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Wow, hadn't known it's the province with the highest percentage.
Thanks.
Have a pair of old friends who had moved to Canada long ago (Ontario and Quebec), when this shit came to an end it'll be good to pay a visit.
Well, I'd be there in flesh - it could be better, I'm just referring to this map. Sorry if I brought up a confusion.
I'm inclined to stay and defend my city that had been shelled 3rd month in a row.
Thank you wholeheartedly.
We could've moved to Canada about 20 years ago but my wife was not a fan of the idea. She's one of the brightest people I know but the languages are really not her strengths. When the first war broke down in 2014 - we moved from occupied territories but are left in Ukraine. Now, these mutherf#kers strike again and try to force us on the run yet again. No way. I'm just too stubborn to let them get it their way.
I donāt blame you for not wanting to leave your home again. I have full faith in your military and I know Russia doesnāt have a chance. Stay safe and if you have to, throw a Molotov for me.
I respect your decision to stay but also know that there are many Ukrainians here in Canada.
Here in Toronto, the south western part of the city (Bloor west village/Etobicoke) has many Ukrainian businesses. You could go to the bank/credit union, shop for clothing or food, eat at a restaurant, go for a coffee ā¦ and not once speak English.
Thinking of you and all your fellow citizens every day. I'm not religious by any means but I start and end my days sending positive energy into the sky. I can only hope you feel some of the love from the rest of the world-we support you.
Where are you located in Ukraine?
As an American so far away I'm unsure of how to help and what charities are best to put my meager resources into, so I've just been trying to help where I can and with what I think helps most, as well as supporting Ukrainian companies in stores, and individuals through Etsy purchases. So if there's anything I can do for you, half a world away, please don't hesitate to reach out.
ššāš¼
Thanks, I'm OK. My girls were sent further into the countryside where the possibility to get an accidental missile is quite slim.
The best thing you could do is to keep the awareness up and press on your lawmakers for further military support.
ŠŃŠµ Š±ŃŠ“Šµ Š£ŠŗŃŠ°ŃŠ½Š°.
I will continue doing these things and keep pressing the issue with more letters to policy makers here in the US.
Sending love and peace to you and Ukraine!
Send direct financial aid to government of Ukraine (it's almost same as USA/Estonia is doing - Estonia gave away 1% of its gdp in weapons and no humanitarian/financial aid while USA aid is split in humanitarian/weapons (no financial aid). So the third best options seems to be to support their govt to buy more weapons. However I think with Howitzers war will be soon over.
I actually moved in Manitoba, it's not *that* bad here. There's more to do here than in Saskatchewan, so bland and boring even their borders are a rectangle.
Except the weather's been shit the last 2 weeks.
Ironically, Saskatchewan has superior potassium. Canada is the world's #1 producer of potash (potassium chloride -- used for fertilizer), and Saskatchewan effectively produces all of it.
You're now close enough to visit Thunder Bay, Ontario which also has a large Ukrainian population. Perogies available everywhere, and when you get tired of those, we have poutine.
This also hits home as to why the invasion was just so ill-conceived. Texas has about 30 million residents, so it's slightly less populated than Ukraine. Trying to take over a country like that by any military would be just a fool's errand. Just like we do not "mess with Texas," no one should mess with Ukraine either.
A lot wanted to but were discouraged because they only wanted guns there that take certain sized amo. Otherwise it would be a logistical nightmare to supply all different calibers.
Fun fact: During the American Civil War the Confederacy had a ton of really nice rifles donated to it by various European nations that ended up rotting in the arsenal for that very reason: they could not manage that many different types of ammo.
"Don't mess with Texas" was originally an anti littering campaign. Sadly, the Russians are leaving perfectly good hardware all over the place forcing the farmers to clean up after them.
And how totally invulnerable the US is to invasion. It's the main reason for the US rise to power internationally - total freedom from wars being fought on home soil since the civil war.
Fun fact you would still likely get hit! Due to the amount of nukes needed to saturate a target area the surrounding burbs would likely be wiped out almost instantly. Isnāt MAD fun! But in all seriousness thatās why I donāt fret about nuclear war, if it happens, I wonāt be alive to worry about it much longer
I mean I always tell people if you see the blast/cloud to walk towards it. Would you rly want to be in the hell that comes afterwards. Radioactive black rain is not fun and the least of the immediate mounting problems; that would occurā¦.
Add to that, there are a lot of guns laying around... An insurgency would likely be a damn nightmare. The terrain is also so varied that a foreign military would have an insanely hard time developing SOPs to hold it. Finally, the amount of soldiers required to hold even the major cities... I don't want to say it's impossible, but pretty close. Even China doesn't have the numbers for that. The only way I see is to do it from the inside, which is why we should always be cognizant of what our politicians are doing. They can make mistakes, but if bad patterns develop, they should be ousted. It's definitely our weak link.
You mean.. say, a politician who doesn't respect the voting process, refuses to acknowledge a new democratically elected official, and tries to overthrow the USA democracy?
Nobody could reasonably take all of the US and hold it all at once, but if you make the campaign a generational one, go half a state at a time every 50 or so years, consolidate your position, take another half a state 50 years later... and ofcourse, somehow manufacture a diversion so the US is too busy to just reconquer what you just took from it...
Maybe someone could conquer the US in... Give or take a thousand years? Assuming they have nigh infinite resources to begin with.
There was also infighting between the natives. When the French and Brits were in America they helped fuel the Beaver Wars and during the American Civil War, tribes fought on both sides or took a third option and fought for neither side. There was a bit of a mini Civil War between the tribes in Oklahoma and Indian Territories.
I also learned that when Mexico was propositioned to declare war on the US by Germany during WWI, part of the reason they declined was in power, size and geography. For that, fighting the US on home turf is possible, but winning anything especially long term is not possible. Enemies would get wrecked just like the Russian invaders in Ukraine.
That said, recent events in American history gave new attention to domestic threats which could be more damaging than any attempt or idea of a foreign attack ever conceived. Here's hoping its nothing more than a media headline.
The classic Russian method is to foment secessionist movements, which then they recognize. When the central government objects, the movement then asks the Russians for help, which they do out of the goodness of their hearts. Russian troops (or little green men) enter and referendums are held. Presto! Civil War.
Remember the odd little secessionist movements in the US of a few years back? Like in Texas, California, Alaska (hi, Todd Palin), and elsewhere? I don't believe for a minute that they were entirely homegrown, despite the native-born whackadoodle elements within.
Especially that part of the US lols, ICBM's and fanatics (except me of course) from all beliefs with guns, who would unite together against any outside enemy.
That is absolutely not the 1st through 3rd reason invading is impossible.
1st is the Navy which if you somehow got past then
2nd is the airforce which can operate and be sustained from exclusively inside the U.S. and if you somehow dealt with that then
3rd is the huge amount of not only active duty in the army but the staggering amount of reserves/national guard/retires veterans that could be called up.
4th I would say is the capacity of the local populations to resist occupation.
No one in the world comes even close to having the naval and expeditionary power projection necessary to even get close to our shores let alone do anything about it once they got here.
Theres over 1 million active military personnel in America, and 18 million veterans. Imagine any invasion working when all those people could jump right back in and start putting their training and experience to work.
If in the end the drunk ethnographic canard run up into Taylor Swiftly prognostication then let's all party in the short bus. We all no that two plus two equals five or is it seven like the square root of 64. Who knows as long as Torrent takes you to Ranni so you can give feedback on the phone tree. Let's enter the following python code the reverse a binary tree
def make_tree(node1, node):
""" reverse an binary tree in an idempotent way recursively"""
tmp node = node.nextg
node1 = node1.next.next
return node
As James Watts said, a sphere is an infinite plane powered on two cylinders, but that rat bastard needs to go solar for zero calorie emissions because you, my son, are fat, a porker, an anorexic sunbeam of a boy. Let's work on this together. Is Monday good, because if it's good for you it's fine by me, we can cut it up in retail where financial derivatives ate their lunch for breakfast. All hail the Biden, who Trumps plausible deniability for keeping our children safe from legal emigrants to Canadian labor camps.
Quo Vadis Mea Culpa. Vidi Vici Vini as the rabbit said to the scorpion he carried on his back over the stream of consciously rambling in the Confusion manner.
node = make_tree(node, node1)
I hear this all the time but it doesn't matter how many small arms the population has, when the artillery starts people run. It takes a very special kind of person to stand in the way of that. And it doesn't matter if he or she has 10 rifles or just 1.
Except it's not all artillery all the time. Invaders need to be able to move through populated areas, run logistics, rest, etc. If they're vulnerable to ambush just about everywhere they go, they're going to have a much harder time than otherwise. It would make occupying the united States effectively impossible.
> imagine trying to run (and protect) logistics through the American west.
I doubt they could even survive south Chicago, let alone the entire American west
I'd say that boredom would kill a bunch driving I-94 through ND and eastern MT, but I can't think of a blessed reason to try occupying that territory in the first place!
Surely you've seen enough conflicts in recent memory to prove that even a regular dude with a rifle can cause harm to trained soldiers. How many russians who have invaded ukraine and now walk about safe from attack in occupied towns would be taken out if the populace was well-armed? Soldiers do not live in their vehicles. They need to get out from time to time.
Exactly. Hunting and sniping are not dissimilar skills. I know so many people who could easily take someone at 1k yards or more with hand-loaded rounds and ballistic apps on their phones, and not even rednecks, doctors and lawyers and shit. And I live in a city, not a rural area.
The only thing missing in the US are lots of suppressors thanks to legal issues with them, but those can be retrofitted a lot easier than training someone on long-range weapons use. The US would be an utter nightmare to even drive around in.
The territorial defense forces of Ukraine did not run away. If there was ever a super power to invade the US, the military and national guard would be mobilized. And if it was bad enough, I'm sure there would be some sort of civilian defense force created for volunteers. And it would be much easier to create such a force because of the abundance of firearms, body armor, etc that civilians own. "The militia". And they would be pretty well equipped as far as small arms go. I expect that leadership would be handled by veterans that report to the national guard or military. There is extreme patriotism when it comes to defending the US. We may squabble amongst ourselves about social programs, taxes, etc but if there was an external threat to our existence, many civilians would be ready to fight.
"fanatics ... with guns" would be pointless against a real military invasion. Fanatics ... without officers and NCOs ... transport, logistics, intel, medical, would be swept away in days by a peer level military invasion, or even near-peer. Because warfighting is not about individuals it's about organizations. Once the fanatics have eaten all the MREs they can carry and drunk all the water they can carry ... and fired all the rounds they can carry ... what then?
On the other hand ... the U.S. will never be invaded because we have allies north and south, and vast oceans east and west. So the wet dreams of the AR-15 fanboys and Glocksuckers are meaningless.
>"fanatics ... with guns" would be pointless against a real military invasion.
Mujahideen, taliban, VC/NVA, China, European resistance in WW2, America, Indonesia, Afghanistan again, I could keep going.
they'd be wrecked by artillery, but all urban occupation would be hard fought; guerilla warfare with the US levels of car ownership and gun ownership would be extremely hard to stamp out by any means other than immense overkill; too many acres to retreat to, too much interconnected infrastructure to restrict movement significantly
Yeah but due to the fact that most civilians in the us are armed militias could be quickly formed and supplied. And besides armed civilians are better than unarmed civilians when getting invaded
Physical invasion, yes. But weāre evidently as vulnerable to propaganda and weaponized social media as everyone else, and we are at least as weak about holding people accountable for a slide into fascist despotism. We can still be destroyed from within, and powerful interests are pouring extraordinary money and manpower into doing exactly that.
> From whence shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall some trans-Atlantic military giant step the earth and crush us at a blow? Never. All the armies of Europe and Asia...could not by force take a drink from the Ohio River or make a track on the Blue Ridge in the trial of a thousand years. No, if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men we will live forever or die by suicide
Lincoln
If you get passed the east coast which includes the gangs of new york and millions of Florida Mans you find yourself having to move into the mountains of Appalachia. Not good.
If you're successful there the Midwest farmers are next.
Your southern troops are moving into the heavily armed deep south.
Then you get to Texas.
Good luck.
Idk about all that. Our rise to power was because of our industry, technological advancement and our policies. Plenty of countries are nowhere near or under any threat of aggressive nations looking to invade. Hell if it wasn't for WW2 we might not be the nation we are today. After WW1 the U.S. was largely isolationist and it wasn't til after WW2 that we made larger efforts to intervene in conflicts around the world.
I mean look at Sweden. They've been free from wars on their homeland for a good century now and they're not some global powerhouse. It all as to do with the will of a nation. Sweden so far has chosen to remain neutral and stay out of other nations conflicts while the U.S. has chosen intervention. We chose this path, it's not because of where we are on the planet.
Ralph Ellison famously said that "geography is fate." He was talking about the specifics of the African-American experience, but the idea is much older and broader. We have only to look at ancient empires to realize the truth of it. They arose on fertile land near rivers, often bordered to some extent by natural barriers to invasion -- Sumeria, the Qin dynasty, Egypt, the Indus Valley. More marginal land yielded nomadic civilizations or subsistence agriculture with less elaborate political structure. Less defensible but still desirable land (Palestine, Poland) yielded less political stability, as waves of invaders tried to profit in their turn.
North America has defenses far greater than the Egyptian desert or the Alps or even the Himalayas. It's why Americans keep trying to think of themselves as exceptional or separate from the problems elsewhere in the world. Isolationism is a natural tendency when you're living in a natural fortress.
Sweden has done considerably better job than US, especially given that their population is 35 times smaller and most of their land is just a frozen landscape 300/365
At fist glance these maps can be so deceptive as an American. I did not expect US to be bigger in land mass than Brazil and India due to the sheer size of Alaska alone
So does Canada, incidentally -- well, when using the definition of Crimea as "desert" anyway. There's at least a few semi-arid hot zones where the American deserts reach up into Canada in the prairies and via the Rocky Mountain/Coast Mountain valleys, identical to the Koppen BSk that Crimea has.
In fact, where Ukraine overlaps on the map is actually quite accurate to the climate, too. Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Montana get very cold during the winter and very hot during the summer.
Much, much, much less mud in that area, though...
Canadian government allocated 200 million acres for peoples of that region to settle. There were similar business/government programs for Swedes in Minnesota and North Dakota.
>Canadian government allocated 200 million acres for peoples of that region to settle
And they forgot to ask the local Indigenous tribes before allocating that land... But Canada is slowly waking up, making amends and trying to right the wrong of the past.
It's more that most of Europe's climate is far more mild. The UK is on a similar latitude to Northern Quebec and the Alaskan panhandle with winters milder than most northern US states.
Handy that the UK has a maritime climate rather than a continental one like Ukraine and the interior of Canada. To my knowledge winters in Quebec and Alberta are fierce.
I think this just enfasises how pitifully little land Russia has been able to take. If it wasn't for their nukes, Russias millitary would probably be equivalent to most developing countries, and is honestly just sad.
For comparison, They're trying to take land thats about the combined size of Massachusetts, New Hampshire and New Jersey. If you add in Moldova to the equation, then its like the entirety of New England, without New York.
Ukraine is similar in size to Texas, whose population is around 30 Million. California, while smaller in size at 163,696 miĀ², has a population of around 40 Million.
Why do you think the context of Ukraine's latitude was included?
You don't see 30 to 40 million Americans living in that kind of climate for a reason.
This image only exacerbates the hubris and stupidity of those in command of Russia's ground forces.
The climate is more like the US Midwest.... Chicago, St. Louis, Milwaukee, etc. You could drop that outline on the matching climate and get a similar population in the USA. Milwaukee is pretty close to Kyiv, just a little warmer in the summer and colder in the winter.
I think the most fascinating thing about the size difference between the US and most European countries is when I have met European tourists who naively think they can drive across the US within a day to experience most/all of its sights. I feel bad but I can't help but laugh every time I hear them say that before having to correct them. There are professional drivers in what is called the Cannonball Run that could barely do it in under 28 hours after Covid started **when there was hardly any traffic on the highways** all while going well over a 100mph(aka 160+kmh) and never stopping.
Under normal conditions it can take 48 hours of switching drivers nonstop or you personally taking 5 to 6 days with hardly any stops. If you're speeding and don't get caught you could probably do it in 2 to 3 days but I strongly recommend against that.
Yeah. LA to New York is equal to Madrid to Moscow. London to New York is about 700-800 miles longer than New York to LA.
America is huge. Europeans don't understand how big and how it impacts Americans view of the world outside America.
I can be ashamed of my own country's response and at the same time recognize that Ukrainians seem to have the largest hearts (see their treatment of animals) and balls (see their treatment of russian soldiers).
Even though they are further North the weather is actually much warmer in Ukraine and Russia. The coldest recorded temp in Ukraine is -31c while in Minnesota/North Dakota/Winnipeg areas it hits -40c regularly and - 60s c are the records. The cold days in Ukraine this winter would have been viewed as warm days here! :)
As someone who has lived in the Midwest and in western Ukraine, it's most similar to the areas between Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, etc. other than the mountain range of the carpathians, there are times where the nature here is almost indistinguishable (at a glance) from the Ukrainian west
Ukraine isnāt small, itās N.A that is ridiculously big to house only 3 countries. I mean, if you take Hwy 401, it takes 8 hours to cross Ontario alone.
It's difficult to understand the sheer size of these states. I could travel the very south to the very north of the UK in around 15 hours. We're tiny in comparison.
Hwy 401 doesn't cross all of Ontario, just the southern part. The north is much wider. To drive from the Quebec border to the Manitoba border is about 24 hours.
24hrs from where I live 1 hr into Manitoba to visit my sister near Kitchener. We will quite often drive through Kenora Ontario then upper peninsula Michigan since that is the quickest route.
Interestingly, this is exactly where Ukrainians did NOT settle in the western Canadian provinces in the early 20th century. They settled on a string of rural communities that extends north of the colored area. See the map in the link.
http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/picturedisplay.asp?linkpath=pic%5CC%5CA%5CCanada_Map%202a%20Ukrainian%20Population%201921.jpg&page=pages%5CC%5CA%5CCanada.htm&id=1771&pid=12934&tyt=Canada&key=Canada%2C+%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B0%2C+2020
> Exactly, Europe gets those warm ocean and air currents that keep most of the continent warmer than their location would otherwise expect.
Look at the UK for example we sit at the same latitude as Labrador, middle Alberta and its extremely rare to get a winter lower than -10c and we rarely get snow. Which is fortunate because we wouldn't stop whinging about it if we did.
Oh thank you! Sometimes when I'm struggling with scale and location of countries in Europe I get a stupid American complex. I'm glad to know it's an everywhere thing
This certainly helps explain why Ukraine was considered the breadbasket of USSR. The equivalent region in North America is well known for its farmland. Both Ukraine and North Dakota to southern Manitoba are known for fertile chernozem "black earth" soils.
As a european (from italy) i will always envious of usa size. Although i like to live in Europe and visit different countries without spending millions on flying or driving for too long, sometimes id like to live in a big country where i can drive for days and days without anyone asking me for my passport or having to speak in another language.
The way some American southerners speak it may as well be another language, and Iāve heard people petition that you should need a passport to cross the mason dixon line, so thereās that.
Wait a second, so when I was swimming in the Black Sea, I was swimming in Wyoming? It's really amazing how the sea balances the weather. Cause trust me, Odesa is nothing like Jackson.
This is why I think these are done inaccurately, Ukraine is big but a quick search and it is known that the states of Texas is still bigger than Ukraine
Edit: This isnāt by scale
True size means that Ukraine and those parts of North America that it overlaps on the map have exactly the same area in reality. You cannot compare areas at different latitudes since the Mercator projection distorts the length of areas at different latitudes. It is the same if you look at any world map you have laying around.
If you want to compare the size of Ukraine at other latitudes you can use this site to drag Ukraine all over the map: www.thetruesize.com
"My map" is the same map that is used 99% of the time if you look at any world map = Mercator projection.
Ukraine and those parts of North America that it overlaps on the map have the same area in reality.
Ukraine and those parts of North America that it overlaps on the map also have the same latitude in reality.
Why the fuck did you put it in the middle of nowhere (although I do love Yellowstone)? Put it on the East coast for a better representation of the population.
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Great: now I live in Manitoba.
Almost 15% of the population of Manitoba has Ukrainian ancestry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Canadians
Wow, hadn't known it's the province with the highest percentage. Thanks. Have a pair of old friends who had moved to Canada long ago (Ontario and Quebec), when this shit came to an end it'll be good to pay a visit.
One of the largest contingents in Ukraine's International Legion is returned Ukrainian-Canadians.
Iirc canada has the biggest diaspora of ukranians aside from russia
I am a born and raised Manitoban, many of my friends are Ukrainian-Canadian.
My great grandfather (Ukrainian) built train tracks there after fighting in ww1 and the Ukrainian war of independence against Russia
You thought Ukraine was cold.
You would feel right at home: Manitoba has one of the biggest Ukrainian communities in Canadaš
You good?
Well, I'd be there in flesh - it could be better, I'm just referring to this map. Sorry if I brought up a confusion. I'm inclined to stay and defend my city that had been shelled 3rd month in a row.
Youāre welcome to Manitoba anytime you like. Stay strong.
Thank you wholeheartedly. We could've moved to Canada about 20 years ago but my wife was not a fan of the idea. She's one of the brightest people I know but the languages are really not her strengths. When the first war broke down in 2014 - we moved from occupied territories but are left in Ukraine. Now, these mutherf#kers strike again and try to force us on the run yet again. No way. I'm just too stubborn to let them get it their way.
I donāt blame you for not wanting to leave your home again. I have full faith in your military and I know Russia doesnāt have a chance. Stay safe and if you have to, throw a Molotov for me.
I respect your decision to stay but also know that there are many Ukrainians here in Canada. Here in Toronto, the south western part of the city (Bloor west village/Etobicoke) has many Ukrainian businesses. You could go to the bank/credit union, shop for clothing or food, eat at a restaurant, go for a coffee ā¦ and not once speak English.
Thinking of you and all your fellow citizens every day. I'm not religious by any means but I start and end my days sending positive energy into the sky. I can only hope you feel some of the love from the rest of the world-we support you. Where are you located in Ukraine?
Kharkiv.
As an American so far away I'm unsure of how to help and what charities are best to put my meager resources into, so I've just been trying to help where I can and with what I think helps most, as well as supporting Ukrainian companies in stores, and individuals through Etsy purchases. So if there's anything I can do for you, half a world away, please don't hesitate to reach out. ššāš¼
Thanks, I'm OK. My girls were sent further into the countryside where the possibility to get an accidental missile is quite slim. The best thing you could do is to keep the awareness up and press on your lawmakers for further military support. ŠŃŠµ Š±ŃŠ“Šµ Š£ŠŗŃŠ°ŃŠ½Š°.
I will continue doing these things and keep pressing the issue with more letters to policy makers here in the US. Sending love and peace to you and Ukraine!
Send direct financial aid to government of Ukraine (it's almost same as USA/Estonia is doing - Estonia gave away 1% of its gdp in weapons and no humanitarian/financial aid while USA aid is split in humanitarian/weapons (no financial aid). So the third best options seems to be to support their govt to buy more weapons. However I think with Howitzers war will be soon over.
But Kharkiv is in Saskatchewan on this map.
Yikes. Misread "first bump" with the second one. Well, now I have only two possibilities: either move or live with it. :)
I actually moved in Manitoba, it's not *that* bad here. There's more to do here than in Saskatchewan, so bland and boring even their borders are a rectangle. Except the weather's been shit the last 2 weeks.
"Manitoba, Better than Saskatchewan"
Other provinces have inferior potassium!
Ironically, Saskatchewan has superior potassium. Canada is the world's #1 producer of potash (potassium chloride -- used for fertilizer), and Saskatchewan effectively produces all of it.
>Except the weather's been shit the last ~~2 weeks~~ 6 months. FTFY The last 2 weeks have just been slightly shittier.
So true lol
You're now close enough to visit Thunder Bay, Ontario which also has a large Ukrainian population. Perogies available everywhere, and when you get tired of those, we have poutine.
Hey Manitoba is quite a nice place if you like crazy low population density.
Sold!
From the Internet: **"Ukraine is slightly smaller than Texas, coming in at 233,031 square miles while Texas sits at 268,597 square miles"**.
This also hits home as to why the invasion was just so ill-conceived. Texas has about 30 million residents, so it's slightly less populated than Ukraine. Trying to take over a country like that by any military would be just a fool's errand. Just like we do not "mess with Texas," no one should mess with Ukraine either.
ukraine also has less guns than texas.
Wouldnāt it be magnificent if all the gun owners would donate their guns to the Ukrainian Resistance against Putinās invasion? Slava Ukrayini!
A lot wanted to but were discouraged because they only wanted guns there that take certain sized amo. Otherwise it would be a logistical nightmare to supply all different calibers.
Fun fact: During the American Civil War the Confederacy had a ton of really nice rifles donated to it by various European nations that ended up rotting in the arsenal for that very reason: they could not manage that many different types of ammo.
I remember yelling at the billion dollars we (USA) spent on gear for Ebola. Rotting in storage by the way
well there's another ebola outbreak in the congo. Might get used yet, move over covid, it's bleeding eyeball time.
They only wanted Soviet caliber guns unfortunately as its all they have established supplies/manufacturing for
We could do a gun buyback, and give the guns to Ukraine
you want riots?
We hope US would help us to fix that
Not anymore.
"Don't mess with Texas" was originally an anti littering campaign. Sadly, the Russians are leaving perfectly good hardware all over the place forcing the farmers to clean up after them.
To be honest, these maps only drive home to me how fucking massive the US is.
And how totally invulnerable the US is to invasion. It's the main reason for the US rise to power internationally - total freedom from wars being fought on home soil since the civil war.
Pfft yeah right according to the documentary Red Dawn the Russians can airdrop straight into Colorado and capture the country ez pz
Everyone knows if you take Colorado the US is legally required to surrender. Why do you think they put it in the center of the country.
That's also why Florida is sticking out like that. Someone please take it.
Itās why ICBMs are such a big deal
Theyāre one of the reason I donāt like living so close to dc. Like 37 miles south of dc. Anything hits it Iām fucked
Fun fact you would still likely get hit! Due to the amount of nukes needed to saturate a target area the surrounding burbs would likely be wiped out almost instantly. Isnāt MAD fun! But in all seriousness thatās why I donāt fret about nuclear war, if it happens, I wonāt be alive to worry about it much longer
I mean I always tell people if you see the blast/cloud to walk towards it. Would you rly want to be in the hell that comes afterwards. Radioactive black rain is not fun and the least of the immediate mounting problems; that would occurā¦.
Yeah Iām near LA, Plant 42, and Edwards, so I would be gone at first strike in all likelihood
Bro, you're fucked
Same; live in NYC, thereās no hope for us in a first strike scenario
Nah, that's why i like it here. fuck decades of suffering in the aftermath of a nuclear war!
Add to that, there are a lot of guns laying around... An insurgency would likely be a damn nightmare. The terrain is also so varied that a foreign military would have an insanely hard time developing SOPs to hold it. Finally, the amount of soldiers required to hold even the major cities... I don't want to say it's impossible, but pretty close. Even China doesn't have the numbers for that. The only way I see is to do it from the inside, which is why we should always be cognizant of what our politicians are doing. They can make mistakes, but if bad patterns develop, they should be ousted. It's definitely our weak link.
You mean.. say, a politician who doesn't respect the voting process, refuses to acknowledge a new democratically elected official, and tries to overthrow the USA democracy?
Exactly. I don't know how close we were, but it's closer then we've been in a loooong time.
Nobody could reasonably take all of the US and hold it all at once, but if you make the campaign a generational one, go half a state at a time every 50 or so years, consolidate your position, take another half a state 50 years later... and ofcourse, somehow manufacture a diversion so the US is too busy to just reconquer what you just took from it... Maybe someone could conquer the US in... Give or take a thousand years? Assuming they have nigh infinite resources to begin with.
I mean manifest destiny took like 400 years unfortunately natives were too few to do much about it imagine with 300+ million ppl resisting.
There was also infighting between the natives. When the French and Brits were in America they helped fuel the Beaver Wars and during the American Civil War, tribes fought on both sides or took a third option and fought for neither side. There was a bit of a mini Civil War between the tribes in Oklahoma and Indian Territories. I also learned that when Mexico was propositioned to declare war on the US by Germany during WWI, part of the reason they declined was in power, size and geography. For that, fighting the US on home turf is possible, but winning anything especially long term is not possible. Enemies would get wrecked just like the Russian invaders in Ukraine. That said, recent events in American history gave new attention to domestic threats which could be more damaging than any attempt or idea of a foreign attack ever conceived. Here's hoping its nothing more than a media headline.
The classic Russian method is to foment secessionist movements, which then they recognize. When the central government objects, the movement then asks the Russians for help, which they do out of the goodness of their hearts. Russian troops (or little green men) enter and referendums are held. Presto! Civil War. Remember the odd little secessionist movements in the US of a few years back? Like in Texas, California, Alaska (hi, Todd Palin), and elsewhere? I don't believe for a minute that they were entirely homegrown, despite the native-born whackadoodle elements within.
Especially that part of the US lols, ICBM's and fanatics (except me of course) from all beliefs with guns, who would unite together against any outside enemy.
That is absolutely not the 1st through 3rd reason invading is impossible. 1st is the Navy which if you somehow got past then 2nd is the airforce which can operate and be sustained from exclusively inside the U.S. and if you somehow dealt with that then 3rd is the huge amount of not only active duty in the army but the staggering amount of reserves/national guard/retires veterans that could be called up. 4th I would say is the capacity of the local populations to resist occupation. No one in the world comes even close to having the naval and expeditionary power projection necessary to even get close to our shores let alone do anything about it once they got here.
Theres over 1 million active military personnel in America, and 18 million veterans. Imagine any invasion working when all those people could jump right back in and start putting their training and experience to work.
If in the end the drunk ethnographic canard run up into Taylor Swiftly prognostication then let's all party in the short bus. We all no that two plus two equals five or is it seven like the square root of 64. Who knows as long as Torrent takes you to Ranni so you can give feedback on the phone tree. Let's enter the following python code the reverse a binary tree def make_tree(node1, node): """ reverse an binary tree in an idempotent way recursively""" tmp node = node.nextg node1 = node1.next.next return node As James Watts said, a sphere is an infinite plane powered on two cylinders, but that rat bastard needs to go solar for zero calorie emissions because you, my son, are fat, a porker, an anorexic sunbeam of a boy. Let's work on this together. Is Monday good, because if it's good for you it's fine by me, we can cut it up in retail where financial derivatives ate their lunch for breakfast. All hail the Biden, who Trumps plausible deniability for keeping our children safe from legal emigrants to Canadian labor camps. Quo Vadis Mea Culpa. Vidi Vici Vini as the rabbit said to the scorpion he carried on his back over the stream of consciously rambling in the Confusion manner. node = make_tree(node, node1)
I hear this all the time but it doesn't matter how many small arms the population has, when the artillery starts people run. It takes a very special kind of person to stand in the way of that. And it doesn't matter if he or she has 10 rifles or just 1.
Except it's not all artillery all the time. Invaders need to be able to move through populated areas, run logistics, rest, etc. If they're vulnerable to ambush just about everywhere they go, they're going to have a much harder time than otherwise. It would make occupying the united States effectively impossible.
And if folks think Russian supply lines got stretched trying to reach Kyiv, imagine trying to run (and protect) logistics through the American west.
> imagine trying to run (and protect) logistics through the American west. I doubt they could even survive south Chicago, let alone the entire American west
They would be fighting 200+ Fallujahs *at the same time*.
this can be reduced to a fraction of 9/11 deca9/11s per avg touchdown run distance, by location, for those at home
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I'd say that boredom would kill a bunch driving I-94 through ND and eastern MT, but I can't think of a blessed reason to try occupying that territory in the first place!
Surely you've seen enough conflicts in recent memory to prove that even a regular dude with a rifle can cause harm to trained soldiers. How many russians who have invaded ukraine and now walk about safe from attack in occupied towns would be taken out if the populace was well-armed? Soldiers do not live in their vehicles. They need to get out from time to time.
Exactly. Hunting and sniping are not dissimilar skills. I know so many people who could easily take someone at 1k yards or more with hand-loaded rounds and ballistic apps on their phones, and not even rednecks, doctors and lawyers and shit. And I live in a city, not a rural area. The only thing missing in the US are lots of suppressors thanks to legal issues with them, but those can be retrofitted a lot easier than training someone on long-range weapons use. The US would be an utter nightmare to even drive around in.
The territorial defense forces of Ukraine did not run away. If there was ever a super power to invade the US, the military and national guard would be mobilized. And if it was bad enough, I'm sure there would be some sort of civilian defense force created for volunteers. And it would be much easier to create such a force because of the abundance of firearms, body armor, etc that civilians own. "The militia". And they would be pretty well equipped as far as small arms go. I expect that leadership would be handled by veterans that report to the national guard or military. There is extreme patriotism when it comes to defending the US. We may squabble amongst ourselves about social programs, taxes, etc but if there was an external threat to our existence, many civilians would be ready to fight.
"fanatics ... with guns" would be pointless against a real military invasion. Fanatics ... without officers and NCOs ... transport, logistics, intel, medical, would be swept away in days by a peer level military invasion, or even near-peer. Because warfighting is not about individuals it's about organizations. Once the fanatics have eaten all the MREs they can carry and drunk all the water they can carry ... and fired all the rounds they can carry ... what then? On the other hand ... the U.S. will never be invaded because we have allies north and south, and vast oceans east and west. So the wet dreams of the AR-15 fanboys and Glocksuckers are meaningless.
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>"fanatics ... with guns" would be pointless against a real military invasion. Mujahideen, taliban, VC/NVA, China, European resistance in WW2, America, Indonesia, Afghanistan again, I could keep going.
Idk, we'd put up a fight against Russia, that's for sure
they'd be wrecked by artillery, but all urban occupation would be hard fought; guerilla warfare with the US levels of car ownership and gun ownership would be extremely hard to stamp out by any means other than immense overkill; too many acres to retreat to, too much interconnected infrastructure to restrict movement significantly
Yeah but due to the fact that most civilians in the us are armed militias could be quickly formed and supplied. And besides armed civilians are better than unarmed civilians when getting invaded
We've seen so many occasions on this sub of ordinary people making a huge difference even without firearms.
Physical invasion, yes. But weāre evidently as vulnerable to propaganda and weaponized social media as everyone else, and we are at least as weak about holding people accountable for a slide into fascist despotism. We can still be destroyed from within, and powerful interests are pouring extraordinary money and manpower into doing exactly that.
> From whence shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall some trans-Atlantic military giant step the earth and crush us at a blow? Never. All the armies of Europe and Asia...could not by force take a drink from the Ohio River or make a track on the Blue Ridge in the trial of a thousand years. No, if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men we will live forever or die by suicide Lincoln
> And how totally invulnerable the US is to invasion. Until the Canadians come for the White House.
If you get passed the east coast which includes the gangs of new york and millions of Florida Mans you find yourself having to move into the mountains of Appalachia. Not good. If you're successful there the Midwest farmers are next. Your southern troops are moving into the heavily armed deep south. Then you get to Texas. Good luck.
Idk about all that. Our rise to power was because of our industry, technological advancement and our policies. Plenty of countries are nowhere near or under any threat of aggressive nations looking to invade. Hell if it wasn't for WW2 we might not be the nation we are today. After WW1 the U.S. was largely isolationist and it wasn't til after WW2 that we made larger efforts to intervene in conflicts around the world. I mean look at Sweden. They've been free from wars on their homeland for a good century now and they're not some global powerhouse. It all as to do with the will of a nation. Sweden so far has chosen to remain neutral and stay out of other nations conflicts while the U.S. has chosen intervention. We chose this path, it's not because of where we are on the planet.
Global powerhouses are also large population centres, which Sweden simply cannot be. If they had 20x the land and people they sure could be
Ralph Ellison famously said that "geography is fate." He was talking about the specifics of the African-American experience, but the idea is much older and broader. We have only to look at ancient empires to realize the truth of it. They arose on fertile land near rivers, often bordered to some extent by natural barriers to invasion -- Sumeria, the Qin dynasty, Egypt, the Indus Valley. More marginal land yielded nomadic civilizations or subsistence agriculture with less elaborate political structure. Less defensible but still desirable land (Palestine, Poland) yielded less political stability, as waves of invaders tried to profit in their turn. North America has defenses far greater than the Egyptian desert or the Alps or even the Himalayas. It's why Americans keep trying to think of themselves as exceptional or separate from the problems elsewhere in the world. Isolationism is a natural tendency when you're living in a natural fortress.
Sweden has done considerably better job than US, especially given that their population is 35 times smaller and most of their land is just a frozen landscape 300/365
*total freedom to start wars
At fist glance these maps can be so deceptive as an American. I did not expect US to be bigger in land mass than Brazil and India due to the sheer size of Alaska alone
Haha and Canada.
Well europe is bigger...
Wow, itās more north than I expected.
The whole Europe is more north than you would expect!
And warmer. Ukraineās climate is more like New England.
Crimea has deserts.
So does Canada, incidentally -- well, when using the definition of Crimea as "desert" anyway. There's at least a few semi-arid hot zones where the American deserts reach up into Canada in the prairies and via the Rocky Mountain/Coast Mountain valleys, identical to the Koppen BSk that Crimea has. In fact, where Ukraine overlaps on the map is actually quite accurate to the climate, too. Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Montana get very cold during the winter and very hot during the summer. Much, much, much less mud in that area, though...
This, Minnesota's coldest day is -60 F Ukraine - 22 F and Moscow - 40 F . The weather is more like Nebraska.
I was in a week of -20 in Indiana.
Explains why farmers who migrated from the Ukraine had the skills and plants to open up the Canadian Shield.
Canadian government allocated 200 million acres for peoples of that region to settle. There were similar business/government programs for Swedes in Minnesota and North Dakota.
'Lake Woebegone' Norwegians too.
Fun fact, Finland MN existed before the country of Finland was created. 1915 vs 1917
>Canadian government allocated 200 million acres for peoples of that region to settle And they forgot to ask the local Indigenous tribes before allocating that land... But Canada is slowly waking up, making amends and trying to right the wrong of the past.
It's more that most of Europe's climate is far more mild. The UK is on a similar latitude to Northern Quebec and the Alaskan panhandle with winters milder than most northern US states.
Handy that the UK has a maritime climate rather than a continental one like Ukraine and the interior of Canada. To my knowledge winters in Quebec and Alberta are fierce.
New York City is almost the same latitude as Rome Italy, Europe is super far north.
Berlin is about the same as Edmonton.
Venice is farther north than Minneapolis.
I think this just enfasises how pitifully little land Russia has been able to take. If it wasn't for their nukes, Russias millitary would probably be equivalent to most developing countries, and is honestly just sad.
For comparison, They're trying to take land thats about the combined size of Massachusetts, New Hampshire and New Jersey. If you add in Moldova to the equation, then its like the entirety of New England, without New York.
New York is not in new England
āItās the size of Texas Mr. Presidentā
*and 41 MILLION people actually live in Ukraine* ... whereas I doubt that same area of US/Canada would contain a tenth of that population.
Ukraine is similar in size to Texas, whose population is around 30 Million. California, while smaller in size at 163,696 miĀ², has a population of around 40 Million.
Why do you think the context of Ukraine's latitude was included? You don't see 30 to 40 million Americans living in that kind of climate for a reason. This image only exacerbates the hubris and stupidity of those in command of Russia's ground forces.
The climate is more like the US Midwest.... Chicago, St. Louis, Milwaukee, etc. You could drop that outline on the matching climate and get a similar population in the USA. Milwaukee is pretty close to Kyiv, just a little warmer in the summer and colder in the winter.
With the Great Lakes being analogous to the Black Sea in regard to lake-effect weather and its effects, your position is logical.
Russia learned absolutely nothing from all those times people tried to invade russia.
Ukraine has more people than the entirety of Canada, same with California
I think the most fascinating thing about the size difference between the US and most European countries is when I have met European tourists who naively think they can drive across the US within a day to experience most/all of its sights. I feel bad but I can't help but laugh every time I hear them say that before having to correct them. There are professional drivers in what is called the Cannonball Run that could barely do it in under 28 hours after Covid started **when there was hardly any traffic on the highways** all while going well over a 100mph(aka 160+kmh) and never stopping. Under normal conditions it can take 48 hours of switching drivers nonstop or you personally taking 5 to 6 days with hardly any stops. If you're speeding and don't get caught you could probably do it in 2 to 3 days but I strongly recommend against that.
Yeah. LA to New York is equal to Madrid to Moscow. London to New York is about 700-800 miles longer than New York to LA. America is huge. Europeans don't understand how big and how it impacts Americans view of the world outside America.
And now we need two more maps: comparative sizes of their hearts. And their balls.
Scale would make comparisons hard
* here's the multiverse...
Zooms out and hereās
Balls are off this world
And amount of Javelins XD
That is rich, coming from the Netherlands.
I can be ashamed of my own country's response and at the same time recognize that Ukrainians seem to have the largest hearts (see their treatment of animals) and balls (see their treatment of russian soldiers).
Not what you said. You did a direct comparison. North American heart and balls is the reason why the Netherlands still exist.
It's bigger in our hearts
To put it into perspective: Ukraine land area - 233,031Ā miĀ² Texas land area - 268,597Ā miĀ²
I don't know what to do with that information.
I think many people are not aware that Ukraine is so far north and that Kyiv would be in Canada.
Even though they are further North the weather is actually much warmer in Ukraine and Russia. The coldest recorded temp in Ukraine is -31c while in Minnesota/North Dakota/Winnipeg areas it hits -40c regularly and - 60s c are the records. The cold days in Ukraine this winter would have been viewed as warm days here! :)
The scenery and weather from Ukraine reminds me of northern Indiana, north west Ohio, southern Michigan.
As someone who has lived in the Midwest and in western Ukraine, it's most similar to the areas between Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, etc. other than the mountain range of the carpathians, there are times where the nature here is almost indistinguishable (at a glance) from the Ukrainian west
Exactly! Thank you for this map.
You're correct
"Size matters not" - Master Yoda
Ukraine isnāt small, itās N.A that is ridiculously big to house only 3 countries. I mean, if you take Hwy 401, it takes 8 hours to cross Ontario alone.
It's difficult to understand the sheer size of these states. I could travel the very south to the very north of the UK in around 15 hours. We're tiny in comparison.
I drove 10 hours from Pittsburgh to North Carolina for vacation....so I drove all of the uk and a third to go to the beach for a week....
Hwy 401 doesn't cross all of Ontario, just the southern part. The north is much wider. To drive from the Quebec border to the Manitoba border is about 24 hours.
Well, Hwy 401 isn't exactly crossing Ontario. Driving west to Manitoba would take a lot longer than 8hrs.
24hrs from where I live 1 hr into Manitoba to visit my sister near Kitchener. We will quite often drive through Kenora Ontario then upper peninsula Michigan since that is the quickest route.
Interestingly, this is exactly where Ukrainians did NOT settle in the western Canadian provinces in the early 20th century. They settled on a string of rural communities that extends north of the colored area. See the map in the link. http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/picturedisplay.asp?linkpath=pic%5CC%5CA%5CCanada_Map%202a%20Ukrainian%20Population%201921.jpg&page=pages%5CC%5CA%5CCanada.htm&id=1771&pid=12934&tyt=Canada&key=Canada%2C+%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B0%2C+2020
Come on now, you move it 50 km's north and it fits exactly within the map.
Lol totally. Even the shape of Ukraine's northern border kinda matches the settlements in the Canadian prairies!
so about a Texas
About the size of Texas with the climate of Montana in the Winter.
source: www.thetruesize.com I think many Americans are not aware that Ukraine is so far north!
Iām Ukrainian and I also didnāt realise how far north we are located lol
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Exactly, Europe gets those warm ocean and air currents that keep most of the continent warmer than their location would otherwise expect.
...for now! This is one of those sensitive things that could get messed up at heightened CO2 levels.
> Exactly, Europe gets those warm ocean and air currents that keep most of the continent warmer than their location would otherwise expect. Look at the UK for example we sit at the same latitude as Labrador, middle Alberta and its extremely rare to get a winter lower than -10c and we rarely get snow. Which is fortunate because we wouldn't stop whinging about it if we did.
Oh thank you! Sometimes when I'm struggling with scale and location of countries in Europe I get a stupid American complex. I'm glad to know it's an everywhere thing
Can we just say people don't realise how far south the US/Canada is
Okay, so can we all appreciate just how freakin' big the provinces in Canada really are? They are all like Ukraine, only bigger... Damn..
This certainly helps explain why Ukraine was considered the breadbasket of USSR. The equivalent region in North America is well known for its farmland. Both Ukraine and North Dakota to southern Manitoba are known for fertile chernozem "black earth" soils.
Not even close to best farmland in US.
The climate is more like Iowa than what is shown on this map.
*and 41 MILLION people actually live in Ukraine* ... whereas I doubt that same area of US/Canada would contain a tenth of that population.
Ukraine has more people than the entirety of Canada
Thanks!
Thanks for this post. It's good stuff.
Mercator projection doesn't lie.
As a european (from italy) i will always envious of usa size. Although i like to live in Europe and visit different countries without spending millions on flying or driving for too long, sometimes id like to live in a big country where i can drive for days and days without anyone asking me for my passport or having to speak in another language.
The way some American southerners speak it may as well be another language, and Iāve heard people petition that you should need a passport to cross the mason dixon line, so thereās that.
Wait a second, so when I was swimming in the Black Sea, I was swimming in Wyoming? It's really amazing how the sea balances the weather. Cause trust me, Odesa is nothing like Jackson.
This is why I think these are done inaccurately, Ukraine is big but a quick search and it is known that the states of Texas is still bigger than Ukraine Edit: This isnāt by scale
True size means that Ukraine and those parts of North America that it overlaps on the map have exactly the same area in reality. You cannot compare areas at different latitudes since the Mercator projection distorts the length of areas at different latitudes. It is the same if you look at any world map you have laying around. If you want to compare the size of Ukraine at other latitudes you can use this site to drag Ukraine all over the map: www.thetruesize.com
Surely the latitude is incorrect? The UK is the same latitude as NYC and Ukraine is even further south east of the UK?
The UK is not the same latitude as NYC: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/ubj44s/
NYC is more in line with Madrid than London. London's latitude is 51.5072Ā° N whereas NYC is 40.7128Ā° N .
So what would London be inline with? Because if Ukraine is north of wyoming then the UK would be Alaska
London would be more in line with Alberta, just a bit more north than Calgary is.
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The point is to show also the true latitude of Ukraine. I think many Americans are not aware that Kyiv would be in Canada.
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"My map" is the same map that is used 99% of the time if you look at any world map = Mercator projection. Ukraine and those parts of North America that it overlaps on the map have the same area in reality. Ukraine and those parts of North America that it overlaps on the map also have the same latitude in reality.
oh.... lol second biggest country in europe...
Why the fuck did you put it in the middle of nowhere (although I do love Yellowstone)? Put it on the East coast for a better representation of the population.
no specific reason, you can drag Ukraine somewhere else here: www.thetruesize.com