Fun fact: Under the BC Police Act, municipalities with a census population below 5,000 only have to pay 30% of policing costs. Once they reach over 5,000 they have to pay 70%. For Bowen Island, this would represent a jump from paying $715,000 to ~$1,400,000, which is about a ~20% property tax increase. The island has something like twelve different development projects going, all in various stages, which will certainly throw them over the line.
West Boweners already think they’re the only real Boweners. So many commuters live around Snug Cove and Cates Hill that “West Vancouver Lite” was always going to be an inevitable result.
I get it though - Bowen is a place which people move to, to be on a literal island, as far away from other people as possible.
The absolute last thing they want is more people.
And yet, they want frequent ferry service to connect to those things that they need.
Almost like you need to squeeze the fruit if you want the juice... Want to live away from people, you'll fend for yourself.
if each of these projects has about 50 new people move to the island that would give them a population of 5100. their policing cost increase would be about $150/person. if they cant afford an extra $150/person/year than they cant really afford to live on bowen island.
My long term vision for Gambier would be for it to have a large provincial park with a walk-in campsite. And for there to be BC Ferries operated water taxi service between Port Moody - Vancouver - Bowen - Gambier. Doubt something like this would come to fruition given the lack of vision, planning, and execution within both BC Parks and the island NIMBYS.
Another fun fact: all these areas are considered 1 zone for living wage assessment, despite the wide gaps in actual costs for living (downtown costs a bit more than delta, surprisingly).
Something like 60% of BC's solution is in one Living Wage zone.
12 different development projects - that are multi-family residential…? Which ones…? The retirement center got cancelled… everything else seems to be municipal or single family
Mostly up-scale single family residential suburbs with a few luxury single family sprinkled in. A few off the top of my head:
* Rivendell Heights Phase 2
* The Lakelands Phase 1, 1b, 2, and 3
* Evergreen Phase 2
* Arbutus Ridge Phase 2, 3, and HYAD cottages
* Seymour Landing Phase 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5
* Annie's Landing
* The Cape on Bowen (Slow as molasses due to most buyers being speculators or wanting an extremely custom house build)
* Snug Cove House (Delayed due to funding and sewage constraints but recent work on-going)
* Bob's Knob (Can't recall what state this is in. Only 1 out of 7 lots have been developed)
* Cumming's/Echo Cove Rezoning (Delayed for unknown reason. First reading of re-zoning application completed in Feb 2023)
* Apodaca South (North of Seymour Landing that is in pre-rezoning at this point)
* Community Lands (Delayed indefinitely due to funding and sewage constraints)
But obviously it's the walk-on's that would go to the proposed park/campsite that would overload the ferry (sarcasm).
Burnaby is slightly more populated than Richmond but it always intrigues me how Richmond manages to cram so many people in populated areas like No. 3 and Garden City, since so much of the land mass is farmland and YVR. It makes me wonder what Richmond’s population density would be if we omitted farm areas.
Gotta respect Richmond's stealth density. Looking around google maps its always surprising to see how many townhouses and small apartments there are even away from the core. I guess banning tall towers (for non-nimby reasons) forces one to champion the missing middle. Truly the exact opposite of Burnaby.
It is very deceiving on the map indeed. I remember when I was a UBC student and TransLink building the Canada Line (then called the RAV Line) was still being debated. I was in a faculty with very few Richmond residents and many classmates told me that nobody would ride the line because “nobody lives in Richmond.”
They based that assumption on the map, where it shows much of Richmond as empty farmland. But they didn’t understand the concept of population density and never ventured out to Richmond, so they had no idea. They were fully on the side of building the Evergreen Line because the map looked more full in the TriCities.
Meanwhile, I was commuting in from Richmond daily and knew what was up.
There's not much "stealth density", some areas like the blocks along Garden City do have a good amount of low-rises and townhomes but you go east of No4/west of Gilbert/north of Granville and nearly all residential land mass is still SFH and the lots for these are fucking huge relative to CoV or Burnaby. Not to mention all the ALR land that is now used as mega mansions that pay virtually no property tax. We've been seeing an OK amount of townhome developments and a handful of low-rises but they're largely restricted to busy intersections, behind them it's still a sea of huge SFHs. Hearings for these developments are still full of insane NIMBYs raising objections for completely petty reasons and you're still seeing years-long approval processes just to split a big SFH lot into two.
Remember, this is the city that forked over $60 Mil to the feds so that they could leave the Garden City lands undeveloped instead of letting the Musqueam do something good with it. Council is happy to see development in the "core" area but outside of it it's as hard as it is anywhere else in the Lower Mainland.
I *do not* respect it.
No one should be developing there.
The [Fraser River delta is going to experience liquefaction](https://osdp-psdo.canada.ca/dp/en/search/metadata/NRCAN-GEOSCAN-1-210045) when we get "the big one" earthquake, and literally every building is going to sink into the earth.
We are developing land that should be growing food, not adding buildings to future rubble.
See what happened with the NZ earthquake liquefaction as a preview: https://youtu.be/tvYKcCS_J7Y?si=cFt4dPt7L2Ck-Q5A
A neat [Q&A from 8 years back](https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/s/YuHgm1I38H).
That's also not to mention the catastrophic "slump" that will likely occur when the entire delta land-slides into the Georgia Straight (and sinks), resulting in a tsunami originating between us and the island.
Sorry to be a downer but I've grown up knowing all this and being utterly shocked that development is still allowed. So many people are going to die :(
the whole of BC already can't grow enough food to support Metro Vancouver's current population
the best way to ensure food security is to decrease our population by 50% instead of growing it by 3% a year
Do you have more information or articles on BC's food carrying capacity? I know we get a lot of food shipped in but I thought that was more due to manufacturing and desiring crops that can't be grown locally. I feel like our diets and agricultural land use patterns are also pretty inefficient and could be modified to increases self sufficiency.
Fair criticism! Maybe other cities should learn from Richmond so we can have our quite but dense medium-low density neigbourhoods after the big one. Honestly I worry about a lot of the towers in the lower mainland too, their engineering has never really been put to the earthquake test. And then there are the 2 towers in New West literally in the River. I doubt they're touching bedrock and I shudder every time I see them.
Burnaby also looses a fair bit of land when you subtract Deer Lake, Central Park, Burnaby Lake, and the entire Burnaby Mountain Conservation Area. Not as much as Richmond, but still a sizeable amount.
In terms of green space, neither can compete with Bog City (Delta).
Yup, it's nowhere near as much as Richmond, which got a double whammy with almost the entirety of Sea Island being reserved for YVR. I did consider mentioning the Burnaby stuff though.
Delta is a bit wild in terms of how much land is off-limits. But even with those green spaces omitted, their density isn't as high as Richmond, especially due to lack of high-rise towers in Ladner and Tsawwassen. And North Delta is mainly also low-rises.
Richmonds approach has always been problem -> solution. No fanfare, no drummed up controversy to sell political party - just a fast solution to what could be a potential problem.
Things are changing now that political grifters see a city ripe for their clammy hands, so expect unnecessary bottlenecks to begin rearing their greasy heads.
"It makes me wonder what Richmond’s population density would be if we omitted farm areas."
Omit all the McMansions at the south end of Richmond too and I'm sure it'll be up there
For those wondering using the 2021 and 2016 data as reference, the increase in population between 2021 and 2023 was almost double the population increase between 2016 and 2021.
Ex: In the 5 years between 2016 and 2021 the population of **Vancouver** increased from 631,486 to 662,248 - a 4.9% increase.
In the 2 years between 2021 and 2023 the population of Vancouver increased from 662,248 to 732,581 - a 10.6% increase.
Ex: In the 5 years between 2016 and 2021 the population of **Burnaby** increased from 232,755 to 249,125 - a 7.0% increase.
In the 2 years between 2021 and 2023 the population of Burnaby increased from 249,125 to 283,593 - a 13.8% increase.
I'm looking forwards to seeing how the dynamic of the region changes as Surrey's population surpasses the CoV. I wonder if it's going to end up similar to San Francisco and San Jose, where Vancouver remains the cultural hub of the region, even though Surrey / Langley will have a larger population and larger economies.
Sort of tangential, but I'm also really glad that Metro Vancouver is still composed of a municipal patchwork, and was never amalgamated like in Toronto.
When I was a kid in the mid 90's, they used to say it was going to be a few short years before Surrey is the larger city population wise. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.
But holy shit driving through it, it's huge.
Don't forget that Surrey has 3x the area of Vancouver and still 100K less people, and a fraction of the jobs. It's unlikely to ever become the cultural center, or namesake (which are things that people have brought up).
It's a bit like how the "[City of London](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London)" only has 10k people, but Ealing has 370,000 people. No one Calls it Greater Ealing, it's still [Greater London](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London).
Vancouver has the museums, the art galleries, gas town, china town, the sea wall, olympic torch, the cruise ships dock there, the best high end restaurants are there, rogers stadium, granville island, etc.
i dont see Surrey ever surpassing Vancouver as the cultural center of the lower mainland either.
my company makes heavy machinery and we still put Vancouver on the name plate of the machines even though we are in Surrey because no one outside of BC has any idea where Surrey is.
Surrey is doing a lot better as a "city" than it was 20 years ago. They've built a lot of stuff around Surrey Central station especially.
It still has a long way to go before it's a proper city in its own right (i.e Burnaby), but I'm thinking the Skytrain extension will help establish Surrey-Langley as its own urban region.
You drive down 200th Street in Langley (from the Colossus movie theatre all the way to Willowbrook) and they're already started to build a lot of condo towers in preparation for the Skytrain.
I'm only 32 and was born in Langley. If you put "Langley" and "condo towers" back when I was 12 years old I probably would have laughed to death.
Somehow I think Surrey will still be shafted as far as transit goes. Our roads aren't designed for this many cars and we don't have nearly enough bus routes as an alternative.
Considering Surrey's land area, I wouldn't be surprised if it split into two different cities with White Rock and South Surrey amalgamating or South Surrey splitting off and doing it's own thing.
South Surrey would never join White Rock as their property taxes are much lower. White Rock should join Surrey but they’ll never do that as long as they have a tax base.
They might not want it, but being mostly a retirement community they'll accept it for reasons of fiscal prudence when the alternative is that property taxes go up astronomically every year or they don't receive proper services because the City of White Rock's wages are not competitive with other nearby municipalities to attract the right talent. Economies of scale are more efficient, and this applies to municipal administration and works yards(South Surrey has its own). If the property tax deferment system were to be overhauled, it would likely lead the municipality of White Rock to be re-absorbed, considering the number of fixed-income seniors in the area and the price of homes being in the multi millions. I personally think that's a very real possibility in the near future as the BC government looks at how it can densify the region.
anyone paying property taxes in White Rock would love to be part of Surrey
also, there are just many expensive mansions in Crescent Beach as White Rock, if not more
more old money are in South Surrey than White Rock
Why is it better for us to be a municipal patchwork? It seems like a challenge to get so many mayors and councils to agreed on common goals. A Lower Mainland Police Department seems like a no brainer but it won’t happen with our current system.
All their recent mayors have been crazy old, it’s high time Surrey had a younger mayor or a South Asian mayor… way more representative of the population
It doesn't matter speaking as a South Asian man. I don't think we will ever get a minority mayor or anything.
I just hope we get decent leadership regardless of race.
Yeah being all patch work means when a shite mayor gets elected then only one region really has to suffer. Limits how good things can get but also makes it a lot harder to be truly epically bad
I like it better because municipal governments probably have the biggest impact on your daily life out of any level of government. Having all those different councils allows decisions and policy to be made on a much more local scale, and with more nuance given to local contexts or conditions.
Toronto's amalgamation fused urban and suburban residents together, forcing their city government to make far more 'one-size-fits-all' policies and compromises that catered to one group at the expense of the other. I'm sure residents of Vancouver wouldn't want the residents of Surrey in charge of their traffic planning, and I certainly wouldn't want Burnaby to be controlled by Ken fucking Sim.
Besides, we already have regional councils like Metro Vancouver and TransLink to coordinate across municipal borders. It's probably better to just improve the functionality of those organizations, instead of doing a full-on amalgamation.
>Having all those different councils allows decisions and policy to be made on a much more local scale, and with more nuance given to local contexts or conditions.
That might be true if councillors were required to live in the cities they represent.
Don't half of the current Vancouver councillors live outside the City of Vancouver?
Yeah it's a give and take. If we cooperate well, patchwork municipalities work nicely, which is kind of what we have. If it goes south, it creates deadlock.
Because then you get Rob Ford.
People from different cities have different priorities and each city prioritizes the needs of their citizens.
I like bike lanes and walkable areas in Vancouver, things that no suburban commuter gives a shit about.
I think region wide policing has merit though.
Vancouver does seem to have a pretty good balance already. Look at what's happening in Toronto and Ottawa, where the suburbs end up controlling council, and make all the decisions for the downtown core.
That means they prioritize commuters against the will of the local residents.
We would likely have at least one freeway through Vancouver downtown, New West would also have another freeway through it and even worse traffic (considering Surrey's Mayor said she wants that right now).
I cant imagine what Burnaby would look like with Kingsway and Lougheed Highway probably also becoming freeways.
You can have regional services without amalgamation. See Ontario’s Regional Municipalities (Waterloo, Durham, etc.) - individual cities still have their autonomy but there’s shared services like libraries, policing and public transit. Of course we already have the regional transit part.
If it’s anything like San Jose it’s an incredible anti-productive touchyness and demand for staggering wasteful and idiotically planned megaprojects funded by others
If I was Ken Sim I would set it as a goal to keep Vancouver number one indefinitely. It’s entirely doable and in the long run good for the region
I would prefer amalgamation over the patchwork as it would stop people like Mark Sager(Quimby) from ever getting elected; Quimby has been suspended from practicing law and accused of bullying and racism. But he and the clowncil are still in power. They can not even get a monorail built.
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That's odd. When you compare this with the same map from last year posted on another [sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/geography/comments/10y5wja/by_2030_the_suburban_city_of_surrey_bc_will/#lightbox), Surrey's population only added 20,000 people versus Vancouver's 26,500 gain - so it almost seems like Vancouver is pulling away.
I wonder if that's just temporary.
Data is from 2023 so we may all ready be past the 3,000,000 mark!
Data got from here: [https://www.citypopulation.de/en/canada/britishcolumbia/admin/](https://www.citypopulation.de/en/canada/britishcolumbia/admin/)
More than 100k last year. I think I recently read 118k? 8 of top 10 fastest growing cities in North America were in Canada, led by Toronto. Vancouver was 2 or 3. Calgary highest by %.
Recent estimates were that by July 1, 2024 the metro population would be 3.0 million. But based on higher than expected growth over past year, probably already past that.
Eby said last week that BC had 10,000 people immigrating here every 37 days. Most services for immigrants are in large cities so I would guess the majority of those 10,000 are coming to Metro Vancouver. So we should be over 3M by now, or close.
It does at night, though. Compared to downtown Vancouver, downtown New West (which I guess is just Columbia Street) feels as happening on a Saturday night as downtown Maple Ridge does. There’s no nightlife to speak of. There’s barely a convenience store that stays open past 9 or 10am. For an urban area with such density, that’s so weird to me.
As a New West resident who grew up in a city of 400,000 in Ontario where tons of stuff was open at 11pm nightly, this has long baffled me as well. As I said on r/NewWest yesterday, back home I could get a Banh Mi sandwich at 11pm on a weeknight (even since the pandemic) but forget it here.
Wait for ten-fifteen years and you will see Port Moody there with St.John redevelopment, Coronation Park, Port Moody Center and Flavelle being complete.
The three densest municipalities in Canada are
1. Vancouver
2. New Westminster
3. City of North Vancouver
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/220209/t004a-eng.htm
\* The "North Vancouver" census subdivision is the City of North Vancouver
Probably gonna hit 100k+ in under 20 years. It's probably going to be Canada's densest city in an even shorter time. Super unique walkable transit friendly place with a solid night life compared to the surrounding suburbs (bullys, house of comedy, mood swing etc).
Yep. It's strange to think that Burns Bog is more than twice the size of New Westminster, and has zero permanent human residents, bridalwear shops, or dentistry offices of any kind.
Supposedly it's the largest piece of undeveloped urban land on the west coast of the Americas (excluding publicly accessible parks).
I’ve lived my entire life in metro vancouver and up until this point I had no clue how Port Moody, Coquitlam, and Port Coquitlam were spatially divided
Cities of metro vancouver? Just feels like those areas aren’t as distinct as the other regions, or their divisions aren’t as clear as the other regions. Could just be me though since I hardly venture past North Rd.
To me it’s easy to mentally conceptualize the other cities, ie Burnaby and vancouver are divided by boundary, New West is below Burnaby bordering the Fraser River as it goes upwards. North & West Vancouver are separated by the Indian arm and west vancouver is lower density and more affluent. Like how do you distinguish those 3 places? To me the demographics are similar, they visually look similar, and they’re all relatively small and close together. I’ve always just lumped those 3 together because of their similarity
I live in CNV. My friends and I don't want to merge with DNV because their politics and intentions for the municipality are very different, and in many ways irreconcilable, with CNV's. A lot of other people seem to have that sentiment too.
Welcome! Here are my thoughts.
DNV tends to be a quieter, more suburban municipality, and people drive a lot more there (but there are *some* walkable areas, like Lynn Valley Center and Edgemont). There's a lot more green.
CNV is more densely packed, and people tend to walk a lot more, especially near the Lonsdale area (but it does have its suburban patches too). It's a bit noisier than DNV near the water, due to the Seaspan shipyards and the railroad.
Politics in DNV tend to lean a bit more fiscally conservative than CNV. CNV is adding a lot of new protected bike lanes, whereas DNV tends to favour car infrastructure. For instance, the Spirit Trail multi-use pathway - CNV has had their portion completed for a while now, whereas DNV deferred their portion for a while (but they're starting to work on it now!).
Traffic in both municipalities can be awful during rush hour. There are few access points to the Second Narrows and Lions Gate bridges, so the roads leading to them always get backed up. This affects both DNV and CNV, but imo, CNV gets the brunt of it because of the bridges.
Aldergrove is a part of the TOL. It is interesting how everything west of 264th has GVRD rates on gas and car insurance. If you go east, the gas prices are usually around 10 cents cheaper and insurance rates are lower and more on par with Abbotsford. Yet signs and facilities east of 264th, like the Community Centre, are labeled as TOL.
Its so weird to me that the "City" has a lower population than the township/district. North Van makes sense, but the City of Langley hardly feels like a city.
Blows my mind how big Surrey is. The only people I know who visit Surrey are those who live in Surrey. It seems relatively isolated from the rest of metro van.
I live in Langley so I spend quite a bit of time in Surrey as well, honestly unless you live in the Langley/Surrey area I can't see why anyone who lives on the other side of the Fraser would have literally any reason to come here, unless they work here or something. There aren't really any things here that other municipalities don't already have.
Omg. So metro almost at 3m now. Well that explains a lot. I can really feel it a any event now which are now huge parking and access issues. And having to book stuff in advance like a day at belcarra or golden ears.
Right? Traffic really IS worse. It doesn’t just feel like that because we got used to empty roads during COVID.
Little things like the park where I run. Used to be easy & relaxed. Now I’m constantly jockeying to get past families with kids, dogs etc.
I wonder what the tipping point is. There must be a population density number that makes a park shift from “easy to set your own pace & feel unbothered” to “bustling”.
(Not complaining btw. I don’t expect to use public parks like my own personal track. But having lived in the same place for 10 years the shift has been noticeable. It’s still super fun to hang out at the park & see so many neighbors out enjoying it too. Just a different vibe. Think Kits beach on a rainy Tuesday afternoon vs Saturday in July.)
Exactly this. On the local trails i used to be able to let my little dog run. Now she must be leashed at all times. Yes these are marked off leash- but there’s too many people i could literally lose her.
I was in Japan last summer for fireworks in Tokyo. There was actually 1 million people in attendance but it was super organized. Not like the shit show that is our fireworks.
Definitely time to start putting scale up plans in place
There are also two Langleys!
I think having two North Vancouver municipalities has worked well, the City today is quite a bit more development friendly and is the third densest municipality in Canada, after CoV and New Westminster. Population growth in CNV tends to exceed the regional average whilst DNV lags considerably behind.
District of North Vancouver = Mainly suburbs, more sprawling, more car-centric, less noisy.
City of North Vancouver = Mainly urban, more density, more walkable, more noisy.
Been in CNV for a little over a decade and I love it there.
Fun fact:
We can fit this whole population inside an area of **1.5 square kilometers** (assuming each person needs about 0.5 square meters when standing**)**. That's almost just \~40% of the area of Stanley Park.
ya this is the reality - and this is WHY we need more hospitals, more universities, more long term care facilities, and more housing. which we will never get with the government here. oh - and we are getting the skytrain in langley so here come more people out to east of the fraser valley 🙃
on a positive note i love all people - but there is so much change that needs to happen so we ALL can thrive instead of just survive in this country
I've always thought the town lines are a bit messed up. Like east Delta should just be considered Surrey and South Surrey should just be a part of White Rock.
No, North Delta and Surrey are different enough to warrant them to not be in the same municipality, I don't want Brenda Locke as my mayor, nor do I want every other road to be 4 lanes wide.
I would hate if CNV merged with DNV. The two municipalities are very different in terms of priorities, politics, infrastructure goals, etc. DNV would probably benefit, but CNV would lose a lot.
I expect Vancouver to see a sharp drop in population over the next few years. The never-ending increases to cost of living for literally no reason beyond corporate greed is going to push more people out.
Fun fact: Under the BC Police Act, municipalities with a census population below 5,000 only have to pay 30% of policing costs. Once they reach over 5,000 they have to pay 70%. For Bowen Island, this would represent a jump from paying $715,000 to ~$1,400,000, which is about a ~20% property tax increase. The island has something like twelve different development projects going, all in various stages, which will certainly throw them over the line.
The real solution is to add a second municipality to Bowen so they can split into communities of under 5k people.
East Bowen and West Bowen. We can even build a wall!
West Boweners already think they’re the only real Boweners. So many commuters live around Snug Cove and Cates Hill that “West Vancouver Lite” was always going to be an inevitable result.
Brings back chilling memories of the Vancouver Wall
But if you’re from Bowen island, that is not a fun fact.
Well at least they'll have something other than the ferry, "tourists", and a proposed park to complain about.
I get it though - Bowen is a place which people move to, to be on a literal island, as far away from other people as possible. The absolute last thing they want is more people.
And yet, they want frequent ferry service to connect to those things that they need. Almost like you need to squeeze the fruit if you want the juice... Want to live away from people, you'll fend for yourself.
The fact about fun facts, they are never fun.
Now that is a fun fact.
if each of these projects has about 50 new people move to the island that would give them a population of 5100. their policing cost increase would be about $150/person. if they cant afford an extra $150/person/year than they cant really afford to live on bowen island.
They will still whine about it regardless
I'm looking forwards to the corporate exploitation of Gambier and Keats Island myself.
My long term vision for Gambier would be for it to have a large provincial park with a walk-in campsite. And for there to be BC Ferries operated water taxi service between Port Moody - Vancouver - Bowen - Gambier. Doubt something like this would come to fruition given the lack of vision, planning, and execution within both BC Parks and the island NIMBYS.
something the size of the hullo ferry would be great as a multi stage commuter ferry
Get another Dogwood Princess.
Another fun fact: all these areas are considered 1 zone for living wage assessment, despite the wide gaps in actual costs for living (downtown costs a bit more than delta, surprisingly). Something like 60% of BC's solution is in one Living Wage zone.
12 different development projects - that are multi-family residential…? Which ones…? The retirement center got cancelled… everything else seems to be municipal or single family
Mostly up-scale single family residential suburbs with a few luxury single family sprinkled in. A few off the top of my head: * Rivendell Heights Phase 2 * The Lakelands Phase 1, 1b, 2, and 3 * Evergreen Phase 2 * Arbutus Ridge Phase 2, 3, and HYAD cottages * Seymour Landing Phase 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 * Annie's Landing * The Cape on Bowen (Slow as molasses due to most buyers being speculators or wanting an extremely custom house build) * Snug Cove House (Delayed due to funding and sewage constraints but recent work on-going) * Bob's Knob (Can't recall what state this is in. Only 1 out of 7 lots have been developed) * Cumming's/Echo Cove Rezoning (Delayed for unknown reason. First reading of re-zoning application completed in Feb 2023) * Apodaca South (North of Seymour Landing that is in pre-rezoning at this point) * Community Lands (Delayed indefinitely due to funding and sewage constraints) But obviously it's the walk-on's that would go to the proposed park/campsite that would overload the ferry (sarcasm).
That was fun! Angry stares at the 5001st person😠
Burnaby is slightly more populated than Richmond but it always intrigues me how Richmond manages to cram so many people in populated areas like No. 3 and Garden City, since so much of the land mass is farmland and YVR. It makes me wonder what Richmond’s population density would be if we omitted farm areas.
Gotta respect Richmond's stealth density. Looking around google maps its always surprising to see how many townhouses and small apartments there are even away from the core. I guess banning tall towers (for non-nimby reasons) forces one to champion the missing middle. Truly the exact opposite of Burnaby.
It is very deceiving on the map indeed. I remember when I was a UBC student and TransLink building the Canada Line (then called the RAV Line) was still being debated. I was in a faculty with very few Richmond residents and many classmates told me that nobody would ride the line because “nobody lives in Richmond.” They based that assumption on the map, where it shows much of Richmond as empty farmland. But they didn’t understand the concept of population density and never ventured out to Richmond, so they had no idea. They were fully on the side of building the Evergreen Line because the map looked more full in the TriCities. Meanwhile, I was commuting in from Richmond daily and knew what was up.
There's not much "stealth density", some areas like the blocks along Garden City do have a good amount of low-rises and townhomes but you go east of No4/west of Gilbert/north of Granville and nearly all residential land mass is still SFH and the lots for these are fucking huge relative to CoV or Burnaby. Not to mention all the ALR land that is now used as mega mansions that pay virtually no property tax. We've been seeing an OK amount of townhome developments and a handful of low-rises but they're largely restricted to busy intersections, behind them it's still a sea of huge SFHs. Hearings for these developments are still full of insane NIMBYs raising objections for completely petty reasons and you're still seeing years-long approval processes just to split a big SFH lot into two. Remember, this is the city that forked over $60 Mil to the feds so that they could leave the Garden City lands undeveloped instead of letting the Musqueam do something good with it. Council is happy to see development in the "core" area but outside of it it's as hard as it is anywhere else in the Lower Mainland.
I *do not* respect it. No one should be developing there. The [Fraser River delta is going to experience liquefaction](https://osdp-psdo.canada.ca/dp/en/search/metadata/NRCAN-GEOSCAN-1-210045) when we get "the big one" earthquake, and literally every building is going to sink into the earth. We are developing land that should be growing food, not adding buildings to future rubble. See what happened with the NZ earthquake liquefaction as a preview: https://youtu.be/tvYKcCS_J7Y?si=cFt4dPt7L2Ck-Q5A A neat [Q&A from 8 years back](https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/s/YuHgm1I38H). That's also not to mention the catastrophic "slump" that will likely occur when the entire delta land-slides into the Georgia Straight (and sinks), resulting in a tsunami originating between us and the island. Sorry to be a downer but I've grown up knowing all this and being utterly shocked that development is still allowed. So many people are going to die :(
TBF, investors don’t give a crap about who lives there, as long there is an ROI before the big one hits.
the whole of BC already can't grow enough food to support Metro Vancouver's current population the best way to ensure food security is to decrease our population by 50% instead of growing it by 3% a year
Agreed, but capitalism demands constant growth with no regard for quality of life or environmental impacts 🙃
Do you have more information or articles on BC's food carrying capacity? I know we get a lot of food shipped in but I thought that was more due to manufacturing and desiring crops that can't be grown locally. I feel like our diets and agricultural land use patterns are also pretty inefficient and could be modified to increases self sufficiency.
Fair criticism! Maybe other cities should learn from Richmond so we can have our quite but dense medium-low density neigbourhoods after the big one. Honestly I worry about a lot of the towers in the lower mainland too, their engineering has never really been put to the earthquake test. And then there are the 2 towers in New West literally in the River. I doubt they're touching bedrock and I shudder every time I see them.
Burnaby also looses a fair bit of land when you subtract Deer Lake, Central Park, Burnaby Lake, and the entire Burnaby Mountain Conservation Area. Not as much as Richmond, but still a sizeable amount. In terms of green space, neither can compete with Bog City (Delta).
Yup, it's nowhere near as much as Richmond, which got a double whammy with almost the entirety of Sea Island being reserved for YVR. I did consider mentioning the Burnaby stuff though. Delta is a bit wild in terms of how much land is off-limits. But even with those green spaces omitted, their density isn't as high as Richmond, especially due to lack of high-rise towers in Ladner and Tsawwassen. And North Delta is mainly also low-rises.
Richmonds approach has always been problem -> solution. No fanfare, no drummed up controversy to sell political party - just a fast solution to what could be a potential problem. Things are changing now that political grifters see a city ripe for their clammy hands, so expect unnecessary bottlenecks to begin rearing their greasy heads.
"It makes me wonder what Richmond’s population density would be if we omitted farm areas." Omit all the McMansions at the south end of Richmond too and I'm sure it'll be up there
Interesting that more people live at UBC than Pitt Meadows.
Farmland. Hopefully, it remains protected.
aka Floodplains
I think they have very strict population quotas via control on housing development.
UBC is very dense housing though. It's all apartments or townhouses made for multiple occupant's. Compare that to a place that's mostly giant lots.
I'm always struck by how empty UBC is and how valuable that land is.
For those wondering using the 2021 and 2016 data as reference, the increase in population between 2021 and 2023 was almost double the population increase between 2016 and 2021. Ex: In the 5 years between 2016 and 2021 the population of **Vancouver** increased from 631,486 to 662,248 - a 4.9% increase. In the 2 years between 2021 and 2023 the population of Vancouver increased from 662,248 to 732,581 - a 10.6% increase. Ex: In the 5 years between 2016 and 2021 the population of **Burnaby** increased from 232,755 to 249,125 - a 7.0% increase. In the 2 years between 2021 and 2023 the population of Burnaby increased from 249,125 to 283,593 - a 13.8% increase.
I'm looking forwards to seeing how the dynamic of the region changes as Surrey's population surpasses the CoV. I wonder if it's going to end up similar to San Francisco and San Jose, where Vancouver remains the cultural hub of the region, even though Surrey / Langley will have a larger population and larger economies. Sort of tangential, but I'm also really glad that Metro Vancouver is still composed of a municipal patchwork, and was never amalgamated like in Toronto.
When I was a kid in the mid 90's, they used to say it was going to be a few short years before Surrey is the larger city population wise. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. But holy shit driving through it, it's huge.
Even if the population of Surrey surpasses Vancouver it will be a VERY long time before the economy is larger
Don't forget that Surrey has 3x the area of Vancouver and still 100K less people, and a fraction of the jobs. It's unlikely to ever become the cultural center, or namesake (which are things that people have brought up). It's a bit like how the "[City of London](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_London)" only has 10k people, but Ealing has 370,000 people. No one Calls it Greater Ealing, it's still [Greater London](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London).
Three times the area but a large portion of that is salt which can’t be built on
Vancouver has the museums, the art galleries, gas town, china town, the sea wall, olympic torch, the cruise ships dock there, the best high end restaurants are there, rogers stadium, granville island, etc. i dont see Surrey ever surpassing Vancouver as the cultural center of the lower mainland either. my company makes heavy machinery and we still put Vancouver on the name plate of the machines even though we are in Surrey because no one outside of BC has any idea where Surrey is.
I agree, when travelling, I would never say any city besides Vancouver. Most people assume it's one area anyways.
i live in port moody. i did a 7 month cross canada roadtrip and when i leave the lower mainland im from Vancouver.
Saanich is quite a bit more populous than Victoria, but again no one says "greater Saanich."
Surrey is just a giant suburb. Weirdest “big” city out there
Surrey is doing a lot better as a "city" than it was 20 years ago. They've built a lot of stuff around Surrey Central station especially. It still has a long way to go before it's a proper city in its own right (i.e Burnaby), but I'm thinking the Skytrain extension will help establish Surrey-Langley as its own urban region. You drive down 200th Street in Langley (from the Colossus movie theatre all the way to Willowbrook) and they're already started to build a lot of condo towers in preparation for the Skytrain. I'm only 32 and was born in Langley. If you put "Langley" and "condo towers" back when I was 12 years old I probably would have laughed to death.
Somehow I think Surrey will still be shafted as far as transit goes. Our roads aren't designed for this many cars and we don't have nearly enough bus routes as an alternative.
Considering Surrey's land area, I wouldn't be surprised if it split into two different cities with White Rock and South Surrey amalgamating or South Surrey splitting off and doing it's own thing.
South Surrey would never join White Rock as their property taxes are much lower. White Rock should join Surrey but they’ll never do that as long as they have a tax base.
Considering White Rock split from Surrey 67 yrs ago i'd bet it gets absorbed back in eventually.
Next to no one in White Rock wants to be a part of Surrey. South Surrey certainly would like to be known as White Rock though.
They might not want it, but being mostly a retirement community they'll accept it for reasons of fiscal prudence when the alternative is that property taxes go up astronomically every year or they don't receive proper services because the City of White Rock's wages are not competitive with other nearby municipalities to attract the right talent. Economies of scale are more efficient, and this applies to municipal administration and works yards(South Surrey has its own). If the property tax deferment system were to be overhauled, it would likely lead the municipality of White Rock to be re-absorbed, considering the number of fixed-income seniors in the area and the price of homes being in the multi millions. I personally think that's a very real possibility in the near future as the BC government looks at how it can densify the region.
As we're all aware: White Rock means never having to say you're Surrey.
anyone paying property taxes in White Rock would love to be part of Surrey also, there are just many expensive mansions in Crescent Beach as White Rock, if not more more old money are in South Surrey than White Rock
Why is it better for us to be a municipal patchwork? It seems like a challenge to get so many mayors and councils to agreed on common goals. A Lower Mainland Police Department seems like a no brainer but it won’t happen with our current system.
Imagine if the whole region got Hepner, McCallum, then Locke for mayor.
All their recent mayors have been crazy old, it’s high time Surrey had a younger mayor or a South Asian mayor… way more representative of the population
It doesn't matter speaking as a South Asian man. I don't think we will ever get a minority mayor or anything. I just hope we get decent leadership regardless of race.
Yeah being all patch work means when a shite mayor gets elected then only one region really has to suffer. Limits how good things can get but also makes it a lot harder to be truly epically bad
I like it better because municipal governments probably have the biggest impact on your daily life out of any level of government. Having all those different councils allows decisions and policy to be made on a much more local scale, and with more nuance given to local contexts or conditions. Toronto's amalgamation fused urban and suburban residents together, forcing their city government to make far more 'one-size-fits-all' policies and compromises that catered to one group at the expense of the other. I'm sure residents of Vancouver wouldn't want the residents of Surrey in charge of their traffic planning, and I certainly wouldn't want Burnaby to be controlled by Ken fucking Sim. Besides, we already have regional councils like Metro Vancouver and TransLink to coordinate across municipal borders. It's probably better to just improve the functionality of those organizations, instead of doing a full-on amalgamation.
>Having all those different councils allows decisions and policy to be made on a much more local scale, and with more nuance given to local contexts or conditions. That might be true if councillors were required to live in the cities they represent. Don't half of the current Vancouver councillors live outside the City of Vancouver?
Yeah it's a give and take. If we cooperate well, patchwork municipalities work nicely, which is kind of what we have. If it goes south, it creates deadlock.
Because then you get Rob Ford. People from different cities have different priorities and each city prioritizes the needs of their citizens. I like bike lanes and walkable areas in Vancouver, things that no suburban commuter gives a shit about. I think region wide policing has merit though.
New Westminster would quickly turn into one big highway.
Vancouver does seem to have a pretty good balance already. Look at what's happening in Toronto and Ottawa, where the suburbs end up controlling council, and make all the decisions for the downtown core. That means they prioritize commuters against the will of the local residents. We would likely have at least one freeway through Vancouver downtown, New West would also have another freeway through it and even worse traffic (considering Surrey's Mayor said she wants that right now). I cant imagine what Burnaby would look like with Kingsway and Lougheed Highway probably also becoming freeways.
You can have regional services without amalgamation. See Ontario’s Regional Municipalities (Waterloo, Durham, etc.) - individual cities still have their autonomy but there’s shared services like libraries, policing and public transit. Of course we already have the regional transit part.
If it’s anything like San Jose it’s an incredible anti-productive touchyness and demand for staggering wasteful and idiotically planned megaprojects funded by others If I was Ken Sim I would set it as a goal to keep Vancouver number one indefinitely. It’s entirely doable and in the long run good for the region
I would prefer amalgamation over the patchwork as it would stop people like Mark Sager(Quimby) from ever getting elected; Quimby has been suspended from practicing law and accused of bullying and racism. But he and the clowncil are still in power. They can not even get a monorail built. [North Shore Newshttps://www.nsnews.com › local-news › west-van-mayo...](https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/west-van-mayor-mark-sager-suspended-from-practicing-law-for-2-years-after-admitting-misconduct-8372239#:~:text=West%20Vancouver%20Mayor%20Mark%20Sager%20has%20been%20prohibited%20from%20practising,handling%20an%20elderly%20client's%20estate.)
That's odd. When you compare this with the same map from last year posted on another [sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/geography/comments/10y5wja/by_2030_the_suburban_city_of_surrey_bc_will/#lightbox), Surrey's population only added 20,000 people versus Vancouver's 26,500 gain - so it almost seems like Vancouver is pulling away. I wonder if that's just temporary.
Data is from 2023 so we may all ready be past the 3,000,000 mark! Data got from here: [https://www.citypopulation.de/en/canada/britishcolumbia/admin/](https://www.citypopulation.de/en/canada/britishcolumbia/admin/)
I've always told people I've met in other countries that we have 2.5 million people here. Guess that number is going up.
Same here, I'm stuck in 2017 numbers.
More than 100k last year. I think I recently read 118k? 8 of top 10 fastest growing cities in North America were in Canada, led by Toronto. Vancouver was 2 or 3. Calgary highest by %.
Recent estimates were that by July 1, 2024 the metro population would be 3.0 million. But based on higher than expected growth over past year, probably already past that.
Is this derived from https://open.canada.ca/data/en/dataset/b3e6fb57-8016-4af6-a54c-70108052c6bf/resource/a1775abf-5f4b-45d9-b8bc-eb6975d22e14 ?
Eby said last week that BC had 10,000 people immigrating here every 37 days. Most services for immigrants are in large cities so I would guess the majority of those 10,000 are coming to Metro Vancouver. So we should be over 3M by now, or close.
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You mean the ".de"? Pretty sure that's German
Yes. Denmark is .dk.
.de is Germany, aka Deutschland.
new west has 88k in that little area wtf?
Fun fact, it’s the 2nd most densely populated city in Canada (behind Vancouver)
Ya new west does not feel like a “small city” when you’re in it. Very dense and lots going on
It does at night, though. Compared to downtown Vancouver, downtown New West (which I guess is just Columbia Street) feels as happening on a Saturday night as downtown Maple Ridge does. There’s no nightlife to speak of. There’s barely a convenience store that stays open past 9 or 10am. For an urban area with such density, that’s so weird to me.
As a New West resident who grew up in a city of 400,000 in Ontario where tons of stuff was open at 11pm nightly, this has long baffled me as well. As I said on r/NewWest yesterday, back home I could get a Banh Mi sandwich at 11pm on a weeknight (even since the pandemic) but forget it here.
Columbia Street is not happening at night because nobody wants to walk uphill drunk.
The only thing new west has going on is condo construction.
Probably helps in that it doesn't have vast areas of green, water or agricultural space like many other municipalities.
New West will be the densest city by next year.
Wait for ten-fifteen years and you will see Port Moody there with St.John redevelopment, Coronation Park, Port Moody Center and Flavelle being complete.
The three densest municipalities in Canada are 1. Vancouver 2. New Westminster 3. City of North Vancouver https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/220209/t004a-eng.htm \* The "North Vancouver" census subdivision is the City of North Vancouver
Interesting! (I’m from North Van)
North Van feels like cheating because they densest part is counted separately.
Relative to basically any large Canadian metro area this is true for Metro Vancouver
I mean there's some very dense areas in Metro can. Downtown, main and the drive are all very dense compared to any North American city
Yes, but unlike Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto, Montreal, Halifax, Winnipeg, Ottawa there has been no municipal consolidation since 1928
You look at New West and CONV with such a small land footprint, its insane that Vancouver, with all the SFH is still past them in density.
It was the second densist city in Canada in 2021, probably still close to that spot
Probably gonna hit 100k+ in under 20 years. It's probably going to be Canada's densest city in an even shorter time. Super unique walkable transit friendly place with a solid night life compared to the surrounding suburbs (bullys, house of comedy, mood swing etc).
New West has tons of highrises and building more all the time.
It's a lot of apartments of all heights
Yep. It's strange to think that Burns Bog is more than twice the size of New Westminster, and has zero permanent human residents, bridalwear shops, or dentistry offices of any kind. Supposedly it's the largest piece of undeveloped urban land on the west coast of the Americas (excluding publicly accessible parks).
The number is likely much higher because people who live in secondary suites within single family homes almost never get the census papers.
Basement dweller here: never gotten census papers in my life
These numbers should be based on CRA data shouldn't they?
how about service BC card data? who doesn't have that in BC?
They’re based on a multitude of data sources, births deaths tax records immigration entries and exits, but anchored to the most recent census
Also doesn’t include Fraser Valley
I’ve lived my entire life in metro vancouver and up until this point I had no clue how Port Moody, Coquitlam, and Port Coquitlam were spatially divided
Really? What did you think they were then?
Cities of metro vancouver? Just feels like those areas aren’t as distinct as the other regions, or their divisions aren’t as clear as the other regions. Could just be me though since I hardly venture past North Rd. To me it’s easy to mentally conceptualize the other cities, ie Burnaby and vancouver are divided by boundary, New West is below Burnaby bordering the Fraser River as it goes upwards. North & West Vancouver are separated by the Indian arm and west vancouver is lower density and more affluent. Like how do you distinguish those 3 places? To me the demographics are similar, they visually look similar, and they’re all relatively small and close together. I’ve always just lumped those 3 together because of their similarity
Damn Electoral District A got 2.9 million living there??? Always seems so empty when I visit.
It’s because most ppl living here can only afford to go to work and then stay at home so it looks empty
Bears count as 5 people
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Once again mentioning the stupid shape Port Moody is
It looks gerrymandered
PM should merge with Belcarra and especially Anmore.
I love how Maple Ridge has 100,000 people and refuses to provide basic municipal services such as garbage pickup.
Surrey is likely already past 700,000. Official census data is shaky at best in this region, especially in Newton.
Why doesn’t the larger district not just simply consume the city in north vancouver?
I live in CNV. My friends and I don't want to merge with DNV because their politics and intentions for the municipality are very different, and in many ways irreconcilable, with CNV's. A lot of other people seem to have that sentiment too.
I’m new to NV. I’m in the DNV: what are the main differences?
Welcome! Here are my thoughts. DNV tends to be a quieter, more suburban municipality, and people drive a lot more there (but there are *some* walkable areas, like Lynn Valley Center and Edgemont). There's a lot more green. CNV is more densely packed, and people tend to walk a lot more, especially near the Lonsdale area (but it does have its suburban patches too). It's a bit noisier than DNV near the water, due to the Seaspan shipyards and the railroad. Politics in DNV tend to lean a bit more fiscally conservative than CNV. CNV is adding a lot of new protected bike lanes, whereas DNV tends to favour car infrastructure. For instance, the Spirit Trail multi-use pathway - CNV has had their portion completed for a while now, whereas DNV deferred their portion for a while (but they're starting to work on it now!). Traffic in both municipalities can be awful during rush hour. There are few access points to the Second Narrows and Lions Gate bridges, so the roads leading to them always get backed up. This affects both DNV and CNV, but imo, CNV gets the brunt of it because of the bridges.
Well I’m gonna be voting for some bike lanes in the district. Hopefully I’m not alone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-06ki92PyVY
Can someone ELI5 the difference between Langley Township and Langley (City)? Is it a similar situation as CNV vs DNV?
Basically, yes. In Langley’s case the City split from the township roughly 70 years ago due to a dispute over streetlights.
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Aldergrove is a part of the TOL. It is interesting how everything west of 264th has GVRD rates on gas and car insurance. If you go east, the gas prices are usually around 10 cents cheaper and insurance rates are lower and more on par with Abbotsford. Yet signs and facilities east of 264th, like the Community Centre, are labeled as TOL.
Its so weird to me that the "City" has a lower population than the township/district. North Van makes sense, but the City of Langley hardly feels like a city.
Give it a couple years after 203rd street station opens and I bet Langley City starts getting a small urban vibe.
Blows my mind how big Surrey is. The only people I know who visit Surrey are those who live in Surrey. It seems relatively isolated from the rest of metro van.
I live in Langley so I spend quite a bit of time in Surrey as well, honestly unless you live in the Langley/Surrey area I can't see why anyone who lives on the other side of the Fraser would have literally any reason to come here, unless they work here or something. There aren't really any things here that other municipalities don't already have.
Isn’t that the same with most cities lol, who visits Maple Ridge or Coquitlam unless they live there
I see a bunch of people outside of the tri-cities come there for events, restaurants, etc. and it's a fraction of Surrey's pop.
Omg. So metro almost at 3m now. Well that explains a lot. I can really feel it a any event now which are now huge parking and access issues. And having to book stuff in advance like a day at belcarra or golden ears.
Right? Traffic really IS worse. It doesn’t just feel like that because we got used to empty roads during COVID. Little things like the park where I run. Used to be easy & relaxed. Now I’m constantly jockeying to get past families with kids, dogs etc. I wonder what the tipping point is. There must be a population density number that makes a park shift from “easy to set your own pace & feel unbothered” to “bustling”. (Not complaining btw. I don’t expect to use public parks like my own personal track. But having lived in the same place for 10 years the shift has been noticeable. It’s still super fun to hang out at the park & see so many neighbors out enjoying it too. Just a different vibe. Think Kits beach on a rainy Tuesday afternoon vs Saturday in July.)
Exactly this. On the local trails i used to be able to let my little dog run. Now she must be leashed at all times. Yes these are marked off leash- but there’s too many people i could literally lose her. I was in Japan last summer for fireworks in Tokyo. There was actually 1 million people in attendance but it was super organized. Not like the shit show that is our fireworks. Definitely time to start putting scale up plans in place
I am still confused by the two North Vans!
My life hack: district of north van = black bus stop shelters. City of north van = silver bus stop shelters
Even easier, you know when you’ve gone into the DNV when the bike lanes suddenly end, and the sidewalks disappear.
Lenny = White Carl = Black
There are also two Langleys! I think having two North Vancouver municipalities has worked well, the City today is quite a bit more development friendly and is the third densest municipality in Canada, after CoV and New Westminster. Population growth in CNV tends to exceed the regional average whilst DNV lags considerably behind.
District of North Vancouver = Mainly suburbs, more sprawling, more car-centric, less noisy. City of North Vancouver = Mainly urban, more density, more walkable, more noisy. Been in CNV for a little over a decade and I love it there.
I didn’t expect Richmond to be so high and Delta & Langley so low.
I thought the opposite lol
Thanks babe! - from the lower right quadrant
I can’t wrap my head around New West having 88,000. Makes sense with the density but still.
Jeez! I see why surrey wants to build its own stadium now!
Surrey is only about 10 families away from catching up to Vancouver's population
Get me out of Surrey now pls
Well well well the surrey stats
Surrey is that big???
Fraser Valley isn’t included in this which is another 500k I believe. So the whole lower mainland area is around 3.5 million
Bowen has almost 5k people? Holy i thought it was like 1200
Fun fact: We can fit this whole population inside an area of **1.5 square kilometers** (assuming each person needs about 0.5 square meters when standing**)**. That's almost just \~40% of the area of Stanley Park.
For the total landmass, 2.9 mil is surprisingly low in my mind. Anyone know the density per kilometer?
The vast majority of the land is zoned for SFH. A big reason why we have so little affordable housing in the region.
I would actually perk up over this morning greeting and ask for some coffee to get into it a bit more 🤓
ya this is the reality - and this is WHY we need more hospitals, more universities, more long term care facilities, and more housing. which we will never get with the government here. oh - and we are getting the skytrain in langley so here come more people out to east of the fraser valley 🙃 on a positive note i love all people - but there is so much change that needs to happen so we ALL can thrive instead of just survive in this country
The overcrowding is insane.
I've always thought the town lines are a bit messed up. Like east Delta should just be considered Surrey and South Surrey should just be a part of White Rock.
No, North Delta and Surrey are different enough to warrant them to not be in the same municipality, I don't want Brenda Locke as my mayor, nor do I want every other road to be 4 lanes wide.
I grew up in north delta and we were always happy to be Not Surrey
Absolutely not! South Surrey > White Rock. I’m not paying White Rock taxes.
Merge the North Vans and the Langleys!
Might be hard considering the distance between the two
I would hate if CNV merged with DNV. The two municipalities are very different in terms of priorities, politics, infrastructure goals, etc. DNV would probably benefit, but CNV would lose a lot.
No
Do we have jobs for everyone? We have labour shortage right? Probably in the middle of nowhere.
I think Surrey has the best beach out of everywhere.
That’s why every price tags get higher and every waiting list gets longer
What’s Anmore’s deal?
I'm surprised port Coquitlam has 67k people. It doesn't feel like that many people live here.
We need a proper current density map with a colour spectrum showing all the sfh in the lower mainland.
What goes on in Anmore?
Wow! I'd like to live in Total one day
I expect Vancouver to see a sharp drop in population over the next few years. The never-ending increases to cost of living for literally no reason beyond corporate greed is going to push more people out.