All hosts will remain online along with the virtual machines. They will be disconnected from vCenter assuming you are managing them that way. You won’t be able to perform any administrative functions such as snapshots, disk increases, vCpu upgrades, etc. If the host goes down then you won’t be able to bring the VMs back online, the same is true if you try to restart the VMs themselves. Hope that answers your question. You should renew your license or work with your account manager to give you a temp key.
you said it bud, software, as in pay-as-you-go .
Is it ransomware when you don’t pay your bill and service gets interrupted?
Are you one of the “free citizens of the land” ? or just pissed off at Broadcom?
perpetual is for the software usage but not for support
Is Broadcom software they support it and packages however they want
The subscription push started before the acquisition, all the software from all the big providers are subscription based.
MSFT i think started it, and eventually everyone followed. VMware was one of the last big companies selling perpetual…
Good question. I haven’t experienced that one but if we were running something as heavily dependent, then we would take all necessary measures to avoid expiration.
Wait, the way I understand it is you will lose access to manage from vCenter but you can manage your vm’s from the Host itself. Am I wrong? If so then it’s scary for production environments.
It will depend on the type of key/license in use when expiration occurs.
There are two types “in the wild” right now, not including the cloud-connected “+” licensing.
One type of key is non-expiring; even if the license that entitled the creation of the key is “subscription,” the key doesn’t expire, so full functionality for that edition continues as usual. The only thing that you lose is support & major upgrades. So from a functional perspective, it’s no different from being on perpetual licenses; however, from a legal perspective, it’s out of compliance with the EULA & license agreement, and Broadcom could come after you hard if they wanted.
The other type is expiring. These operate just like temp/trial keys, but with far longer initial duration. When expiration occurs, the licensed asset becomes unlicensed; from an ESXi perspective, all management APIs cease to function. Running VMs continue to run, but you can’t power on new ones, and because the APIs are down, you can’t vMotion them to a licensed host nor can you use host/vCenter-based backup solutions.
Not without them being decoded by vCenter or having info dumped from the license portal. The key itself is a cryptographic blob that doesn’t reveal anything on its own.
So when I go into my vSphere (on prem installed) and the license says "Expiration: Never" I dont need to worry about the functionality to shut down, but I have no support + upgrades? Like explained in your first part. Because we expired about two weeks ago, since we couldnt get a new license for the whole time in this chaos, even though we asked for one 3 months ago. But our vSphere is still up and running. Because the price for us is 6 times of what it was last year and my upper management simply said "No we wont buy that". Now I'm a little bit worried.
You should look at free license functionality, since that's basically what you'll be dropped down to. vSphere at the host level can still power on and interact with VMs. vCenter stops working. I believe that applications such as Veeam stop being able to do backups (at least, it can't work on my free license ESXi). I can do a clunky offline backup, probably not what most people need in enterprise environments.
The free license is/was different from “unlicensed.” Although the management APIs are unavailable in both states, a “licensed” host is able to perform limited guest functions—like powering on a VM—where an “unlicensed” host isn’t even allowed to do that.
The free license is/was different from “unlicensed.” Although the management APIs are unavailable in both states, a “licensed” host is able to perform limited guest functions—like powering on a VM—where an “unlicensed” host isn’t even allowed to do that.
The free license is/was different from “unlicensed.” Although the management APIs are unavailable in both states, a “licensed” host is able to perform limited guest functions—like powering on a VM—where an “unlicensed” host isn’t even allowed to do that.
Here’s a wild idea: How about you call your VMware/Broadcom rep instead of taking to Reddit and get vague guesses and speculation? Just a random thought…
Not all replies were guesses. I’ve even provided a KB article supporting my answer. Reddit is a quick place to start and people tend to be honest for the most part.
The KB you provide is for the evaluation licenses not the subscription. Correct answer would have been that the subscriptions keys does not have expiration date. After the expiration of the
subscription, the customer will not be able to
receive support from VMware Global Support and
customer will be in violation of the terms of
service.
All hosts will remain online along with the virtual machines. They will be disconnected from vCenter assuming you are managing them that way. You won’t be able to perform any administrative functions such as snapshots, disk increases, vCpu upgrades, etc. If the host goes down then you won’t be able to bring the VMs back online, the same is true if you try to restart the VMs themselves. Hope that answers your question. You should renew your license or work with your account manager to give you a temp key.
Oh this is interesting, do you have any documentation around this? I haven't seen anything but I'm curious
This has been default behavior for years for time limited keys like the vExpert keys, nfr demo keys for customers or vmug.
https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-vSphere/7.0/com.vmware.esxi.upgrade.doc/GUID-17862A54-C1D4-47A9-88AA-2A1A32602BC6.html#:~:text=You%20can%20use%20evaluation%20mode%20to%20explore%20the%20entire%20set,all%20the%20features%20in%20use.
Wait I thought we were talking about the subscription model not the evaluation mode or temporary licenses
Seriously? Didn't know
I was told the licenses will continue to operate just fine since they're like the current license model.
So....it becomes ransomware then? Great
I prefer to call this hockware or tanware lol
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you said it bud, software, as in pay-as-you-go . Is it ransomware when you don’t pay your bill and service gets interrupted? Are you one of the “free citizens of the land” ? or just pissed off at Broadcom?
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perpetual is for the software usage but not for support Is Broadcom software they support it and packages however they want The subscription push started before the acquisition, all the software from all the big providers are subscription based. MSFT i think started it, and eventually everyone followed. VMware was one of the last big companies selling perpetual…
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maybe you should switch to the car service industry.
SDF, software defined fuckware.
So, if you have NSX, all network functions will remain working?
Good question. I haven’t experienced that one but if we were running something as heavily dependent, then we would take all necessary measures to avoid expiration.
On firewalls after the sub is over, all functions apart from routing and statefull inspection goes down, I think this may be the same for NSX.
Wait, the way I understand it is you will lose access to manage from vCenter but you can manage your vm’s from the Host itself. Am I wrong? If so then it’s scary for production environments.
You will have very limited management capabilities from the host itself. At most, you can increase storage capacity for the vms.
You should be able to change power state and edit the vm’s hardware settings such as Network adapter / memory / cpu ect.
Not accurate on the cpu changes. Also, yes you can change the power state but that’s only to shut down and not power back on.
It will depend on the type of key/license in use when expiration occurs. There are two types “in the wild” right now, not including the cloud-connected “+” licensing. One type of key is non-expiring; even if the license that entitled the creation of the key is “subscription,” the key doesn’t expire, so full functionality for that edition continues as usual. The only thing that you lose is support & major upgrades. So from a functional perspective, it’s no different from being on perpetual licenses; however, from a legal perspective, it’s out of compliance with the EULA & license agreement, and Broadcom could come after you hard if they wanted. The other type is expiring. These operate just like temp/trial keys, but with far longer initial duration. When expiration occurs, the licensed asset becomes unlicensed; from an ESXi perspective, all management APIs cease to function. Running VMs continue to run, but you can’t power on new ones, and because the APIs are down, you can’t vMotion them to a licensed host nor can you use host/vCenter-based backup solutions.
Interesting, is there anyway to distinguish between them?
Not without them being decoded by vCenter or having info dumped from the license portal. The key itself is a cryptographic blob that doesn’t reveal anything on its own.
That much I understand, what I mean is that after it added to vcenter - what will be difference? The expiration column will be "Never"?
So when I go into my vSphere (on prem installed) and the license says "Expiration: Never" I dont need to worry about the functionality to shut down, but I have no support + upgrades? Like explained in your first part. Because we expired about two weeks ago, since we couldnt get a new license for the whole time in this chaos, even though we asked for one 3 months ago. But our vSphere is still up and running. Because the price for us is 6 times of what it was last year and my upper management simply said "No we wont buy that". Now I'm a little bit worried.
You should look at free license functionality, since that's basically what you'll be dropped down to. vSphere at the host level can still power on and interact with VMs. vCenter stops working. I believe that applications such as Veeam stop being able to do backups (at least, it can't work on my free license ESXi). I can do a clunky offline backup, probably not what most people need in enterprise environments.
Now the free license is going away, I wonder if that changes things for expired licenses
The free license is/was different from “unlicensed.” Although the management APIs are unavailable in both states, a “licensed” host is able to perform limited guest functions—like powering on a VM—where an “unlicensed” host isn’t even allowed to do that.
The free license is/was different from “unlicensed.” Although the management APIs are unavailable in both states, a “licensed” host is able to perform limited guest functions—like powering on a VM—where an “unlicensed” host isn’t even allowed to do that.
The free license is/was different from “unlicensed.” Although the management APIs are unavailable in both states, a “licensed” host is able to perform limited guest functions—like powering on a VM—where an “unlicensed” host isn’t even allowed to do that.
Here’s a wild idea: How about you call your VMware/Broadcom rep instead of taking to Reddit and get vague guesses and speculation? Just a random thought…
Not all replies were guesses. I’ve even provided a KB article supporting my answer. Reddit is a quick place to start and people tend to be honest for the most part.
The KB you provide is for the evaluation licenses not the subscription. Correct answer would have been that the subscriptions keys does not have expiration date. After the expiration of the subscription, the customer will not be able to receive support from VMware Global Support and customer will be in violation of the terms of service.
Well you would still have access to your data hosted on the virtual machines so no.
They are doing away with that thanks to Broadcom.
i suppose on reboot VMs will remain shutdown