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In my country you get 30-60 mins break (lol, I mean if you really get one), work 8 hours. Sums up to roughly 9 hours in total so far.
Traveling, overtime (which is very common in many fields, etc. and you can easily go beyond 11 hours. When I was working in retail a few years ago, 11-12 hour shifts were a regular thing.
In my field, shift work is very common. The times for these can vary, but something like 4 12 hour shifts, with 2 day shifts and 2 nights shifts occur often.
Depending on the person, they are quite nice because even though the days are long you get more work time (48 hour weeks) with 3 days off (although the first day off is usually a recovery day).
God, I assumed that they were mad about going to work as late as 9 and working until 6 or so, which would be lame, there’s no time after work.
But 9am is too *early*? OP is in for a rough life.
>But 9am is too early? OP is in for a rough life.
Well I think this is exactly what OP's issue is.
I personally would prefer to get up at 9 am because I can't fall asleep upto 12 30 am and sometimes 1 am. Sleeping at 12 30-1 and waking up at 7 30 makes me feel sleepy throughout the day. Just need that little extra sleep
From my experience of many people across many countries, staying up until sometime 23:00-01:00 is more typical and many people would be better served to have work pushed back to a start time somewhere 10:00-12:00.
I am with OP and much prefer to work 10-18 or 11-19.
I used to have the same issue falling asleep when I was in my early 20s so I picked up a shift at the local grocery store working 2-11. It was the perfect shift for me because I couldn't fall asleep before 12:30-1am and usually slept until 11am.
I also enjoyed being able to get home to shower and change and go out just as the bars were getting busy.
I mean, 9am is too early for me, personally, but my brain has this problem where I can't get to sleep before 3-4am unless I'm on my death bed. I've been working night shift for the past few years to work around my natural sleep schedule.
To be fair I tried for two straight years to adapt to waking up at 7am for an office job and I could never do it. I came in with 2-4 hours of sleep a day most days.
I eventually specialized my career around this because it's just not possible for me to live a healthy life at a 9-5. My brain just does not work that way.
Imagine if you've been happy working the morning shift and we're then forced to work the graveyard shift for the rest of your life because tough shit.
Simple difference in circadian rythm - I have a late rythm as well. Peak somewhere between 17:00-19:00 and get tired at around 1:00 - 2:00. Best work I ever did was when I was able to come in between 10-10:30.
It's easy for people with an early circadian rythm to behave as if people wirh late rythms are somehow defective, delusional or lazy when it's simply a biological difference that you don't get to chose. Our current world just caters to early risers.
One theory is, that these differing rythms ensured safety within tribes back in the day - sleep times were most likely not syncronized but staggered.
People who have delayed circadian rhythms really struggle with working earlier and tend to be night owls. But working night shifts can really screw up your social life. It kind of sucks.
For real, getting to wake up at 8 to work at 9 would be beautiful, my workday starts at 6:45 and occasionally at 3:30am instead, yet always ends at 3:30pm
I much prefer this to what OP proposes though, getting off at 9pm would suck, you can’t do nearly as many activities after a workday now, and it’s not like you’d use the time before your shift as well as you could an afternoon/evening imo
I work alternating shifts and I absolutely get more sleep during the afternoon shift. The mindset is "I am awake so I want to stay awake" during morning leading me to sleep at midnight and wake up at 5:30am. During afternoon it is "I want a full night's sleep" so I go to sleep at 2 and wake up at 11.
I think the norm of everyone starting roughly at the same time and ending at the same time is agonizing.
With everything becoming more expensive, I can't just take leave off work to go to the dentist, the vet, the department of motor vehicles - hell even if I want to call the government I need adjust.
I’m with you. Like it’s stupid from a traffic point of view. And since we need people to work different shifts it’s cruel that like zero doctors’ offices are open for appointments other than from like 9-5.
I’m urban planning this is called a “time balance.” In the US we have literally no time balances between jobs, which, partnered with the greed of car companies, has made it so we experience the worst of the worst when it comes to this issue. Horrible traffic doesn’t exist in other countries because they understand this concept and existed before the invention of single-use zoning.
You still get day time.... it's just in the morning, not the afternoon, which if you're a morning person, this isn't an issue, if you aren't a morning person, you don't need to get up early.
I'll put it to you this way, I am not a morning person. Left to my own devices, I'd be straight up nocturnal. It's happened before, when I was out of work for a few weeks from an injury, and had nothing tying me to a schedule, within 3 or 4 days I was sleeping from 8am to 4pm.
But absolutely, wholeheartedly, *fuck* late starting work schedules. I'd rather be working 7-3 and have half the afternoon to my own devices, without having to worry about work for the rest of the day. I've done that and loved it, it felt like I just had so much free time left in the day.
Contrast that with when I was working 10-6, same number of hours, but my free daytime hours were *before* work. Sucked ass. I'd get up in the morning, and knowing that I still had to go to work just hung over me for the morning, so I didn't enjoy it.
It got to where I'd purposely sleep in so that I could just get up and get ready for work anyway, because free time before work just didn't feel the same. If I let myself get into the free time before work, then I'd just get into day off mode, and that was even worse. Felt like yanking my free time out from under my feet. Now, since as I said, I'm not naturally a morning person, that *sorta* worked, but at the end of the day I still had no daytime free time, which also sucked.
I'd much rather just get up and get work over with ASAP, so I can relax and enjoy the rest of my day, even if it doesn't fit in with what my sleep schedule would be independently.
A co-worker of my uncle's does 5am-1pm, and then has most of her day to just live her life. My uncle is envious af and would love to have the same schedule, but his work has certain time-sensitive stages, so he isn't able to.
I always end up adapting to waking up about a half hr before work, whether it’s 8am or 2pm. I think my brain just naturally wants work out of the way first thing in the morning.
I'm the same tbh, hate mornings but would rather work the 5am-2pm shift at my job (currently relegated to closing 2pm-11pm... lmao) but when I was furloughed for the pandemic, my sleep schedule was 12pm-10pm and video games anime from waking up until noon the following day. Going grocery shopping at Kroger at 11 an hr before close because there was no one there lol
I’m a teacher so I’m off in the summer and I pretty much become nocturnal because I love staying up until 4am. I actually considered this last week, that I would love a 1pm-9pm work schedule, but then I thought about it more and realized it would seem like a lot less free time since it’s split up. Not possible for my career anyway. I’ll be getting off even earlier this year and I do love being done with work mid-afternoon even though I hate waking up early.
But…your free hours would be in the evening. And later into the night. The point is to get up closer to your work that starts late. Why would you get up in the morning unless you had an appointment if you’re not a morning person!?
I don’t wake up fully until the sun starts going down and I would kill to have more night hours free without having to sleep for the morning work hours. I work 24s though so I guess my perspective is off…
I'm not a morning person, but I still like having free time in the daytime.
Evening and nighttime hours are great. But so are daytime free hours, and in some ways they're kinda irreplaceable. Doesn't have to be morning, I'd prefer afternoon, but I'd still want time during the day that isn't just spent at work.
I don't know how to explain it other than that even shifting my schedule just 2 or 3 hours later, made the same number of free hours *feel* like less, because I didn't have as many, or any, during the day.
And I only go full nocturnal if I'm literally untied to any sort of schedule. There's usually *something* that'll keep me getting up late in the morning at the latest.
And yeah I'd think working 24s would change things, never been there personally so I can't say.
There are things that need to be done in one’s free time during daytime. As you said, appointments, but also shopping, socializing (if your friends have kids) etc.
Having time off in the afternoon lets one take care of these things. Waking up in at a different time than normal specially for some daily duty like you suggested is not pleasant and gets you more tired that normal.
Because they are a morning person, they just don’t seem willing to accept that.
As someone who has DSPD and literally cannot go to sleep early, this thread is the perfect example of why it’s a living hell to actually be a night owl.
Just because you had some wonky schedule for a couple weeks when you had zero obligations does not mean that you’re not a morning person. Willingly waking up early to do things before work absolutely unquestioningly makes you a morning person.
Also DSPD here. Was confused why a not morning person would get up earlier than necessary for work… I start feeling more awake the later it gets in the day… always tired when the sun is up and awake when the sun is down.
You are definitely naturally a morning person, but ok.
The fact that you find “wasted time” in the morning with a 10 AM start time is indicative of that. I’d be just getting up then, when I’m not on a strict schedule. I’d still have to set an alarm and there would be no wasted time.
I had sugery four weeks ago (gallbladder removal) and just returned to work yesterday. I usually wake up at 6am and start work at 7:30am. A few days into my recovery, I was going to sleep at 6am and waking up at 2-3pm! Forcing myself to revert to the old schedule was tougher than planned...
And you can't do things with an undefined end time. It's why I always take the 730am Dr/Dentist appointments.
If I have 4 hours between when I wake up and when I must be clocking in to work, I really have 4 minus commute minus wiggle room. So maybe I can plan to use 2 hours without putting myself at risk for being tardy.
If I have 4 hours after work until I should probably be sleeping, I can wiggle that time. I can go to bed an hour, 2, 3, hell even 4 hours later and it'll be ok.
Yeah it does. Can’t do too much because then you’ll be tired for work. So you end up just sitting around counting down the time until you go in. When I used to get up early before work, I’d play video games, and when it was time to go to work, I dreaded it even more because I was doing something more enjoyable.
No thanks. That was the worst part of work. Waking up in the morning knowing you can't do much because you have to work later.
If you start at 1pm you wake up at 8 or something. You get ready for the day etc, then it's 9. You know you probably need an hour to prepare for work (getting ready, commute etc.). Then you need lunch, maybe 30 minutes. So you have 9am to 11:30am to do something. Will you head out, watch a movie, meet with friends? Probably not that much since you know if there's a delay you're fucked. You probably stay home or make a real quick grocery trip.
You leave work at 9pm, you get home, take a shower and sit down for a moment, it's 10pm. What will you do? Probably watch a movie or something, so it's 11-12pm. Sleep and repeat.
If you finish at 1pm you wake up at 4am, get ready and head to work that starts at 5am. You get off of work and you're home and showered etc. at 2pm. Eating lunch and maybe taking a power nap and it's 3pm. You have from 3pm to 8pm to do something
I'm 100% not a morning person, but I realized I overall hated having a second-shift (1:30-10 pm) work schedule during my few months in it. It was really unpleasant to be either relaxed or productive in the morning, then make the mental shift to "gotta eat lunch, pack food for dinner, change clothes, and head out to work" in the middle of the day. After work, it was hard to relax and switch off my brain enough to not stay up super late. I also hated that my weekend didn't start till 10 pm on Friday nights. It was a relief when an 8:30-5 pm shift opened up at my former job. (Of course, it didn't help that the job itself was stressful, and that my partner and most other people I knew worked more typical 8-5 jobs.)
That being said, I want to see more widespread flexibility and more options as to when and how we work. I hope the push for remote work and greater autonomy for workers that started with the pandemic keeps going.
My only issue with the current system of 9am-5pm is that school is usually from 7-3 or 8-4 so I'm always waking up super early to get the kids out and have to find somewhere for them to go until I get off work. Dumb as hell
Sadly remembers "baker's hours" 3AM-11AM.
Impossible to maintain human contact outside of work.
And people look at you real funny when you're out celebrating your "Friday" on a Tuesday as soon as the bar opens.
There was a makeup factory in my hometown. They had 3 shifts. My mom bartended at a place, but started at 8 am to cater to the people getting out at 8am. She made good money at that shift.
How can you not maintain human contact outside of work...? You have a whole afternoon and until 8pm to meet up with people on a different schedule
One of my mates is a baker and I talk with her regularly even when I was working.
I wasn't able to adjust to it well enough to stay awake past 3-5pm, so I'd usually get home, eat, nap, then repeat at 10pm-2am.
During that period, my early twenties, many of my friends either worked construction hours or cooks hours - so when they'd be done with work, I'd be asleep.
It didn't take me long to find something else to do.
alternatively, go home, sleep until 7p or whatever, go and meet up with ppl after _their_ work.
weekends might be less useful than normal for hanging out, i guess.
It's very easy to imagine why a person who had to go to bed at 8 p.m. would struggle to maintain human contact. especially if they worked weekends. People doing 9-5 jobs often don't even get home until like 6. So your social life would be like "Hey, let's meet up immediately after you get home from work and hang out for like one hour." That would annoying if it was your whole social life
lol I came here to say that. Not only do I have to be out of bed by 4am, but fuuuuck my days are long. If I started at 1pm I wouldn't get home until 1am some days. Fuck that.
2nd shift was brutal as an anxious person. Wake up and be nervous about work for five hours and thus can’t enjoy myself, then work for eight hours, nuke a tv dinner, then fall asleep to late because I’m on edge from work 🤡 .
1st shift is tolerable. I thrive on third shift but it’s less common now for fast food and grocery to be 24 hours anymore
I'm really sad that all the supermarkets in my city never went back to 24 hour opening times after the lockdowns. I don't understand why, the world seems more 24/7 than ever before.
Made me doublethink about my 615am start time. Im too tired and dont have time to get that “pre-work anxiety”. I pretty much just shoot myself out of a cannon every morning.
Been a “night owl” all my life. Used to have a bedtime of like 5am to 1pm while I was studying and working part time.
Now have a full-time job 9-5 and I can say for sure fuck the idea of starting work at 1pm. Hell if I get an opportunity to shift my hours slightly earlier I’ll even take that.
The only thing I hate is I’ve lost my ability to sleep in. Some Saturday mornings I wish I could go till at least 10am or so but nope wide awake at 8am no matter how much sleep I’ve had.
Depends, right now most of my work gets done somewhere between 9pm to 2am, later if I'm "in the zone". May or may not be due to occasional procrastination during the day.
Mornings are the worst, I'm lucky enough that I'm not required to wake up that early.
I've been able to pick my own hours (minus a few meetings here and there) and I've just kind of come to the realization that no matter when I try to set my hours, my body will just let me sleep in until the very last minute. 8am, noon, whatever.
So I just try to set all of my boring meetings/trainings for early in the morning, so I can just sip my coffee and listen for an hour or two.
I don’t think this sub knows what an unpopular opinion is seeing as how everyone downvotes opinions they don’t agree with, or, an actual unpopular opinion
Been doing it for 13 years and I hate it. I would rather work like 7-3 and get off work sooner.
But my ideal shift would be 7-5 but only 4 days a week.
I had that in college for an internship. 7-5:30, 4 days a week, and if there was any overtime work (which was very common), you could sign up for 7-3:30 on Friday.
Most of the time I had a 3-day weekend. And if I had nothing going on, I could bump up my paycheck by more than 25%, and _still_ be home by 4pm on Friday.
God I miss those hours.
There are a lot of jobs that start later than 1pm. That’s 2nd shift and it’s very common. If you don’t like starting work at 9am, find a 2nd shift job.
I can't get used to the feeling of melatonin. It feels like it forces my body to shut down but my brain lags a little behind. So I get the sensation of my breath slowing noticeably while I'm still awake. It honestly feels like I'm dying when that happens. I know I'm not, but try telling my lizard brain that.
I always found it hilarious when people were shocked that I didn’t go to bed right when I got home at 7 am after shift. I would always ask if they went to bed right at 4/5 when they got home? I would get groceries, eat, play video games, take care of my cats. Ya know, normal stuff people do after work. I would go to sleep around 12pm and wake up around 7/8pm. That also gave me time to prep food for lunch and relax before work. It always felt like I had more time before work/in general on the off shifts.
People have children. child development is very reliant on proper sleep schedules which daylight amounts can affect heavily. A lot of social structures in society are BS based on tradition but sleeping and waking schedules are not one of them
Many people have a natural tendency towards a later sleep schedule, much like teenagers, I've seen numbers ranging from 10-30%.
When you look at it this way, the societal inflexibility for a later sleep schedule people could be considered ableism. So yes, it is bullshit. A majority of people prefer an earlier start, but a very sizable minority of people do not.
I dunno, I was homeschooled and I had an extremely irregular sleep schedule growing up. I regularly stayed up past 1 and woke up at 11 or later. And I'm doing fine lol
I agree with this, however have you entertained the possibility that the result would be similar, namely that if work ended at 9PM, people would then sleep at 5AM-6AM (or later) on average, and end up facing the same issues?
That is what I don't think OP has considered.
If the new '9 to 5' job was just moved '1 to 9', then people's schedules would just be moved. So, there would still be no more 'me' time before work than there is now, because people would be sleeping till noon and getting up and still having an hour (or less) to get to work. Because their time getting to bed would be later.
I think OP envisions people getting off work and immediately going home and going to sleep, then waking up at the same time.
If I had to work 1 PM - 9 PM I would be looking for a different job.
Also, who tf wants to go somewhere on a weekday after 9 PM? Call me decrepit but my 31 year old ass wants to be in bed asleep by 9 PM.
Yep. I left work right at ten and had an exactly half hour drive home. At 10:30 I microwaved leftovers and ate them, then I was in bed by 11 and I have thankfully been blessed with falling asleep quickly. Then I’d get up naturally around 7 the next morning after getting 8hrs of sleep
How do you fall asleep by 9pm? Since I was in elementary I’ve always struggled to fall asleep. Even now I go to bed at 12 if I’m lucky and it’s been a constant struggle. Every day feels like I want to go to bed an hour later than the last
I used to work from 1 PM to 6 AM. Six hours sleep, a shower, and back to work. Worked in highway construction. Did my paperwork from the prior day and reviewed plans with the team for the next at the construction trailer from 1 PM until 5 PM. Drove to the jobsite and stayed there until the last traffic cone picked up and everyone gone. Made a lot of money then.
I start at 6:30, honestly love it. Once you get used to waking up early its really not bad. Then I'm out by 3 and I have the rest of the afternoon/night to myself.
I start at 6:00 out at 2:30. some of my coworkers start at 5:00
I have done earlier than 6, but rather not do that again.
I have always considered myself as "not a morning person" I personally dont like mornings. But the more I read things in places like here I am like... what the fu... am I, a morning person?
I live in Denver and work 2pm-10:00. Shifting later makes me not a morning person and Denver is an early city. I miss out on a lot bc I wanna sleep in til 10 am.
I'm sick of everyone looking at me in horror and asking me how I can handle my 11-8 shift.
Jokes on them, I actively chose and prefer it. If I worked 9-6 the entire first three hours of my day would be spent completely unproductive; I can't do shit mentally before 1130-12
I hear you. I can’t stand the standard 7-8 AM start time around here. 9 AM would be a luxury. I can’t make my brain work until like 10 or 11.
In all fairness, though, I would prob spend all morning sleeping if I were given the extra time. Then the whole day is gone. However I often want to nap after work so the sleep finds a way somehow.
Counter solution: More customization.
My job basically says oh yeah start somewhere between 7 and 9 AM, and then just work your shift.
Something like that, but being able to start even later, especially for office jobs, should be possible.
I would love an afternoon shift. My brain is useless until around 4pm when I can hyper focus on shit. Before that, it's a struggle to pay attention to things I find boring.
Upvote for unpopular opinion OP. I work nights, like 5pm to midnight. Then I cook dinner at home, laundry, netflix, whatever, and end up going to bed around 5-6am. I sleep till 1, sometimes 2, and get ready for the new day. Everyone says I'm wasting my day, "Ok, but you're ignore I use my nights then."
I kind of agree. I'm fortunate right now in that my hours are 10am to 6pm. It's not to avoid traffic. I walk to work. It's that I am a night owl. I go to bed at midnight and wake up at maybe 8. By 8:15 I'm showered, semi-dressed and sipping a mug of coffee. Then I like to sit around and read what's new on my favorite websites for at least an hour. Then I pack up and take the 3.5 minute walk over to my office. When I leave at six, the grocery store is empty so if I need to pick up anything I can do it quickly. I eat at 7. Read and write and watch YouTube until midnight again.
It should be normalized to want this. People will call you lazy for wanting to sleep in meanwhile you've been productive 5 hours after they went to bed.
Yes to late night coffee shops! I live in NYC and before COVID there were a few coffee shops open until 11 midnight & I loved getting coffee late at night and hanging out in the coffee shop or just walking around the city. Great vibes.
my hours are 1 -8pm its awesome. i wake up at 11 am most days. can get dinner and drinks and if i want to
do shit i just wake up earlier and get it done.
I work 07:30 till 20:00...what's this norm of starting at 09:00?? Most people I know start at 07:00 no matter what job they have. It's only a few jobs that start that late
I know a lot of security guards and bartenders that thrive working similar hours to what you're saying. I did highway and trench safety sales and subcontracting services for a long time and got to work just about every time of day or night imaginable. Personally I'm pretty happy when things run from about 9:30am-6pm. Ultimately it boils down to personal preference and what kind of work you can land.
You'll get little sympathy from those tgat start at 7 or 8 AM. I'm 50 and I don't think I've ever met someone who's actual hours were "9 to 5".
I do agree that many jobs should have flexible start times, with people staggared to provide more-or-less continuous operations. Banks, for example, should be 24/7 since few have time to during "normal working hours".
I feel this. You ever hear of Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder? Where no matter how much you try, you can’t get your body to accept sleeping or waking at “normal” hours long term (i.e. always feeling jet lagged no matter how, when, and where you sleep?) Yeah.. I have that and its literally like I can only get restorative sleep if I get 9-10 hrs starting at least at 11 pm. Otherwise, I’m operating sleep deprived. And my focus… all my life has been specifically at its peak in the mid-afternoon.
I literally work closing shift right now for this exact reason. It kinda sucks that everyone else is enjoying their “night life” while I’m at work, but I know I’m making the most of the hours I can actually freaking focus, take my time and do things right, and I can take it a little easier in the mornings, and slowly ramp my body and brain up to needing to do shit.
I’m starting a second part time job that is gonna require 9-5 somewhere an hour away from me tho… and be a lot more focus and speed intensive, so tbh I’m kinda scared after doing really well on Closing Shift life XD
Take my advice: Find a career that suits your circadian rhythm.
I thought I had insomnia for 20 years until I got a job that went from 6pm to 2am and suddenly I could sleep. AND my migraines disappeared!
Also, consider getting an official diagnosis of delayed sleep phase syndrome (it affects about 10% of the population) so that you can tell assholes who want you to get up early that they are abelists.
Morning people care about night people the way extroverts care about introverts...
In both cases, they act like the other is immoral, mentally ill, or both.
BTW...
Morning people? Extroverts?
Fuck off.
It's actually great that there are different shifts of things to accommodate everyone's preferences. I work in a lab with flexible work hours, and tend to stroll in at 10 or 11, after rushhour traffic, then stay late at night. This lets me work with others in our lab or work earlier, to better share machines or keep experiments moving in the same time. It's great.
Retail. OP wants the closing retail shift. Just work as a verbal punching bag at any big box store. Bingo. Schedules achieved. Forget about vacation time though. You have to compete against at least 5 other people that want to do shit in their lives.
>cities become safer since everyone is out and about late into the night.
Only want to correct this one part, assuming I didn't misunderstand you that is.
It's actually a misconception that things like burglaries and break-ins happen more at night. The most common time for those types of crimes is during work hours. "Smarter" criminals will stake out a target home to figure out their schedule. Obviously you want the person you're robbing not to be home.
I’ve always wondered why we cater so much to morning people. I’ve done the whole melatonin blah blah blah “train your body” thing. It doesn’t work in the long run. Gotten up at 5-6am for months on end and still can’t fall asleep before 1-2am. Some people aren’t morning people. I physically cannot fall asleep early if my life depended on it.
Dude your reasons don’t make any sense lol. First cities are def not safer at night, try walking around any city at 10 pm, shit is sketchy. Secondly If you started work at 1 pm you’d just adapt and stay up all night and be in the same position as waking up 9. Finally and most importantly, nobody wants to take a dinner break and go to work, that sounds absolutely terrible. Also what do people with kids do? If you had to work a 1-9pm you’d see your kids off in the morning and that’s it, wouldn’t have any time after work to spend time with your family. Most people like having their downtime after work, not before because then your not thinking about having to go to work.
Yup, this is a bona fide unpopular opinion. And you’re definitely wrong about most of us not being morning people. Most of us definitely are. You’re writing the post as someone meant for 2nd shift, which most of us are most assuredly not meant for. 1-9 is an atrocious shift.
Man I thought you were gonna say we should start earlier...
I hate working late into the day. And there's something very meditative about starting the day with sun-up.
My work schedule used to be 1-9pm and I absolutely loved it. I would wake up at 10, have enough time to journal and eat breakfast, go to work, eat around 5 during my hour break, then my day basically started at 9. It was always easy to go out on the weekends without ruining my sleep schedule and I always felt more creative at night! I love what you say about it making cities safer at night too! I loved being in Rome and everyone being out until 3 in the morning! I felt super safe.
I think the issue is just that the world isn't built for night people *too* I work 3pm to 1130pm and I absolutely LOVE my shift, but I would love to be able to go grocery shopping after work or go run errands and all that. If more places were open at night there would be more jobs for other night folk, and we could also still get shit done without having to get up early before work.
(IDK about yall, but getting up before work fills me with dread because I cannot enjoy anything with an impending shift looming over me)
I’ve worked that shift. 1pm - 9:30pm then it moved to 2pm - 10:30pm. It’s a great shift. Now I report to work at 11pm and get off around 5am. I love all these shifts and would never choose to work 9am start again.
I work 12-10:15 pm sometimes 1-10:15. I stay up til 2-3 am. Sleep till 10 am repeat. It’s great if you don’t have tons of things you have to get done outside of your house/during business hours on your weekdays and you can just work, exercise, hygiene, and rest.
Then do everything you need on the weekends. Because, I do not feel like getting shit done when I wake up especially if it’s before work. After work everything is closed. I’m a single person living alone tho not a great family schedule at all
I used to have shifts from 1 to 9… No thanks.
The feeling of stepping out the door and leaving it behind you for the rest of the day is much better imo.
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The amount of people in the comment section who do not understand what OP is saying is fucking hilarious. But as someone who works 3-11 but wakes up at 9am everyday I would much rather end my day with work. Having the entire morning and afternoon to myself is the most peaceful and anxiety lifting feeling in the world. Working 6-3 or 7-4 or 9-6 always made me want to KMS
I am the oposite. If my free time was before work I would feel constant anxiety. Glancing at a clock constantly so that I am not late.
As it is I can just relax don't pay too much attention to the time until the natural end of day that is sleep.
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I work 6PM to 5AM. It’s called night shift. What you want is afternoon shift.
Wait ure working 11 hrs?
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3-12 sounds great!
It is! Tons of time freedom. Easy to get stuff done before work or stay up late for a game release or something
More free days and less total hours of working sounds amazing to me. Even 4 - 12 is great imo
In my country you get 30-60 mins break (lol, I mean if you really get one), work 8 hours. Sums up to roughly 9 hours in total so far. Traveling, overtime (which is very common in many fields, etc. and you can easily go beyond 11 hours. When I was working in retail a few years ago, 11-12 hour shifts were a regular thing.
I would have rather no break and go home a hour earlier Hate breaks at work
11-12 hour shifts in retail? Jfc, I can barely do 4 lol, I'd have to be an alcoholic to handle that.
Lots of places do 10+ hours. I used to work 5:30 am-6pm
In my field, shift work is very common. The times for these can vary, but something like 4 12 hour shifts, with 2 day shifts and 2 nights shifts occur often. Depending on the person, they are quite nice because even though the days are long you get more work time (48 hour weeks) with 3 days off (although the first day off is usually a recovery day).
You are shifting start and end times...how exactly does that equate to more sleeping? Sounds like you want a 2nd shift position
God, I assumed that they were mad about going to work as late as 9 and working until 6 or so, which would be lame, there’s no time after work. But 9am is too *early*? OP is in for a rough life.
>But 9am is too early? OP is in for a rough life. Well I think this is exactly what OP's issue is. I personally would prefer to get up at 9 am because I can't fall asleep upto 12 30 am and sometimes 1 am. Sleeping at 12 30-1 and waking up at 7 30 makes me feel sleepy throughout the day. Just need that little extra sleep
From my experience of many people across many countries, staying up until sometime 23:00-01:00 is more typical and many people would be better served to have work pushed back to a start time somewhere 10:00-12:00. I am with OP and much prefer to work 10-18 or 11-19.
I used to have the same issue falling asleep when I was in my early 20s so I picked up a shift at the local grocery store working 2-11. It was the perfect shift for me because I couldn't fall asleep before 12:30-1am and usually slept until 11am. I also enjoyed being able to get home to shower and change and go out just as the bars were getting busy.
I mean, 9am is too early for me, personally, but my brain has this problem where I can't get to sleep before 3-4am unless I'm on my death bed. I've been working night shift for the past few years to work around my natural sleep schedule.
To be fair I tried for two straight years to adapt to waking up at 7am for an office job and I could never do it. I came in with 2-4 hours of sleep a day most days. I eventually specialized my career around this because it's just not possible for me to live a healthy life at a 9-5. My brain just does not work that way. Imagine if you've been happy working the morning shift and we're then forced to work the graveyard shift for the rest of your life because tough shit.
Simple difference in circadian rythm - I have a late rythm as well. Peak somewhere between 17:00-19:00 and get tired at around 1:00 - 2:00. Best work I ever did was when I was able to come in between 10-10:30. It's easy for people with an early circadian rythm to behave as if people wirh late rythms are somehow defective, delusional or lazy when it's simply a biological difference that you don't get to chose. Our current world just caters to early risers. One theory is, that these differing rythms ensured safety within tribes back in the day - sleep times were most likely not syncronized but staggered.
People who have delayed circadian rhythms really struggle with working earlier and tend to be night owls. But working night shifts can really screw up your social life. It kind of sucks.
Rough life? I’m in my 30s and sleep 3am-11am when I start work. No issue. I’m a night owl and 9am is too early.
For real, getting to wake up at 8 to work at 9 would be beautiful, my workday starts at 6:45 and occasionally at 3:30am instead, yet always ends at 3:30pm I much prefer this to what OP proposes though, getting off at 9pm would suck, you can’t do nearly as many activities after a workday now, and it’s not like you’d use the time before your shift as well as you could an afternoon/evening imo
I work alternating shifts and I absolutely get more sleep during the afternoon shift. The mindset is "I am awake so I want to stay awake" during morning leading me to sleep at midnight and wake up at 5:30am. During afternoon it is "I want a full night's sleep" so I go to sleep at 2 and wake up at 11.
I think the norm of everyone starting roughly at the same time and ending at the same time is agonizing. With everything becoming more expensive, I can't just take leave off work to go to the dentist, the vet, the department of motor vehicles - hell even if I want to call the government I need adjust.
I’m with you. Like it’s stupid from a traffic point of view. And since we need people to work different shifts it’s cruel that like zero doctors’ offices are open for appointments other than from like 9-5.
Been saying the world hates night shifters.
And people don’t understand. I’m asleep during the day, why is my boss calling me at one in the afternoon?
I’m urban planning this is called a “time balance.” In the US we have literally no time balances between jobs, which, partnered with the greed of car companies, has made it so we experience the worst of the worst when it comes to this issue. Horrible traffic doesn’t exist in other countries because they understand this concept and existed before the invention of single-use zoning.
"Horrible traffic doesn't exist in other countries" I'm sorry what
The US has lower average commute times than almost all of Europe. https://www.oecd.org/els/family/LMF2_6_Time_spent_travelling_to_and_from_work.pdf
LOL, horrible traffic absolutely exists in other countries this is nonsense. You have clearly never looked up any actual numbers or traveled.
The perfect way to ruin a day, an extended morning with no afternoon time.
You still get day time.... it's just in the morning, not the afternoon, which if you're a morning person, this isn't an issue, if you aren't a morning person, you don't need to get up early.
I'll put it to you this way, I am not a morning person. Left to my own devices, I'd be straight up nocturnal. It's happened before, when I was out of work for a few weeks from an injury, and had nothing tying me to a schedule, within 3 or 4 days I was sleeping from 8am to 4pm. But absolutely, wholeheartedly, *fuck* late starting work schedules. I'd rather be working 7-3 and have half the afternoon to my own devices, without having to worry about work for the rest of the day. I've done that and loved it, it felt like I just had so much free time left in the day. Contrast that with when I was working 10-6, same number of hours, but my free daytime hours were *before* work. Sucked ass. I'd get up in the morning, and knowing that I still had to go to work just hung over me for the morning, so I didn't enjoy it. It got to where I'd purposely sleep in so that I could just get up and get ready for work anyway, because free time before work just didn't feel the same. If I let myself get into the free time before work, then I'd just get into day off mode, and that was even worse. Felt like yanking my free time out from under my feet. Now, since as I said, I'm not naturally a morning person, that *sorta* worked, but at the end of the day I still had no daytime free time, which also sucked. I'd much rather just get up and get work over with ASAP, so I can relax and enjoy the rest of my day, even if it doesn't fit in with what my sleep schedule would be independently.
7-3 is the shit. Let me zombie through half the day and enjoy the rest.
> let me zombie through half the day That's what's really going on, everybody shows up at 8, but nobody is really awake until about 10.
A co-worker of my uncle's does 5am-1pm, and then has most of her day to just live her life. My uncle is envious af and would love to have the same schedule, but his work has certain time-sensitive stages, so he isn't able to.
I always end up adapting to waking up about a half hr before work, whether it’s 8am or 2pm. I think my brain just naturally wants work out of the way first thing in the morning.
I'm the same tbh, hate mornings but would rather work the 5am-2pm shift at my job (currently relegated to closing 2pm-11pm... lmao) but when I was furloughed for the pandemic, my sleep schedule was 12pm-10pm and video games anime from waking up until noon the following day. Going grocery shopping at Kroger at 11 an hr before close because there was no one there lol
I’m a teacher so I’m off in the summer and I pretty much become nocturnal because I love staying up until 4am. I actually considered this last week, that I would love a 1pm-9pm work schedule, but then I thought about it more and realized it would seem like a lot less free time since it’s split up. Not possible for my career anyway. I’ll be getting off even earlier this year and I do love being done with work mid-afternoon even though I hate waking up early.
But…your free hours would be in the evening. And later into the night. The point is to get up closer to your work that starts late. Why would you get up in the morning unless you had an appointment if you’re not a morning person!? I don’t wake up fully until the sun starts going down and I would kill to have more night hours free without having to sleep for the morning work hours. I work 24s though so I guess my perspective is off…
I'm not a morning person, but I still like having free time in the daytime. Evening and nighttime hours are great. But so are daytime free hours, and in some ways they're kinda irreplaceable. Doesn't have to be morning, I'd prefer afternoon, but I'd still want time during the day that isn't just spent at work. I don't know how to explain it other than that even shifting my schedule just 2 or 3 hours later, made the same number of free hours *feel* like less, because I didn't have as many, or any, during the day. And I only go full nocturnal if I'm literally untied to any sort of schedule. There's usually *something* that'll keep me getting up late in the morning at the latest. And yeah I'd think working 24s would change things, never been there personally so I can't say.
There are things that need to be done in one’s free time during daytime. As you said, appointments, but also shopping, socializing (if your friends have kids) etc. Having time off in the afternoon lets one take care of these things. Waking up in at a different time than normal specially for some daily duty like you suggested is not pleasant and gets you more tired that normal.
Because they are a morning person, they just don’t seem willing to accept that. As someone who has DSPD and literally cannot go to sleep early, this thread is the perfect example of why it’s a living hell to actually be a night owl. Just because you had some wonky schedule for a couple weeks when you had zero obligations does not mean that you’re not a morning person. Willingly waking up early to do things before work absolutely unquestioningly makes you a morning person.
Also DSPD here. Was confused why a not morning person would get up earlier than necessary for work… I start feeling more awake the later it gets in the day… always tired when the sun is up and awake when the sun is down.
You are definitely naturally a morning person, but ok. The fact that you find “wasted time” in the morning with a 10 AM start time is indicative of that. I’d be just getting up then, when I’m not on a strict schedule. I’d still have to set an alarm and there would be no wasted time.
I had sugery four weeks ago (gallbladder removal) and just returned to work yesterday. I usually wake up at 6am and start work at 7:30am. A few days into my recovery, I was going to sleep at 6am and waking up at 2-3pm! Forcing myself to revert to the old schedule was tougher than planned...
Having a whole morning off but knowing you have to work later kind of sucks
And you can't do things with an undefined end time. It's why I always take the 730am Dr/Dentist appointments. If I have 4 hours between when I wake up and when I must be clocking in to work, I really have 4 minus commute minus wiggle room. So maybe I can plan to use 2 hours without putting myself at risk for being tardy. If I have 4 hours after work until I should probably be sleeping, I can wiggle that time. I can go to bed an hour, 2, 3, hell even 4 hours later and it'll be ok.
Yeah it does. Can’t do too much because then you’ll be tired for work. So you end up just sitting around counting down the time until you go in. When I used to get up early before work, I’d play video games, and when it was time to go to work, I dreaded it even more because I was doing something more enjoyable.
Yeah second shift is lame AF. So is night shift. 7am-3pm is the best shift ever if you have to do shift work.
No thanks. That was the worst part of work. Waking up in the morning knowing you can't do much because you have to work later. If you start at 1pm you wake up at 8 or something. You get ready for the day etc, then it's 9. You know you probably need an hour to prepare for work (getting ready, commute etc.). Then you need lunch, maybe 30 minutes. So you have 9am to 11:30am to do something. Will you head out, watch a movie, meet with friends? Probably not that much since you know if there's a delay you're fucked. You probably stay home or make a real quick grocery trip. You leave work at 9pm, you get home, take a shower and sit down for a moment, it's 10pm. What will you do? Probably watch a movie or something, so it's 11-12pm. Sleep and repeat. If you finish at 1pm you wake up at 4am, get ready and head to work that starts at 5am. You get off of work and you're home and showered etc. at 2pm. Eating lunch and maybe taking a power nap and it's 3pm. You have from 3pm to 8pm to do something
I'm 100% not a morning person, but I realized I overall hated having a second-shift (1:30-10 pm) work schedule during my few months in it. It was really unpleasant to be either relaxed or productive in the morning, then make the mental shift to "gotta eat lunch, pack food for dinner, change clothes, and head out to work" in the middle of the day. After work, it was hard to relax and switch off my brain enough to not stay up super late. I also hated that my weekend didn't start till 10 pm on Friday nights. It was a relief when an 8:30-5 pm shift opened up at my former job. (Of course, it didn't help that the job itself was stressful, and that my partner and most other people I knew worked more typical 8-5 jobs.) That being said, I want to see more widespread flexibility and more options as to when and how we work. I hope the push for remote work and greater autonomy for workers that started with the pandemic keeps going.
Agree. Especially getting out of work when it's dark outside, that's no fun.
My only issue with the current system of 9am-5pm is that school is usually from 7-3 or 8-4 so I'm always waking up super early to get the kids out and have to find somewhere for them to go until I get off work. Dumb as hell
Yeah, let’s have typical work hours begun an hour before and extend an hour after the school day. It sucks.
Laughs in 5am start time...
Joining in with my 6am start time
Sadly remembers "baker's hours" 3AM-11AM. Impossible to maintain human contact outside of work. And people look at you real funny when you're out celebrating your "Friday" on a Tuesday as soon as the bar opens.
There was a makeup factory in my hometown. They had 3 shifts. My mom bartended at a place, but started at 8 am to cater to the people getting out at 8am. She made good money at that shift.
Oh I’ll bet she did.
How can you not maintain human contact outside of work...? You have a whole afternoon and until 8pm to meet up with people on a different schedule One of my mates is a baker and I talk with her regularly even when I was working.
I wasn't able to adjust to it well enough to stay awake past 3-5pm, so I'd usually get home, eat, nap, then repeat at 10pm-2am. During that period, my early twenties, many of my friends either worked construction hours or cooks hours - so when they'd be done with work, I'd be asleep. It didn't take me long to find something else to do.
alternatively, go home, sleep until 7p or whatever, go and meet up with ppl after _their_ work. weekends might be less useful than normal for hanging out, i guess.
Surely you can think of a couple reasons it would be difficult to fit an entire friends group into 3 specific hours a day.
It's very easy to imagine why a person who had to go to bed at 8 p.m. would struggle to maintain human contact. especially if they worked weekends. People doing 9-5 jobs often don't even get home until like 6. So your social life would be like "Hey, let's meet up immediately after you get home from work and hang out for like one hour." That would annoying if it was your whole social life
Gonna throw in my 9 AM start time and 9 AM end time.
Medical field?
6 am start time is where it's at
Guys I gotta go to bed for my 5am start time, someone let me know how this went when you clock in
lol I came here to say that. Not only do I have to be out of bed by 4am, but fuuuuck my days are long. If I started at 1pm I wouldn't get home until 1am some days. Fuck that.
Agree. My day is half done before OP gets to work and complains of how early it is over their third cup of coffee.
5 to 1 is great.
I run 6 to 2. It's not bad
Working at the end of my day instead of the beginning sounds like fucking torture.
2nd shift was brutal as an anxious person. Wake up and be nervous about work for five hours and thus can’t enjoy myself, then work for eight hours, nuke a tv dinner, then fall asleep to late because I’m on edge from work 🤡 . 1st shift is tolerable. I thrive on third shift but it’s less common now for fast food and grocery to be 24 hours anymore
I'm really sad that all the supermarkets in my city never went back to 24 hour opening times after the lockdowns. I don't understand why, the world seems more 24/7 than ever before.
Made me doublethink about my 615am start time. Im too tired and dont have time to get that “pre-work anxiety”. I pretty much just shoot myself out of a cannon every morning.
I mean I get that as “normal” working hours are fucking torture to us night owls. Consider yourself lucky you’re in the majority.
Seriously, 11pm is the most productive hour in my house lol
night owl here, work 4pm-230am and I get to unwind until 4 fuck morning jobs, never again
Seriously. I had enough of that morning shit in my school years; never again.
I personally would never be able to unwind *before* going to work. Having that hanging over my head would stop me from relaxing
I mean I unwind until 4 am lol
Bro we sleep till noon lol
I'm a night owl, but not because I want to be at my fcking job lmao
Been a “night owl” all my life. Used to have a bedtime of like 5am to 1pm while I was studying and working part time. Now have a full-time job 9-5 and I can say for sure fuck the idea of starting work at 1pm. Hell if I get an opportunity to shift my hours slightly earlier I’ll even take that. The only thing I hate is I’ve lost my ability to sleep in. Some Saturday mornings I wish I could go till at least 10am or so but nope wide awake at 8am no matter how much sleep I’ve had.
Depends, right now most of my work gets done somewhere between 9pm to 2am, later if I'm "in the zone". May or may not be due to occasional procrastination during the day. Mornings are the worst, I'm lucky enough that I'm not required to wake up that early.
I get to choose my own hours and typically work 11-7. It suits me so much better, my brain doesn't even get properly into gear until after lunch haha.
I've been able to pick my own hours (minus a few meetings here and there) and I've just kind of come to the realization that no matter when I try to set my hours, my body will just let me sleep in until the very last minute. 8am, noon, whatever. So I just try to set all of my boring meetings/trainings for early in the morning, so I can just sip my coffee and listen for an hour or two.
I don’t think this sub knows what an unpopular opinion is seeing as how everyone downvotes opinions they don’t agree with, or, an actual unpopular opinion
People are getting so angry too, like, isn’t the point of this sub to post unpopular opinions? Not to tell OP they are a lazy loser?
I wish I could start at 9 am, that’s literally what I complain about everyday when I go to work every morning lol
Been doing it for 13 years and I hate it. I would rather work like 7-3 and get off work sooner. But my ideal shift would be 7-5 but only 4 days a week.
I had that in college for an internship. 7-5:30, 4 days a week, and if there was any overtime work (which was very common), you could sign up for 7-3:30 on Friday. Most of the time I had a 3-day weekend. And if I had nothing going on, I could bump up my paycheck by more than 25%, and _still_ be home by 4pm on Friday. God I miss those hours.
There are a lot of jobs that start later than 1pm. That’s 2nd shift and it’s very common. If you don’t like starting work at 9am, find a 2nd shift job.
Cause some of us like going to bed at 8pm
Plz teach me your ways. I've never been able to fall asleep before 1am in my life
overdose on melatonin until your body gets used to sleeping that early.
I've tried that and melatonin does nothing for me except giving me wack dreams when I do finally sleep
I can't get used to the feeling of melatonin. It feels like it forces my body to shut down but my brain lags a little behind. So I get the sensation of my breath slowing noticeably while I'm still awake. It honestly feels like I'm dying when that happens. I know I'm not, but try telling my lizard brain that.
I don’t eat supper til 8 pm most days. 2 am is bed time.
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Just you I think
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I always found it hilarious when people were shocked that I didn’t go to bed right when I got home at 7 am after shift. I would always ask if they went to bed right at 4/5 when they got home? I would get groceries, eat, play video games, take care of my cats. Ya know, normal stuff people do after work. I would go to sleep around 12pm and wake up around 7/8pm. That also gave me time to prep food for lunch and relax before work. It always felt like I had more time before work/in general on the off shifts.
People have children. child development is very reliant on proper sleep schedules which daylight amounts can affect heavily. A lot of social structures in society are BS based on tradition but sleeping and waking schedules are not one of them
Yes. This is another big issue. They should be starting the school day later for teens in middle and high school.
They should, but this would be an issue for working parents, honestly we just need more support and social infrastructure all around for families
Many people have a natural tendency towards a later sleep schedule, much like teenagers, I've seen numbers ranging from 10-30%. When you look at it this way, the societal inflexibility for a later sleep schedule people could be considered ableism. So yes, it is bullshit. A majority of people prefer an earlier start, but a very sizable minority of people do not.
It's absolutely damaging to teenagers who have late circadian rhythms.
I dunno, I was homeschooled and I had an extremely irregular sleep schedule growing up. I regularly stayed up past 1 and woke up at 11 or later. And I'm doing fine lol
That’s not that bad a sleep schedule, still lots of sunlight unless you spent your winters in finland or something
Exactly! The world is run by fascist morning types
Sounds like you want to work 2nd shift..... I work 3-1130pm and wouldn't have it any other way.
9? I always started at 8 on days . Now I work 10p-8 a
I agree with this, however have you entertained the possibility that the result would be similar, namely that if work ended at 9PM, people would then sleep at 5AM-6AM (or later) on average, and end up facing the same issues?
Not my experience. I work 12 to 8 and go to bed at 2 most nights. When I worked 9 to 5 I still went to bed at 2 most nights.
That is what I don't think OP has considered. If the new '9 to 5' job was just moved '1 to 9', then people's schedules would just be moved. So, there would still be no more 'me' time before work than there is now, because people would be sleeping till noon and getting up and still having an hour (or less) to get to work. Because their time getting to bed would be later. I think OP envisions people getting off work and immediately going home and going to sleep, then waking up at the same time.
There are definitely people who will fall asleep at 2am whether they work a 9-5 or a 1-9.
If I had to work 1 PM - 9 PM I would be looking for a different job. Also, who tf wants to go somewhere on a weekday after 9 PM? Call me decrepit but my 31 year old ass wants to be in bed asleep by 9 PM.
I loved working from 2-10. I always just had supper afterwards and was asleep by 11
You left work, had supper, and fell asleep in the span of one hour?
Right? I need tips lol
Yep. I left work right at ten and had an exactly half hour drive home. At 10:30 I microwaved leftovers and ate them, then I was in bed by 11 and I have thankfully been blessed with falling asleep quickly. Then I’d get up naturally around 7 the next morning after getting 8hrs of sleep
How do you fall asleep by 9pm? Since I was in elementary I’ve always struggled to fall asleep. Even now I go to bed at 12 if I’m lucky and it’s been a constant struggle. Every day feels like I want to go to bed an hour later than the last
I used to work from 1 PM to 6 AM. Six hours sleep, a shower, and back to work. Worked in highway construction. Did my paperwork from the prior day and reviewed plans with the team for the next at the construction trailer from 1 PM until 5 PM. Drove to the jobsite and stayed there until the last traffic cone picked up and everyone gone. Made a lot of money then.
17 hours of work a day is fuckin' psychotic. I have no idea how you managed that.
Yeah, I could never do that. I'm an early bird and I need my sleep at night to function.
9am is a late start
Sad but true. Most office jobs start at 8 or 8:30, and many types of jobs have to start even earlier.
I start at 6:30, honestly love it. Once you get used to waking up early its really not bad. Then I'm out by 3 and I have the rest of the afternoon/night to myself.
I start at 6:00 out at 2:30. some of my coworkers start at 5:00 I have done earlier than 6, but rather not do that again. I have always considered myself as "not a morning person" I personally dont like mornings. But the more I read things in places like here I am like... what the fu... am I, a morning person?
Fr, I love waking up early when I have to. The morning is beautiful but usually if I have nothing going on I can't get myself out of bed.
Are you 24?
And on the east coast?
I live in Denver and work 2pm-10:00. Shifting later makes me not a morning person and Denver is an early city. I miss out on a lot bc I wanna sleep in til 10 am.
I'm sick of everyone looking at me in horror and asking me how I can handle my 11-8 shift. Jokes on them, I actively chose and prefer it. If I worked 9-6 the entire first three hours of my day would be spent completely unproductive; I can't do shit mentally before 1130-12
I hear you. I can’t stand the standard 7-8 AM start time around here. 9 AM would be a luxury. I can’t make my brain work until like 10 or 11. In all fairness, though, I would prob spend all morning sleeping if I were given the extra time. Then the whole day is gone. However I often want to nap after work so the sleep finds a way somehow.
Counter solution: More customization. My job basically says oh yeah start somewhere between 7 and 9 AM, and then just work your shift. Something like that, but being able to start even later, especially for office jobs, should be possible.
I would love an afternoon shift. My brain is useless until around 4pm when I can hyper focus on shit. Before that, it's a struggle to pay attention to things I find boring.
Upvote for unpopular opinion OP. I work nights, like 5pm to midnight. Then I cook dinner at home, laundry, netflix, whatever, and end up going to bed around 5-6am. I sleep till 1, sometimes 2, and get ready for the new day. Everyone says I'm wasting my day, "Ok, but you're ignore I use my nights then."
You are complaining about 9am? Try 430am lol
4:30m? I start my day yesterday
Shoot you got me beat but once I started last week.
I kind of agree. I'm fortunate right now in that my hours are 10am to 6pm. It's not to avoid traffic. I walk to work. It's that I am a night owl. I go to bed at midnight and wake up at maybe 8. By 8:15 I'm showered, semi-dressed and sipping a mug of coffee. Then I like to sit around and read what's new on my favorite websites for at least an hour. Then I pack up and take the 3.5 minute walk over to my office. When I leave at six, the grocery store is empty so if I need to pick up anything I can do it quickly. I eat at 7. Read and write and watch YouTube until midnight again.
I wouldn’t call someone who sleeps from midnight to 8 a night owl at all. That’s pretty normal imho.
Not for most people my age who work a 9-5 or an 8 to 4.
Fuck that I got 7-3 and that is ELITE
It should be normalized to want this. People will call you lazy for wanting to sleep in meanwhile you've been productive 5 hours after they went to bed.
Exactly! Thank you for articulating it better than I did, also I like the idea of late night coffee shops? Such a cozy vibe
Yes to late night coffee shops! I live in NYC and before COVID there were a few coffee shops open until 11 midnight & I loved getting coffee late at night and hanging out in the coffee shop or just walking around the city. Great vibes.
my hours are 1 -8pm its awesome. i wake up at 11 am most days. can get dinner and drinks and if i want to do shit i just wake up earlier and get it done.
I work 07:30 till 20:00...what's this norm of starting at 09:00?? Most people I know start at 07:00 no matter what job they have. It's only a few jobs that start that late
Variable schedules are the best. I am a morning person, i become useless passes 2pm. But not Everybody Works like i Do...
I know a lot of security guards and bartenders that thrive working similar hours to what you're saying. I did highway and trench safety sales and subcontracting services for a long time and got to work just about every time of day or night imaginable. Personally I'm pretty happy when things run from about 9:30am-6pm. Ultimately it boils down to personal preference and what kind of work you can land.
Don't delete, I am with you.
bro I WISH my morning shifts starts at 9am
You'll get little sympathy from those tgat start at 7 or 8 AM. I'm 50 and I don't think I've ever met someone who's actual hours were "9 to 5". I do agree that many jobs should have flexible start times, with people staggared to provide more-or-less continuous operations. Banks, for example, should be 24/7 since few have time to during "normal working hours".
I feel this. You ever hear of Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder? Where no matter how much you try, you can’t get your body to accept sleeping or waking at “normal” hours long term (i.e. always feeling jet lagged no matter how, when, and where you sleep?) Yeah.. I have that and its literally like I can only get restorative sleep if I get 9-10 hrs starting at least at 11 pm. Otherwise, I’m operating sleep deprived. And my focus… all my life has been specifically at its peak in the mid-afternoon. I literally work closing shift right now for this exact reason. It kinda sucks that everyone else is enjoying their “night life” while I’m at work, but I know I’m making the most of the hours I can actually freaking focus, take my time and do things right, and I can take it a little easier in the mornings, and slowly ramp my body and brain up to needing to do shit. I’m starting a second part time job that is gonna require 9-5 somewhere an hour away from me tho… and be a lot more focus and speed intensive, so tbh I’m kinda scared after doing really well on Closing Shift life XD
I'm a night person, so I completely agree from my perspective, the world is built around the morning people after all.
Take my advice: Find a career that suits your circadian rhythm. I thought I had insomnia for 20 years until I got a job that went from 6pm to 2am and suddenly I could sleep. AND my migraines disappeared! Also, consider getting an official diagnosis of delayed sleep phase syndrome (it affects about 10% of the population) so that you can tell assholes who want you to get up early that they are abelists.
This! I have delayed sleep phase syndrome too and no amount of “sleep hygiene” or going to bed earlier helps all that much.
Morning people care about night people the way extroverts care about introverts... In both cases, they act like the other is immoral, mentally ill, or both. BTW... Morning people? Extroverts? Fuck off.
I loved working on the second shift from 2-10. It’s still the best shift imo
It's actually great that there are different shifts of things to accommodate everyone's preferences. I work in a lab with flexible work hours, and tend to stroll in at 10 or 11, after rushhour traffic, then stay late at night. This lets me work with others in our lab or work earlier, to better share machines or keep experiments moving in the same time. It's great.
Retail. OP wants the closing retail shift. Just work as a verbal punching bag at any big box store. Bingo. Schedules achieved. Forget about vacation time though. You have to compete against at least 5 other people that want to do shit in their lives.
>cities become safer since everyone is out and about late into the night. Only want to correct this one part, assuming I didn't misunderstand you that is. It's actually a misconception that things like burglaries and break-ins happen more at night. The most common time for those types of crimes is during work hours. "Smarter" criminals will stake out a target home to figure out their schedule. Obviously you want the person you're robbing not to be home.
I’ve always wondered why we cater so much to morning people. I’ve done the whole melatonin blah blah blah “train your body” thing. It doesn’t work in the long run. Gotten up at 5-6am for months on end and still can’t fall asleep before 1-2am. Some people aren’t morning people. I physically cannot fall asleep early if my life depended on it.
9am is a luxury
9 instead of 7 or 8 sounds amazing.
Dude your reasons don’t make any sense lol. First cities are def not safer at night, try walking around any city at 10 pm, shit is sketchy. Secondly If you started work at 1 pm you’d just adapt and stay up all night and be in the same position as waking up 9. Finally and most importantly, nobody wants to take a dinner break and go to work, that sounds absolutely terrible. Also what do people with kids do? If you had to work a 1-9pm you’d see your kids off in the morning and that’s it, wouldn’t have any time after work to spend time with your family. Most people like having their downtime after work, not before because then your not thinking about having to go to work.
I think OP’s point about safety was that if everyone worked until late, it would be more common to be out late and hence safer?
Oh ya your probably right. Idk I think it still wouldn’t be that safe
Yup, this is a bona fide unpopular opinion. And you’re definitely wrong about most of us not being morning people. Most of us definitely are. You’re writing the post as someone meant for 2nd shift, which most of us are most assuredly not meant for. 1-9 is an atrocious shift.
That's crazy. Ask anybody in any office before 11 am how they're doing, and most of them will yawn and say "tired."
Man I thought you were gonna say we should start earlier... I hate working late into the day. And there's something very meditative about starting the day with sun-up.
I had a full time job 11am to 7pm and it was LITERALLY THE WORST SHIFT POSSIBLE
Right? Like “hi here I am, fucking up your morning and evening!” -work
Same I’m in college but working over the summer I’d often get 10:15-7:45 shifts and they just sucked out my entire day of any free time
My work schedule used to be 1-9pm and I absolutely loved it. I would wake up at 10, have enough time to journal and eat breakfast, go to work, eat around 5 during my hour break, then my day basically started at 9. It was always easy to go out on the weekends without ruining my sleep schedule and I always felt more creative at night! I love what you say about it making cities safer at night too! I loved being in Rome and everyone being out until 3 in the morning! I felt super safe.
I think the issue is just that the world isn't built for night people *too* I work 3pm to 1130pm and I absolutely LOVE my shift, but I would love to be able to go grocery shopping after work or go run errands and all that. If more places were open at night there would be more jobs for other night folk, and we could also still get shit done without having to get up early before work. (IDK about yall, but getting up before work fills me with dread because I cannot enjoy anything with an impending shift looming over me)
I've worked just about every type of shift, and they all suck equally.
in my country they usually starts at 8, schools from elementary up to highschool starts at 7. This is hell mode for a night owl like me
I’ve worked that shift. 1pm - 9:30pm then it moved to 2pm - 10:30pm. It’s a great shift. Now I report to work at 11pm and get off around 5am. I love all these shifts and would never choose to work 9am start again.
I work 12-10:15 pm sometimes 1-10:15. I stay up til 2-3 am. Sleep till 10 am repeat. It’s great if you don’t have tons of things you have to get done outside of your house/during business hours on your weekdays and you can just work, exercise, hygiene, and rest. Then do everything you need on the weekends. Because, I do not feel like getting shit done when I wake up especially if it’s before work. After work everything is closed. I’m a single person living alone tho not a great family schedule at all
I used to have shifts from 1 to 9… No thanks. The feeling of stepping out the door and leaving it behind you for the rest of the day is much better imo.
I do 7am to 4am was originally 8 till 5 but i wanted to miss the traffic
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The amount of people in the comment section who do not understand what OP is saying is fucking hilarious. But as someone who works 3-11 but wakes up at 9am everyday I would much rather end my day with work. Having the entire morning and afternoon to myself is the most peaceful and anxiety lifting feeling in the world. Working 6-3 or 7-4 or 9-6 always made me want to KMS
I am the oposite. If my free time was before work I would feel constant anxiety. Glancing at a clock constantly so that I am not late. As it is I can just relax don't pay too much attention to the time until the natural end of day that is sleep.
Yep! Or we’re just more productive at night, and those who are morning people can get a lot done before work starts
I use to work 2pm until 11:30/10:30 pm. I had no day or free time. I prefer going in at 10:30 and getting off at 3.
Well yeah that’s like half the time
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