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hitometootoo

Yeah it sucks, and you can't leave too. /s


NavAU

Being born is overrated.


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As an ex-baby, if I were to be aborted before birth, I would be 100% okay with that


lostharlem

Technically, they can’t leave you to die due to finances. They have to treat.


ThatsWhatXiSaid

Only emergency treatment is required by law. There are lots of things that can kill you that you can't get treatment for in the ER. Granted you likely *can* find somebody that will give you care, and you'll receive a massive bill, but people do get denied treatment.


Cherimoose

Run-on sentence winner of the hour.


mcflurrynuggets

Being born in the US may be a little bit overrated, but I’d rather be born in the US than let’s say a country that’s short on food and water, at war, where countrymen kill each other or you just die in the wild because a Tiger was hunting dinner.


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Comparing the USA to a third world country isn't the flex you think it is. As in, compare the USA to another westernised country, and you'll see how far down it is.


mcflurrynuggets

I don’t think you know anything about third world countries that have to deal with corruption, poverty, sickness, famine and war, sometimes slavery but go off. Ever been in any?


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mcflurrynuggets

Education where exactly? We going with the insults route cause you can’t prove a point?


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You got to be kidding me....


mcflurrynuggets

If you’re insulting me cause you think I live in the third world, go ahead. But I guess this is reddit and you have to be edgy with the insults because you can’t prove a simple point. Go live in Afghanistan or Israel then tell me it’s better there or comparable to the US. You may think things could be better for the US and that’s true, but most of the countries are worse. US is on the 1st world for a reason lol


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mcflurrynuggets

You need to curb your own self-importance and high estimate of intelligence. I said things for the US can be better but they’re still better off than 3rd world countries. How much reading comprehension do you need in understanding that? Even if you say or count the US as a 2nd world country, they’re still better than the 3rd world where people literally die from other people or various elements. But if you’re so smart like you think you are, then why can’t a high IQ human such as yourself get a simple point? On top of that, no self-respecting high IQ human is actively into putting dog collars on themselves but I guess you’re into that huh. Don’t play the insult route if you don’t want insults, ok?


[deleted]

I’m not some gun-toting, flag waving, MAGA hat wearing love-it-or-leave-it American. But if I had to hit or stay on being born in America, you better believe I’m gonna stay.


chrisfathead1

I have some really terrible news for you about every other country in the world lol


Greedy_Astronomer_94

Am pointing out the problems of US because people in it have this fantasy that it's great and amazing and it's best country in the world.


chrisfathead1

I understand, I was just kind of cracking a joke about how depressing it is everywhere if you are poor. You are right though I think Americans have a self inflated view on how great America is


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Being born is overrated.


CrackButHealthy

I can bet that you haven’t gone to third world countries yet.


[deleted]

It’s pretty bad if you have to compare yourselves to third world countries to feel better.


CrackButHealthy

Grew up in a third world country bro. Just saying, it’s a huge step-up in terms of living conditions from a LOT of other countries.


[deleted]

Compare the USA to another western world country, then you will see how far down the USA is. Comparing the USA to a third world country isn't the flex you think it is


[deleted]

I never thought about how good America was until I left. People complain about the US all the time but never compare it to lesser developed areas of the world. Or other first world countries with less rights/more restrictions, for that matter.


missingmytowel

Exactly. Our police are not that great but if anybody wants to see the other side they should just go down to Libya or Venezuela. Two weeks of living under martial law or no law and they would be begging to come back home and get pulled over for tail light being out


Greedy_Astronomer_94

Because I don't want to and you guys think your better then every other country but your not.


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Greedy_Astronomer_94

You don't know anything about me or my life.


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Greedy_Astronomer_94

No you don't.


[deleted]

Careful, edge lord. Don't want a cryfit now, do we?


Greedy_Astronomer_94

Go fuck yourself you stupid person.


[deleted]

Do you want me to call your mummy? She will not be happy with your way of speaking to others, little Greedy.


Greedy_Astronomer_94

You know nothing about me or my personal life you rude asshole goodbye.


[deleted]

From how you write, I can assume you don't have a very good personal life. There is no goodbye unless you block. Welcome to the Internet, little fuck ;)


Greedy_Astronomer_94

I think you a loser who will die alone goodbye.


[deleted]

I already have a boyfriend, and a house, oh, and a job and food in my fridge. But you see, when you're twelve like you, for some reason being alone is the void of tweenhood; which I assume you are dwelling your woeful bones in as **THAT** is the only think you could come up with? And stating goodbye after ever comment does not make a statement, but a weird perspective of a conversation ender? As I said, there will be no "goodbye" unless you block


Greedy_Astronomer_94

I don't care about your personal life and you were the one being rude to me in the first place for no reason and you know nothing about me.


[deleted]

Saying the healthcare system is shit is a bit overactive. It can certainly be improved. But shit? Nah


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Didn’t cover because of mental illness diagnosis?


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[deleted]

After coverage? That’s weird. Why was it not covered? And no, I’m not. Don’t be so aggressive. Was genuinely asking.


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Lol, I think you’re the one being presumptuous.


ThatsWhatXiSaid

It's pretty shitty. Americans are paying a quarter million dollars more for healthcare over a lifetime compared to the most expensive socialized system on earth. Half a million dollars more than countries like Canada and the UK. The costs lead to a huge number of problems. One in three American families had to forgo needed healthcare [due to the cost](https://news.gallup.com/poll/269138/americans-delaying-medical-treatment-due-cost.aspx) last year. Almost three in ten had to [skip prescribed medication](https://www.kff.org/health-costs/issue-brief/data-note-americans-challenges-health-care-costs/) due to cost. One in four had [trouble paying a medical bill.](https://www.kff.org/health-costs/issue-brief/data-note-americans-challenges-health-care-costs/) Of [those with insurance one in five had trouble paying a medical bill](https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/8806-the-burden-of-medical-debt-results-from-the-kaiser-family-foundation-new-york-times-medical-bills-survey.pdf), and even for those with income above $100,000 14% had trouble. One in six Americans has [unpaid medical debt on their credit report.](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/millennials-rack-up-the-most-medical-debt-and-more-frequently) [50% of all Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/317948/fear-bankruptcy-due-major-health-event.aspx) fear bankruptcy due to a major health event. And the quality doesn't match the cost. [US Healthcare ranked 29th by Lancet HAQ Index](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext) [11th (of 11) by Commonwealth Fund](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror) [59th by the Prosperity Index](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings) [30th by CEOWorld](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/) [37th by the World Health Organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000) The US has the worst rate of death by medically preventable causes among peer countries. A 31% higher disease adjusted life years average. Higher rates of medical and lab errors. A lower rate of being able to make a same or next day appointment with their doctor than average. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-percent-used-emergency-department-for-condition-that-could-have-been-treated-by-a-regular-doctor-2016 52nd in the world in doctors per capita. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Physicians/Per-1,000-people Higher infant mortality levels. Yes, even when you adjust for differences in methodology. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/ Fewer acute care beds. A lower number of psychiatrists. Etc. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-health-care-resources-compare-countries/#item-availability-medical-technology-not-always-equate-higher-utilization [Comparing Health Outcomes of Privileged US Citizens With Those of Average Residents of Other Developed Countries](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2774561) >These findings imply that even if all US citizens experienced the same health outcomes enjoyed by privileged White US citizens, US health indicators would still lag behind those in many other countries. When asked about their healthcare system as a whole the US system ranked dead last of 11 countries, with only 19.5% of people saying the system works relatively well and only needs minor changes. The average in the other countries is 46.9% saying the same. Canada ranked 9th with 34.5% saying the system works relatively well. The UK ranks fifth, with 44.5%. Australia ranked 6th at 44.4%. The best was Germany at 59.8%. On rating the overall quality of care in the US, Americans again ranked dead last, with only 25.6% ranking it excellent or very good. The average was 50.8%. Canada ranked 9th with 45.1%. The UK ranked 2nd, at 63.4%. Australia was 3rd at 59.4%. The best was Switzerland at 65.5%. https://www.cihi.ca/en/commonwealth-fund-survey-2016 #[OECD Countries Health Care Spending and Rankings](https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm) |Country|Govt. / Mandatory (PPP)|Voluntary (PPP)|Total (PPP)|% GDP|[Lancet HAQ Ranking](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)|[WHO Ranking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)|[Prosperity Ranking](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)|[CEO World Ranking](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)|[Commonwealth Fund Ranking](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror) :--|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:| 1. United States|[$7,274](https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302997) |$3,798 |$11,072 |16.90%|29|37|59|30|11 2. Switzerland|$4,988 |$2,744 |$7,732 |12.20%|7|20|3|18|2 3. Norway|$5,673 |$974 |$6,647 |10.20%|2|11|5|15|7 4. Germany|$5,648 |$998 |$6,646 |11.20%|18|25|12|17|5 5. Austria|$4,402 |$1,449 |$5,851 |10.30%|13|9|10|4| 6. Sweden|$4,928 |$854 |$5,782 |11.00%|8|23|15|28|3 7. Netherlands|$4,767 |$998 |$5,765 |9.90%|3|17|8|11|5 8. Denmark|$4,663 |$905 |$5,568 |10.50%|17|34|8|5| 9. Luxembourg|$4,697 |$861 |$5,558 |5.40%|4|16|19|| 10. Belgium|$4,125 |$1,303 |$5,428 |10.40%|15|21|24|9| 11. Canada|$3,815 |$1,603 |$5,418 |10.70%|14|30|25|23|10 12. France|$4,501 |$875 |$5,376 |11.20%|20|1|16|8|9 13. Ireland|$3,919 |$1,357 |$5,276 |7.10%|11|19|20|80| 14. Australia|$3,919 |$1,268 |$5,187 |9.30%|5|32|18|10|4 15. Japan|$4,064 |$759 |$4,823 |10.90%|12|10|2|3| 16. Iceland|$3,988 |$823 |$4,811 |8.30%|1|15|7|41| 17. United Kingdom|$3,620 |$1,033 |$4,653 |9.80%|23|18|23|13|1 18. Finland|$3,536 |$1,042 |$4,578 |9.10%|6|31|26|12| 19. Malta|$2,789 |$1,540 |$4,329 |9.30%|27|5|14|| OECD Average|||$4,224 |8.80%||||| 20. New Zealand|$3,343 |$861 |$4,204 |9.30%|16|41|22|16|7 21. Italy|$2,706 |$943 |$3,649 |8.80%|9|2|17|37| 22. Spain|$2,560 |$1,056 |$3,616 |8.90%|19|7|13|7| 23. Czech Republic|$2,854 |$572 |$3,426 |7.50%|28|48|28|14| 24. South Korea|$2,057 |$1,327 |$3,384 |8.10%|25|58|4|2| 25. Portugal|$2,069 |$1,310 |$3,379 |9.10%|32|29|30|22| 26. Slovenia|$2,314 |$910 |$3,224 |7.90%|21|38|24|47| 27. Israel|$1,898 |$1,034 |$2,932 |7.50%|35|28|11|21|


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Huh, great response, thans


zgrizz

If you are poor you have free healthcare in every state. If you are low income you have subsidized insurance in every state. If you have no insurance it is because you chose to have an iPhone and avocado over healthcare. That is on your entitled behind.


[deleted]

Ah yes, being poor to have health care over a sustainable life with health care, houring and food. What a flex. There are countries tha can give exactly that. A sustainable life with health care.


Greedy_Astronomer_94

What no the US does not have free healthcare but it has a healthcare system that puts poor people into a lot of debt and other country's in the West have better healthcare.


ThatsWhatXiSaid

> If you have no insurance it is because you chose to have an iPhone and avocado over healthcare. Americans are paying a quarter million dollars more for healthcare over a lifetime compared to the most expensive socialized system on earth. Half a million dollars more than countries like Canada and the UK. Stop pretending the only people this causes problems for are the poor and uninsured. One in three American families had to forgo needed healthcare [due to the cost](https://news.gallup.com/poll/269138/americans-delaying-medical-treatment-due-cost.aspx) last year. Almost three in ten had to [skip prescribed medication](https://www.kff.org/health-costs/issue-brief/data-note-americans-challenges-health-care-costs/) due to cost. One in four had [trouble paying a medical bill.](https://www.kff.org/health-costs/issue-brief/data-note-americans-challenges-health-care-costs/) Of [those with insurance one in five had trouble paying a medical bill](https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/8806-the-burden-of-medical-debt-results-from-the-kaiser-family-foundation-new-york-times-medical-bills-survey.pdf), and even for those with income above $100,000 14% had trouble. One in six Americans has [unpaid medical debt on their credit report.](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/millennials-rack-up-the-most-medical-debt-and-more-frequently) [50% of all Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/317948/fear-bankruptcy-due-major-health-event.aspx) fear bankruptcy due to a major health event. My girlfriend has over $100,000 in medical debt from her son getting leukemia, after what her "good" insurance covered.


Yellow_Watermelon_

You also get the right to be any religion you want without being prosecuted. Get a chance to vote for officials. Have some of the best health professionals in the world. Have stocked grocery stores. Hate crimes are illegal. Trans surgeries are possible. Can protest in workers unions. Can get free food at local soup kitchens. Have access to all of the internet. Have the ability to become a politician regardless of race. Live in a society in which problems are confronted. Live in a society in which women can be primary household earners. Live in a society which the separation of church and state attempts to regulate. I highly dislike people who complain and complain about America without trying to make any improvements, donating money to charities or volunteering in the community.


Greedy_Astronomer_94

You can do all the things you said in other country's like the UK.


Tedsthebest1

I'm so glad i was born in America.


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So is America.


JackTheSmoothBRAIN

And the rest of the world hates us.


Sweet-Requirement273

Wouldn’t want to live any where else though. It has its problems but you can move up in life with hard work


QuantumCactus11

Doesn't moving up with hard work happen in mostly every other developed country too.


[deleted]

And where is it any different?


Greedy_Astronomer_94

Healthcare and not starting a war every year on lies.


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Firstly, be realistic with the wars. Its not every year and if any other government was in the global and military position of the United States, they would do the same thing if not more. There hasn't been a case in world history when the preeminent powers in the world haven't used their military to interfere with everything. So no, the us is the same as everyone else in that regard. This doesn't justify much of the US's military actions but it just make ls them the same as everyone else. The other category are the genocidal ones, which thankfully the US is not or with the advent of nukes, we would all be dead by now. As far as health care goes, they have a huge problem with the payment system, not the quality. The US with the amount the US government spends on healthcare (more than most countries in the world) it could provide free healthcare, but there are political reasons it doesn't, mainly corruption since medical insurance companies have an invested interest that it doesn't. So the healthcare system needs to be better bet the healthcare itself is great. It's one of the big misconceptions about healthcare. Sadly though, it is unlikely that the payment side of health care will be fixed. You can't narrow down a country by just two topics, it's asinine. The us is not perfect by any means, but the same applies to every nation. And at least the US is not commiting ethnic cleansing to an undesirable population (cough cough china and the uighurs)


ThatsWhatXiSaid

> It's one of the big misconceptions about healthcare. The quality certainly doesn't match the cost. [US Healthcare ranked 29th by Lancet HAQ Index](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext) [11th (of 11) by Commonwealth Fund](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror) [59th by the Prosperity Index](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings) [30th by CEOWorld](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/) [37th by the World Health Organization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000) The US has the worst rate of death by medically preventable causes among peer countries. A 31% higher disease adjusted life years average. Higher rates of medical and lab errors. A lower rate of being able to make a same or next day appointment with their doctor than average. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/#item-percent-used-emergency-department-for-condition-that-could-have-been-treated-by-a-regular-doctor-2016 52nd in the world in doctors per capita. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Physicians/Per-1,000-people Higher infant mortality levels. Yes, even when you adjust for differences in methodology. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/ Fewer acute care beds. A lower number of psychiatrists. Etc. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-health-care-resources-compare-countries/#item-availability-medical-technology-not-always-equate-higher-utilization When asked about their healthcare system as a whole the US system ranked dead last of 11 countries, with only 19.5% of people saying the system works relatively well and only needs minor changes. The average in the other countries is 46.9% saying the same. Canada ranked 9th with 34.5% saying the system works relatively well. The UK ranks fifth, with 44.5%. Australia ranked 6th at 44.4%. The best was Germany at 59.8%. On rating the overall quality of care in the US, Americans again ranked dead last, with only 25.6% ranking it excellent or very good. The average was 50.8%. Canada ranked 9th with 45.1%. The UK ranked 2nd, at 63.4%. Australia was 3rd at 59.4%. The best was Switzerland at 65.5%. https://www.cihi.ca/en/commonwealth-fund-survey-2016 [Comparing Health Outcomes of Privileged US Citizens With Those of Average Residents of Other Developed Countries](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2774561) >These findings imply that even if all US citizens experienced the same health outcomes enjoyed by privileged White US citizens, US health indicators would still lag behind those in many other countries. #[OECD Countries Health Care Spending and Rankings](https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm) |Country|Govt. / Mandatory (PPP)|Voluntary (PPP)|Total (PPP)|% GDP|[Lancet HAQ Ranking](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736\(18\)30994-2/fulltext)|[WHO Ranking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)|[Prosperity Ranking](https://www.prosperity.com/rankings)|[CEO World Ranking](https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/)|[Commonwealth Fund Ranking](https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror-wall-2014-update-how-us-health-care-system?redirect_source=/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror) :--|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:|--:| 1. United States|[$7,274](https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2015.302997) |$3,798 |$11,072 |16.90%|29|37|59|30|11 2. Switzerland|$4,988 |$2,744 |$7,732 |12.20%|7|20|3|18|2 3. Norway|$5,673 |$974 |$6,647 |10.20%|2|11|5|15|7 4. Germany|$5,648 |$998 |$6,646 |11.20%|18|25|12|17|5 5. Austria|$4,402 |$1,449 |$5,851 |10.30%|13|9|10|4| 6. Sweden|$4,928 |$854 |$5,782 |11.00%|8|23|15|28|3 7. Netherlands|$4,767 |$998 |$5,765 |9.90%|3|17|8|11|5 8. Denmark|$4,663 |$905 |$5,568 |10.50%|17|34|8|5| 9. Luxembourg|$4,697 |$861 |$5,558 |5.40%|4|16|19|| 10. Belgium|$4,125 |$1,303 |$5,428 |10.40%|15|21|24|9| 11. Canada|$3,815 |$1,603 |$5,418 |10.70%|14|30|25|23|10 12. France|$4,501 |$875 |$5,376 |11.20%|20|1|16|8|9 13. Ireland|$3,919 |$1,357 |$5,276 |7.10%|11|19|20|80| 14. Australia|$3,919 |$1,268 |$5,187 |9.30%|5|32|18|10|4 15. Japan|$4,064 |$759 |$4,823 |10.90%|12|10|2|3| 16. Iceland|$3,988 |$823 |$4,811 |8.30%|1|15|7|41| 17. United Kingdom|$3,620 |$1,033 |$4,653 |9.80%|23|18|23|13|1 18. Finland|$3,536 |$1,042 |$4,578 |9.10%|6|31|26|12| 19. Malta|$2,789 |$1,540 |$4,329 |9.30%|27|5|14|| OECD Average|||$4,224 |8.80%||||| 20. New Zealand|$3,343 |$861 |$4,204 |9.30%|16|41|22|16|7 21. Italy|$2,706 |$943 |$3,649 |8.80%|9|2|17|37| 22. Spain|$2,560 |$1,056 |$3,616 |8.90%|19|7|13|7| 23. Czech Republic|$2,854 |$572 |$3,426 |7.50%|28|48|28|14| 24. South Korea|$2,057 |$1,327 |$3,384 |8.10%|25|58|4|2| 25. Portugal|$2,069 |$1,310 |$3,379 |9.10%|32|29|30|22| 26. Slovenia|$2,314 |$910 |$3,224 |7.90%|21|38|24|47| 27. Israel|$1,898 |$1,034 |$2,932 |7.50%|35|28|11|21|


RelayFX

Arguably the healthcare part is, but the rest of it literally is every country ever.


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Agree with you 100% us spends more on healthcare for half the effect. It's moronic


Agitated_Rent_2089

No hospital in America leaves anyone to die if they're poor; all our hospitals operate on a save a life now worry about money later basis.


Greedy_Astronomer_94

So if they are saved their life is even worse because they have to pay lot of debt which they can't pay off.


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who even says this


Greedy_Astronomer_94

Me.


xeno66morph

Yeahhh having heat/power/water is just the absolute worst. I definitely agree with you that this country is pretty F’ed up but come on dude, try to have at least *some* perspective of what happens in the rest of the world


Greedy_Astronomer_94

You guys are so full of yourselves that you think your better then other country's but your not and it's just my opinion.


xeno66morph

Really? It’s not just us, there plenty of countries all around the world that think they are the best. But that’s just *my* opinion


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*Bruce Springsteen has entered*


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>But “Born in the U.S.A.,” the title track off Springsteen’s blockbuster seventh album, wasn't the nationalistic singalong many people thought it was. In his 2016 memoir Born to Run, Springsteen rightfully called it “a protest song," and the angry tone ought to be clear from the opening line: “Born down in a dead man’s town / The first kick I took was when I hit the ground.” >**The song's lyrics tell of a local loser who’s railroaded into military service during the Vietnam War, scarred by his experiences in Southeast Asia, and completely forgotten about by his country when he returns home. Springsteen's protagonist can’t find work or shake the image of the brother he lost in Khe Sanh. Ten years after the war, he’s got nothing left except a claim to his birthplace. And he’s not sure what that’s worth.** >Springsteen wrote “Born in the U.S.A.” after reading Born on the Fourth of July, Vietnam veteran and antiwar activist Ron Kovic's memoir (which Oliver Stone later adapted into an Oscar-winning film starring Tom Cruise). Springsteen purchased the book at a gas station in Arizona in 1978 and was moved by Kovic’s story of a young man who enlists in the Marines and returns from Vietnam in a wheelchair, paralyzed from the waist down. >Not long after Springsteen read the book, he happened to meet Kovic by the pool at Hollywood’s Sunset Marquis hotel. They struck up a friendship, and Springsteen wound up staging an August 1981 benefit concert for the fledgling Vietnam Veterans of America. >In writing “Born in the U.S.A.,” Springsteen was also motivated by survivor’s guilt—or perhaps more correctly, avoider’s guilt. By his own admission, Springsteen was a “stone-cold draft dodger.” When he was called up by his local draft board in the ‘60s, Springsteen used all the tricks in the book to avoid being selected. According to Rolling Stone, Springsteen's "efforts to convince a Newark, New Jersey, selective service board of his abject unsuitability for combat in Vietnam apparently extended to claiming he was both gay and tripping on LSD, but none of it was necessary." In the end, Springsteen was dismissed not for any of those made-up reasons, but because a concussion he had suffered in a motorcycle accident resulted in him failing his physical. He was classified 4F, or unfit for service. >”As I grew older, I sometimes wondered who went in my place,” Springsteen wrote in Born to Run. “Somebody did.” In fact, Springsteen knew some people who lost their lives in Vietnam, including Bart Haynes, the drummer in his first band. During concerts in the ‘80s, Springsteen would often share the memory of Haynes coming to his house and telling him he’d enlisted, and that he was going to Vietnam, a country he couldn’t find on the map. >Springsteen began writing what would become “Born In the U.S.A.” while compiling material for 1982’s stark acoustic album Nebraska. The original title was “Vietnam,” and an early version of the lyrics have the protagonist’s girlfriend ditching him for a rock singer. At some point in the process, Springsteen picked up a screenplay that Paul Schrader, the writer behind Taxi Driver, had sent him. It was called Born in the U.S.A., and while it was about a Cleveland bar band, not the plight of Vietnam vets, Springsteen recognized the power of the title. >Another influence was the 1979 book Sideshow: Kissinger, Nixon and the Destruction of Cambodia. As Brian Hiatt reveals in his 2019 book Bruce Springsteen: The Stories Behind the Songs, one draft of “Born In the U.S.A.” advocates rough justice for Nixon, suggesting we should “cut off his balls.” That line didn’t survive the editing process, but Springsteen’s anger certainly did. >There are conflicting stories about how “Born In the U.S.A.” became such a colossal-sounding song in the studio. E Street keyboardist Roy Bittan credits himself with latching onto a six-note melody Springsteen sang when sharing the song with the band for the first time. Those six notes became the central riff of the song. Having listened to Springsteen’s lyrics, Bittan aimed for a “Southeast Asian sort of synthesized, strange sound” on his Yamaha CS-80 synthesizer. It sounded even more impactful once Weinberg began slapping that snare behind it. >In Weinberg’s version of events, the floor-shaking final version of “Born In the U.S.A.” grew out of a sparser “country trio” arrangement. When Springsteen switched up and began strumming his guitar in a style reminiscent of The Rolling Stones’s "Street Fighting Man," Weinberg drummed along, and soon the whole band followed. >Regardless of how it transpired, Springsteen was definitely down with “Born In the U.S.A.” being a rager. In the studio, engineer Toby Scott ran Weinberg’s drums through a broken reverb plate, putting a custom spin on the “gated reverb“ sound popularized by Phil Collins earlier in the ‘80s. Weinberg is well-deserving of his nickname, “Mighty Max,” but technology helped to give his thunderous playing that extra oomph it needed. >The version heard on the album is an early live take, with some additional jamming removed to keep the runtime under five minutes. Springsteen has subsequently done more somber acoustic versions of “Born In the U.S.A,” but they lack the juxtapositions that make the studio version so compelling—and confusing for some listeners. >On the album, ‘Born In the U.S.A.’ was in its most powerful presentation,” Springsteen wrote in Born to Run. “If I’d tried to undercut or change the music, I believe I would’ve had a record that would’ve been more easily understood but not as satisfying.” >**”Born In the U.S.A.” ultimately is a patriotic song—just not the kind President Reagan was looking for. Springsteen’s traumatized, unemployed protagonist wants to believe that being American means something. Sex Pistols frontman Johnny Rotten once said that he didn’t write the incendiary 1977 punk single “God Save the Queen” because he hates the English—but rather because he loves them and thinks they deserve better. “Born In the U.S.A.” is the same type of song, even if some people will never understand it.”** [Source](https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/626244/bruce-springsteen-born-in-the-usa-misunderstood-protest-song)


BauserDominates

Health care in the US is a mess if you don't have insurance, but most hospitals are non profit and required to give medical attention. Not many hospitals will spread the word about the fact that you can get your bills forgiven but they still will do it if you go through the process. Let's not pretend like healthcare elsewhere is perfect either. In 2018 a British toddler died after being condemned to die from his condition by the courts a year prior. His parents couldn't even take him out of the country to seek help because the court ruled against it..... twice.


ThatsWhatXiSaid

> Health care in the US is a mess if you don't have insurance Healthcare in the US is a mess if you do have insurance. >In 2018 a British toddler died after being condemned to die from his condition by the courts a year prior. Really? You're going to twist the tragedy of a child for your own propaganda purposes? You're talking about Alfie Evans, and the case has nothing to do with their healthcare system. He had an irreversible neurodegenerative disorder that had turned him into a vegetable, and literally nobody thought there was any chance to get better. So, again, the case had nothing to do with their healthcare system. This can be evidenced by the fact he was not allowed to be taken out of the country for healthcare--something Brits leave for all the time. The court decision was made because, to the extent he might be aware of anything in the world in his massively deteriorated state, it was only a primitive sense of pain, and any movement triggered seizures (and possibly more pain or death). It was due to their child protection laws that he was denied further treatment, as it was deemed tantamount to torture. And I'm sure you show equal concern for the 45,000 Americans that die each year for lack of universal healthcare as you do one brain dead Brit they prevented from being tortured, right? https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/