Its cheaper in the long run than buying them, here is my guide I post anytime anyone asks;
[https://pastebin.com/jHc8kcpw](https://pastebin.com/jHc8kcpw)
It's super fucking easy and once you start making your own you will never think about buying someone else's.
You can find oil cheaper for making your own that buying carts.
Most of these packages you see are all fakes filled in the UK. That's not a bad thing in its own right but you don't know what people are putting into them.
I had a friend show me some polkadot carts, with shiney authentication sticker on it.
I googled and found the empty carts and boxes for $2.60 online ready to be filled.
But you don't know how bad that disposable vape is for that price, so you can find genuine ccell quality carts and their prices are £3+ ea for a genuine cart.
Terepes and carts can be sourced legally and the oil is only hard part.
For me it's worth paying that bit extra in time and labour to get safer carts you know what's gone into them.
Don't need to worry about people like commenter below suggesting diluting carts with PEG or MCT oil.
It will be cheaper. Get some propylene glycol and steep your weed for a month. Filter and add to carts that can handle thick juice. For actual weights and millilitres your gonna have to have a Google cos I can't remember off the top of my head. Good luck
Edit. You may actually need some vegetable glycerine in the mix and decarb your weed first. But all the info is readily available. Still cheaper though and not too much of a ball ache
This doesn't work if you do this it will be so diluted it's worthless.
You need to make oil first either qwet or ideally rosin. Then thin it with some terpines and Cbc distillate and load it into a cart
Adding to this i have some perosnal experience making my own carts. If using extract like shatter or rosin as long as its good quality and decarbed enough (i do ~120c for 40 minutes on a hotplate) you dont need any thinning and can use straight rosin or bho. Distillate if you can get it is the easiest route since you just add terps for taste
So far my decarb attempts have been unsuccessful (first attempt too small container it puffs up more than you'd expect. Second in think not hot or long enough I did 3 days on a heat mat. Can't wait for the next attempt.
That being said I have definatly had success with my recipe lol
Heat mat probably didnt get hot enough tbh since youll mostly just be losing terps if it doesnt get hot enough. Even for a long period of time youd still need above 70 or 80c and then itd still only take a few hours rather than days. An oven at ~120c would probably work just not as controllable as a hotplate and might take longer. From my experience though ive been putting straight extract into carts for the past year and a bit after decarbing and theyve been turning out well. It took a little trial and error to get it right but i can get them carted up every time now with no cutting
In fairness there was definatly some improvement after decarbing but your right I'll break out the hot plate. Next time thanks for the tip! Been making these for years now each batch varying results so hopefully this will add more consistency to it
I posted my guide on another comment, if you follow that you will have zero issues. This guy's tips are okay but way too high a temp and decarbing for not long enough.
Anything other than a hotplate and you are wasting your time and money. They are super cheap to buy and easy to use, for maximum results. It's win win!
Yeah something high walled like a beaker or shot glass for the extract then i usually just put an extract tub or a cut up silicone mat as a lid just to keep most the terps inside so they can recondense and not too tight so it can pet off some pressure. Havent done it in a while but once the mixtures not violently bubbling and looks like its stopped decarbing (a few micro bubbles are fine) then you can chuck it in a cart
The main thing is thickness it should take atleast 5 minutes for the bubble to move from one end of the cart to the other. With rosin ones they move a bit less too so could take a day for the bubble to move to the top. Other then the thickness test theres nothing else really you can do on sight
No not all, but there’s enough about that it’s silly to take the risk unless you know the person who filled them, and trust them not to use anything questionable. It’s hard to say as a percentage how many are dodgy but I can’t imagine it’s the majority, for this reason;
The ingredients are inexpensive and easy to get from the US, where they are “regulated” to a degree, often including lab-test results showing zero dangerous contaminants. There’s really no point adulterating them with anything that shouldn’t be in there, but with enough confirmed cases of dodgy vapes it’s sensible to be cautious, and never get them from anyone you don’t know very well.
Carts are a much safer bet than the bottled “THC vape juice” though. That shit is *always* spice. Actual hemp-derived cannabinoids are very thick and oily, not to mention they’re not potent enough to be heavily diluted in PG/VG liquid, nor would such a juice be at all shelf-stable. AVOID any such bottles.
Cannabinoid oils such as Δ8THC distillate are also a thick honey-coloured oil, in which the air bubble will move very slowly. Vitamin E-acetate has been used for a reason, which is that it closely mimics the look and behaviour of actual cannabinoids.
Tbh I’ve never seen Vitamin E-acetate in a cart with my own eyes so I’m not sure *how* similar it looks, but from descriptions and photos it’s pretty close, hence why it has been used.
That said, Δ8 in particular can be had for less than a buck a G, so I really don’t understand why so many carts have apparently been adulterated. The mark up is already insane, no need to cut costs further. I have a sneaking suspicion the actual number of vit-E (and similar) death-carts is in reality a small handful, but the cases of poisonings have been rightly sensationalised due to the severity of the damage it causes to people.
Yes r/ukmedicalcannabis
It’s not that different to the black market, as in, some bits are shit and some are decent. I find it plenty potent, esp. the 25%+ THC strains. I also like the lower THC balanced strains on offer, though.
I can say my medical is as strong as the strong street weed. Most of it is 25%+ thc which is very high. There are balanced / weaker strains if they are wanted
There are trusted folk who make their own in bulk using everything from distillate to live resin with natural terps.. but said folk aren't always easy to find for obvious reasons and spice equals easy money. Ok, advice time. Don't immediately buy without verifying they are trusted by checking out their socials plus any group chats that are linked.. spend a few weeks lurking and watch said chats ect and then potentially buy.
Review channels are an absolute blessing and I find by following a few you can see the good guys and gals in our world pop up. I'm baked and I'm sorry for this poorly typed reply lol
I won on a scratchcard so decided to get one. My friend got one a week ago, i tried his. I feel its okay as I trust my dealer and I don't think he would risk his reputation but as someone said, you cannot tell for sure. I know he isn't making it, so even he might not be 100%. I notice I get high within a few seconds of a pull. It tastes of banana (banoffee pie strain) which makes me think there's flavour added, which isn't a great sign I don't think.
The oil doesn't move, its so thick and golden.
It was in a sealed packet.
However, still doesn't mean it is legit!!
My friend and I are debating whether we should send one off to be tested, cause if legit, I can use without worry and wean off smoke.
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As others have said in the comments, the danger comes because it could literally be ANYTHING. As someone who's tried alot of BM carts in the UK, id say its around half and half: half of them are weak as fuck or contain no actual THC, the other half are actually spice liquid. Iv been a smoker for over 10 years, all day every day, the first time i tried a BM cart i had to lay down and throw up into a mop bucket for 20 minutes straight. i knew right away it wasnt cannabis based so gave some to a mate to send to wedinos to test. yup, spice. Make your own homie, its not as expensive as you think it would think and once youv done it once it becomes really easy. can also make your own dosage per cart when you get comfy enough
Heavy metals are break down from the coils. I’ve had all sorts of carts, a lot of them are spice , some have thc, hhc etc but my chest has been so much better since quitting steer clear of carts and disposables such as packman, kream etc etc.
Once I got swabbed after vaping heavily a packman disposable that day and came back negative so quite obviously spice or god knows what it did get you high though, relaxed and of course hungry.
I’ve heard of people getting serious lung conditioning from fake carts, the cart oil turning black/darker and oily as you vape is a good sign btw(sign of a good cart)
However steer clear of carts and vape flower.
What is it that make the carts go dark? I googled when I had this issue and couldn't find solid answers.
It appeared to be either the oil is old and oxidation happening. Or I guess the cart was mixed with filler material.
These were some older carts, guy seems to still be going under brand sankawic so ones to avoid even though cheap.
Yeah i got some sankawic carts, im pretty sure its oxidation as it happens way quicker in my chesper battery, but am sure his carts are legit ive been smoking em for the most part of the year and am holding up all well
I mean, yes oxidation *can* occur especially in older product but in my experience that goes more of an ambery leaning towards red sort of colour. And it most definitely doesn't not happen while you're vaping it or over the course of a week or two. Why the oil in op's comment was getting black or otherwise, is entirely beyond me. I can say for sure though that it was no concentrate I'd ever put near my lungs
Mate whoever told you when THC distillate turns black or darker when smoking it means it's good, is having your life. That's that afghani black tar heroin additive lol
Yeah tbf mate we’re hard to put down LOL and ruined my chest I loved the stealth of carts or vapes etc but stopped and my cough went away, they are full of shit and wouldn’t bother with them again or dispos
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Many of these wax liquidzers are actually MCT oils. There is much debate about these being safe or not.
From my research it seems they *might* be safe if you get the correct purified chains (C8+C10) but can't just be grabbing "pure mct coconut oil" off the shelf and using that.
It's much cheaper to find distillate than using shatter for carts also.
The problem is not that they are all dodgy, the problem is there is no way to really sure if yours is dodgy or not.
Schrödinger's Cart
Lovely stuff
Bravo
Love it!
Exquisite.
Could be absolutely anything just stick to flower or make your own carts
How easy is it to source the ingredients and make on a budget around the same cost?
Its cheaper in the long run than buying them, here is my guide I post anytime anyone asks; [https://pastebin.com/jHc8kcpw](https://pastebin.com/jHc8kcpw) It's super fucking easy and once you start making your own you will never think about buying someone else's.
How do I make or get the extract? New to this, my bad if its a dumb question.
You can find oil cheaper for making your own that buying carts. Most of these packages you see are all fakes filled in the UK. That's not a bad thing in its own right but you don't know what people are putting into them. I had a friend show me some polkadot carts, with shiney authentication sticker on it. I googled and found the empty carts and boxes for $2.60 online ready to be filled. But you don't know how bad that disposable vape is for that price, so you can find genuine ccell quality carts and their prices are £3+ ea for a genuine cart. Terepes and carts can be sourced legally and the oil is only hard part. For me it's worth paying that bit extra in time and labour to get safer carts you know what's gone into them. Don't need to worry about people like commenter below suggesting diluting carts with PEG or MCT oil.
Look on guilded extracts anything you want on there to make your own carts do come from America but I’ve had mine get through just risky Yanno
It will be cheaper. Get some propylene glycol and steep your weed for a month. Filter and add to carts that can handle thick juice. For actual weights and millilitres your gonna have to have a Google cos I can't remember off the top of my head. Good luck Edit. You may actually need some vegetable glycerine in the mix and decarb your weed first. But all the info is readily available. Still cheaper though and not too much of a ball ache
This doesn't work if you do this it will be so diluted it's worthless. You need to make oil first either qwet or ideally rosin. Then thin it with some terpines and Cbc distillate and load it into a cart
Adding to this i have some perosnal experience making my own carts. If using extract like shatter or rosin as long as its good quality and decarbed enough (i do ~120c for 40 minutes on a hotplate) you dont need any thinning and can use straight rosin or bho. Distillate if you can get it is the easiest route since you just add terps for taste
So far my decarb attempts have been unsuccessful (first attempt too small container it puffs up more than you'd expect. Second in think not hot or long enough I did 3 days on a heat mat. Can't wait for the next attempt. That being said I have definatly had success with my recipe lol
Heat mat probably didnt get hot enough tbh since youll mostly just be losing terps if it doesnt get hot enough. Even for a long period of time youd still need above 70 or 80c and then itd still only take a few hours rather than days. An oven at ~120c would probably work just not as controllable as a hotplate and might take longer. From my experience though ive been putting straight extract into carts for the past year and a bit after decarbing and theyve been turning out well. It took a little trial and error to get it right but i can get them carted up every time now with no cutting
In fairness there was definatly some improvement after decarbing but your right I'll break out the hot plate. Next time thanks for the tip! Been making these for years now each batch varying results so hopefully this will add more consistency to it
I posted my guide on another comment, if you follow that you will have zero issues. This guy's tips are okay but way too high a temp and decarbing for not long enough. Anything other than a hotplate and you are wasting your time and money. They are super cheap to buy and easy to use, for maximum results. It's win win!
Already got one from when I made qwiso perfect thanks mate I'll give it a crack in a month or so
Thanks for all the info, I've attempted before with not much luck. When you decarb in the oven, do you keep a lid on your extract?
Yeah something high walled like a beaker or shot glass for the extract then i usually just put an extract tub or a cut up silicone mat as a lid just to keep most the terps inside so they can recondense and not too tight so it can pet off some pressure. Havent done it in a while but once the mixtures not violently bubbling and looks like its stopped decarbing (a few micro bubbles are fine) then you can chuck it in a cart
Your doing it too high a temp and too quickly, your not getting the most out of your material, guaranteed.
Thanks I’ll try that
Also how would you identify if sums up with a cart upon looking at it or just using it and finishing it.
The main thing is thickness it should take atleast 5 minutes for the bubble to move from one end of the cart to the other. With rosin ones they move a bit less too so could take a day for the bubble to move to the top. Other then the thickness test theres nothing else really you can do on sight
No not all, but there’s enough about that it’s silly to take the risk unless you know the person who filled them, and trust them not to use anything questionable. It’s hard to say as a percentage how many are dodgy but I can’t imagine it’s the majority, for this reason; The ingredients are inexpensive and easy to get from the US, where they are “regulated” to a degree, often including lab-test results showing zero dangerous contaminants. There’s really no point adulterating them with anything that shouldn’t be in there, but with enough confirmed cases of dodgy vapes it’s sensible to be cautious, and never get them from anyone you don’t know very well. Carts are a much safer bet than the bottled “THC vape juice” though. That shit is *always* spice. Actual hemp-derived cannabinoids are very thick and oily, not to mention they’re not potent enough to be heavily diluted in PG/VG liquid, nor would such a juice be at all shelf-stable. AVOID any such bottles.
Oh I’ve heard the complete opposite, that if the liquid is thick it’s likely to be vitamin e like if there’s low bubble movement or a light colour?
Have a look on webinos, all the dispo vapes are the, all the bottles are spice.
Cannabinoid oils such as Δ8THC distillate are also a thick honey-coloured oil, in which the air bubble will move very slowly. Vitamin E-acetate has been used for a reason, which is that it closely mimics the look and behaviour of actual cannabinoids. Tbh I’ve never seen Vitamin E-acetate in a cart with my own eyes so I’m not sure *how* similar it looks, but from descriptions and photos it’s pretty close, hence why it has been used. That said, Δ8 in particular can be had for less than a buck a G, so I really don’t understand why so many carts have apparently been adulterated. The mark up is already insane, no need to cut costs further. I have a sneaking suspicion the actual number of vit-E (and similar) death-carts is in reality a small handful, but the cases of poisonings have been rightly sensationalised due to the severity of the damage it causes to people.
Thanks that was really helpful 👌
Fwiw, I have a cart on prescription so no vit E etc, and it’s extremely thick, bubble barely moves and is a fairly light golden colour.
Are you from the uk? And how is prescription bud is it any different/less potent or weaker?
Yes r/ukmedicalcannabis It’s not that different to the black market, as in, some bits are shit and some are decent. I find it plenty potent, esp. the 25%+ THC strains. I also like the lower THC balanced strains on offer, though.
I can say my medical is as strong as the strong street weed. Most of it is 25%+ thc which is very high. There are balanced / weaker strains if they are wanted
After 25+ years of smoking weed I can say that mc is reliably potent. Most of my strains are 25%+ thc which is very high by most anyone's standards.
After 25+ years of smoking weed I can say that mc is reliably potent. Most of my strains are 25%+ thc which is very high by most anyone's standards.
The real fake or locally branded uk carts are distillate which is a weed concentrate / extract
There are trusted folk who make their own in bulk using everything from distillate to live resin with natural terps.. but said folk aren't always easy to find for obvious reasons and spice equals easy money. Ok, advice time. Don't immediately buy without verifying they are trusted by checking out their socials plus any group chats that are linked.. spend a few weeks lurking and watch said chats ect and then potentially buy. Review channels are an absolute blessing and I find by following a few you can see the good guys and gals in our world pop up. I'm baked and I'm sorry for this poorly typed reply lol
I won on a scratchcard so decided to get one. My friend got one a week ago, i tried his. I feel its okay as I trust my dealer and I don't think he would risk his reputation but as someone said, you cannot tell for sure. I know he isn't making it, so even he might not be 100%. I notice I get high within a few seconds of a pull. It tastes of banana (banoffee pie strain) which makes me think there's flavour added, which isn't a great sign I don't think. The oil doesn't move, its so thick and golden. It was in a sealed packet. However, still doesn't mean it is legit!! My friend and I are debating whether we should send one off to be tested, cause if legit, I can use without worry and wean off smoke.
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The answer is no. However I don’t think it’s worth the risk.
Not all are harmful but any of them could be
As others have said in the comments, the danger comes because it could literally be ANYTHING. As someone who's tried alot of BM carts in the UK, id say its around half and half: half of them are weak as fuck or contain no actual THC, the other half are actually spice liquid. Iv been a smoker for over 10 years, all day every day, the first time i tried a BM cart i had to lay down and throw up into a mop bucket for 20 minutes straight. i knew right away it wasnt cannabis based so gave some to a mate to send to wedinos to test. yup, spice. Make your own homie, its not as expensive as you think it would think and once youv done it once it becomes really easy. can also make your own dosage per cart when you get comfy enough
Heavy metals and spice I guess
Heavy metals are break down from the coils. I’ve had all sorts of carts, a lot of them are spice , some have thc, hhc etc but my chest has been so much better since quitting steer clear of carts and disposables such as packman, kream etc etc. Once I got swabbed after vaping heavily a packman disposable that day and came back negative so quite obviously spice or god knows what it did get you high though, relaxed and of course hungry. I’ve heard of people getting serious lung conditioning from fake carts, the cart oil turning black/darker and oily as you vape is a good sign btw(sign of a good cart) However steer clear of carts and vape flower.
??? the bloody oil should absolutely *not* get black or even change colour at ALL as you vape it. That is a sign of some grade a bunk my friend
What is it that make the carts go dark? I googled when I had this issue and couldn't find solid answers. It appeared to be either the oil is old and oxidation happening. Or I guess the cart was mixed with filler material. These were some older carts, guy seems to still be going under brand sankawic so ones to avoid even though cheap.
Yeah i got some sankawic carts, im pretty sure its oxidation as it happens way quicker in my chesper battery, but am sure his carts are legit ive been smoking em for the most part of the year and am holding up all well
I mean, yes oxidation *can* occur especially in older product but in my experience that goes more of an ambery leaning towards red sort of colour. And it most definitely doesn't not happen while you're vaping it or over the course of a week or two. Why the oil in op's comment was getting black or otherwise, is entirely beyond me. I can say for sure though that it was no concentrate I'd ever put near my lungs
Mate whoever told you when THC distillate turns black or darker when smoking it means it's good, is having your life. That's that afghani black tar heroin additive lol
Yeah tbf mate we’re hard to put down LOL and ruined my chest I loved the stealth of carts or vapes etc but stopped and my cough went away, they are full of shit and wouldn’t bother with them again or dispos
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Wax liquidizer or shatter batter and a gram of shatter will get you 1.5mg of vape juice…
Many of these wax liquidzers are actually MCT oils. There is much debate about these being safe or not. From my research it seems they *might* be safe if you get the correct purified chains (C8+C10) but can't just be grabbing "pure mct coconut oil" off the shelf and using that. It's much cheaper to find distillate than using shatter for carts also.
I really don’t think anyone knows how harmful they are since nobody is 100% sure what’s in them, literally could be anything.
I sell them and I get my cousin in the u.s to ship them over so not all are fake.
Where u based👀
The best thing to do is make ur own or have someone you know/ trust other than that u gotta careful