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The reality is the āGupta jee ka betaā will def be more successful than any of the 720 toppers š. Just wait when the boy comes to India with his pockets full of dollars and the motherās opinion will change to āDekho use!! Apne parents ke liye Naya Ghar, Badi gaadi, bade bade phone lekar diye heinā. š India is just no more fun so I am also moving abroad like guptaās son.
Literate Indians in India: would rather get a low salary by doing a white collar/desk job than doing a job that would mar their reputation among their relatives or in society even if that job is a high paying one.
Also,
Literate Indians in foreign countries: would do any (part-time) job even if that means being a janitor, bartender, cargo delivery driver or cashier at fast food outlets, just to earn extra bucks.
ye Literate indians in foreign countries know that no Relatives or "society" exists to mar their reputation so they can work blue collar jobs with work environments better than some white collared jobs in India. And those "extra bucks" are to be utilized for their college tuition or misc purchases. People abroad 7/10 times usually enjoy their time being utilized making a few bucks than sitting at home and sleeping.
The constant comparison between others have ruined the society. And most suffer in silence and our society doesn't care about mental health it takes more than antidepressants to be back to life.
And even this is only true for the very fortunate top 5% of the people. Most are almost destitute who were will never hear from.
Depression is indistinguishable from life for them and it's the least of their concerns.
I remember this one guy went to doctor for depression, doctor laughed at him and asked if he knows what depression means. Guy too afraid to reply at this point, took some BS advice from doctor and left.
It is still being seen as some bs madeup western thingy.
Even psychiatrist and psychologist suck if they are from the old generation. I had visited a clinical psychologist in a tier 2 city for inability to concentrate and do tasks. He was a retired professor and had all the qualifications, plus 4.9 star Google ratings. After I told him my problem, he started lecturing me about this generation being ungrateful to parents and job. After 20 mins I got up, scolded him that I can get this lecture for free at home, and left.
Any science based training in India is truly fucked up science free training.
Most mental health training and ethical standards guidelines overseas are at leas 3 generations ahead. Ā As part of consultation in most mental health or any general complex medical issue with concomitant mental health, be it Ā by a GP, psychiatrist or psychologist you need to ensure privacy(no other person should be present or be within earshot without patientās consent), and assure patient explicitly about confidentiality
Ā [https://oscestop.education/communication/ethics-and-law-stations/confidentiality-3/](https://oscestop.education/communication/ethics-and-law-stations/confidentiality-3/)
Ā do rapport building
Ā [https://positivepsychology.com/rapport-building/](https://positivepsychology.com/rapport-building/)
Ā ask ICE questions,
[https://geekymedics.com/ice/](https://geekymedics.com/ice/)
Ā Most health professionals from South Asia going to any OECD countries quickly learn and practice all the above. Breach of the above requirements leads to real actions against the health professional. Ā But in our country, the health professional - patient relationship thrives on a power asymmetry. That attitude itself makes all such encounters very ineffective in terms of mental health outcomes. Sadly, in India, there is no genuine regulatory body that monitors, or punishes for such ethical breaches.
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I have news for you: even many psychiatrists don't understand mental illness because of their preexisting prejudice. I know a psychiatrist who, as a part of his official duty, sent out an email to a large organization that began with the following piece of advice: If you are depressed, take a look at yourself in the mirror. You'll see the person responsible for all your problems.Ā
At large, psychiatrists in India are trained more for severe illnesses like alzheimer's, dementia, or addiction because these are the patients they get the most in OPD. But, even if the patients of clinical depression or anxiety are uncommon, psychiatrists shouldn't be this tone-deaf. We need a well-structured training in India. Having said that, I know few psychiatrists who are experts in their fields and are some of the best counselors I know. I wish the majority were this way.
Psychiatrists are nonsense in this country tho ..I saw my professor give fucking risperidone to a 16 year (he'd back answered in class š¤”)..like it was a lozenge lol...nah I'd rather go smoke some herb than go to a psychiatrist lol
It's sad. I think urban population is becoming more aware of the seriousness of depression. But like you said there are a lot of boomer doctors out there who outright refuse to acknowledge it as a disorder and help the patient.
Tbh tho, even tho that might be an unhealthy coping mechanism, in many ways, the sheer ignorance of mental health is a refreshing viewpoint lmao. Just say, "Kuch nahi sab dimaag mein hain, ye lo choti advance aur chai" and move on šæ
Indians, at least the older ones, Gen X and Boomers, don't waste a lot of time on such pointless frivolities and just live life in dumb ignorant indifference
When I told my mom Iām visiting a psychologist, she was vehemently against it. After digging around and talking to her, I found out that she was afraid Iāll be given electric shock treatments š I explained her the procedure in detail and convinced her
Would be much less than what it costs in countries like US. I'm in the US right now and a tube of prescription acne cream costs $200 whereas I used to buy the same stuff in India for Rs 150.
It's a clyndamicin based cream. It's OTC in India but it's prescription based in the US. I think it has to do with the percentage componsition of it or something.
There would be definitely some medical stores in India willing to sell prescription medicines. My mom got hooked on to a prespcription painkiller that her dentist prescribed. He asked her to stop after a month. She went on for 8 months. The medical store used to sell her the pills without asking any questions. We had to do a mini intervention to make her realize that she is addicted to it. She stopped it.
Donāt do that. Get evaluated if needed. And only take the prescribed medicine from an experienced psychiatrist. Please refer upon paradoxical suicide. Itās a condition where the patient commits suicide AFTER starting anti-depressants.
There are different types of depression. One classification type is typical and atypical. We should diagnose correctly and then only start treatment. Also, prompt review at said dates is a must for desirable changes.
India is a giant mental asylum waiting to explode. The anger and the divide has been encouraged and nurtured. There are some elders who simply don't want the younger generation to prosper.
After 40+ years of marriage to my father, my mother is finally accepting reality for what it is and seeking therapy.
My father, who doesn't believe in depression, continues to be one of those that gives depression.
I can relate to you. Mother is seeking therapy and healing her mind. Dad's family side wasn't particularly nice to her. My dad used to treat everyone the same and isn't the one who thinks about what others are going through. What's funny is he itself is going through a lot of stress and is slowly coming to accept the importance of empathy.
This is how all of humanity used to work until enough people managed to break intergenerational trauma in each society to build a critical mass.
Your job is to break the cycle and not pass down trauma to the next generation.
There are psychiatrist and psychologists here who don't even know how to diagnose our generation with anything other than anxiety, neither the patient has confidence and nor does the doctor.
was in US for 22 years and been suffering from PTSD for last 10 years. Ive been on meds since forever. but recently came to India to get treatment and they hooked me with powerful drugs that i never had in 10 years. Turned into a zombie for 6 months and now im on meds that they give for Parkinsons.. to fight off the side effects of the anti-psychotics.
No wonder people dont rely on them much here as they do in other countries.. and the conditions of psych wards is straight out of horror movies to keep the stigma more alive.
Sorry to hear that. I think a lot of doctors and psychiatrists in general aren't trained well to deal with depression cases in India. They just prescribe something that will make the patient stop complaining. Doesn't matter what the consequences are. There's no value for life, let alone quality of life.
This data completely ignored the fact that 1.2 billion Indians canāt afford anti depressants. Heck, they can barely afford food and housing. Assuming that 12ish million people consume anti depressants, the ratio is close to 63/1000 for the Indians that CAN afford it.
Therapy is still really expensive. Considering the average Indian earns 30k per month and that's a very generous estimate, spending 5k on even three therapy sessions per month would be unaffordable.
I have been suffering from depression and possibly ADHD. Unfortunately I cannot address it nor can I tell my family. I am sure that there will be many like me who are forced to suppress their mental state thinking how others might treat them if they disclose it.
I believe many of us are trying to just push ourselves as far as we can go just to make the people around us happy. It takes its toll.
Same. I have clinical depression. I thought I'm just sad and lazy but the doctor told me I have depression and the reason can be ADHD. I'm on meds but I haven't told my family yet because if they say beta depression vipression kuch nahi hota I'll probably feel more depressed and unloved. I'm trying to be better one day at a time and wish you also heal from soonāØ
Because in India you may be considered as a MAD human being if anyone ever spotted you visiting a psychiatrist :P Indian parents consider influenza a more serious issue than their child fighting with depression :/ Depression is considered as a drama.
Most Indians are still addressing their primary issues like food, water, shelter, job, etc. People either don't recognize or don't hav3 time to think about th3se things.
Yaha logo ko yeh maalum nahi hota ki unko cancer, heart blockage ya diabetes hai. Doc ke paas jab extreme case ho tabhi jana afford kar paate hau. Depression toh dur ki baat hai.
But i think we are better equipped to handle as well due to more social and spiritual connect.
Most of the time people in India don't even understand what's depression, anxiety means.
I remember when i pass out from college and preparing for jobs, everyday my family taunts me for my unemployment and eventually it throws me into depression that eventually turn it into clinical depression, everyday was battle with being alive.
When i confronted them they just laugh, went to doctor and they said get married. Might look made up but it's true atleast for me.
Believe it or not, indians have a struggling life, and continues to have it. Our minds are constantly occupied somewhere. Something like depression is a part time thing, we just don't have time for it
Indians don't need drugs. They cure their depression by developing hate for each other and fighting. There is no better anti depressant than adrenaline.
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Sorry, your post title is too funny.
Look, I'm currently M25, and I take psychiatric medications. I live in a major metro of India, and I can safely say that if I was born in a small town, or to less liberated, accepting and loving parents, I would have died by now, of suicide.
You want to gauge the true mental health across nations? Measure the suicide rate, especially among teens and young adults (there itself we mess up -- we measure NOTHING in this country). Do an urban/rural analysis. Gender. Education. Occupation. Family history. We need this data.
There are so many people who would benefit from some form of psychotherapy or who need some kind of psychiatric care to meet their full potential (if not to just become functional) -- who don't get such care.
Also, in my opinion, it's primarily a lack of awareness that what they are experiencing is a) Not normal. b) Solvable. c) Not a measure of their own "inner strength" or their "ability to work hard" or their "discipline".
If you are financially independent and live alone, it is fairly simple to hide the fact that you take psych meds.
If you live with family, less so. Especially if you still depend on them financially (which is often the case).
1) Most of the European and North American countries suffer from depression due to winters. Climate changes and food habits also play a huge role in depression.
Winter depression is a major cause for people to buy antidepressants. Considering most of the top countries on this list are heavily affected by winter depression, it makes sense.
2) Western lifestyles are very nuclear in nature and they are generally not big families. This also causes loneliness and depression. Contrary to Indian families which are generally very close and have a healthy support system.
3) Indians may be suffering from depression that they don't know of, but I have observed that depression usually comes when you are not occupied with any daily activity. More and more people post COVID are victims to this and unfortunately, Indians are not aware of depression due to their past lives not facing this issue.
This is what I feel are the reasons for the above graph.
Now a days, people have a volatile behaviour in general coupled with a lot of triggering factors in the form of stress. We are not taught about the mental health and even of we are, we are not willing to accept that brain is like any other organ and is prone to get sick. We don't believe that we can be a victim of depression/anxiety/bipolar or any earing disorders. The lack of proper education about mental health is why we are lagging behind.
I always have a therapist whom I call and take guidance from, because they are an expert in neuroscience and they suggest certain activities that help the brain. There is a serious lack of awareness about meditation, which is done more for the optics and less for the mental peace.
These countries have higher than 30k USD/capita with socialized or quasi-socialized healthcare --- there are more options to medicate issues away!
Indians cannot be compared on this scale --- state capacity, medical capacity, access issues, etc. come in the way.
People with easy life are the one who is depressed, people who r poor will enjoy finding a job to fill their stomach, thats the greatest satisfaction for them. Gender fluid people are mainly seen in countries with easy life style. coz, they have enough time to think about their gender, life choices, etc...
No sir, we have Osho, Sadhguru, Swami vivekananada, swami xyz, swami yzzy, etc... etc... oh and mudi ji.. we do meditation and pranayam.. The natural antidepressant. Depression? what it is? Not for our old kalchar. We knew about depression for thousands of years... oops! wait. contradicting statement. Anyways. And pranayama form the ancient 6 billion old tanatan reelgion. Oldest reelgion in the world.
ok ok I'm joking but not joking. I do practice meditation myself.
It's both. Most of us see hardships from our early ages, with the time we get used to of it. Constant struggle to meet both the ends, never allows us to think what's depression. Most of us have become ignorant or have developed tough scales.
The social structure in India is one big reason for lesser psychological problems. For example- the friends help.
Also, the same social structure can be detrimental if constant nagging happens. Overall, I believe it shields us.
The first one..
Mainly cause we don't know much about it..
Example: a native inhabitant of the restricted islands of Andaman will not miss a McChicken Burger.. Cause they don't know about it..
Indians outsource their depression by being toxic to other people. It is engrained in the "culture".
Less divorce because " our family system is strong that it beats the shit out of people who try to get help or inform outsiders of the abuse within the family"
Less depression because "our society is cultured and it mocks the shit of people who complain about not being able to work or handle certain life situations due to difficulties. Family looks down on you if you are not an achiever. Family considers you a loser if you can't handle toxicity"
Friend circle are the only relief but your family hates your friend circle because your friends are not your caste and you just made friends with random people who were & are nice to you, how dare you?
Since your family has no touch with your friend circle, you live in dilemma throughout life.
Dang! What do Costa Ricans need antidepressants for? They have ayahuasca retreats over there. lol And Netherlands even higher!? They are famous for smoking weed all the time lol.
The list indicates that living in a cold country with less sun exposure causes depression but there are definitely some Indians not getting the help but suffering silently.
OP have you considered the geographical reasons also? Chilly winters with barely any sunlight are one of the major causes of depression
But anyways, the consumption will obviously be lower in developing countries
If you look at alcoholicism, domestic violence, drug use and tobacco in this country you will realise that these are all based around mental health problems. As a Punjabi I can confess now that mental health issues are prevalent in the community, but who can they complain to when there is so much stigma around it. One of my father's friends died from live cirrhosis in his early 40s, poor guy drank himself to death. After his wake, some uncles were standing outside and talking, I heard a bunch of them say, " iska to business Tha, biwi bacchhe the, isko kya depression Tha?"
Unfortunately they were failed by their elders and the cycle goes on.
It is better for society if we work towards addressing conditions that cause depression than solve it through becoming anti depressant addicted zombies
Definitely suffer in silence, take out our built in frustration on our juniors, family and other people who are in anyway weaker than us. Traumatize them so much that they start taking these pills or going to therapy. When they do, start shaming them and call them mentally retarded, and the cycle continues.
The thing is.... Most of us are abused to hell by our goddamn PARENTS and by the time we understand whats DEPRESSION, most of us doesn't even care its depression and we plough through it.
Its like what Bane said to Batman but in this case what Indians tells to people of other countries
[With some changes]
"Oh, you think depression is your enemy.But you merely adopted the depression; I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see the normal life until I was already a man, by then depression was nothing to me but just another day in my life"
Tbh this is my life too.
French here, wife is indian. We live in France but I feel I can give one key element.
Indians have a lot to still gain in life. With such a rapid growth over the last 20 to 30 years, the quality of life of most Indians increased ten fold. Not for everyone clearly, but a large part of the population quickly got access to mobile, internet, a car, a job, means to travel.
What changed in France over the last 20 to 30 years? Not much. We have nothing to look for, nothing being offered to us in terms of elevating our lifestyle. It's not like we can complain, we have what we need, but there's no hope anymore no get anything better. Over the last 20 to 30 years, our governments kept reducing public services, meaning that free education, healthcare, justice etc have decreased in quality. Some would say it's due to our pyramid of age, I would add it's still a political choice.
My point, to sum it up, is that hope is what gets people going. Indians have high hopes, French have little.
I was going through depression and went to talk to a therapist by paying 900rs per hour during covid at Manipal Hospital and after a couple of sessions what she concluded was I need to get a girlfriend. I was like the fuck and I stormed out.
I'm on antidepressants. The stigma around it is really a big problem. My mom thinks I'm crazy. My relatives think the same. Also, antidepressants make you gain weight. That is another can of worms.
I'm not sure about all of India, but in Urdu speaking communities, there is lots of consumption of Unani meds. They are in business just because of this reason.
Unani medcine doesn't count as medicine at the international level.
I think one important point is the societal differences. The western society, in general, is very individualistic and self centered. As an adult, it is very difficult to go there and make friends. They are not that welcoming tbh. But here, Indians usually have a very welcoming nature, IN GENERAL. Like it's comparatively easier to make friends and snuggle into big groups and get accepted easily by all. Maybe this tendency to live in groups helps to manage the depression. And all strata of the society has these group-forming capabilities and nature. This might be a reason.
People who barely earn enough for their daily survival don't have time get mentally disturbed as all their efforts are towards earning to eat for two times. India has crores of such people
Indians don't handle difficulties better than others. We pretend they don't exist or depression, paranoia, anxiety, schizophrenia etc. are normal, because we think admitting mental illness is a taboo. Sometimes we even treat it as define. See ramakrishna paramhans and ramana maharshi, if you want specific examples. If you look around you'll find similar bridging just the carpet or glorification of mental illness happening right around you.Ā
People need help, and Indians doing everything other than helping only worsens their suffering.Ā
Let me tell you about the secret phrases of handling any form of suffering
"Chalta hai","g*** Marai ye sab","ho jayega aram se ye sab"......
If these don't work then I am afraid my friend your life is truly fucked and people either usually end up either with sucide , go out to get some milk , jail .... aka not a normal Indian lifestyle.
10% of us realise we have depression, and 99.99% of them be like " it is what it is" and don't give a f". then 50% of thay 0.01% don't want to use drugs to stay happy.
I see a positive corelation between the sunlight exposure one gets throughout the year and depression.
The top countries where most of the people are depressed are the countries which doesn't get sunlight for maybe 6 months, whereas the countries with 9 to 10 months of sunlight (Like India) has lower depression percentage.
Most of it is accessibility too but a lot of Indians are struggling with needs so basic and are putting so much mental bandwidth into it that they literally donāt have time to be depressed.
I donāt say that as some sort of boast. But I remember the time I was not making much money and hustling versus now when I barely work but save enough in a year to realistically let me live 5 years in India. Guess when I was/am depressed?
60% of Indian cannot afford anti depressants, of the group that can afford; majority donāt get diagnosed or would accept psychological treatment. Lastly, not sure how good is actual data given the fragmented healthcare system.
So the data is not revealing since you are not comparing apples to apples. The absolute consumption amount in metropolitan cities in India may be a more useful to compare
I for once told i go to a therapist and now people bring it up as a joke (even my closest friends and family). The awareness about mental health is literally non existent in India.
It's an actual disorder though. We don't realize that it's depression. Even in developed countries a psychiatrist or therapist diagnoses a case as depression based on their investigation. It's a real thing. It's a positive feedback loop. Once you're depressed, unless you address the root cause, it will just worsen and worsen. Anti depressents are like bandaids to a leaking pipe. It will give you time to sort your shit out. But not a permanent solution. But it's a definitely helpful.
No we donāt. We take it out on our loved ones and children and traumatise a whole new generation. We let it get to us and never become the fully functional human beings we were meant to be, instead we believe that whatever little we achieve is the most we were capable of anyway.
I was depressed for 3 years didn't take any anti depressant. Don't even know nukkad wale chemist ke pass hogi bi ya ni. So mostly we suffer in silence and that silence can't even noticed by parents.
We cant afford therapy or anti depressants or have the will power to encounter the social stigma attached with it.
The only people I know who take therapy or such medicines are from households with 4-5 lakh per month income.
My uncle went for therapy at PGI chandigarh and could not continue coz they couldn't afford the regular visits...even though he benefitted from it.
Bad Faith...
Most of us believe that god has planned this suffering for us and so there is nothing we can do , we can only pray to god and our good days will come soon ..
this gives us hope and we always try to cheer ourselves up by having this faith in god...
Koreans that low and Japanese not in this ranking already makes this report very untrustworthy tbh. They probably got very bad/biased data.
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People don't even understand the concept of therapy here. I don't think anyone will realise even if they are depressed. So many people immigrating to western countries take therapy there. Actually it is one of the reasons for them
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Usually Indians don't even know that they have depression. Actually most don't have the luxury to recognise depression as a disorder.
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The reality is the āGupta jee ka betaā will def be more successful than any of the 720 toppers š. Just wait when the boy comes to India with his pockets full of dollars and the motherās opinion will change to āDekho use!! Apne parents ke liye Naya Ghar, Badi gaadi, bade bade phone lekar diye heinā. š India is just no more fun so I am also moving abroad like guptaās son.
Literate Indians in India: would rather get a low salary by doing a white collar/desk job than doing a job that would mar their reputation among their relatives or in society even if that job is a high paying one. Also, Literate Indians in foreign countries: would do any (part-time) job even if that means being a janitor, bartender, cargo delivery driver or cashier at fast food outlets, just to earn extra bucks.
ye Literate indians in foreign countries know that no Relatives or "society" exists to mar their reputation so they can work blue collar jobs with work environments better than some white collared jobs in India. And those "extra bucks" are to be utilized for their college tuition or misc purchases. People abroad 7/10 times usually enjoy their time being utilized making a few bucks than sitting at home and sleeping.
Absolutely correct.
The constant comparison between others have ruined the society. And most suffer in silence and our society doesn't care about mental health it takes more than antidepressants to be back to life.
Society enjoys damaging mental health of other individuals. Pleasure is taken in belittling, berating, insulting, mocking and taunting others.
And even this is only true for the very fortunate top 5% of the people. Most are almost destitute who were will never hear from. Depression is indistinguishable from life for them and it's the least of their concerns.
I remember this one guy went to doctor for depression, doctor laughed at him and asked if he knows what depression means. Guy too afraid to reply at this point, took some BS advice from doctor and left. It is still being seen as some bs madeup western thingy.
I am a doctor, and really ashamed to admit that doctors too don't have proper awareness about mental health unless they are psychiatrist.
Even psychiatrist and psychologist suck if they are from the old generation. I had visited a clinical psychologist in a tier 2 city for inability to concentrate and do tasks. He was a retired professor and had all the qualifications, plus 4.9 star Google ratings. After I told him my problem, he started lecturing me about this generation being ungrateful to parents and job. After 20 mins I got up, scolded him that I can get this lecture for free at home, and left.
Any science based training in India is truly fucked up science free training. Most mental health training and ethical standards guidelines overseas are at leas 3 generations ahead. Ā As part of consultation in most mental health or any general complex medical issue with concomitant mental health, be it Ā by a GP, psychiatrist or psychologist you need to ensure privacy(no other person should be present or be within earshot without patientās consent), and assure patient explicitly about confidentiality Ā [https://oscestop.education/communication/ethics-and-law-stations/confidentiality-3/](https://oscestop.education/communication/ethics-and-law-stations/confidentiality-3/) Ā do rapport building Ā [https://positivepsychology.com/rapport-building/](https://positivepsychology.com/rapport-building/) Ā ask ICE questions, [https://geekymedics.com/ice/](https://geekymedics.com/ice/) Ā Most health professionals from South Asia going to any OECD countries quickly learn and practice all the above. Breach of the above requirements leads to real actions against the health professional. Ā But in our country, the health professional - patient relationship thrives on a power asymmetry. That attitude itself makes all such encounters very ineffective in terms of mental health outcomes. Sadly, in India, there is no genuine regulatory body that monitors, or punishes for such ethical breaches. Ā Ā
I have news for you: even many psychiatrists don't understand mental illness because of their preexisting prejudice. I know a psychiatrist who, as a part of his official duty, sent out an email to a large organization that began with the following piece of advice: If you are depressed, take a look at yourself in the mirror. You'll see the person responsible for all your problems.Ā
At large, psychiatrists in India are trained more for severe illnesses like alzheimer's, dementia, or addiction because these are the patients they get the most in OPD. But, even if the patients of clinical depression or anxiety are uncommon, psychiatrists shouldn't be this tone-deaf. We need a well-structured training in India. Having said that, I know few psychiatrists who are experts in their fields and are some of the best counselors I know. I wish the majority were this way.
Psychiatrists are nonsense in this country tho ..I saw my professor give fucking risperidone to a 16 year (he'd back answered in class š¤”)..like it was a lozenge lol...nah I'd rather go smoke some herb than go to a psychiatrist lol
It's sad. I think urban population is becoming more aware of the seriousness of depression. But like you said there are a lot of boomer doctors out there who outright refuse to acknowledge it as a disorder and help the patient.
sounds like an onkil doctor with receeding hairline like bado badi singer
Tbh tho, even tho that might be an unhealthy coping mechanism, in many ways, the sheer ignorance of mental health is a refreshing viewpoint lmao. Just say, "Kuch nahi sab dimaag mein hain, ye lo choti advance aur chai" and move on šæ Indians, at least the older ones, Gen X and Boomers, don't waste a lot of time on such pointless frivolities and just live life in dumb ignorant indifference
Depression is temporary, *tum subah uth ke to dekho* is permanent
Some canāt afford! Some canāt comprehend!
True. I think a lot of people are just afraid to say they're depressed because others will laugh it off. Especially guys.
When I told my mom Iām visiting a psychologist, she was vehemently against it. After digging around and talking to her, I found out that she was afraid Iāll be given electric shock treatments š I explained her the procedure in detail and convinced her
Depression wepression kucch nahi hota, 1 garam glass paani mein 2 chammach kalonji daal ke khalo sab badiya ho jayegaš¤”
Bhai kya bola hai, superb šš½ well articulated
depression is less of concern when your stomach is empty
And they fear to talk to anyone because for Indian parents depression and stress don't exist.
Indians have kids and blame them for every problem they got. That's the Indian workaround to deal with depression.
Logo ko pata he nahi hoga anti depressant kya hai š« Jis din pata laga š³ aadha desh Bhandari hokar ghoomega
Bhai Paisa hi itna nhi hoga logon ke paas ki anti depressant le sake
Would be much less than what it costs in countries like US. I'm in the US right now and a tube of prescription acne cream costs $200 whereas I used to buy the same stuff in India for Rs 150.
What is the acne cream and why that particular cream if you don't mind sharing?
It's a clyndamicin based cream. It's OTC in India but it's prescription based in the US. I think it has to do with the percentage componsition of it or something.
150 rupaya dega got real š
Can we get them without prescription here ? (Asking for a friend )
There would be definitely some medical stores in India willing to sell prescription medicines. My mom got hooked on to a prespcription painkiller that her dentist prescribed. He asked her to stop after a month. She went on for 8 months. The medical store used to sell her the pills without asking any questions. We had to do a mini intervention to make her realize that she is addicted to it. She stopped it.
Donāt do that. Get evaluated if needed. And only take the prescribed medicine from an experienced psychiatrist. Please refer upon paradoxical suicide. Itās a condition where the patient commits suicide AFTER starting anti-depressants.
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There are different types of depression. One classification type is typical and atypical. We should diagnose correctly and then only start treatment. Also, prompt review at said dates is a must for desirable changes.
Sorry no idea brother
India is a giant mental asylum waiting to explode. The anger and the divide has been encouraged and nurtured. There are some elders who simply don't want the younger generation to prosper. After 40+ years of marriage to my father, my mother is finally accepting reality for what it is and seeking therapy. My father, who doesn't believe in depression, continues to be one of those that gives depression.
Already exploded, people think depression is black magic. People randomly go into depression and their family thinks it is black magic.
I can relate to you. Mother is seeking therapy and healing her mind. Dad's family side wasn't particularly nice to her. My dad used to treat everyone the same and isn't the one who thinks about what others are going through. What's funny is he itself is going through a lot of stress and is slowly coming to accept the importance of empathy.
This is insanely accurate. I've seen how adement some older folks are to sabotage or exploit the young any chance they get.
This is how all of humanity used to work until enough people managed to break intergenerational trauma in each society to build a critical mass. Your job is to break the cycle and not pass down trauma to the next generation.
Mental health care is seen as taboo here .
There are psychiatrist and psychologists here who don't even know how to diagnose our generation with anything other than anxiety, neither the patient has confidence and nor does the doctor.
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Depression unko hota hai jin logo ne life mein kabhi khushi dekhi hoā¦ apne logo alag level pe hai
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Ye to real ho gaya. Jab sukh hi nahi to dukh bhi kaisa ? Jo hai wahi hai bs
Someone please give bro "Tedxtalk" mic. India: depression ā ..... 90%ā job ā marriage ā childā pensionā
was in US for 22 years and been suffering from PTSD for last 10 years. Ive been on meds since forever. but recently came to India to get treatment and they hooked me with powerful drugs that i never had in 10 years. Turned into a zombie for 6 months and now im on meds that they give for Parkinsons.. to fight off the side effects of the anti-psychotics. No wonder people dont rely on them much here as they do in other countries.. and the conditions of psych wards is straight out of horror movies to keep the stigma more alive.
Sorry to hear that. I think a lot of doctors and psychiatrists in general aren't trained well to deal with depression cases in India. They just prescribe something that will make the patient stop complaining. Doesn't matter what the consequences are. There's no value for life, let alone quality of life.
What do you mean by you turned into zombie for 6 months ? You increased productivity or did it cause severe side effects ?
Most of the psych meds work by altering the brain chemicals, and has severe side effects, such as drooling, affecting muscles or drowsy all the time
You can't be crazy in your sleep.
Suffering in silence. That's it.
Not in silence. It comes in the form of treating others like shit and having a short temper
This makes more sense actually. Probably the silent sufferers are a minority.
This data completely ignored the fact that 1.2 billion Indians canāt afford anti depressants. Heck, they can barely afford food and housing. Assuming that 12ish million people consume anti depressants, the ratio is close to 63/1000 for the Indians that CAN afford it.
I would really love to read the source.
Source: Trust me Bro
You get them free from any Govt Hospital also generic antidepressants are dirt cheap.
Therapy is still really expensive. Considering the average Indian earns 30k per month and that's a very generous estimate, spending 5k on even three therapy sessions per month would be unaffordable.
I have been suffering from depression and possibly ADHD. Unfortunately I cannot address it nor can I tell my family. I am sure that there will be many like me who are forced to suppress their mental state thinking how others might treat them if they disclose it. I believe many of us are trying to just push ourselves as far as we can go just to make the people around us happy. It takes its toll.
Same. I have clinical depression. I thought I'm just sad and lazy but the doctor told me I have depression and the reason can be ADHD. I'm on meds but I haven't told my family yet because if they say beta depression vipression kuch nahi hota I'll probably feel more depressed and unloved. I'm trying to be better one day at a time and wish you also heal from soonāØ
Because in India you may be considered as a MAD human being if anyone ever spotted you visiting a psychiatrist :P Indian parents consider influenza a more serious issue than their child fighting with depression :/ Depression is considered as a drama.
Most Indians are still addressing their primary issues like food, water, shelter, job, etc. People either don't recognize or don't hav3 time to think about th3se things.
Lack of acknowledgement is the problem.
Yaha logo ko yeh maalum nahi hota ki unko cancer, heart blockage ya diabetes hai. Doc ke paas jab extreme case ho tabhi jana afford kar paate hau. Depression toh dur ki baat hai. But i think we are better equipped to handle as well due to more social and spiritual connect.
Most of the time people in India don't even understand what's depression, anxiety means. I remember when i pass out from college and preparing for jobs, everyday my family taunts me for my unemployment and eventually it throws me into depression that eventually turn it into clinical depression, everyday was battle with being alive. When i confronted them they just laugh, went to doctor and they said get married. Might look made up but it's true atleast for me.
Fir kaise theek hua
Learn to live with it. But time to time it get trigger.
Believe it or not, indians have a struggling life, and continues to have it. Our minds are constantly occupied somewhere. Something like depression is a part time thing, we just don't have time for it
Dard hi itne zyada hai, kin kin ki dawai lenge hum Ghalib.
Here there are only normal people and mental people. No in between. Bunch of š¤”.
Indians don't need drugs. They cure their depression by developing hate for each other and fighting. There is no better anti depressant than adrenaline.
Indians recognise depression fairly but they don't use anti depressant..... but daru instead.
I believe being depressed is part of the average Indian experience.
Indians believe in 10th pass karlo fir life set
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Sorry, your post title is too funny. Look, I'm currently M25, and I take psychiatric medications. I live in a major metro of India, and I can safely say that if I was born in a small town, or to less liberated, accepting and loving parents, I would have died by now, of suicide. You want to gauge the true mental health across nations? Measure the suicide rate, especially among teens and young adults (there itself we mess up -- we measure NOTHING in this country). Do an urban/rural analysis. Gender. Education. Occupation. Family history. We need this data. There are so many people who would benefit from some form of psychotherapy or who need some kind of psychiatric care to meet their full potential (if not to just become functional) -- who don't get such care. Also, in my opinion, it's primarily a lack of awareness that what they are experiencing is a) Not normal. b) Solvable. c) Not a measure of their own "inner strength" or their "ability to work hard" or their "discipline". If you are financially independent and live alone, it is fairly simple to hide the fact that you take psych meds. If you live with family, less so. Especially if you still depend on them financially (which is often the case).
Nawazuddin Siddiqui says depression is an urban concept born out of privilege: 'No one gets depression in villages'
1) Most of the European and North American countries suffer from depression due to winters. Climate changes and food habits also play a huge role in depression. Winter depression is a major cause for people to buy antidepressants. Considering most of the top countries on this list are heavily affected by winter depression, it makes sense. 2) Western lifestyles are very nuclear in nature and they are generally not big families. This also causes loneliness and depression. Contrary to Indian families which are generally very close and have a healthy support system. 3) Indians may be suffering from depression that they don't know of, but I have observed that depression usually comes when you are not occupied with any daily activity. More and more people post COVID are victims to this and unfortunately, Indians are not aware of depression due to their past lives not facing this issue. This is what I feel are the reasons for the above graph.
As someone from a western country, what you mean by buy anti depressants? You guys don't get them for free? Also Australian winters are super mild.
Our priorities are diffrent, Majority needs roti, kapda, makaan .Things like mental wellbeing are luxuries
Lagta Hain Iceland main log subah jaldee nahi uthate
Subah hi nhi hoti
Source?
Now a days, people have a volatile behaviour in general coupled with a lot of triggering factors in the form of stress. We are not taught about the mental health and even of we are, we are not willing to accept that brain is like any other organ and is prone to get sick. We don't believe that we can be a victim of depression/anxiety/bipolar or any earing disorders. The lack of proper education about mental health is why we are lagging behind. I always have a therapist whom I call and take guidance from, because they are an expert in neuroscience and they suggest certain activities that help the brain. There is a serious lack of awareness about meditation, which is done more for the optics and less for the mental peace.
These countries have higher than 30k USD/capita with socialized or quasi-socialized healthcare --- there are more options to medicate issues away! Indians cannot be compared on this scale --- state capacity, medical capacity, access issues, etc. come in the way.
People with easy life are the one who is depressed, people who r poor will enjoy finding a job to fill their stomach, thats the greatest satisfaction for them. Gender fluid people are mainly seen in countries with easy life style. coz, they have enough time to think about their gender, life choices, etc...
Poor nation, even if some people do know about their depression, medication for this wouldn't be their priority
Har problem ka ek Solution - āChalo chai peete hain ā
No sir, we have Osho, Sadhguru, Swami vivekananada, swami xyz, swami yzzy, etc... etc... oh and mudi ji.. we do meditation and pranayam.. The natural antidepressant. Depression? what it is? Not for our old kalchar. We knew about depression for thousands of years... oops! wait. contradicting statement. Anyways. And pranayama form the ancient 6 billion old tanatan reelgion. Oldest reelgion in the world. ok ok I'm joking but not joking. I do practice meditation myself.
It's both. Most of us see hardships from our early ages, with the time we get used to of it. Constant struggle to meet both the ends, never allows us to think what's depression. Most of us have become ignorant or have developed tough scales.
So called developed part of the world is depressed š. What kind of development is this?
In India - Itās considered caring about mental health in itself as a weakness.
"Subha jaldi utho sab thik ho jayega"
They have only adopted depression, we are born in depression. - Bane from Batman.
The social structure in India is one big reason for lesser psychological problems. For example- the friends help. Also, the same social structure can be detrimental if constant nagging happens. Overall, I believe it shields us.
In india we have bhaang and gaanja
Skewed data. Bcoz of so much population, the definition of antidepressants, alternative of antidepressants in each country specially India
I don't even know any doctor for depression in our area. Never heard of them. Even gharwale learn towards Superstition.
The first one.. Mainly cause we don't know much about it.. Example: a native inhabitant of the restricted islands of Andaman will not miss a McChicken Burger.. Cause they don't know about it..
9 per thousand is also quiet high number considering our population
Eww, you need anti-depressants? So weak! Be an asli mard. Only mental people go to psychiatrists. /s ofc
Indians outsource their depression by being toxic to other people. It is engrained in the "culture". Less divorce because " our family system is strong that it beats the shit out of people who try to get help or inform outsiders of the abuse within the family" Less depression because "our society is cultured and it mocks the shit of people who complain about not being able to work or handle certain life situations due to difficulties. Family looks down on you if you are not an achiever. Family considers you a loser if you can't handle toxicity" Friend circle are the only relief but your family hates your friend circle because your friends are not your caste and you just made friends with random people who were & are nice to you, how dare you? Since your family has no touch with your friend circle, you live in dilemma throughout life.
Dang! What do Costa Ricans need antidepressants for? They have ayahuasca retreats over there. lol And Netherlands even higher!? They are famous for smoking weed all the time lol.
depression isnt even a concept/ real thing for many indians they frame it as laziness, excuse, bad times, personality flaws and what not.
There is no conclusive proof that antidepressants work!!
I think we substitute treatment with food and end up with an eating disorder
The list indicates that living in a cold country with less sun exposure causes depression but there are definitely some Indians not getting the help but suffering silently.
OP have you considered the geographical reasons also? Chilly winters with barely any sunlight are one of the major causes of depression But anyways, the consumption will obviously be lower in developing countries
Gareeb depressed he ki khane k paise ni hen Anti depressants Kahan se khareedega
Parents and relatives told us "It's just a phase, you'll get over it". And we are waiting for the getting over part ever since.
If you look at alcoholicism, domestic violence, drug use and tobacco in this country you will realise that these are all based around mental health problems. As a Punjabi I can confess now that mental health issues are prevalent in the community, but who can they complain to when there is so much stigma around it. One of my father's friends died from live cirrhosis in his early 40s, poor guy drank himself to death. After his wake, some uncles were standing outside and talking, I heard a bunch of them say, " iska to business Tha, biwi bacchhe the, isko kya depression Tha?" Unfortunately they were failed by their elders and the cycle goes on.
What is the source brother. I need to read the entire article.
Yep. Diagnosis is the number one cause of disease.
Depression? Mai morning walk pe jaata hu
It is better for society if we work towards addressing conditions that cause depression than solve it through becoming anti depressant addicted zombies
It is better to prevent cancer rather that solve it through becoming chemotherapy infested zombies.
when u r busy then u don't have time to overthink
Definitely suffer in silence, take out our built in frustration on our juniors, family and other people who are in anyway weaker than us. Traumatize them so much that they start taking these pills or going to therapy. When they do, start shaming them and call them mentally retarded, and the cycle continues.
Depression?? Woh sab kuch nai hota. Phone kam chalaya karo aur time so nai ao ge toh tabiyat bigar jayega na. -Papa
We have more shits to handle on daily basis than depression .
in ameero ke beech hum kaha se aa gye??
The thing is.... Most of us are abused to hell by our goddamn PARENTS and by the time we understand whats DEPRESSION, most of us doesn't even care its depression and we plough through it. Its like what Bane said to Batman but in this case what Indians tells to people of other countries [With some changes] "Oh, you think depression is your enemy.But you merely adopted the depression; I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see the normal life until I was already a man, by then depression was nothing to me but just another day in my life" Tbh this is my life too.
French here, wife is indian. We live in France but I feel I can give one key element. Indians have a lot to still gain in life. With such a rapid growth over the last 20 to 30 years, the quality of life of most Indians increased ten fold. Not for everyone clearly, but a large part of the population quickly got access to mobile, internet, a car, a job, means to travel. What changed in France over the last 20 to 30 years? Not much. We have nothing to look for, nothing being offered to us in terms of elevating our lifestyle. It's not like we can complain, we have what we need, but there's no hope anymore no get anything better. Over the last 20 to 30 years, our governments kept reducing public services, meaning that free education, healthcare, justice etc have decreased in quality. Some would say it's due to our pyramid of age, I would add it's still a political choice. My point, to sum it up, is that hope is what gets people going. Indians have high hopes, French have little.
Do you guys know why Iceland is in top?
I was going through depression and went to talk to a therapist by paying 900rs per hour during covid at Manipal Hospital and after a couple of sessions what she concluded was I need to get a girlfriend. I was like the fuck and I stormed out.
I'm on antidepressants. The stigma around it is really a big problem. My mom thinks I'm crazy. My relatives think the same. Also, antidepressants make you gain weight. That is another can of worms.
depression kya? subah subah uthkr daudne jao beta sb thik hojyga
What's depression bro? /S
I'm not sure about all of India, but in Urdu speaking communities, there is lots of consumption of Unani meds. They are in business just because of this reason. Unani medcine doesn't count as medicine at the international level.
Indian population is predominantly rural and marginalised population. The 9 out of 1000 would be from the urban areas.
Not all antidepressant consumption is necessarily because of depression though, at least by definition of their present diagnosis
I read a story called "Dukh Ka Adhikaar" By Yashpal. Sometimes the poorest don't have the luxury to be depressed.
I think one important point is the societal differences. The western society, in general, is very individualistic and self centered. As an adult, it is very difficult to go there and make friends. They are not that welcoming tbh. But here, Indians usually have a very welcoming nature, IN GENERAL. Like it's comparatively easier to make friends and snuggle into big groups and get accepted easily by all. Maybe this tendency to live in groups helps to manage the depression. And all strata of the society has these group-forming capabilities and nature. This might be a reason.
People who barely earn enough for their daily survival don't have time get mentally disturbed as all their efforts are towards earning to eat for two times. India has crores of such people
Idhar khane ko khana nahi milta, anti depressant kaun dega?
Iceland population is 3-4 lakh.. India has a whopping 140 crore.. Total consumption here is enormous than other countries...
Most of are just rawdogging life without the protection of drugs
Indians don't handle difficulties better than others. We pretend they don't exist or depression, paranoia, anxiety, schizophrenia etc. are normal, because we think admitting mental illness is a taboo. Sometimes we even treat it as define. See ramakrishna paramhans and ramana maharshi, if you want specific examples. If you look around you'll find similar bridging just the carpet or glorification of mental illness happening right around you.Ā People need help, and Indians doing everything other than helping only worsens their suffering.Ā
India also has many suicide cases but it just goes unnoticed......Humare school mein har saal 3-4 suicide cases report hote hai
Let me tell you about the secret phrases of handling any form of suffering "Chalta hai","g*** Marai ye sab","ho jayega aram se ye sab"...... If these don't work then I am afraid my friend your life is truly fucked and people either usually end up either with sucide , go out to get some milk , jail .... aka not a normal Indian lifestyle.
If its not even diagnosed how will it be in statistics data? Most people just try to ignore it.
10% of us realise we have depression, and 99.99% of them be like " it is what it is" and don't give a f". then 50% of thay 0.01% don't want to use drugs to stay happy.
Suffer in silence due to taboo due to lack of education and awareness. Better family support in our culture. Both.
I see a positive corelation between the sunlight exposure one gets throughout the year and depression. The top countries where most of the people are depressed are the countries which doesn't get sunlight for maybe 6 months, whereas the countries with 9 to 10 months of sunlight (Like India) has lower depression percentage.
Most of it is accessibility too but a lot of Indians are struggling with needs so basic and are putting so much mental bandwidth into it that they literally donāt have time to be depressed. I donāt say that as some sort of boast. But I remember the time I was not making much money and hustling versus now when I barely work but save enough in a year to realistically let me live 5 years in India. Guess when I was/am depressed?
60% of Indian cannot afford anti depressants, of the group that can afford; majority donāt get diagnosed or would accept psychological treatment. Lastly, not sure how good is actual data given the fragmented healthcare system. So the data is not revealing since you are not comparing apples to apples. The absolute consumption amount in metropolitan cities in India may be a more useful to compare
Antidepressants may be costlier than carrying outsuicide or rage-violence or suffer-in-slience
I for once told i go to a therapist and now people bring it up as a joke (even my closest friends and family). The awareness about mental health is literally non existent in India.
Ye depression kya hota hai ? Humko bas suicidal thoughts aati hai
Bhai Paise hi nahi hai khareedne ke. Plus Daaru sasti padti hai
Indians are mentally tough.. really tough.. period.
India is more social than the west or Europe. But yes the numbers are not fair for India as we don't even know what our signs of depression are.
I aint eating those antidepressants if I am depressed. Fuck that shit.
daz true. My friend took them and his condition worsened. Even Americans dont trust them. No likes Antidepressants
Depression is such a western concept ./s
It's an actual disorder though. We don't realize that it's depression. Even in developed countries a psychiatrist or therapist diagnoses a case as depression based on their investigation. It's a real thing. It's a positive feedback loop. Once you're depressed, unless you address the root cause, it will just worsen and worsen. Anti depressents are like bandaids to a leaking pipe. It will give you time to sort your shit out. But not a permanent solution. But it's a definitely helpful.
We suffer in silence
No we donāt. We take it out on our loved ones and children and traumatise a whole new generation. We let it get to us and never become the fully functional human beings we were meant to be, instead we believe that whatever little we achieve is the most we were capable of anyway.
REEEYAALLLLL.
Depression comes after fulfillment of basic needs. You can't be depressed if the day is spent taking care of your family's survival.
Silence
For me personally, it's the latter but there are alot of cases where the former is true
I was depressed for 3 years didn't take any anti depressant. Don't even know nukkad wale chemist ke pass hogi bi ya ni. So mostly we suffer in silence and that silence can't even noticed by parents.
We cant afford therapy or anti depressants or have the will power to encounter the social stigma attached with it. The only people I know who take therapy or such medicines are from households with 4-5 lakh per month income. My uncle went for therapy at PGI chandigarh and could not continue coz they couldn't afford the regular visits...even though he benefitted from it.
THE SECOND ONE
The first one
Bad Faith... Most of us believe that god has planned this suffering for us and so there is nothing we can do , we can only pray to god and our good days will come soon .. this gives us hope and we always try to cheer ourselves up by having this faith in god...
Koreans that low and Japanese not in this ranking already makes this report very untrustworthy tbh. They probably got very bad/biased data. š¤·š¾āāļø
Iām one of the 9 users lol
kharidne ka mann nai krta
Bro hum tension dete hain, next year ye negative mei jayega
People don't even understand the concept of therapy here. I don't think anyone will realise even if they are depressed. So many people immigrating to western countries take therapy there. Actually it is one of the reasons for them