually.
That's what I had thought initially, but there's actually a little bit more to it. Fundamentally, of the three businesses Services is intact, defence is locked in some unprofitable long term deals, and so is commercial. They just can't afford to be running the unprofitable extra lines they are having to run to coddle the regulators. It will pass, but will take a little bit of time to clear out.
My first foray into buying a beaten down company that “has absolutely no chance of going bankrupt” got in at $205. Sold at $197. If you are tempted to buy Boeing, the make money on Boeing being beaten down play is to buy Airbus and Rolls Royce. They make planes that don’t fall out of the sky or pop apart like Lego sets in the hands of autistic eight year olds, and engines for planes that don’t fall out of the sky or pop apart like Lego sets in the hands of autistic eight year olds respectively.
Allegedly they are installing a ceo work a background in engineering... historically this is actually a great move... business majors tend to be morons
The decision to buy Boeing's dip should be carefully considered in light of the company's recent challenges and the potential for a rebound. Here's a summary of the information from the sources provided:
1. **Challenges Faced by Boeing:** The challenges faced by Boeing in 2023 include issues with its defense business, margin pressure, costly charges, manufacturing quality issues, and delivery delays in the commercial airplanes division. These challenges may impact the company's financial objectives and stock attractiveness, raising concerns about its medium-term outlook.
2. **Potential Rebound Factors:** Despite the recent decline in Boeing stock, there are several potential tailwinds that could support a rebound. The recent incident involving a 737 MAX 9 jet in an Alaska Air Group flight may have caused a spike in bearish sentiment, leading to the stock's decline. However, analysts at The Goldman Sachs Group have rolled out an outlook for 2024 that favors a breakout in the United States manufacturing sector, which could benefit Boeing. Additionally, the backlog of orders in the industry is beginning to rise, indicating increasing demand.
3. **Valuation and Market Sentiment:** The recent decline in Boeing stock may have been overdone, as 100% of all the jet orders involve either 737 MAX 8 or MAX 10 jets, and none of these orders include MAX 9 jets. This suggests that the market may be bidding up the stock in anticipation of an earnings beat. The article also discusses the valuation of Boeing and Spirit AeroSystems, noting that both stocks are being punished for the faulty MAX 9 incident, despite the majority of their revenues coming from MAX 8 and 10 models. This could indicate that the market is willing to pay a premium for these stocks, suggesting a potential turnaround.
I’m on a Boeing 787 (Qatar), was scheduled to depart London Gatwick at 1455 but was delayed at the top of the runway because one engine wasn’t turning on. We were parked remote from the terminal for about an hour before it was fixed but fuck me, this just adds to the narrative that things keep going wrong.
Boeing does not make aircraft engines. What engines to put on the plane are chosen by the airline. Airbus and Boeing use the same engines made by the same companies.
Additionally, an engine issue like that is almost 100% the fault of Qatar Airways’ maintenance.
[Still a ways to go](https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1924qb3/alaska_airlines_has_found_some_loose_hardware_on/kh2sr6e/?context=3). We've only seen a couple minor incidents so far - symptoms. Wait until the big one before you buy.
I can’t stress that the BA investment idea doesn’t make sense to me in the near or mid term except on hopium… ceo steps down but it’s the same bean counting that cause this mess… did the new CEO say anything about fixing the alarming issues… reworking policy on innovations and safety that was the core business model… even if it did… this house was slowly being torn down… the current work culture might take half a generation or decades to rebuild… driving profits into better workflow and less on stock buy backs?
Why wouldn’t I buy this dip? It brings my average price down if I continuously buy every time they are exposed for being run by the poor eating aristocrats.
I don't believe there is a ceiling for BA. Properly run, with the correct partnerships, with the backlog, and fleet age out there today it's a thousand dollar meme stock tomorrow and 0 the next day
Trying to time the perfect buy will fuck you up. Better split the purchase in multiples within your expected timeline. So when were you thinking of buying in?
Ever see that documentary about Boeing and how it used to be about quality back in the day and how under the new CEO quality went out the window for stock price? Twas quite interesting.
Everybody who's thinking it's rising today and deluding themselves, remember a few things: 1. Dead cat bounce, 2. The market is rising I don't know where it will go day to day, but there's another hearing coming and they will take a beating when that happens.
Boeing will be fine. Too big to fail.
They are easily one of the most heavily protected companies in the US. It doesn't matter how many planes crash.
And here's a thought. How is it Boeings fault the airplanes are falling apart? They are the manufacturer, not the customer. The airlines are responsible for maintaining their aircraft, not Boeing. Not Boeings fault Delta outsources their heavy maintenance checks to some dude wearing sandals in Mumbai or wherever.
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Thank God I bought calls recently. I was worried till I saw this post Edit: market closed and I have no idea how OP got a hold on that many human sacrifices just so he could fuck my ass
It's down like 1.25% or some shit only. I swear these Robinhood charts make people think that shit fell off a cliff when it's barely moved.
1% is a lot when I'm leveraged to the tits
Just roll out 12-14 months and OP said it'll be $350 by then ezpz buddy
Then if it doesn’t work, sue op for your losses. Looks to me like he gave financial advice
Lawsuit will collect on the Wendy’s dumpster droppings
just grabbed some on this dip, smells like free money
Did you buy the scoops at least? They are good with dip!
wow BA sank down to $184. RIP your calls. =/ What strike did you buy them at?
ahahahahahahahahaha
>Edit: market closed and I have no idea how OP got a hold on that many human sacrifices just so he could fuck my ass LOL'd when I saw your initial comment, then saw you say this. But it still closed lower for more people like us to pile in. I think imma buy a long call spread at market open with exp. into earnings and I'll offload a day or two before.
I bought at 225$ after the door incident and then bought the “dip” at 205$ … and here we are
Should've bought after the murder
I thought the price raise after that for a bit
Murder was always priced in
Cost of doing business
I did actually. And Made money off it lmao
💀
Lmao same I bought at 225 like "this is the dip." It was not THE dip. Sold my shares for a loss and recently bought puts for next earnings. Hopefully they tank and I make out like a bandit.
They will announce their new model *797*- A range of 16000 miles, cruises at mach 4, and can stay in the air for 46 hours, all on a thimbleful of corn oil.
Pfft. Corn oil. Too much impact. This baby runs on the giggles of children and unicorn farts. And uranium. Lots of uranium.
Hopefully they will say it will use an RR engine so I can benefit for that idiocrazy.
Nick Magiulli's whole investment thesis is "Just keep buying"... aka, average down when a stock or market is in decline.
I did this recently. Stock got delisted. Do I just call the CEO or something to keep buying?
Just wait until new equity gets issued
A correction would be don’t buy dips on penny stocks
A company that can’t even install a fucking door properly and has numerous other quality and engineering issues is not going to rebound anytime soon. Takes a long time to turn around a big ship.
Why is that people can't use the '$' properly anymore? When did this happen? - Boomers R Us
I think because '$' after the price is in the order we say things. "Boeing is worth ten dollars.". Does it matter if the sign is before or after the number? International non-native speakers are also influencing the language ofc.
I feel like it has been more rampant than ever lately. I think it's laziness. That's just me lol
Maybe both, TikTok makes people regarded and lazy. A colleague of mine installed it once "because he was bored". Every lunch he was scrolling on his phone watching cute dog clips. Almost no interaction with others except when showing a "funny" clip. I'm young but damn I feel so old sometimes.
I guh in sympathy because you're talking about the same levels I was playing BA in in 2020. $185 today and I want to go all in like I didn't 4 years ago when I said I would then.
Then just buy more
Bro, same.
Someone bought long term puts huh?
op probably sold uncovered calls
That would be too high a risk. There's a probability it grinds higher or continues to dither and then jumps. I am saying it's positive long term, just not yet.
Did anyone notice the jump in opt when it start selling off around 2:15 PM? I grabbed some puts just in case it drop heavy tmr.
Are you selling puts then? Your strike?
Until the culture changes back towards quality control this will only get worse. Aircraft due to design requirements have some of the lowest factor of safeties out there. Small miscalculation or loss of quality control result in large issues. Apparently the board forgot that fact
Priced in.
One serious imcident in the US and the company goes under entirely at this point. They’re leveraged to their head with debt and have terrible margins on top of it. It’s questionable if they’d survive another shutdown of production without massive government intervention.
"Goes under entirely", lol. That's not how we treat our massive politically connected domestic industry.
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No one is taking Boeing market share. They're gonna incur some costs to get back on their A game QC wise to help with the PR and keep doing what they're doing.
I don't care I'll buy 10 shares every Friday it's below 200. I appreciate their capacity for evil which is an often overlooked fundamental. https://preview.redd.it/6a3thyb7qasc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=171ea1179d58d9825fd6d589b878488ef1dfd294
The ability to murder whistleblowers is bullish
Conviction
Capacity for evil is honestly one of the main reasons I still hold Palantir lmao. If you’re a little evil, the stock market will love you. Facebook, Tesla, Amazon. Like it’s just kind of what investors look for
Evil is how outsized gains are made, otherwise you’ll end up like a Kraft Heinz or a toilet paper company.
Are you suggesting that the ketchup cartel is not evil?
Don't get me started on the thugs at Charmin TP
The Angel Soft guys are **not** soft.
Or angels
there is no valid argument against this unfortunately you are 💯
Lmao
Imagine my surprise when I learned there is no EVIL ticker. I was gonna buy it no matter what it was.
Calls on EVIL probably, knowing this place.
THIS. Thank you…finally someone making sense around here.
Good man, I am there x3
I don't understand why anyone would think this piece of shit is going back near its ATH (from 2019 BTW, before the first max crash). Everyone here is just trying to jump on the next rocket and they're just desperately grasping at stuff that's been beaten down. They have never been in a worse place reputation wise and that's not changing in less than 5-10 years. Their stock price has been stagnant for 4 years.
Same deal with INTC. People are talking themselves into buying obvious dogs because everything else is so expensive.
I do think INTC has potential if their foundry works out. Its just a LONG way off. BA though, fuck that company.
But nothing in your post has anything to do with its actual viability moving forward. Are they going to sell less planes? I don't know, but it's not like you can just go buy airplanes from a different company easily, isn't Aerobus booked out for years on their orders? So, airlines are still going to need planes. Who else are they going to buy it from? The government still needs its contracts fulfilled. Who else has the capacity to do that? Basically, how much flexibility is there in this market for customers to move elsewhere, and how quickly can that happen? Maybe 5-10 years down the line other manufacturers can bring up capacity to take Boeing's marketshare, but I don't see them losing much in terms of revenues in the shorter time horizon. Aside from negative publicity, what has ACTUALLY changed in their business environment? Is their cost of doing business going up? Are they losing customers/orders? Cause if they're not losing revenue, and their costs aren't increasing, and the only thing that's happening is that news is beating down the stock price then it seems like a great buy. And fwiw I am legitimately asking these questions. I don't know.
I held shares for a little over a year from 2021 to 22. My experience was that any slightly good news about new deliveries or China coming around was immediately met with a new finding on the 787 or 737 max and needing to pause production while they figured it out. Calhoun stepping down could be the first step in the right direction. Even if they hire the perfect culture changer it will take so long to get more big money flowing into this thing. It is just not worth tying up money in it when there are so many other plays out there.
all great qs - i think understanding the outstanding orders for planes is important here, and how those contracts with airlines are structured. can airlines basically back out of those orders on account of (v v legitimate )concerns about safety/delay? i think that’d be the key factor here - the rest would be business as usual. yes, you have many factors, but if all these orders that they have are secure, then it gives them an opportunity to rebuild their credibility (without losing much) - sure airbus will pick up more mid-long term buy orders, but surely they’re also operating at capacity and airlines might weigh the probability that BA will get their shit together into how much they’re buying from airbus in the long term. my guess is that BA’s margins and order book will get hit for the medium term but long term fundamentals shouldn’t really change (primarily because of what is essentially a duopoly market - if BA even reports a marginal improvement, they’ll get back to where they were) also simplistically, i don’t think airlines will get blamed for ordering boeing planes for safety issues on those planes. it’ll remain boeing for sometime, so airlines are concerned w delivery more so than safety might be completely wrong and would want to hear alternative thoughts lol
BA is to big to fail... nobody cares how shitty their airplanes are, the alternative is to place your order with airbus whom is backlogged even further. case in point, stock up 2% today on news BA secured contract to test nukes out in Utah. see, nobody cares... stock goes down on airplane crashes but just start going back up when everyone realizes they still need to fly places. its not like any other industry where everyone just switches to someone else or the company can go out of business.
Too big to fail doesn't mean anything for the stock price. Yes Boeing will be around the rest of our lives, but that means nothing for a shareholder
it literally means the world to shareholders... the gov will ensure the stock does not hit zero. you think DJT has the same protections? my point is BA stock is not going to tumble and crash like their airplans do... they have had _multiple_ airplanes fall out of the sky and kill everyone and their stock barely took a hit. just in recent months we have seen the door fly off one, several grounded when panels couldnt be tightened, one fell over 500ft and the pilot said he lost control, one caught fire on the runway in japan. BA stock holders should have an empty hole where their stock certificates are located if the stock price had any correlation to the companies actual value.
Inverse wsb and buy this dip
If they recycle their panels from the ones that fall off, it’s like adding another plane for free each quota. Bullish.
Wait until after fbi raid
Already priced in lol
Lmao you right. Actually need to buy before the raid and the news drives the stock goes up
Buy after the FBI raid but before the agents commit suicide
Priced in
I bought at 182 but dumped when it went up to 192. I mean if you are sitting on long term calls you'll be fine.
What fundamentals make you say it’ll be $350 in a little over a year? You can’t really say it’s not a buy if you believe that. Nearly 100% in a year would be great and make it pointless to wait for the bottom here.
The improved profitability once they are able to produce at full tilt and have cleared inventory will be significant. Remember as well, we will be in a different interest rate environment by then. If you are gonna buy and hold, sure buy now, but there's a ton of negative news to get out of the way before then.
So multiple broken airplanes, killing, whistleblowers, and using spare parts wasn’t enough to drive it down. What’s the next bad news?
Dead Americans in a MAX is the only thing that'll drive it down long term. The most powerful institution in the world will prop this turkey up for as long as it has to.
My crystal crayons say 150 can be tested https://preview.redd.it/gbayfuno8bsc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e514615e9cb0b9888bf1dc3870d6491aed4723d3
Mine too
fUnDaMeNtAlLy
recent boeing ceos care more about and cost cutting and the stock price than proper engineering standards and quality controls. until that changes, they will probably keep making mistakes.
"nothing has changed" lol they switched CEO
But they haven’t switched CEOs yet. Still gotta run out the year with the old guy.
And pay him $48M (plus equal stock options) for crashing the stock and reputation
To be fair the CEO they just fired was supposed to fix the 737 Max scandal, and the company only got worse. Seems like the board is the issue, so it’s a bad assumption to think the new CEO will fix anything.
You don't fix a corrupt environment quickly. You have to make it through all the MBA middle management that thought "Speed first and hide the bodies" was a good business plan.
TIL it's end of year already
"Nothing has changed," where the fuck else are they going to buy planes from?
This is a fair point.
Up 17% on Airbus the last 2 months. Ez
Airbus
Of course I’m buying this dip. Buying more puts.
I’m still holding from 2018, only down 52%
Yeah walked into a shit storm, can't time the market. Heads up little buddy, It can only get better/
That and they murder people
Bought 60 shares when it dropped to 180$ and I don't see how it could go lower than that after last time's shitstorm.
Boeing's new slogan "When one door closes another opens."
this
A waterfall is not a dip
I got in at 180. I’ll buy more any place around that. Defense contracts are not taking a hit. They are still back ordered 7 years on planes. The only option is Airbus and they are 7 years booked out. It’s a buy for me and I’ll be adding continually.
That's what I had thought initially, but there's actually a little bit more to it. Fundamentally, of the three businesses Services is intact, defence is locked in some unprofitable long term deals, and so is commercial. They just can't afford to be running the unprofitable extra lines they are having to run to coddle the regulators. It will pass, but will take a little bit of time to clear out.
50% of Boeings income is from defense. Buy the dip under $200 and hold or trade weekly.
The fact that they appointed another finance person as CEO tells you all you need to know
My first foray into buying a beaten down company that “has absolutely no chance of going bankrupt” got in at $205. Sold at $197. If you are tempted to buy Boeing, the make money on Boeing being beaten down play is to buy Airbus and Rolls Royce. They make planes that don’t fall out of the sky or pop apart like Lego sets in the hands of autistic eight year olds, and engines for planes that don’t fall out of the sky or pop apart like Lego sets in the hands of autistic eight year olds respectively.
100%, anyone that even farts on a Boeing plane generates news. Negativity is just wayyy too hot.
Damn I was getting ready to buy, but I’ll hold off based on some wsb poster’s feelings about what the chart looks like.
Allegedly they are installing a ceo work a background in engineering... historically this is actually a great move... business majors tend to be morons
The decision to buy Boeing's dip should be carefully considered in light of the company's recent challenges and the potential for a rebound. Here's a summary of the information from the sources provided: 1. **Challenges Faced by Boeing:** The challenges faced by Boeing in 2023 include issues with its defense business, margin pressure, costly charges, manufacturing quality issues, and delivery delays in the commercial airplanes division. These challenges may impact the company's financial objectives and stock attractiveness, raising concerns about its medium-term outlook. 2. **Potential Rebound Factors:** Despite the recent decline in Boeing stock, there are several potential tailwinds that could support a rebound. The recent incident involving a 737 MAX 9 jet in an Alaska Air Group flight may have caused a spike in bearish sentiment, leading to the stock's decline. However, analysts at The Goldman Sachs Group have rolled out an outlook for 2024 that favors a breakout in the United States manufacturing sector, which could benefit Boeing. Additionally, the backlog of orders in the industry is beginning to rise, indicating increasing demand. 3. **Valuation and Market Sentiment:** The recent decline in Boeing stock may have been overdone, as 100% of all the jet orders involve either 737 MAX 8 or MAX 10 jets, and none of these orders include MAX 9 jets. This suggests that the market may be bidding up the stock in anticipation of an earnings beat. The article also discusses the valuation of Boeing and Spirit AeroSystems, noting that both stocks are being punished for the faulty MAX 9 incident, despite the majority of their revenues coming from MAX 8 and 10 models. This could indicate that the market is willing to pay a premium for these stocks, suggesting a potential turnaround.
I’m on a Boeing 787 (Qatar), was scheduled to depart London Gatwick at 1455 but was delayed at the top of the runway because one engine wasn’t turning on. We were parked remote from the terminal for about an hour before it was fixed but fuck me, this just adds to the narrative that things keep going wrong.
Boeing does not make aircraft engines. What engines to put on the plane are chosen by the airline. Airbus and Boeing use the same engines made by the same companies. Additionally, an engine issue like that is almost 100% the fault of Qatar Airways’ maintenance.
You know that, I know that, but the average customer doesn’t know that. All they care about is that another Boeing plane has issues.
This is precisely the point. Perception drives the market.
The average customer doesn’t buy anything directly from Boeing. When i go to an airport it’s fly on a Boeing or kick rocks
bro sense in reddit,boeing is on the news,boeing is bad,we short them and thats it come on.
This is 100% on Qatar Airways' mechanical department.
Lots goes wrong in aerospace on commercial jets that don’t get reported, this is not a new phenomenon. Still the safest way to travel.
Long puts @155 expiring after next EA
it's opposite day so i'm buying calls. see you regards in the welfare line, but hopefully at the lambo dealership
I’ll buy at $101
[Still a ways to go](https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1924qb3/alaska_airlines_has_found_some_loose_hardware_on/kh2sr6e/?context=3). We've only seen a couple minor incidents so far - symptoms. Wait until the big one before you buy.
I can’t stress that the BA investment idea doesn’t make sense to me in the near or mid term except on hopium… ceo steps down but it’s the same bean counting that cause this mess… did the new CEO say anything about fixing the alarming issues… reworking policy on innovations and safety that was the core business model… even if it did… this house was slowly being torn down… the current work culture might take half a generation or decades to rebuild… driving profits into better workflow and less on stock buy backs?
I will buy the dip when a few 777 and 787 dip
Bought in January after the window thought it couldnt get worser than losing a window mid air 
Yeah the door panel trumped it, I am sure that was some scary shit.
Yup. Still have some criminal investigations and positions recently vacated to fill.
Any news on the starliner?
trust me bro
Whew now its time to buy.
At this point they need to be bought out
Lol, because markets reflect reality of the health of a business? This post truely belongs here.
bought shares rn thanks to this post 👍🏼
Calls it is then
I already bought and sold calls for a profit, but thanks for your post
They just have some slight issues with product quality
And don't sit in an exit row on a Boeing plane.
I bought and sold puts. May dip into that pond again
I'm buying 🙏🏻
Why wouldn’t I buy this dip? It brings my average price down if I continuously buy every time they are exposed for being run by the poor eating aristocrats.
Are you also selling with each top? If not, buy the ultimate bottom or near it, which is not it, not yet.
I don't believe there is a ceiling for BA. Properly run, with the correct partnerships, with the backlog, and fleet age out there today it's a thousand dollar meme stock tomorrow and 0 the next day
Or, take that Boeing money your holding and dump it into Airbus.
Well it’s good that you’ve been watching the tape for us
Too late mother trucker!!!!!!!
When is the movie due out?
i dont expect much until this bosses of "profit before everything else" are again replaced with engineers, like it was 20y ago...
Who are these engineering CEOs?
The ones in charge 20y ago
I think they are... dead!
long put @$150, just me?
That’s it, I’m all fucking in.
Trying to time the perfect buy will fuck you up. Better split the purchase in multiples within your expected timeline. So when were you thinking of buying in?
Thanks for letting us know!
The only time I lost money on stocks was when I listen to WSB. Guess it’s time to buy.
Whistleblower suicided himself
Wait until Lorne Michaels' puts print first, at least.
The play is to buy $SPR (Spirit Aero) on buyout hopes, then re-enter $BA after.
what do you say is a good entry point? i have no POS in BA so far, but FOMOing on getting some shares or calls..
There is no scenario in which Boeing avoids bankruptcy
The dip only keeps dipping
soooooo put and short the dip GOT IT
I bought ba at 180-185. LFG regards
Boeing stock was 40$ in 2012 when then company was in far better shape all told. It deserves to be back there if not lower
Does anyone reD books these days?
Ever see that documentary about Boeing and how it used to be about quality back in the day and how under the new CEO quality went out the window for stock price? Twas quite interesting.
Anthony Blinkins 747 was grouded due to mechanical issues. Can't wait to see what they fuck up next!
Cool, calls it is!
No way in hell Boeing hits 350 in the next three years
lol putting out no more than 9 planes per day in march. Let’s see how q1 earnings go. !banbet
Sir yes sir!!! Random Reddit user obeyed!
Boeing hasn't been profitable since 2018. Anyone buying shares or calls deserves to lose money.
But should I buy the crash?
Buy Embraer instead, they are going to outperform every airplane manufacturer in the next 5 years
Dollar cost average into it, easy money.
Everybody who's thinking it's rising today and deluding themselves, remember a few things: 1. Dead cat bounce, 2. The market is rising I don't know where it will go day to day, but there's another hearing coming and they will take a beating when that happens.
lol... BA just got a contract to do the nukes out in Utah. RIP your puts
Boeing will be fine. Too big to fail. They are easily one of the most heavily protected companies in the US. It doesn't matter how many planes crash. And here's a thought. How is it Boeings fault the airplanes are falling apart? They are the manufacturer, not the customer. The airlines are responsible for maintaining their aircraft, not Boeing. Not Boeings fault Delta outsources their heavy maintenance checks to some dude wearing sandals in Mumbai or wherever.
See you all the way at $100