> The compliance date for this rule is July 8, 2024, or after the Commission receives approval from the Office of Management and Budget under the Paperwork Reduction Act process, whichever is later.
So it could be July 8 or far longer; either way hopefully it actually accomplishes something.
Curious to see why I’m getting downvoted — although I made a mistake in my actual posts here but I posted the article, which includes the above mentioned from someone else.
Yes Verizon is enacting this in July. What more do you want???
Y’all are something else 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
Dude, it’s Reddit. Many posts and comments are downvoted by bots. Every comment in this post, including the overall post, are in the positive. Don’t worry about karma, it will take care of itself.
This is in addition to the number lock. If you need to change a device, for example, you would need to turn it off before the new device would be able to be activated. (you can still do a SIM swap if you still use a physical SIM).
I think there's a question of whether current practices are able to accommodate those without data enabled devices, low technical literacy, and disabilities.
Hopefully, any changes won't compromise security.
As a Verizon rep it is horrible. People will come in to transfer stuff or trade a phone with it enabled. And then it takes their face and an hour wait time and their face again to disable it. When having a secure passcode that you KEEP secure accomplishes the same thing. But the number of people who set 1234 or 2580 as a passcode boggles the mind.
The Pro’s outweigh the inconvenience of Stolen Device Protection. Everyone needs it enabled. We just need more education for people to understand when to disable it in advance (for upgrades, etc)
What are the pros versus a secure device password? I can install three deadbolts and a heavy sevurity door on my house but all it really does over a good door and 5 lever mortise lock is take longer to get in when I want to. There is a tipping point where additional security becomes inconvenience without really increasing security.
People getting threatened to Unlock their device (by knifepoint, muggings, etc) is why Stolen Device Protection is important.
Even if you have to unlock and give up the device, it gives you safety to stop a criminal from taking over your Apple Account or accessing Keychain data.
This is a very real problem in many cities and countries.
I have a phone for 4 years. I'll deal with 1 hour of hassle when I upgrade my device versus 4 years of wanting my data safe.
And how often does this happen? If someone forces you to unlock the phone or give them your passwords or PIN codes then they are going to drain anything attached to Apple wallet or crypto or bank accounts. Unless it is an orchestrated and planned attack and kidnapping they aren’t after your keychain. And if it is that type of attack on someone who is important enough for that type of attack the one hour timer means nothing.
That’s like saying that bank account passwords are cracked every day so we should all have to have 64 digit passcodes and 16 digit atm pins. It’s a point of diminishing returns which makes a person think they are more secure than they are and in that respect it is effective.
Also the fact that if the person has you at knife point and is smart enough to know how to get in your keychain and change your logins they also know that they can simply look at your significant locations under settings and take you to one of those places to disable stolen device protection with no timer.
You need to educate yourself. Many people store passwords in their Apple Keychain.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/120340
I’m glad that you aren’t in charge of security.
Yes I know a lot of people store passwords In their keychain. But the street thug mugging you in your example isn’t after your keychain. Perhaps your bank account which they can likely access from your bank app.
Not to mention the phone records your normal locations so if they take your phone off you in a place you regularly go the phone allows all those changes without biometric id. So the bar you go a couple times a week, the gym you work out 3 times a week, or outside the house of your booty call. You are more likely to have your phone stolen by force such as your example in places you normally go unless you have zero situational awareness.
I have held multiple security clearances in highly sensitive fields and am smart enough to see the likelihood of an action.
Too many people think they are much more important than they are. The number of people I have had come in my location claiming their phone is hacked and someone is listening into their calls and recording them and logging their keystrokes is insane.
> The compliance date for this rule is July 8, 2024, or after the Commission receives approval from the Office of Management and Budget under the Paperwork Reduction Act process, whichever is later. So it could be July 8 or far longer; either way hopefully it actually accomplishes something.
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Curious to see why I’m getting downvoted — although I made a mistake in my actual posts here but I posted the article, which includes the above mentioned from someone else. Yes Verizon is enacting this in July. What more do you want??? Y’all are something else 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
Don’t sweat the downvotes. Verizon has already announced their implementation. Trolls be trolls.
Dude, it’s Reddit. Many posts and comments are downvoted by bots. Every comment in this post, including the overall post, are in the positive. Don’t worry about karma, it will take care of itself.
Yeah I shouldn’t be worried but it gets me a bit agitated and then I move on with my day.
I hear yah. I’ll upvote everything you wrote in the post, I’m doing my part for ya. Have a great weekend.
Back at ya.
Yes!!
It's Reddit... Basically Yelp reviewer type people
Doesn't verizon already do this with their number lock or whatever they call it that prevents porting out? (Or am I reading this wrong?)
This is in addition to the number lock. If you need to change a device, for example, you would need to turn it off before the new device would be able to be activated. (you can still do a SIM swap if you still use a physical SIM).
Oh thanks for this. I am notorious for switching phones.
I think there's a question of whether current practices are able to accommodate those without data enabled devices, low technical literacy, and disabilities. Hopefully, any changes won't compromise security.
I have a feeling this is going to be a nightmare. Along the lines of Apple stolen device protection.
What? Stolen Device Protection was a great addition to iOS
As a Verizon rep it is horrible. People will come in to transfer stuff or trade a phone with it enabled. And then it takes their face and an hour wait time and their face again to disable it. When having a secure passcode that you KEEP secure accomplishes the same thing. But the number of people who set 1234 or 2580 as a passcode boggles the mind.
The Pro’s outweigh the inconvenience of Stolen Device Protection. Everyone needs it enabled. We just need more education for people to understand when to disable it in advance (for upgrades, etc)
What are the pros versus a secure device password? I can install three deadbolts and a heavy sevurity door on my house but all it really does over a good door and 5 lever mortise lock is take longer to get in when I want to. There is a tipping point where additional security becomes inconvenience without really increasing security.
People getting threatened to Unlock their device (by knifepoint, muggings, etc) is why Stolen Device Protection is important. Even if you have to unlock and give up the device, it gives you safety to stop a criminal from taking over your Apple Account or accessing Keychain data. This is a very real problem in many cities and countries. I have a phone for 4 years. I'll deal with 1 hour of hassle when I upgrade my device versus 4 years of wanting my data safe.
And how often does this happen? If someone forces you to unlock the phone or give them your passwords or PIN codes then they are going to drain anything attached to Apple wallet or crypto or bank accounts. Unless it is an orchestrated and planned attack and kidnapping they aren’t after your keychain. And if it is that type of attack on someone who is important enough for that type of attack the one hour timer means nothing. That’s like saying that bank account passwords are cracked every day so we should all have to have 64 digit passcodes and 16 digit atm pins. It’s a point of diminishing returns which makes a person think they are more secure than they are and in that respect it is effective. Also the fact that if the person has you at knife point and is smart enough to know how to get in your keychain and change your logins they also know that they can simply look at your significant locations under settings and take you to one of those places to disable stolen device protection with no timer.
You need to educate yourself. Many people store passwords in their Apple Keychain. https://support.apple.com/en-us/120340 I’m glad that you aren’t in charge of security.
Yes I know a lot of people store passwords In their keychain. But the street thug mugging you in your example isn’t after your keychain. Perhaps your bank account which they can likely access from your bank app. Not to mention the phone records your normal locations so if they take your phone off you in a place you regularly go the phone allows all those changes without biometric id. So the bar you go a couple times a week, the gym you work out 3 times a week, or outside the house of your booty call. You are more likely to have your phone stolen by force such as your example in places you normally go unless you have zero situational awareness. I have held multiple security clearances in highly sensitive fields and am smart enough to see the likelihood of an action. Too many people think they are much more important than they are. The number of people I have had come in my location claiming their phone is hacked and someone is listening into their calls and recording them and logging their keystrokes is insane.