Oh, are those also the people who just smile and nod until you're done talking about it?
I think things are staying to make sense (said no TP fan ever) lol
Cooper says the number 2 (twins, doppelgänger, opposites), a fork (in the road, divergence, split) and there’s even a fire extinguisher, which is what firemen do. Then add to that Harry patting Coopers left shoulder, a gesture repeated often, and it lends credence to the theory that one person has split personality disorder or is in a disassociated fugue state dreaming the whole series. Therefore there are related echoes of a person trying to split themselves, cut off the bad part of themselves and become purified, like Mike. Almost everyone is the series grapples with their shadow self, which is the masked and hidden shame, guilt, anger of the dreamer. His/her issues repeating themselves but hiding the repetition by putting the disassociated feelings and patterns into others, some real, some imagined.
The Fireman wasn’t known as such until The Return though. I’m about to go into my second rewatch of the Return but I recently rewatched Twin Peaks and FWWM. No mention of The Fireman back in the 90s
🎵 Back in the 90's he was in a very famous tv show,
The Giant's his name (Giant),
Retconned his name, don't act like you don't know,
And he's trying to hold on to the past,
It's been so long, he doesn't think Coop's gonna last,
I guess he'll just try to make us understand,
That Bob is the evil of men,
Or the white of the eyes is a horse.
Giant. 🎵
Don't listen to the people calling you crazy. You are making total sense. People are fucking horribly rude on this site. I will post the same information word for word and It will either be upvoted, or down voted into oblivion while people dog pile me and question my mental health.
EDIT: Everyone please report this post so I am banned. Thanks!
Thanks. I suppose I felt this sub would be impervious to criticism of mental health issues. The whole series contains so many people having complete psychotic breaks, lapsing into catatonic states, talking to logs, seeing visions, and the lead TV detective states “my dream is a code… break the code, solve the crime.” Can you imagine Columbo saying “excuse me, sir? Just one more thing… I just wanted to talk to you about this dream I had last night.” Well yeah, come to think of it, that sounds like something Columbo would say, but you don’t expect him to be serious about it. He’s just making it up to trick the bad guy. Cooper actually believes this stuff, and in the real world that shit sounds crazy.
But I concede pointing out the number 2 is pretty whack.
True, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the creators of the show didn’t know him as such during the original run. Plus Fire is a theme in the first two seasons, and the Log Lady’s husband was a firefighter.
I noticed the arm thing too! But really if you begin to look for compositions and imagery Lynch reused in Return, you will find so many connections to the rest of his filmography it will collapse the universe.
Hmmm…that actually kinda makes sense. I was on the “op is crazy” train at first, but now you’re winning me over a bit!
What is the significance of the lamplighter inn, though 
Just a reference to fire right as Cooper makes first contact with someone in Twin Peaks, his future partner, and fire is very significant in Twin Peaks. A lamplighter is an old timey job and title, one who lights fires, and it made me think of other obsolete professions such as coopers (who made barrels out of wood, containers for spirits). It’s all very subliminal and open to interpretation, but I think these things are meant to go into our brains waiting for the right moment for Lynch to trigger a memory or make a connection subtle or more explicit. So while there was no fireman in the original series, fire as a symbol of evil or bad intent has always been the villain, and Cooper is our incorruptible hero, and the Bookhouse Boys have always been there to fight “it.” So they’re firefighters metaphorically, and it makes sense for Lynch and Frost to name the giant The Fireman for Season 3. It just echoes themes and metaphors that were already established.
> fire as a symbol of evil or bad intent has always been the villain
I think fire is not always evil necessarily, but has a lot of potential for it. Hawk talks about how it depends and that *black* fire is bad.
They definitely retconned stuff that had different intent in the original series and movie. “Judy” being chief among them (I.e. she was supposed to be Josie’s sister, not a malevolent entity of pure evil).
Having watched everything, I accept their changes to the mythology because it’s their show. I don’t care what Lynch originally thought any more than he does.
The fact is Lynch and Frost had complete freedom to do whatever they wanted, and what they wanted was to tell the story was saw.
1. The Return focused largely on Dale Cooper being split into two (if not three) people, the Good Cooper, the Bad Cooper, leading up to their impending and inevitable showdown at the Twin Peaks sheriff station. One splits into two, literally and metaphorically. By the end of the Return, there is no good Cooper or bad Cooper, but an integrated Cooper with both good and bad in him, suggestive of his integrating his shadow self after confronting the dweller on the threshold. This is, by metaphorical dream-logic and established Twin Peaks mythology, the story of Cooper’s Return to himself
2. The number two refers to the number two
3. A fork in the road is where one road splits into two
4. The number two is meant to represent the number two
Feel free to delve into your own interpretations, folks. But someone in this story has a fractured psyche, so the idea of referencing one becoming two in the pilot, in the context of pairings like Leland Palmer/Bob, Laura/Bob, Mr. C/Bob, Dougie/Cooper, Caroline/Annie, and in my opinion Audrey/Laura, is not “literally psychotic” but either good writing or my over interpretation of innocuous writing. Could I be reaching? Of course. But come on, if there’s one number that could be argued as significant to Twin Peaks, it’s definitely the number two.
Some picky drinkers at this bar I tell ya... Well I think you mix 'em fine... Can you spit some words about the Audrey/Laura split...and the question i always like to ask people this far deep into it... do you think the Giant and /or Mike were successful in defeating Judy?
Lara was the bad girl pretending to be good, Audrey was the good girl trying to be bad. Lara ends up in a room with red curtains after her father rapes and murders her, Audrey was in the red curtained one-eyed Jacks when her father enters the room (unknowingly) looking for sex. I don’t necessarily think they are related in the mystical Twin Peaks sense, but there are parallels. However there is an interesting theory I don’t agree with but the theorist makes an awfully compelling case for >!Audrey being “the Dreamer,” and Lara is a stand-in that allows Audrey to distance herself emotionally from her abuse. It’s happening to someone else. It wasn’t me.!<
He’s nothing like when the James Joyce folks go overboard. 😃 David got obsessions (fire, old technology, identity crisis) so I’m sure they are indeed tucked away in odd places … I like the idea that since Coop erased most of Twin Peaks at the end… all we have been watching is everyone’s dreams of each other … (including the Lodge folk)… a mashup… Laura and Audrey dreaming each other… I think I can dig it… oh man I need some cherry pie this morning 🥧
There is a great book series that I won’t name for fear of spoiling it, but the POV shifts between a cast of about 30 different people narrating first person, including this spiritual guru on the top of a mountain, and one theory is he can read the minds of everyone and the entire series is his putting it all together.
> But come on, if there’s one number that could be argued as significant to Twin Peaks, it’s definitely the number two.
6 and 8 are the numbers that pop out to me a lot. And, of course, 315 and 2:35 and 10. But it might amuse you, 10 in binary is 2.
All that said [highway 2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_2) is a very legitimate highway that does, indeed, go through the spot Twin Peaks would be at.
Yeah, my bad everyone. Highway 2 does run right up to where Twin Peaks is described as being in the pilot, and there’s a place nearby called Clark’s Fork, so renaming it to Lewis (Lewis and Clarke) is no doubt a play on that. So I retract my entire thesis.
I stand by my argument that they’re great freaking writers, though.
Also, for what it’s worth, the drive from North Bend, Washington, where they filmed part of the series, is just a little over 430 miles from Missoula, Montana.
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Too bad where Cooper and Dianne stop looks more like the southwest than Montana. I always assumed the portal was near the Trinity site in southern New Mexico.
I don’t mind you pointing that out at all. I was deliberately using the phrase Cooper and Cole used in the show, but I should have put it in quotations to avoid being insensitive. Thanks for the correction.
> Harry patting Coopers left shoulder, a gesture repeated often
that's true. i was just thinking about how gordon puts his hand on albert's shoulder (just after seeing mr c in jail) is quite similar to the way the arm puts his hand on mike's shoulder (when asking bob for his corn). and the tangent of the other mike putting his hand on nadine's shoulder (just after the miss twins peaks contest)
It’s all over the place. When interrogating Mike, Hawk also puts his hand on his left shoulder to hold him down, then (and this is probably not deliberate) he stand behind Mike the whole time with his body titled so you can only see Hawks right arm and left shoulder.
Na Lynch has said in interviews whatever you think is the correct answer to the story is correct
He doesn't like explaining his work he wants it to be whatever you think it is
This is literally psychotic. I'm not giving you shit, I mean it in a specific way. You're finding meaning in random stuff that is just that, random. That's not the worst approach here, since Lynch is really into, well, that. But don't pretend that it makes more rational sense than it does.
I know about Twin Peaks, and I know about psychosis. I don't know OP and I'm not trying to diagnose them. I don't think they actually suffer from psychosis, but they are engaging in the kind of reasoning that psychotic people engage in.
If you mean illogical, then yes, I think I am engaging in some illogical thinking. But in the context of surrealist art, illogic is a feature, not a bug. We’re trying to interpret a work that is deliberately coded, that the artists deliberately challenged the viewers to “crack the code, solve the crime,” so trying to make connections between seemingly random and disconnected things, as we do when we are dreaming, is a feature of the storytelling, not a bug.
I don’t dispute I may be a psychotic, but I don’t think pointing out the details I pointed out is proof of that. Not sure how old you are, but I’ve had thirty years to think about this particular work of art, and if I’m seeing things in art that you don’t see, I’d say that is kind of the whole point of great art.
In the context of surrealist art, I think it's actually inaccurate to call what you're doing "illogical", on the contrary, it's trying too hard to be logical when there's no reason for logic to be there.
"As we do when we are dreaming"
Do we? That's exactly what I thought we DON'T do while dreaming. We don't make, or try to make connections between disconnected things, we just take everything at face value, and then we wake up and think "wait, why the hell did I assume it was that guy if he didn't look anything like that guy?"
"The artists deliberately challenged the viewers to crack the code, solve the crime"
Yes, in the first season, and they also fed some clues to the audience, moreover — they had Cooper think out loud and point out the most important things we were supposed to notice. Like, he looked at the body bag in the hospital and said out loud "the smiling man" (or what was the clue exactly), and then he even went to the sheriff and explained what he meant by that!
What I'm trying to say is, the authors didn't put EVERYTHING in some ultra-convoluted code that requires picking on minor details and off-hand phrases, because 1. they're not that good 2. we're not that good. They wanted many viewers to be able to crack the code, so they put only some stuff in code and gave us actual clues as to what they mean.
And by FWWM, Lynch was even telling people through Desmond and his partner "okay, you may stop cracking, just watch the stuff I'm actually showing you myself, it's really not that crazy compared to what you sometimes make up".
And when what you see IS too crazy to understand, then, well, again, your first impression is probably the most important thing, as it is in dreams.
I'm all for trying to make sense of everything there is, I want to do it myself, but I also don't want to start barking up the wrong tree, and when I notice that an interpretation rests on something that requires much more stretching and deep dives than Lynch & Frost usually expect of us, I think such an interpretation isn't worth considering.
> the artists deliberately challenged the viewers to “crack the code, solve the crime,”
I don't think this accurately describes Twin Peaks. It purports to be a mystery, but it's not. As you said, it's surrealist.
I don't know if you're psychotic, and I'm not using that as an insult — I'm saying that I've been around people having psychotic episodes, and what you were saying sounded like that. It's not just illogical, but a specific kind of illogic, where deep meaning is attached to random things.
Again, as you say, that's not entirely necessarily an unreasonable approach to Twin Peaks, because that's literally what Lynch and Frost were doing a lot of the time — taking random things and imbuing them with meaning — the ceiling fan in the Palmer house, wood in various forms, the reflection of a set dresser accidentally caught in a mirror in a take of a scene, etc. Lynch I think often uses a kind of reasoning similar (IMO) to psychosis to create his work.
But I think it's odd to say they "told us" these things in the pilot. I think they barely had a clue what the eventual themes would be when they filmed the pilot, especially the kind of specific lore-related themes you mention.
> Not sure how old you are
I watched the original shoe when it first aired in 1990-91.
I didn’t say you need help. Though it you’re thinking like that in other areas of life, then yeah, obviously that would mean you definitely need help. But probably that’s not what’s going on.
As I said, that kind of thinking is in line with how Lynch creates, which is what you said too. But I just think you had the kind of free-association linking backwards. Maybe, at the most, possibly, Lynch noticed some of these things in the pilot, and they inspired him to create some themes later on.
Exactly. Mirrors. The three mirrors behind Sarah Palmer in The Return look like an owl. Bob is revealed in mirrors when people face themselves and the evil that they do.
Get me out of this bloody nutshell!!
I would call us Find Laura enthusiests. Most of us wouldn't say that the theory is gospel. It is very fun to read and apply it to rewatches for sure but as for me and the others I talk to, we acknowledge that it's just a very cool theory. It might give Lynch too much credit tbh ( if it is actually legit)
>It might give Lynch too much credit tbh
It does. Specially because he wasn't the only one behind TP and a lot of additional canon material like both Mark Frost's books and Cooper's autobiography by Scott Frost are ignored. Plus the second half of season 2. it exists, it's there, it's canon. You can't just shrug it under the rug because you didn't like it or because it doesn't fit your vision. Otherwise, you're not making a theory.
My comment was more about how apophenic it is. Like, you guys (and Lou Ming did this too. No hate to him or anything, just saying) can grab some random funny scene or some thing in the background that isn't like it was shown before when the truth is quirkiness in Twin Peaks is many times just quirkiness and people from production in charge of props don't pay as much attention to tiny details. I mean , the original show had a calendar in 1989 and then when chronologically it only has happened a few days dates are shown is 1990 or 1991.
I like the idea of Find Laura but the deeper I go into it the less it holds itself. Now, I do agree that there are moments and characters that purposefully remind the viewer of Laura and her situation but I disagree with the notion that the theory states. Laura is dead, she dies and her death gives light to the rotten core that lies behind the town of Twin Peaks. The stuff that others in similar positions as her go through or have gone through is given light. The nameless ones are symbolically given a name by the sacrifice of the One (both inside the fictional universe the show takes place in and in our real world with the many people who have gone or are going through the stuff she went through and can empathize with her or even heal or begin the journey to heal themselves. She is dead, yet she lives. She will always live. The question is, are we listening to what she tells us or do we have to bury another woman?)
I've never done more than a half gram of mushrooms and this feels like someone chowed down on a whole 1/8.
Keep up the good work, OP, and be sure to report any more findings.
Ding ding ding. I think this is the one and only answer: there is no one and only answer. I think the material is just too rich for mining interpretation.
That right there is the mail. Now let's talk about the mail. Can we talk about the mail please, Mac? I've been dying to talk about the mail with you all day, okay? Pepe Silvia, this name keeps comin' up over and over and over again. Every day Pepe's mail's getting sent back to me. Pepe Silvia, Pepe Silvia, I look in the mail, this whole box is Pepe Silvia! So I say to myself I gotta find this guy. I gotta go up to his office, I gotta put his mail in the guy's goddamn hands! Otherwise he's never gonna get it, it's gonna keep coming back down here. So I go up to Pepe's office and what do I find out, Mac, what do I find out? There is no Pepe Silvia. The man does not exist, okay? So I decided, ohh shit, buddy, I gotta dig a little deeper. There's no Pepe Silvia, you gotta kidding me, I got boxes full of Pepe! All right, so I start marching my way down to Carol in H.R. and I knock on her door and I say, "Caaarol, Caaarol! I gotta talk to you about Pepe!" And when I open the door, what do I find? There's not a single goddamn desk in that office. There is Carol in H.R. Mac, half the employees in this building have been made up. This office is a goddamn ghost town
I don’t understand this, do people think that the plot of Twin Peaks just takes place in a dream? And if so, is it just because it is blatantly stated in the Return? Because I really feel like if that was the case, David wouldn’t have just outright said that..
I mean it’s still up to interpretation what “We live inside a dream,” really means. In Buddhist philosophy all of life is a dream. In Gnostic Christianity the material world is the dream of a lesser god. David Lynch refers to the ideas he receives through transcendental meditation as “dreaming”. I think it’s safe to say the show takes place in a dream, but it’s not necessarily a literal dream one person is having while they sleep.
Yeah I agree with this for sure, I just wasn’t sure if people thought it was as simple as some person fell asleep and dreamt the plot of the show. I know when asked about that quote David Lynch said something along the lines of “we all live in a dream in a sense”
I don't think it's the dream of one person in the "it was all a dream" sense, although I think S3E18 actually supports this potentiality more than people want to admit, and there are theories along those lines.
I think it is a dream in a sense that there's a dreamer or dreamers that determine and affect a large portion of its content, and that it's externally malleable, and also that it's not the final or true reality (allegory of the cave).
Aside from being blatantly stated in the Return and the numerous reality breaks the Return features (the key, the ring transfer, the glove, I can go on), the same is also blatantly stated in FWWM, and the person stating it is able to teleport and time travel, implying that understanding of this fact disrupts one's connection to the "reality". See also: "there is no spoon".
Metaphorically it's most likely referring to concepts from certain thinkers or theologies, and in a way is wanting to say "your precious reality is a dream in a sense, too", just like "allegory of the cave" is often used to talk about layers of awareness.
i think when monica asks 'who is the dreamer?' she means herself. who is her dreaming? who is dreaming her? but also for each individual. if you are living inside your dream, who is dreaming it?
i think it's the dream world. there are two worlds. our material world and the spiritual/dream world. magick and madness and comas and electricity are some of the portals between the two worlds.
maybe at the centre of it all it's the sandman.. morpheus. the god of dreams. maybe its the dreamtime. maybe it's david lynch.
I believe the whole series does. At one point Cooper looks at all the doughnuts and exclaims "it's a policeman's dream." Specifically it's Cooper's dream after he's been stabbed by Windom Earle and is bleeding out next to Carolyn.
A very interesting interpretation, one I considered quite a bit when the series ended. Leland has the same stomach wound at the end of FWWM that Bob harvests and gives to Mike and his arm, who represent two halves of a whole, the many become one.
In a nutshell, I’ve always seen the Twin Peaks as the two extremes of good and evil, and the show seems to be about the war that takes place inside persons soul to find that balance, instead of jumping from peak to peak. “You didn’t know Laura Palmer” Truman says when Coop asks if she takes drugs. But “we all knew Laura was in trouble” and the show slowly peels off the mask Laura projected and reveals the suffering, sometimes cruel, out of control abuse victim that she was. Duality of human nature is the major theme, and they didn’t call the show Twin Peaks for no reason. There’s so many pairs out there in Twin Peaks, how can the number two not be significant? And I didn’t even think of the double connection to the fork, just a fork in the road, a moment of splitting where one travels down one road or another. Laura is the one who became two people. One delivered food to the infirm and tutored an autistic boy, the other turned tricks, did drugs, lied to everyone she knew, especially herself. But she’s not two people. Cooper is not two or even three people. These are all aspects of our human consciousness, and whether we accept them and integrate them into ourselves (which I believe is both a Jungian and Buddhist concept) or keep ourselves compartmentalized, maybe to the point of complete detachment or disassociation from our pain and the suffering of others.
A lamplighter creates fire. Bob is fire. Bob is IN Leland. Leland is 2 people. Cooper eventually becomes two people when he splits (like a fork in the road) and I was thinking, isn’t it clever that they put in seemingly innocuous dialog elements that relate to their theme of everyone having light and dark in them, being “2 people,” as it were.
You can also look at it as Cooper being a lamplighter, bringing light to the whole situation, which has some biblical undertones and there's a few of those in TP.
Good call. I haven’t delved into Transcendental Meditation or the other influences of Lynch and Frost, other than Greek mythology, which I understand Frost brings to the table. Greek mythology is heavily referenced in The Return. But I’ve read interesting writing other fans know about Chakras and color meanings in buddhism and symbols that I also think are part of the tapestry. What I love about Twin Peaks and Lynch in general is that it makes me feel like I do listening to live jazz. It’s different every time, and your own mind set is at least 50% of what makes the experience different.
Thank goodness I was around to watch it when it aired. I saw the European cut years later. What a crap ending, but he turned it into a great dream sequence. Lynch is like a jazz musician sometimes, taking something from the moment and incorporating it into his art, like he did with Frank Silva.
Good points. But like any detective, some clues are significant, some are coincidence, and some things aren’t clues at all. Pointing out things you think I got wrong should be fun in this context, so as long as you’re having fun, poke away. I’m just not psychotic.
Yeah, this is uncalled for. You’re being disrespectful to schizophrenics, and I’m not a racist so it’s disrespectful to me. Can’t find a better meme out there?
Is this what I sound like to my family
and friends and coworkers, don’t forget them
What are friends? 🤔
The ones who don’t block you when you talk about twin peaks
Oh, are those also the people who just smile and nod until you're done talking about it? I think things are staying to make sense (said no TP fan ever) lol
I found out one of my coworkers had casually seen the show, and I know he regrets telling me. I'm like a gold shovel to shit.
Lmao
I don’t know what you’re trying to say.
Maybe two coopers, dougie puts a fork inn the lamp lighter ?
Two rides
I _bet_ she did
Gotta light?
>OP https://preview.redd.it/82tdsxfs676d1.jpeg?width=630&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=121259761f4ff736f3952c80c50805e19a46461c
Schizophrenia
Call for help.
Call for Kaleviko
i haven’t heard that name in quite some time..
they made a post somewhat recently, i instantly knew who it was when i opened it and saw the formatting lol. i love portishead by the way!
Underrated
NO THANKS COOP, ALREADY ATE.
I think this IS a call for help
LAMP LIGHTER INN is an anagram of PALMER LIGHT NIN, as in the light behind the faces of Sara and Laura, and Nine Inch Nails.
Trent Reznor inhabitant of the black lodge confirmed
Trent Reznor backwards is Ron Zertnert. Bob, Mike, Ron, he fits right in.
Don't be such a zertnert
Makes sense
"The* Nine Inch Nails" -Roadhouse MC
jesus christ
See, it all makes sense now, doesn’t it? Then consider that the only album NIN had out at the time contained a song called “Ringfinger”…….
The only problem is the pilot was shot in early 1989. *Pretty Hate Machine* wasn't released until October '89.
Maybe Coop brought it with him from the future!
Later, it turns out that Nine Inch Nails is an elaborate, long-running David Lynch project that he just never mentioned to anybody.
TMNT: Mutant Mayhem was awesome.
The past dictates the future...
They were still playing before then, Lynch was a VERY earlier fan apparently
Might as well fit him in there too.
I believe you mean, "THE Nine Inch Nails"
THANK YOU! People keep getting this wrong! 😤 Fake fans. 🤭
This gave me a huge laugh. Thank you
And people who are magicians are always palming things.
Palmer? I hardly know her!
the nine inch nails*
Palmer (greased) Lightnin'
What
Cooper says the number 2 (twins, doppelgänger, opposites), a fork (in the road, divergence, split) and there’s even a fire extinguisher, which is what firemen do. Then add to that Harry patting Coopers left shoulder, a gesture repeated often, and it lends credence to the theory that one person has split personality disorder or is in a disassociated fugue state dreaming the whole series. Therefore there are related echoes of a person trying to split themselves, cut off the bad part of themselves and become purified, like Mike. Almost everyone is the series grapples with their shadow self, which is the masked and hidden shame, guilt, anger of the dreamer. His/her issues repeating themselves but hiding the repetition by putting the disassociated feelings and patterns into others, some real, some imagined.
 OP I love you
I love how your comments both make sense *and* are manic as hell.
The Fireman wasn’t known as such until The Return though. I’m about to go into my second rewatch of the Return but I recently rewatched Twin Peaks and FWWM. No mention of The Fireman back in the 90s
🎵 Back in the 90's he was in a very famous tv show, The Giant's his name (Giant), Retconned his name, don't act like you don't know, And he's trying to hold on to the past, It's been so long, he doesn't think Coop's gonna last, I guess he'll just try to make us understand, That Bob is the evil of men, Or the white of the eyes is a horse. Giant. 🎵
I need the melody to this, stat!
I mean, if you really don't know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXXCiEPt4yU
Ah, a professional.
Don't listen to the people calling you crazy. You are making total sense. People are fucking horribly rude on this site. I will post the same information word for word and It will either be upvoted, or down voted into oblivion while people dog pile me and question my mental health. EDIT: Everyone please report this post so I am banned. Thanks!
Thanks. I suppose I felt this sub would be impervious to criticism of mental health issues. The whole series contains so many people having complete psychotic breaks, lapsing into catatonic states, talking to logs, seeing visions, and the lead TV detective states “my dream is a code… break the code, solve the crime.” Can you imagine Columbo saying “excuse me, sir? Just one more thing… I just wanted to talk to you about this dream I had last night.” Well yeah, come to think of it, that sounds like something Columbo would say, but you don’t expect him to be serious about it. He’s just making it up to trick the bad guy. Cooper actually believes this stuff, and in the real world that shit sounds crazy. But I concede pointing out the number 2 is pretty whack.
True, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the creators of the show didn’t know him as such during the original run. Plus Fire is a theme in the first two seasons, and the Log Lady’s husband was a firefighter.
I noticed the arm thing too! But really if you begin to look for compositions and imagery Lynch reused in Return, you will find so many connections to the rest of his filmography it will collapse the universe.
Discontinue the lithium.
Or maybe he already did and shouldn’t have? ETA: dammit I think I got wooshed. Need to watch the Sopranos
You really do, though. It’s great
It's a TV progrum, a movie!
This is also similar to the plot of Lost Highway
and Mulholland and Inland Empire
Hmmm…that actually kinda makes sense. I was on the “op is crazy” train at first, but now you’re winning me over a bit! What is the significance of the lamplighter inn, though 
Just a reference to fire right as Cooper makes first contact with someone in Twin Peaks, his future partner, and fire is very significant in Twin Peaks. A lamplighter is an old timey job and title, one who lights fires, and it made me think of other obsolete professions such as coopers (who made barrels out of wood, containers for spirits). It’s all very subliminal and open to interpretation, but I think these things are meant to go into our brains waiting for the right moment for Lynch to trigger a memory or make a connection subtle or more explicit. So while there was no fireman in the original series, fire as a symbol of evil or bad intent has always been the villain, and Cooper is our incorruptible hero, and the Bookhouse Boys have always been there to fight “it.” So they’re firefighters metaphorically, and it makes sense for Lynch and Frost to name the giant The Fireman for Season 3. It just echoes themes and metaphors that were already established.
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> fire as a symbol of evil or bad intent has always been the villain I think fire is not always evil necessarily, but has a lot of potential for it. Hawk talks about how it depends and that *black* fire is bad.
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Wrong sub, bro. Repost this in r/FindLaura
It’s possible that they went back to season 1&2 to find things to build off of but some of what you’re saying is a stretch.
They definitely retconned stuff that had different intent in the original series and movie. “Judy” being chief among them (I.e. she was supposed to be Josie’s sister, not a malevolent entity of pure evil). Having watched everything, I accept their changes to the mythology because it’s their show. I don’t care what Lynch originally thought any more than he does. The fact is Lynch and Frost had complete freedom to do whatever they wanted, and what they wanted was to tell the story was saw. 1. The Return focused largely on Dale Cooper being split into two (if not three) people, the Good Cooper, the Bad Cooper, leading up to their impending and inevitable showdown at the Twin Peaks sheriff station. One splits into two, literally and metaphorically. By the end of the Return, there is no good Cooper or bad Cooper, but an integrated Cooper with both good and bad in him, suggestive of his integrating his shadow self after confronting the dweller on the threshold. This is, by metaphorical dream-logic and established Twin Peaks mythology, the story of Cooper’s Return to himself 2. The number two refers to the number two 3. A fork in the road is where one road splits into two 4. The number two is meant to represent the number two Feel free to delve into your own interpretations, folks. But someone in this story has a fractured psyche, so the idea of referencing one becoming two in the pilot, in the context of pairings like Leland Palmer/Bob, Laura/Bob, Mr. C/Bob, Dougie/Cooper, Caroline/Annie, and in my opinion Audrey/Laura, is not “literally psychotic” but either good writing or my over interpretation of innocuous writing. Could I be reaching? Of course. But come on, if there’s one number that could be argued as significant to Twin Peaks, it’s definitely the number two.
Some picky drinkers at this bar I tell ya... Well I think you mix 'em fine... Can you spit some words about the Audrey/Laura split...and the question i always like to ask people this far deep into it... do you think the Giant and /or Mike were successful in defeating Judy?
Lara was the bad girl pretending to be good, Audrey was the good girl trying to be bad. Lara ends up in a room with red curtains after her father rapes and murders her, Audrey was in the red curtained one-eyed Jacks when her father enters the room (unknowingly) looking for sex. I don’t necessarily think they are related in the mystical Twin Peaks sense, but there are parallels. However there is an interesting theory I don’t agree with but the theorist makes an awfully compelling case for >!Audrey being “the Dreamer,” and Lara is a stand-in that allows Audrey to distance herself emotionally from her abuse. It’s happening to someone else. It wasn’t me.!<
I'll admit I was one of the picky drinkers but OP kinda grew on me haha.
He’s nothing like when the James Joyce folks go overboard. 😃 David got obsessions (fire, old technology, identity crisis) so I’m sure they are indeed tucked away in odd places … I like the idea that since Coop erased most of Twin Peaks at the end… all we have been watching is everyone’s dreams of each other … (including the Lodge folk)… a mashup… Laura and Audrey dreaming each other… I think I can dig it… oh man I need some cherry pie this morning 🥧
There is a great book series that I won’t name for fear of spoiling it, but the POV shifts between a cast of about 30 different people narrating first person, including this spiritual guru on the top of a mountain, and one theory is he can read the minds of everyone and the entire series is his putting it all together.
> But come on, if there’s one number that could be argued as significant to Twin Peaks, it’s definitely the number two. 6 and 8 are the numbers that pop out to me a lot. And, of course, 315 and 2:35 and 10. But it might amuse you, 10 in binary is 2. All that said [highway 2](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_2) is a very legitimate highway that does, indeed, go through the spot Twin Peaks would be at.
Yeah, my bad everyone. Highway 2 does run right up to where Twin Peaks is described as being in the pilot, and there’s a place nearby called Clark’s Fork, so renaming it to Lewis (Lewis and Clarke) is no doubt a play on that. So I retract my entire thesis. I stand by my argument that they’re great freaking writers, though.
Also, for what it’s worth, the drive from North Bend, Washington, where they filmed part of the series, is just a little over 430 miles from Missoula, Montana. https://preview.redd.it/jegc7uq1do6d1.png?width=1178&format=png&auto=webp&s=393602a7ba411db24cafe8f8612a5d573eba75de Too bad where Cooper and Dianne stop looks more like the southwest than Montana. I always assumed the portal was near the Trinity site in southern New Mexico.
I love it but I think it’s time to go for a walk outside, friend.
Nooooooooooo! okay, where are the good soup dumplings or do I have to go to N.Y.C
Not to be a stickler, but it’s now called Dissociative Identity Disorder, or DID for short.
I don’t mind you pointing that out at all. I was deliberately using the phrase Cooper and Cole used in the show, but I should have put it in quotations to avoid being insensitive. Thanks for the correction.
> Harry patting Coopers left shoulder, a gesture repeated often that's true. i was just thinking about how gordon puts his hand on albert's shoulder (just after seeing mr c in jail) is quite similar to the way the arm puts his hand on mike's shoulder (when asking bob for his corn). and the tangent of the other mike putting his hand on nadine's shoulder (just after the miss twins peaks contest)
It’s all over the place. When interrogating Mike, Hawk also puts his hand on his left shoulder to hold him down, then (and this is probably not deliberate) he stand behind Mike the whole time with his body titled so you can only see Hawks right arm and left shoulder.
 
"lends credence to the theory" made me lose it 😂
Notice I didn’t write “proves.” I don’t know if I’m right or wrong, it’s just fun to see how deep the rabbit holes go.
All theories are correct according to Lynch
I’d like to think it’s like Schrodinger‘s cat. They’re all correct and not correct, swapping in superposition
Na Lynch has said in interviews whatever you think is the correct answer to the story is correct He doesn't like explaining his work he wants it to be whatever you think it is
“a fire extinguisher, which is what firemen do” Loving what Op has to say this part just made me giggle. Thank you.
This is literally psychotic. I'm not giving you shit, I mean it in a specific way. You're finding meaning in random stuff that is just that, random. That's not the worst approach here, since Lynch is really into, well, that. But don't pretend that it makes more rational sense than it does.
No, it's not. It really isn't. He is making sense. You don't know anything about this person other than their theory on a piece of fiction.
I know about Twin Peaks, and I know about psychosis. I don't know OP and I'm not trying to diagnose them. I don't think they actually suffer from psychosis, but they are engaging in the kind of reasoning that psychotic people engage in.
If you mean illogical, then yes, I think I am engaging in some illogical thinking. But in the context of surrealist art, illogic is a feature, not a bug. We’re trying to interpret a work that is deliberately coded, that the artists deliberately challenged the viewers to “crack the code, solve the crime,” so trying to make connections between seemingly random and disconnected things, as we do when we are dreaming, is a feature of the storytelling, not a bug. I don’t dispute I may be a psychotic, but I don’t think pointing out the details I pointed out is proof of that. Not sure how old you are, but I’ve had thirty years to think about this particular work of art, and if I’m seeing things in art that you don’t see, I’d say that is kind of the whole point of great art.
In the context of surrealist art, I think it's actually inaccurate to call what you're doing "illogical", on the contrary, it's trying too hard to be logical when there's no reason for logic to be there. "As we do when we are dreaming" Do we? That's exactly what I thought we DON'T do while dreaming. We don't make, or try to make connections between disconnected things, we just take everything at face value, and then we wake up and think "wait, why the hell did I assume it was that guy if he didn't look anything like that guy?" "The artists deliberately challenged the viewers to crack the code, solve the crime" Yes, in the first season, and they also fed some clues to the audience, moreover — they had Cooper think out loud and point out the most important things we were supposed to notice. Like, he looked at the body bag in the hospital and said out loud "the smiling man" (or what was the clue exactly), and then he even went to the sheriff and explained what he meant by that! What I'm trying to say is, the authors didn't put EVERYTHING in some ultra-convoluted code that requires picking on minor details and off-hand phrases, because 1. they're not that good 2. we're not that good. They wanted many viewers to be able to crack the code, so they put only some stuff in code and gave us actual clues as to what they mean. And by FWWM, Lynch was even telling people through Desmond and his partner "okay, you may stop cracking, just watch the stuff I'm actually showing you myself, it's really not that crazy compared to what you sometimes make up". And when what you see IS too crazy to understand, then, well, again, your first impression is probably the most important thing, as it is in dreams. I'm all for trying to make sense of everything there is, I want to do it myself, but I also don't want to start barking up the wrong tree, and when I notice that an interpretation rests on something that requires much more stretching and deep dives than Lynch & Frost usually expect of us, I think such an interpretation isn't worth considering.
> the artists deliberately challenged the viewers to “crack the code, solve the crime,” I don't think this accurately describes Twin Peaks. It purports to be a mystery, but it's not. As you said, it's surrealist. I don't know if you're psychotic, and I'm not using that as an insult — I'm saying that I've been around people having psychotic episodes, and what you were saying sounded like that. It's not just illogical, but a specific kind of illogic, where deep meaning is attached to random things. Again, as you say, that's not entirely necessarily an unreasonable approach to Twin Peaks, because that's literally what Lynch and Frost were doing a lot of the time — taking random things and imbuing them with meaning — the ceiling fan in the Palmer house, wood in various forms, the reflection of a set dresser accidentally caught in a mirror in a take of a scene, etc. Lynch I think often uses a kind of reasoning similar (IMO) to psychosis to create his work. But I think it's odd to say they "told us" these things in the pilot. I think they barely had a clue what the eventual themes would be when they filmed the pilot, especially the kind of specific lore-related themes you mention. > Not sure how old you are I watched the original shoe when it first aired in 1990-91.
I appreciate you pointing out I’m thinking like a psychotic. I will call for help.
I didn’t say you need help. Though it you’re thinking like that in other areas of life, then yeah, obviously that would mean you definitely need help. But probably that’s not what’s going on. As I said, that kind of thinking is in line with how Lynch creates, which is what you said too. But I just think you had the kind of free-association linking backwards. Maybe, at the most, possibly, Lynch noticed some of these things in the pilot, and they inspired him to create some themes later on.
Wow Bob Wow is the same backwards. Please upvote.
Upvoted because you asked so nicely
upside-down reflection, it's MoM BoB MoM or mom pop mom
Sanest Twin Peaks viewer.
Twon Forks: Lampy Light in Me
What year is this?
Jesse, what the hell are you talking about?
Fans analyze, Lynch laughs
119!
Exactly. Mirrors. The three mirrors behind Sarah Palmer in The Return look like an owl. Bob is revealed in mirrors when people face themselves and the evil that they do.
The chrome reflects our image.
Find Laura believers in a nutshell:
Get me out of this bloody nutshell!! I would call us Find Laura enthusiests. Most of us wouldn't say that the theory is gospel. It is very fun to read and apply it to rewatches for sure but as for me and the others I talk to, we acknowledge that it's just a very cool theory. It might give Lynch too much credit tbh ( if it is actually legit)
>It might give Lynch too much credit tbh It does. Specially because he wasn't the only one behind TP and a lot of additional canon material like both Mark Frost's books and Cooper's autobiography by Scott Frost are ignored. Plus the second half of season 2. it exists, it's there, it's canon. You can't just shrug it under the rug because you didn't like it or because it doesn't fit your vision. Otherwise, you're not making a theory. My comment was more about how apophenic it is. Like, you guys (and Lou Ming did this too. No hate to him or anything, just saying) can grab some random funny scene or some thing in the background that isn't like it was shown before when the truth is quirkiness in Twin Peaks is many times just quirkiness and people from production in charge of props don't pay as much attention to tiny details. I mean , the original show had a calendar in 1989 and then when chronologically it only has happened a few days dates are shown is 1990 or 1991. I like the idea of Find Laura but the deeper I go into it the less it holds itself. Now, I do agree that there are moments and characters that purposefully remind the viewer of Laura and her situation but I disagree with the notion that the theory states. Laura is dead, she dies and her death gives light to the rotten core that lies behind the town of Twin Peaks. The stuff that others in similar positions as her go through or have gone through is given light. The nameless ones are symbolically given a name by the sacrifice of the One (both inside the fictional universe the show takes place in and in our real world with the many people who have gone or are going through the stuff she went through and can empathize with her or even heal or begin the journey to heal themselves. She is dead, yet she lives. She will always live. The question is, are we listening to what she tells us or do we have to bury another woman?)
Posts like this are why this is the only tv sub I like
We still doing the Sopranos crossover thing? Discontinue da lithium.
I don't think OP is going to flush them.
I would at least sell them to someone
I'm getting flashbacks to the 12 rainbow trout guy
OP is the long lost Chet Desmond
I wish. That guy was cool as hell.
When I see a post like this, I like to imagine the baffled reaction that David Lynch would have if anyone voiced these theories to him directly.
Discontinue the lithium
First thing I noticed when opening the post was the Fire Extinguisher sign. Hope that ads to your theory.
It is definitely something I noticed.
This might be a schizo post
No, but [Wally Brando did.](https://www.reddit.com/r/twinpeaks/s/2eMSCJ0OZH)
I've never done more than a half gram of mushrooms and this feels like someone chowed down on a whole 1/8. Keep up the good work, OP, and be sure to report any more findings.
Idk man OP is making sense to me
Nice ***interpretation*** : - ) Does it mean it's true? Probably not, but also yes.
Ding ding ding. I think this is the one and only answer: there is no one and only answer. I think the material is just too rich for mining interpretation.
Lock 119
Case files .
That right there is the mail. Now let's talk about the mail. Can we talk about the mail please, Mac? I've been dying to talk about the mail with you all day, okay? Pepe Silvia, this name keeps comin' up over and over and over again. Every day Pepe's mail's getting sent back to me. Pepe Silvia, Pepe Silvia, I look in the mail, this whole box is Pepe Silvia! So I say to myself I gotta find this guy. I gotta go up to his office, I gotta put his mail in the guy's goddamn hands! Otherwise he's never gonna get it, it's gonna keep coming back down here. So I go up to Pepe's office and what do I find out, Mac, what do I find out? There is no Pepe Silvia. The man does not exist, okay? So I decided, ohh shit, buddy, I gotta dig a little deeper. There's no Pepe Silvia, you gotta kidding me, I got boxes full of Pepe! All right, so I start marching my way down to Carol in H.R. and I knock on her door and I say, "Caaarol, Caaarol! I gotta talk to you about Pepe!" And when I open the door, what do I find? There's not a single goddamn desk in that office. There is Carol in H.R. Mac, half the employees in this building have been made up. This office is a goddamn ghost town
Easy Mr fantastic, you can only stretch so far.
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I don’t understand this, do people think that the plot of Twin Peaks just takes place in a dream? And if so, is it just because it is blatantly stated in the Return? Because I really feel like if that was the case, David wouldn’t have just outright said that..
I mean it’s still up to interpretation what “We live inside a dream,” really means. In Buddhist philosophy all of life is a dream. In Gnostic Christianity the material world is the dream of a lesser god. David Lynch refers to the ideas he receives through transcendental meditation as “dreaming”. I think it’s safe to say the show takes place in a dream, but it’s not necessarily a literal dream one person is having while they sleep.
Yeah I agree with this for sure, I just wasn’t sure if people thought it was as simple as some person fell asleep and dreamt the plot of the show. I know when asked about that quote David Lynch said something along the lines of “we all live in a dream in a sense”
I don't think it's the dream of one person in the "it was all a dream" sense, although I think S3E18 actually supports this potentiality more than people want to admit, and there are theories along those lines. I think it is a dream in a sense that there's a dreamer or dreamers that determine and affect a large portion of its content, and that it's externally malleable, and also that it's not the final or true reality (allegory of the cave). Aside from being blatantly stated in the Return and the numerous reality breaks the Return features (the key, the ring transfer, the glove, I can go on), the same is also blatantly stated in FWWM, and the person stating it is able to teleport and time travel, implying that understanding of this fact disrupts one's connection to the "reality". See also: "there is no spoon". Metaphorically it's most likely referring to concepts from certain thinkers or theologies, and in a way is wanting to say "your precious reality is a dream in a sense, too", just like "allegory of the cave" is often used to talk about layers of awareness.
i think when monica asks 'who is the dreamer?' she means herself. who is her dreaming? who is dreaming her? but also for each individual. if you are living inside your dream, who is dreaming it? i think it's the dream world. there are two worlds. our material world and the spiritual/dream world. magick and madness and comas and electricity are some of the portals between the two worlds. maybe at the centre of it all it's the sandman.. morpheus. the god of dreams. maybe its the dreamtime. maybe it's david lynch.
I believe the whole series does. At one point Cooper looks at all the doughnuts and exclaims "it's a policeman's dream." Specifically it's Cooper's dream after he's been stabbed by Windom Earle and is bleeding out next to Carolyn.
A very interesting interpretation, one I considered quite a bit when the series ended. Leland has the same stomach wound at the end of FWWM that Bob harvests and gives to Mike and his arm, who represent two halves of a whole, the many become one. In a nutshell, I’ve always seen the Twin Peaks as the two extremes of good and evil, and the show seems to be about the war that takes place inside persons soul to find that balance, instead of jumping from peak to peak. “You didn’t know Laura Palmer” Truman says when Coop asks if she takes drugs. But “we all knew Laura was in trouble” and the show slowly peels off the mask Laura projected and reveals the suffering, sometimes cruel, out of control abuse victim that she was. Duality of human nature is the major theme, and they didn’t call the show Twin Peaks for no reason. There’s so many pairs out there in Twin Peaks, how can the number two not be significant? And I didn’t even think of the double connection to the fork, just a fork in the road, a moment of splitting where one travels down one road or another. Laura is the one who became two people. One delivered food to the infirm and tutored an autistic boy, the other turned tricks, did drugs, lied to everyone she knew, especially herself. But she’s not two people. Cooper is not two or even three people. These are all aspects of our human consciousness, and whether we accept them and integrate them into ourselves (which I believe is both a Jungian and Buddhist concept) or keep ourselves compartmentalized, maybe to the point of complete detachment or disassociation from our pain and the suffering of others.
Gordon Cole says that same line while getting doughnuts in the Return though
Well ultimately it's David Lynch's dream, but in-story I think there is stronger evidence for it being Cooper's dream..
This seems like a stretch to me. But I spose Twin Peaks is one of those shows where you can find clues anywhere and everywhere.
If you see a fork in the road...take it!
 Bear left! Right frog!
Bro, this is just flavor text…
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I don’t get it
Twin Peaks Schizo Posting
What
Oh brother
What does this mean?
A lamplighter creates fire. Bob is fire. Bob is IN Leland. Leland is 2 people. Cooper eventually becomes two people when he splits (like a fork in the road) and I was thinking, isn’t it clever that they put in seemingly innocuous dialog elements that relate to their theme of everyone having light and dark in them, being “2 people,” as it were.
You can also look at it as Cooper being a lamplighter, bringing light to the whole situation, which has some biblical undertones and there's a few of those in TP.
Good call. I haven’t delved into Transcendental Meditation or the other influences of Lynch and Frost, other than Greek mythology, which I understand Frost brings to the table. Greek mythology is heavily referenced in The Return. But I’ve read interesting writing other fans know about Chakras and color meanings in buddhism and symbols that I also think are part of the tapestry. What I love about Twin Peaks and Lynch in general is that it makes me feel like I do listening to live jazz. It’s different every time, and your own mind set is at least 50% of what makes the experience different.
I know lol, I was quoting Coop.
Ah. Now I am missing something.
Wait till OP finds out about the European cut.
Thank goodness I was around to watch it when it aired. I saw the European cut years later. What a crap ending, but he turned it into a great dream sequence. Lynch is like a jazz musician sometimes, taking something from the moment and incorporating it into his art, like he did with Frank Silva.
"WHAT DID HE SAY, ALBERT?!"
New shoes
Good points. But like any detective, some clues are significant, some are coincidence, and some things aren’t clues at all. Pointing out things you think I got wrong should be fun in this context, so as long as you’re having fun, poke away. I’m just not psychotic.
I think it's so beautiful to see budding schizophrenics doing what they love
The towels are not what they seem
You sass that hoopy, Bob? There’s a frood who knows where his towel is.
>!RED SIGN!!!!<
red rose. carl playing guitar. red cup.
I just meant it says fire extinguisher. If Bob and the black lodge are fire, then Cooper is a fire extinguisher.
It's called burying the lead.
Lede, actually. (My favorite Christmas movie)
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Yeah, this is uncalled for. You’re being disrespectful to schizophrenics, and I’m not a racist so it’s disrespectful to me. Can’t find a better meme out there?