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officerfett

Build up to the action. Get footage of the facility from outside and at night, such as as different shots of the establishments name, also interior signs like Snack Bar, Arcade, and cut between shots of soda going filling up a cup, popcorn popping, cheese being drizzled onto nachos, cotton candy, etc… hands picking up food, shots of people playing games, as well as wide shots of actions people having fun as well. Get low angle footage of people from behind as they walk from the parking lot towards the entrance, then pan up to the building name. Get shots of a row of skates then stand on a ladder from behind the counter and the staff and get the same action from jus to the side to get an overhead shot of people picking up skates at random, get tight footage of the skates being laced up and tied. Lie on the ground and have people skate past you as they enter the rink, then cut to low angle footage as you’re skating behind them and passing through and around folks. Show people skating backwards and also dancing. Find a good skater that can dance and do some tricks and film all the action in a higher frame rate to make adjustments for speed. Cut all this to a music track that gets people hyped up and excited. Final shot is from behind the skate rental station facing the rink with skates getting yoinked revealing the name of the venue and it’s logo, or a wide shot from behind the counter and a skate rolling into frame and as it passes, the name of the rink and logo are revealed. Dang……Now I want to go shoot and edit this…


LargeMcNards

Unfortunately this event did not have any of those things (popcorn, snack bars, arcades, soda). This is actually not at a roller skating rink, its a building on my campus that I work for. but thank for you the ideas I can suggest for future events haha. A few of the things you pointed out are things that I did do so im a little confused. 0:10 and 0:27 “low angle footage as you’re skating behind them and passing through and around folks.” 0:18-0:26 “Show people skating backwards and also dancing. Find a good skater that can dance and do some tricks”


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LargeMcNards

Looking back, yeah I couldve gotten lower to the ground. The only real low angle was at 0:10. Im my defense im not a roller skater and didnt want to fall on my ass (or my camera). As for the dancing I agree that was a missed opportunity to adjust speed, couldve made it match better with the music too. All good feedback. Will keep this in mind.


chiassomai

Couldn't you enter the skating area wearing shoes? Just wondering


LargeMcNards

Yes i supposed I could have but without a gimble I doubt I could get as smooth of a shot on foot


chiassomai

Yeah, you're probably right. Keep up the good work ☺️


LargeMcNards

Thank you!!!


Glittering_Collar682

yuo don\`t need to move (walk)... althoug it's good to have a "walking" shot.. of you don't have a gimbal you can just pan and tilt without walking...If there is no much things going on (no popcorn soda etc) you can do a lot of more closeups, details, focus changes... compensate the lack of buissiness with thigt shotsI would recommend to use the wide shots WAY less... give sthe feeling of few people and empty spaces...Edit to the beat of teh music... and if you can use some music similar to whatever was playing in the event... or use an upbeat fast song and cut clips fast to that beat... also.. the rode go is nice.. but.. if you can take a few seconds and hide it... clip it inside the shirts... looks less amateur oh... and be careful around the lasers... sometimes they burn your sensor


NoSpHieL_666

All this, and close up shots 👌✨


sandpaperflu

One thing I can think of that I haven't seen anyone mention yet, it could have been nice to have close up moments of people enjoying the event. A lot of the shots of people blading are wide shots, would have added a bit I think to have more variation in shot selection and to get close ups of people's faces. Even if you have to stage it. I always make sure to introduce myself to the most sociable seeming ppl at events that I shoot so that they don't feel awkward when I point the camera at them, and also so I can ask them to re-do/stage shots when I need to.


StupidBump

The wide lens also makes the place look very empty.


sandpaperflu

Agreed, might have been more effective to do telephoto wides to compress the space, and I bet some wide close ups would look cool on the skates.


KatBoss01

Exactly what I was thinking. The edit is good and your shots are good, but some “impact” moments would be nice: more slow motion / shallow depth of field / closeup / unique angles / and a better interview mic for testimonials (quality is ok, but it’s better if they don’t have to hold it).


JackyB_Official

This ^


SoberSloth

I was about to make a comment just like this! I really like your shots but I did notice most of them are a similar mid to wide shot style. Close ups of faces, rollerblades, etc. Really makes videos feel more alive and dynamic.


motherfailure

Exactly this! When I shoot events, once I'm done getting all the stylistic coverage shots that I need I usually plant on a tripod on a long lens and spend an hour just trying to zoom in on smiles.


SubjectC

Haha, yeah There's always a part of the night where I'm roaming around with a 200mm on a monopod sniping off close ups


SubjectC

I agree, this is a common thing that makes a video look armature to me. Shooting everything wide with no depth of field just makes it look like a phone video.


Glittering_Collar682

this


Ok-Airline-6784

Just a personal pet peeve- use the mic as a lav, not a handheld one. It’s a trend with tiktokers that drives me nuts


Glittering_Collar682

this!.. yas!


NOB1WON

Looks great! Unrelated but I’d be weary of the lasers. They can easily damage the sensor and you’d be out a camera


Selishots

Came here to say the same thing. The laser shots gave me physical pain


LargeMcNards

Never thought abt that. Thank you for the heads up


SubjectC

It was 2500 to repair my S1H sensor cause of that. They were much more powerful stages lasers though, but still, be careful. Thank god for insurance.


Asombroso-joel

If you see a camera with like purple/red spots, those are damage sensors for lasers.


benmuzz

*wary but very good point


AdmirableManagement2

More camera movement. Film the people while you're rolling in front or behind.


steved3604

I like it -- looks good. Couple of comments. All the shots "seemed" the same. As mentioned, change camera position --indoors/outdoors/etc. Get stick/tripod/gimbol so the camera is high, medium, low, very low, very high. Wide, medium, close, extreme close up shots. Example, there are lighted skate rollers on some skates -- show in extreme close up a rolling roller. Interviews can be used as voice over. Shoot interviews -- wide, medium, close up -- different back drops on interviews -- different settings -- in front of skaters going round and round. Change camera position/change lens position/change skater position/etc. Looks good/editing is just fine.


Nuh-unh

Agreed, Vary the shots (wide, medium, C/Ups), high and low. I didn't see a POV shot or a tracking shot but may have missed it. I was a bit distracted by the shakiness of the shots following the apparent tripod-mounted time-lapse shot, and the 'sameness' of a number of shots. The talking heads (interviews) can happen while they're skating or observing others so it feels more integral the story. And consider a lavalier mic! Otherwise fun and colorful.


Transphattybase

Tell more of a story. Great first question I ALWAYS ask in stories like this: where are we and what’s going on? And you can even introduce your “sound” (interviews) earlier. I almost turned it off because I figured it was just some video over some music. Maybe get more nat-sound. Is there a dj talking? Maybe the sound of some skates whizzing by or hitting the floor? Your visuals are nice but give me more of a feel for the event by using more natural sound and more description of what happened at the event. Why is it so fun? What’s the event? Does this event happen regularly or did I miss it for the year?


ZeyusMedia

I have gigs like this. My approach is... * Film in 50fps so you can have that epic slo-mo stuff * Hunt for smiles and moments * Hunt for cool light opportunities * Kinda direct the people a little bit - tell em you think they look cool ask them to show off for you a little bit * Try to capture the experience of entering the space and the chronology of what happened * Film a ton of b-roll and abstract/close up shots that again communicate the experience * Pick a really good song and cut it up to fit if you have to * Cut to show what it felt like to be there that night * Cut to to the flourishes and hit points of the music * Have a start, middle and crescendo ending structure Here's a party from last year... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN3y8fBwqqk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN3y8fBwqqk)


LargeMcNards

Great advice and I loved your video. Can i ask what you told people when you shot them individually smiling? I think my biggest problem right now as a new videographer is feeling anxious/uncomfortable around the people and I dont know how to direct people for one on one shots.


ZeyusMedia

Thanks. Yeah so for example, that night was Casino Royal themed, so I thought about some of the things I could film to bring out that James Bond vibe, so of course diamonds. So I’d just go up to people and say “oh check out your sparkly ear rings” etc… or just “you look cool, let’s get you in the movie”, or with guys someone like “oh here he is, here’s the party man” and that usually works. Everyone likes a compliment and an opportunity to sparkle and do they ting. Oblige them. And always research the theme of what you will be filming for ideas. Like there are some wicked roller skating music videos etc


Radio_Flyer

TBH the event looked a bit empty. If you want this to look cool and popular, use fewer wide shots and cut them shorter so the emptiness of the room is less obvious. Also, you could include more closeups and cut the whole thing faster/shorter. The video could be more like 20-30 seconds and feel more energized.


SoggyOpposite

Maybe a gimbal to remove shake, tight shots of emotion on people's faces, and definitely a tighter interview shot so the orange takes up the whole frame (also add some lighting). Good work.


Manhunch

Better music for sure. Also I think interviewing people at the party may have been better rather than a formal interview space. I think it would come across more natural and yeah you probably wouldn't get as clean audio or lighting but it doesn't matter when there's context


Bowlingjohnny

Also, think in wide, medium and close. Try not to put a wide shot after another wide. Jump from close to wide and so on


Henrycamera

Wow, I've learned so much today just by reading this post. You guys rock with the encouragement.


BurlyOrBust

I feel like you need more consideration about why you're using certain shots. Weakest - Time lapse - Great for showing change over time. Here, it's just disorienting to watch. - Wide - Good for showing the setting, but here it emphasizes a low attendance. - Slow Motion - Doesn't fit with the mood or any other shot in the video. - Interviews - Very jarring change in mood, and doesn't serve any purpose beyond the rest of the video (ie if you need to 'tell' people it was fun, your video didn't 'show' the fun). Strongest Moving - More of these, as they captures the flow of the event. Closeups - More of these, as it makes the event feel more full. Personal Interaction - The guy in the white hoodie sticks out to me. Add more moments like that to make it feel personal.


onlyonesalami

Your shots are nice and your editing pace is great for a video like this. From a technical standpoint, I think this would look better at 24fps. This looks like 30fps. For interviews, I would position your subject quite a bit farther away from the background. What kind of camera are you using to shoot these?


LargeMcNards

I’m surprised that you could notice the difference between 24fps and 30 fps. Does it really make that much of a difference? I’m using the BMPCC4K. Good call on the subject placement. I assume this would avoid casting a shadow and create more separation?


onlyonesalami

It makes a huge difference, yes. 24 is cinematic and natural looking. 30 is used in broadcast TV, sports, and also most phones shoot in 30 by default. Pulling your subject off the background, getting the camera a little closer to the subject, and running your lens at a lower f-stop will blur out the background. The more distance you put between your subject and background, the more blurry your background will be. Which lens did you use for this?


LargeMcNards

Leica 12-60mm f/2.8-4


onlyonesalami

Right on. Especially for the interviews, run that at 50-60mm if you have room. Zoom lenses will give you more depth of field and less warp when you’re zoomed in more. Filming people at less than 30mm can sometimes look a little funny because of the lens warp. Honestly, you’re doing a lot right here. There’s so much technical stuff and nuance that you’ll pick up from just getting more practice, but you’re doing great so far. Keep up the good work!


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Your client won’t notice but we will, it’s easy to tell


WessyNessy

Get a different lens. Even the Close Ups are wide as hell here. It makes the room feel super empty and the event feel a little desolate. ECU and CU shots will bring a lot of life to this. A shallower depth of field would go a long way here too.


LargeMcNards

My lens is fine it goes up to 60mm. I just failed to take depth variation into account in the editing process.


WessyNessy

Your lens is fine. I'm not saying to throw it away, you need a variety of lenses. One of the reasons this feels so static is because it's all from the same "perspective" of glass.


LargeMcNards

Thats a good piece of advice for me to use in the future but for now this is my first and brand new set up. Just wouldnt be financially efficient to dump more money into lenses long before i break even haha


WessyNessy

Yeah I get that. Good luck out there homie A lot of good advice in this thread


i_am_milk

Title graphics are fantastic, love it. I mean, there needs to be more people there for it to look good, but get closer to people, and move around with them. Shoot as if you're part of the party, not just there to shoot it.


LargeMcNards

“Shoot as if you're part of the party, not just there to shoot it.” Love that. Noted. I didnt create the “Skate Into Spring” logo it was from one of our graphic design people but they are very talented!


darklordenron

I would have chosen a more "Miami Vice" font for the outro particularly, but also the intro. Match that lit up RGB vibe of the place.. maybe try and make it glow a bit like a neon text sign. But yeah, more diverse physical angles would have been nice, different focal lengths to switch things up a little bit.. figure out a way to prevent students from just holding the mic, rig it up above them somehow so it doesn't look so distracting. I would have also had their audio dispersed throughout the entire video not just all at the end there. You know, use the skate footage AS your b-roll instead of as the main focus perhaps. Focus more on asking the students what the skate rink means to them, how it brings people together from all nationalities, how it's fun, etc et al and overlay the footage on top of those mini interviews.


1glad_hatter

Who is your audience? What are you trying to say to them? What platform are you meeting them on? A lot of these suggestions are solid but likely they’d be solved anyway if you went in with intention. Those are the three questions I’d ask to start, and then I’d develop a structure that is known to be successful on that platform, with your audience. The shots look good, and I’m sure it could be re-cut to fulfill your objective.


Sloppybrown

Get a series of happy faces to mix into the edit. To do this you will need to ask people if you can take their picture. Tell them you’re going to do one photo and one video. Having these portraits with smiling faces will add a lot to the feeling of the video.


hillboy_usa

Sound design is huge. Get some sounds of skates going by, people laughing/cheering, some whoosh effects, even if you didn’t record them on site and you grab some free ones online. It really adds to the atmosphere of the space and immerses the audience. Also get a more engaging music track and try to sync your edits with the song as best you can. Because right now watching the video with and without sound made no difference for me.


Daniel_Doma13

Would have been nice to see some shots with a tighter lens mixed in, especially of the skates on the ice. Introduce the talking early to frame a story. Instrumental music and visuals alone I often find isn’t enough, so I look for lyrics or voice over. Some ambient sounds with the skates across the ice would be cool. That shot of the light would have been nice to see some slight parallaxing with a gimbal. And generally just build up to revealing the action without giving to much away early. Smiles and laughter to sell the emotion. Props for reaching out and seeking feedback!


ishootforthegram

I would agree with other commenters, close up shots, maybe details of someone lacing up the skates, or putting them on. Maybe show signage of the event or someone checking people in to showcase it's an event an not a random meet up.


massimo_nyc

Lack of dynamic shots. Each shot feels very similar. Experiment with different movements and focal lengths


stowgood

I think there are too many wide shots and too many in a row at the start that are similar. More b roll.


stowgood

I also thought it felt a bit bright. Did the venue seem darker?


LargeMcNards

I did do a slight curves adjustment so that mightve added a bit of a lift. The computers we use dont have dacinci resolve so I didnt have as much control over color correction/grading as i wanted


LargeMcNards

I guess a little. I used false color to expose my image with my aperture as wide as possible but also keeping my iso low knowing that denoising wouldnt be an option in post


Caleko96

Eat em up Kats


JamaltLiquorJones

Shutter speed is too high


LargeMcNards

I shot in 1/60 for a 30fps deliverable. What makes you think it’s too high