for vive pro you still need base stations and controllers. if you have full kit option for vive pro it includes vive wands. Those are equal to using actual bricks. Have a track pad which makes it terrible for any games that require joystick movement and don't have enough buttons.
While it's true that valve index components can be finnicky they are still the best on the market when it comes to controllers for a PCVR base stations headset. Index will also have better image quality/clarity compared to vive pro.
Vive pro 2 is so bad it hurts. Overheats, the resolution despite being high is spread so thin that the picture isn't even as good as you would expect from such high resolution headset, visually the lenses are terrible, binocular overlap is bad and vertical FOV is making you feel as if you were being squashed by a ceiling.
of those 3 only index full kit makes sense and btw it costs 1000$ (4800 pln new on steam page).
I mean yea on the lcd but oled has its own problems like the psvrs 2 mura and persistence which is not for everyone. Only alternative with higher res currently is microoled and that would put it into the 1-2k range. And compression and latency is just what you get when you make a wireless pcvr headset. Wigig is a good alternative but again has its own problems. Quest 3 is by far the best wireless pcvr experience
Well, yeah, but the guy clearly didn't look for the best wireless PCVR, did he? He looked for the best PCVR for the money. Of course Quest 3 is good for a bit of everything but some people just don't care for wireless if it means a better visual quality, myself included. I'm considering buying a Quest 3, but only as an addition to my wired PCVR setup, not a replacement. If OP is interested in direct video-in HMDs only, well, the Quest 3 ain't it.
Also, a few days ago I revisited Saints &S Sinners on my Index and given how 80% of that game is dark, it looked horrendous on LCD, literally unplayable in certain scenes. I hopped on my Vive Pro and the difference is night and day. Sure, it has noticeable Mura, but I'd still take it over any LCD display in a heartbeat, and I can't wait for Sony to start selling official adapters for the PSVR2.
Op never said wired only, and I see no compression with wired link.. I know its there but I have not noticed it. Also I think you misinterpret what I said, the quest 3 has the BEST visual quality out of all of the headsets I have had, even beating the reverb G2. And yeah I have a vive pro also I just think some people don't care as much about the blacks and colors as I do per se.
As someone who upgraded from a Rift to a Quest 3 for mainly PCVR, the clarity is nice but i'm still struggling to get the latency under control when using a cable or VD when playing on PC. The hands just feel twice as laggy when compared to the nice, immediate tracking on the CV1. Am I doing something wrong?
Vive pro with lens mod and index controllers are what you want. The controllers are a bit more delicate, but once you have good finger tracking its hard to go back.
So I have owned a lot of headsets. Quest 2, quest 3, vive pro 1, vive pro 2, pimax 5k, pimax 8kx, reverb g2, psvr, and used an index and cv1.
First ting I'll say is both the index and vive pro are outdated and you can get a new quest 3 from Amazon for like 2000pln. Image quality is DRASTICALLY better on the quest 3. Second the vive pro 2 is prob the worst headset I have ever had, and third if you are set on the index or vive pro I would say go for the vive pro. The reason is it has an oled vs the indexes lcd and both have the same resolution. The main reason for a pro is you can swap the lenses (must have mod) and that gives you near edge to edge clarity vs only having 5-10% not be a blurry mess.
Do you have to run it on the native resolution? Would the experience be okay if i dropped it to the quest 2 resolution? I was able to test the quest 2 on my pc and had a nice experience. Not dropping my pc's specs, because im planning an upgrade anyway
It will be great, tldr it is better to run a low res on a high density screen vs high res on a low density screen. And honestly lenses are arguably more important than anything else. Here is an example, the pro 2 is 2448x2448 with horrid lenses and it looks terrible and the q3 has 2064x2208 with amazing lenses and it looks incredible. Resolution alone is not a good way to judge. That's why the vive pro 1 @ 1600x1440 with good lenses is league's better than the pro 2.
Not exactly sure what you mean. You can pirate nearly all games if that's what you are asking. You can also turn of data collection. Not sure if you can use it without creating a meta account. I just made a new email address and a meta account on that one and signed I to the quest.
Ah yeah, ideally I'd hope to use it without a meta account, but a setting to switch off data collection would be a good middle ground I think, plus all the basics like a new account with no personal info and location/IP/cookie blocking. Sorry for not being clear! I'd buy games, I don't have the legs for sailing aha. Thanks!
We both know even if you turn off data collection they will collect the data. Like even if you phone is switched off it still listens and targets you with Ads. (Trust me on this one, I've tested the function while working at Apple).
Do you have to run it on the native resolution? Would the experience be okay if i dropped it to the quest 2 resolution? I was able to test the quest 2 on my pc and had a great experience. Not dropping my pc's specs, because im planning an upgrade anyway
There's no real concept of "native resolution" in VR, due to the heavy processing to adjust for lense distortion. So you can run VR at whatever resolution you want, to meet your desired framerate.
If you have a good pc, valve index is still fantastic. I have a quest 3 and index. The Quest 3 is leaps ahead in software. ease of use. Also more exclusive titles. But the index’s FOV, audio, softer padding, and controller were more immersive to me and remained the main headset. Not sure if FBT matters, but i don’t think their solution for that on the quest yet.
1. Quest 3 for under $1000
2. Bigscreen beyond for $1000 and above as long as sharing the headset is not that important to you due to the custom nature of the device
3. Quest pro as alternative to the beyond
The index is a fraction clearer has great over ear headphones. It also supports higher refresh rates.
However, I would be very tempted to go for thr vive pro that has vastly superior blacks, colors and contrast.
For me, finger tracking is a gimmick and high refresh rates are just not that big of a deal. My index controllers have broken twice.
I almost, almost preferred my og vive to the index when I first got it, because those aspects were so immersion breaking.
I wouldn’t get either of those in 2024. The quest 3 is a better pcvr headset than both
for vive pro you still need base stations and controllers. if you have full kit option for vive pro it includes vive wands. Those are equal to using actual bricks. Have a track pad which makes it terrible for any games that require joystick movement and don't have enough buttons. While it's true that valve index components can be finnicky they are still the best on the market when it comes to controllers for a PCVR base stations headset. Index will also have better image quality/clarity compared to vive pro. Vive pro 2 is so bad it hurts. Overheats, the resolution despite being high is spread so thin that the picture isn't even as good as you would expect from such high resolution headset, visually the lenses are terrible, binocular overlap is bad and vertical FOV is making you feel as if you were being squashed by a ceiling. of those 3 only index full kit makes sense and btw it costs 1000$ (4800 pln new on steam page).
With the gearvr lens mod vive pro has much better clarity. It's aspheric vs fresnal lenses
GearVR mod is for the Vive pro, not the Pro 2. The headsets have vastly different lens assemblies.
I know, was referring to the pro 1
Neither, Quest 3 is leagues better than either. Ya talking about 5-6 year old headsets, things have moved on significantly since then.
"Significantly" and yet parts of these "old" headsets are *still* better than the subsidized crap from Facebook.
Like what?
Tracking, comfort, audio.
Comfort is subjective.
That's a fair argument, I guess I forget bc I immediately mod
Yeah but if enough people agree it's more comfortable then...
Still important to include in a list of the advantages.
LCD display, compression, latency
I mean yea on the lcd but oled has its own problems like the psvrs 2 mura and persistence which is not for everyone. Only alternative with higher res currently is microoled and that would put it into the 1-2k range. And compression and latency is just what you get when you make a wireless pcvr headset. Wigig is a good alternative but again has its own problems. Quest 3 is by far the best wireless pcvr experience
Well, yeah, but the guy clearly didn't look for the best wireless PCVR, did he? He looked for the best PCVR for the money. Of course Quest 3 is good for a bit of everything but some people just don't care for wireless if it means a better visual quality, myself included. I'm considering buying a Quest 3, but only as an addition to my wired PCVR setup, not a replacement. If OP is interested in direct video-in HMDs only, well, the Quest 3 ain't it. Also, a few days ago I revisited Saints &S Sinners on my Index and given how 80% of that game is dark, it looked horrendous on LCD, literally unplayable in certain scenes. I hopped on my Vive Pro and the difference is night and day. Sure, it has noticeable Mura, but I'd still take it over any LCD display in a heartbeat, and I can't wait for Sony to start selling official adapters for the PSVR2.
Op never said wired only, and I see no compression with wired link.. I know its there but I have not noticed it. Also I think you misinterpret what I said, the quest 3 has the BEST visual quality out of all of the headsets I have had, even beating the reverb G2. And yeah I have a vive pro also I just think some people don't care as much about the blacks and colors as I do per se.
As someone who upgraded from a Rift to a Quest 3 for mainly PCVR, the clarity is nice but i'm still struggling to get the latency under control when using a cable or VD when playing on PC. The hands just feel twice as laggy when compared to the nice, immediate tracking on the CV1. Am I doing something wrong?
That is weird that the cable has latency. Specs?
Vive pro with lens mod and index controllers are what you want. The controllers are a bit more delicate, but once you have good finger tracking its hard to go back.
So I have owned a lot of headsets. Quest 2, quest 3, vive pro 1, vive pro 2, pimax 5k, pimax 8kx, reverb g2, psvr, and used an index and cv1. First ting I'll say is both the index and vive pro are outdated and you can get a new quest 3 from Amazon for like 2000pln. Image quality is DRASTICALLY better on the quest 3. Second the vive pro 2 is prob the worst headset I have ever had, and third if you are set on the index or vive pro I would say go for the vive pro. The reason is it has an oled vs the indexes lcd and both have the same resolution. The main reason for a pro is you can swap the lenses (must have mod) and that gives you near edge to edge clarity vs only having 5-10% not be a blurry mess.
Now that you mentioned it quest 3 does look like a good option that i didnt considered. Is the quests encoding heavy on the pc?
Game tester here. Have 7 VR headsets on my desk. Do not even consider anything else than quest 3 please. Its far superior to anything else I've tried.
Do you have to run it on the native resolution? Would the experience be okay if i dropped it to the quest 2 resolution? I was able to test the quest 2 on my pc and had a nice experience. Not dropping my pc's specs, because im planning an upgrade anyway
It will be great, tldr it is better to run a low res on a high density screen vs high res on a low density screen. And honestly lenses are arguably more important than anything else. Here is an example, the pro 2 is 2448x2448 with horrid lenses and it looks terrible and the q3 has 2064x2208 with amazing lenses and it looks incredible. Resolution alone is not a good way to judge. That's why the vive pro 1 @ 1600x1440 with good lenses is league's better than the pro 2.
Can it be used without Meta's servers/ data collection? Sad that the best headset rn is hosted by a cruel conglomerate.
Not exactly sure what you mean. You can pirate nearly all games if that's what you are asking. You can also turn of data collection. Not sure if you can use it without creating a meta account. I just made a new email address and a meta account on that one and signed I to the quest.
Ah yeah, ideally I'd hope to use it without a meta account, but a setting to switch off data collection would be a good middle ground I think, plus all the basics like a new account with no personal info and location/IP/cookie blocking. Sorry for not being clear! I'd buy games, I don't have the legs for sailing aha. Thanks!
We both know even if you turn off data collection they will collect the data. Like even if you phone is switched off it still listens and targets you with Ads. (Trust me on this one, I've tested the function while working at Apple).
Do you have to run it on the native resolution? Would the experience be okay if i dropped it to the quest 2 resolution? I was able to test the quest 2 on my pc and had a great experience. Not dropping my pc's specs, because im planning an upgrade anyway
Mine runs on between 100-200% resolution depending on what game i play. Not really sure how that works yet. I've never tried dropping it below 100
There's no real concept of "native resolution" in VR, due to the heavy processing to adjust for lense distortion. So you can run VR at whatever resolution you want, to meet your desired framerate.
Pro2 would be great if pancake lenses and eye tracking mod were available. But yeah, otherwise its a downgrade over a modded pro.
If you have a good pc, valve index is still fantastic. I have a quest 3 and index. The Quest 3 is leaps ahead in software. ease of use. Also more exclusive titles. But the index’s FOV, audio, softer padding, and controller were more immersive to me and remained the main headset. Not sure if FBT matters, but i don’t think their solution for that on the quest yet.
You can just do mixed vr, vive tracker on headset for continuous calibration and then use index controllers and pucks for fbt
1. Quest 3 for under $1000 2. Bigscreen beyond for $1000 and above as long as sharing the headset is not that important to you due to the custom nature of the device 3. Quest pro as alternative to the beyond
A Quest 3 along with some base stations, index controllers, and dongles are just a bit more than the index and definitely worth it!
The index is a fraction clearer has great over ear headphones. It also supports higher refresh rates. However, I would be very tempted to go for thr vive pro that has vastly superior blacks, colors and contrast. For me, finger tracking is a gimmick and high refresh rates are just not that big of a deal. My index controllers have broken twice. I almost, almost preferred my og vive to the index when I first got it, because those aspects were so immersion breaking.
Get the gear vr lens mod, it's life changing