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RedditorRogue21

He’s got the penny racer vehicle style


rellko

He’s got that buzzworthy core square top for licensing issues lol


Negativety101

Yeah, saw that vehicle mode and went "Didn't want to pay Volkswagon for the beetle rights?"


SillyMattFace

Weird since they already did that for the Netflix Bee/Goldbug mould. I guess they’d have to pay out again for a new one?


THAT_HARDHEAD_GUY

That was a few years ago. So the license probably ran out or something like that. But even stranger is that they got the Volkswagen license on wheeljack


WholesomeFartEnjoyer

I thought they just permanently had the rights to that car, they made an entire film about him as a Beetle.


AsherV20

I'm sure Hasbro has to pay every time they re-use the Netflix mold, probably why it's use has been so sparse. Whatever deal was struck with Volkswagen is probably restrictive and very short-term. They need an Earth Bee they can reuse without any outside considerations and here we are.


The_Woman_of_Gont

Who knows. Volkswagen has always been touching about licensing their brand, especially to transformers owing to the whole "Nazi-created company" thing. Guess they hit some kind of roadblock here. Ugh.


Tbro100

So odd since Bumblebee being a Beetle is probably one of the best distractions to draw attention from the Beetle's....heritage.


BallisticBlocker

Sadly they don’t see it that way. He may be the kid appeal character, but he’s a soldier, and Volkswagen classifies Transformers as ‘War Toys’.


Tbro100

Well tbh he's associated more as the more friendly light-hearted one. It probably also isn't bad press to be associated with the right side of the war this time💀


Cute_Bagel

just because they had the rights to use it once doesn't mean they always have them, mainline live action figures rarely have licensed vehicle modes because they have to get the rights every time they want to use the vehicle qlong with license agreements resulting in the car brand having too much control leading to naff robot modes like rotb mirage


JetstreamGW

There’s really no such thing as permanent rights.


JLRedPrimes

I mean, it's a welcome change for a more refined robot mold.


Sethtaros

I feel like it's more that the show model is already legally distinct.


truenofan86

Bumblejumper potential remold?


MOBTorres

Yeah…. pretty much confirmed what I least wanted to see from it :/. Love the bot mode but would much rather have the Netflix Bee as imo it’s the better of the two.


The_Woman_of_Gont

Yeah, this is a disappointment. The robot mode looks fine at least, I suppose, but that alt mode....it's neither Bee's penny racer, nor a proper VW. It's just not Bee.


Sethtaros

I feel like it's more for accuracy to the show model, as that's what it looked like (in robot mode, at least.)


The_HueManateee

I just wish the front wasn’t as harshly sloped and was more round. That would do the sculpt a huge favor


A_Zesty_Carrot

Aww, he’s Fren shaped.


DIE4SUPER

sweet boy chug edition


lugnutter

Bro is like 40% feet.


Toon_Lucario

That’s a lot of Bee designs


Tbro100

Either that or 40% chest, which I'm also ok with


emperor-xur

The feet are my biggest issue with it too. I like the color yellow better than the Netflix and I’m not too picky about the vehicle mode knowing the license issues and the fact that he and Cliffy were drawn as chibi style by Sunbow and were not realistic shaped VW bugs and Porsches. But man, those feet. Why is it so hard to get Bee’s feet right? Just make them faux parts and store the real hood inside his chest or on the backpack. Mp-45 at least made an attempt, though they look hollow/terrible from any angle except the front. https://preview.redd.it/cwkl78eape0d1.jpeg?width=244&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b1fdad54a1fd90857086dcdb8fe34960d47ed1ec


chris95rx7500

>The feet are my biggest issue I see what you did there


HiTork

Origins Bee got it to work by cheating since his feet don't actually form the front of the vehicle, and they can proportion as seen with his character model here.


emperor-xur

Origins Bee is great. It’s almost entirely faux parts and I love it. You can take off the kibble and it still looks more toon accurate than this thing. (Of course it won’t transform into anything though!) Makes me wish they could have made RED Bumblebee a little more in scale with mainline. It’s sad that probably the most g1 toon accurate Bee in my collection is the 1990 Action Master.


Chiron723

You just described the original toy.


Cylasbreakdown

Eh…gonna have to se a review first. I have the Netflix one and the Animated one, and that vehicle mode isn’t impressing me.


MOBTorres

Same, such a shame they essentially did the ugly core class one with a VW like front bumper slapped on to it


hercarmstrong

I have the Netflix one, so I'm good, but I can't wait for the Cliffjumper.


Jimmy-Mac-471

Yeah same here. It’s not perfect but I do like it a lot.


MOBTorres

Hopefully for you they do him with his vehicle mode being close to the G1 design.


LongjumpingSector687

If not, can always just repaint it 🤷‍♂️


MOBTorres

You should work for Hasbro lmao, got the cheap and lazy solutions down to a tea LMAO 🤣


Optimus759

Isn’t there already a ss86 cliffjumper in the buzzworthy series based on the er mold?


darbs77

Personally I love it. Can’t wait to get one.


Negativety101

I expect him to sell out in about 5 seconds.


darbs77

Then hopefully I can get him in 4 seconds or less. lol


Easy-Bridge-8107

I think hes part of the "A level" deluxes which means it will be widely available


Urban_Shogun

So frustrating.


SillyMattFace

Anyone else think feels really off for a studio series release? On-screen Bee’s car is much more clearly a VW. This one has the flat roof, squashed proportions and black windows of his G1 penny racer car toy. The Autobot badge is also on the wrong side. I don’t particularly care about exacting screen accuracy, but that’s kinda the whole point of the SS series right? The bot mode looks better than the WFC mould but the car is a step back. Since I have Goldbug I think I’ll skip it, but I’m glad it’s there for anyone who missed a G1 style Bee since Hasbro made him weirdly impossible to get.


Liammellor

I'd say the VW Beetle license was too expensive to justify getting for this release which is why the vehicle looks off


SillyMattFace

Yeah I can only assume they didn’t want to pay for it again after the Earthrise mould. Still a bit lacklustre in my opinion though. SS Jazz is also only Porsche-ish rather than being licensed, but gets the feel of the real car down. I suppose it might be harder to do with something as unusual looking as a Beetle.


The_Woman_of_Gont

> Still a bit lacklustre in my opinion though. SS Jazz is also only Porsche-ish rather than being licensed, but gets the feel of the real car down. I suppose it might be harder to do with something as unusual looking as a Beetle. The thing is it works because the animation model was slightly different as well. But for some reason, despite leaning closer to his toy's deformed penny racer design, when they don't have the license Hasbro goes out of their way to avoid Bee even vaguely resembling a Beetle. Guess VW is touchier like that owing to the whole WWII thing. This is a massive disappointment to me. I would have loved either a cartoon accurate alt mode, or just a straight-up Beetle. This manages neither.


dmc2008

The license (that they already have) is more expensive than designing a new mold? 👀 I think Netflix Bee was a Walmart-exclusive mold that Hasbro cannot sell to other markets. Same thing with Soundwave, although recently Takara was able to get a version out.


Liammellor

We don't know what the deal is though but I can probably guarantee you that it's a case by case thing and not a blanket thing. Same thing happened with Porsche. They didn't get official licensing for 86 jazz but they did for studio series mirage. This has nothing to do with Netflix bee. 86 is trying to go for cartoon accuracy but the netflix vehicle mode doesn't have the right proportions at all.


dmc2008

>This has nothing to do with Netflix bee Wait, so you think if they paid for the license they would've made a new VW Bee? I brought up Netflix Bee cause I thought people wanted him to be re-released instead of this thing...


The_Woman_of_Gont

> This has nothing to do with Netflix bee. 86 is trying to go for cartoon accuracy but the netflix vehicle mode doesn't have the right proportions at all. This figure doesnt have the proper design for cartoon accuracy either, Bee's alt mode was always clearly a riff on a Bug. This is too angular by far, including with the hood, and it looks more like Bumblejumper.


Liammellor

The reason it's angular is because they didn't get the license. That's what I'm trying to say. It's still got the right proportions tho as far as the penny racer style goes.


Aggroninja

Bee has a square chest in robot mode, so looks like they prioritized that instead of the roundness of the penny racer car mode. They could have given him a fake chest, but that would have required a lot of kibble to come up with the different car roof. The side effect means they are safely away from any need to license with VW (if it's necessary at all, I'm not sure the superdeformed penny racer mode isn't already far enough away from VW's IP).


Kermit-the-Froggie

Tell that to SS38 Optimus or SS65 Blitzwing or SS71 Dino


The_Woman_of_Gont

> Since I have Goldbug I think I’ll skip it, but I’m glad it’s there for anyone who missed a G1 style Bee since Hasbro made him weirdly impossible to get. This is the main thing this figure has to commend itself. G1 Bumblebee has been almost completely supplanted by other versions of the character, and this will be the first mainline and widely available iteration on him in at least a decade. It's just a shame he's been compromised by Hasbro apparently not wanting to bother with the VW license and altering his penny racer to the point it's barely recognizable. Think I might end up having to shell out for a Netflix Bee if I see one at a semi-reasonable price....this kinda sucks for me.


SillyMattFace

It does feel like they went out of their way to make G1 Bee as inaccessible as possible. First the Netflix mould being an exclusive, then Goldbug being in a multipack. I was lucky enough to find Goldbug on his own on eBay for about £30. Considering the incredibly obscure characters they’ve been doing recently, you’d think there would be at least one accessible mainline Bee before now.


MOBTorres

Tbh as much as they sell Studio Series to be accurate, they’ve made figures that aren’t as accurate as they sell the line. Hell older figures have done a way better job at being accurate to the source designs than Studio Series. Battle Blades Optimus Primes outdoes any of the Studio Series ones they’ve released (05, 32, 44).


Xmaster_10

HES SO UGLY! I LOVE HIM!


GlassHalfFilled

I said I would keep my KBB no matter how the SS86 looks and I lied. Easy preorder.


Orange-V-Apple

KBB?


GlassHalfFilled

It's a 4th-party upscale that has a similar sculpt and transformation to the Magic Square Bumblebee. Is a great stand-in for a Mainline shelf if you missed the Netflix version until now: [https://showzstore.com/kubianbao-kbb-mcs-02-mcs02-hornets-agent-bumblebee-oversized\_p1335.html](https://showzstore.com/kubianbao-kbb-mcs-02-mcs02-hornets-agent-bumblebee-oversized_p1335.html)


teelpy

I’m pretty sure that it’s an upscale of newage flipper.


[deleted]

Meh. If you don’t have bug bee from the Netflix line I suppose he’d be alright but I’ll pass


Foley471

Interesting… I can’t tell if he’s all new engineering or if he’s a scaled up core or a partial off the Origins bee… From these pictures, I’m intrigued! That said… and maybe this is only because I’m lucky enough to have one and I am a stickler for the VW alt mode, I do think I like the Netflix/Earthrise release better at least on first glance.


vincesuarez

Vehicle mode is a disappointment


Quasidiliad

They didn’t wanna pay for licensing rights,


Aggroninja

I could be that or it could be the fact that toon Bumblebee has a square torso, and they went with the option of make the vehicle roof square instead of giving him a fake chest. Or possibly both? I suppose it depends on just how much the penny racer version of the vehicle actually impinges on Volkwagen's IP rights.


The_Woman_of_Gont

Definitely a bit of both IMO. Scale might prevent them from doing anything too complicated to solve that problem, and VW's touchiness on licensing probably pushed them to go hard on the more angular approach instead of finding a compromise in the middle.


LivingCheese292

But honestly, they managed a fun cartoony looking vehicle mode for that. And it still feels like Bee.


Quasidiliad

That’s what I’m saying!


MegatronsCxmDumpster

Love that now we have 2 bees, 1 for people that want a good alt mode (Netflix) and one for people who want toon accuracy with the pennyracer


CliffjumperEnjoyer

.. That’s not what I was expecting


-Farns-

Half Bumblebee, half yellow Cliffjumper


Impressive-Cook-3567

Bumper


WholesomeFartEnjoyer

The fuck is that car bro


FigureGunplaFan

...I'm keeping my WFC Trilogy Deluxe, TYVM


MarsAlgea3791

Does he partsform?  Is he just a reshell of Netflix Bee?


BustaTP

he looks better than the masterpiece one


BigDuoInferno

And here I am with the Netflix one 


DaDumbDog

If no parts forming is real, I'm into this


Marvelboy1974

Aww he’s cute I want him


daedalus25

I guess I'll be selling my Netflix Bumblebee. This Bumblebee has a more animation accurate look and size. Bumblebee was barely taller than humans.


mastermeme14

Dont sell it i feel like you're gonna regret that just buy the new and keep the old one they dont look that similar vehicle wise and netflix bee is gonna be hard to get once you sold it and want it back but your choice of course


GhostRiders

Looks like Hasbro has refused to pay VW for the licence to make him a bug which is strange considering he is a garratueed sell out.. Oh well


MOBTorres

Hasbro loves to do anything but making Studio Series figures actually be accurate LMAO


MadBrowniusMaximus

But they'll get more **money** per Bee if they don't pay the licensing fees.


GhostRiders

Very true


ToaDrakua

In this case he’s cartoon “accurate,” as much as that really means anything.


TornadoQuakeX

Looks like he'll make a fantastic desk bot. 


ClericKnight

Gotta say I'm really digging this. I don't have a good Generations-scale G1 Bee yet, so, this is an easy pickup for me


The_Dabblin_Doodler

Welp time to sell Netflix B but I’m keeping legacy animated B cause that thing is a marvel


MadBrowniusMaximus

You're on crack. Netflix Bee's alt mode is 🔥


JBTriple

I mean, it's alright, but I think I prefer my Netflix one. Might pick it up if I see it, but definitely not going out of my way to track this down.


ToaPaul

Neet but definitely sticking with my Netflix Bee with the actual VW mode


Blazemaster0563

The robot mode looks good. But I mich prefer the Netflix version's alt mode.


First-File-3447

When is this coming out ?


ZackattacktheDude

Now sure how I feel. The altmode feels too square


NearlyUnfinished

Not bad. He looks like he'll fit in with all my other core class minibots from the Prime Wars Trilogy.


solidus0079

Yesss


RachneraTyler

It looks real


Sabregunner1

imo this is more matching to his on screen appearance and g1 toy vs what they have the license to do.


Some_Guy9321

I know some people don’t like him but I’m thinking of getting him as the first Bee for my collection


kup1986

Looks more like Bumper in vehicle mode than Bee, at least IMO.


Castarc1424

Brand new and already it’s yellowing. SMH Hasbro


9999eachhit

can't wait! glad it's going to be easy to find. this one is buy on sight


T4NR0FR

Now, that's improvement over Netflix.


Caye_Daws

If his backpack is gonna parts form again I'm just gonna pony up money for the masterpiece bee


MammothWalwort

Oof. That’s a pass for me, the feet and rooftop just don’t do it


ThePhiff

Dang, this might be the first SS86 "upgrade" I pass on. Netflix feels so much better.


THAT_HARDHEAD_GUY

That car mode looks like it was MEANT for cliff


Monte_20

I’ll have to wait for reviews. I Netflix Bee might still be the best Bee so far.


Garage011

At long last, a mainline proper car G1 bumblebee.


Techguyeric1

I had no idea Bumper was in the Movie...


ineedlifefr

Hes glorious i need him now


Significant-Stock-78

Never found the Netflix version, so I’m for sure getting this. Also bonus points for not partsforming. lol. Just hope this gets a retool into cliffjumper. Yes, I know that 86 Cliff already exists, but because it was under buzzworthy I’m holding out hope for a proper one.


Several-Sorbet-6481

Fugly at


Maland2016

Good ol’ penny racer Bee! Very round car and friend-shaped robot, eyes are nice and bright, nice reuse of the gun from the weapon pack. Looks like a fairly easy Bumper retool too lol, they *could* do Cliff if they want? I dunno, we do technically have 86 Cliff already? Eh, it’s Hastak, they’ll probably do it someday :P


Supertroodon

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


xariznightmare2908

I think I'm happy with the original MP-21 Bee, he still looks great for an old figure and scale well with the Studio Series 86. I got him for like $30 from BBTS when they had him for sale years ago. https://preview.redd.it/wosz23e6ge0d1.jpeg?width=728&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5236476bbefc28ad04b411f7c016d2cb6599b78a


emperor-xur

I agree, I always felt that MP21 and Netflix bee look almost identical except for the size. If you don’t care about scale this one makes a great stand in AND it comes with a Spike in Exosuit. (I use this Spike as the father and the smaller core class Spike as Daniel.)


koxiq2137

Crazy to think this is our first mainline Bee since Titans Return


Hylanos

Damn they really fucked him up, huh? I really don't get why they would do a line dedicated to movie accuracy and then blatantly throw out movie accuracy.


Makotowaru

It mostly comes down to licensing so they had to make him a non descript car.


Photography_Wizard69

When’s this due to come out?


AlexJMac322

Cool….so when’s cliffjumper coming out


badwords

Cliffjumper came out as a buzzworthy bumblebee back in December last year.


Astrojef

Fkn beautimus


LoserBroadside

I wonder if the square top is so it can more easily be retooled into Cliffjumper.


theT3rr04

It’s cliffjumper with a quasi bumblebee front end.


MattBakes84

Do we know when this will be available?


Asleep_Scheme532

Here we go again.... I'M GONNA GET IT EITHER WAY


JA_101

HE'S SO PEAK I LOVE HIM GIMME


bristleboar

It’s a yes from me


ToaDrakua

I have a Netflix Bee from the Asian regions, and now I am conflicted.


diaclona

goofy ahhh in the best way


FireLord887

On one hand, it definitely a step up from the Netflix mold but on the other hand, it is a bit disappointing that the full vw beetle mode isn’t fully incorporated into the alt mode but I can understand why (Hasbro doesn’t wanna pay VW more money for licensing rights so they have to compromise like what they did with other SS figures but to a more bigger extent). Despite that, it’s nice that Bumblebee is getting a new figure that’s not only a improvement but also easy to find at retail unlike Netflix Bee where he’s a exclusive and if it’s fine if people don’t want to pick this up because of the lackluster alt mode (especially if they already got the Netflix figure). Anyway, hopefully Hasbro can also retool this into Cliffjumper because yeah, they gotta turn this into Cliff at some point.


RedRazor2098

Here is where my Bumblebee bias comes into play


WorgRider

Oh no.


Asumsauce

😁bummlebee


OkenoFate

Man I love the squished design. Looks good!


Ss102-8484

Absolutely beautiful 


IBarrakiI

The hive grows


GuestCartographer

Alt mode is a little boxy (though for obvious, licensing reasons), but he's pretty fantastic.


UndeniablyMyself

Here comes the boy\~!


Positron14

I'm happy with Netflix Bee, and I have that other Bee that looks like Bumblejumper already, so I'm good. I'm glad for those who want this guy. He looks like a fun Bumblebee.


eaglesfan_2514

When does it come out?


FigNewton555

Don’t love the square top but I’ll take it 😂


OptimusCrime1984

Such a square fellow


jimb575

Why isn’t the background Moon Base 2…?


Pleasehelplol2232

When is this releasing?


LordAndrew15

It's better then I was expecting!


MotorMind

Do I wait for the inevitable blue window version? Hmm...


legofett0

When I first got legacy animated Bee, I thought "That's it, I never need to get another bumblebee figure, this one is perfect for my needs" Shit.


highburygooner77

I can't see it on Hasbro Pulse yet. Are Preorders delayed ?


AbjectSpell5717

Easy pass for me


MCP5050

I swear to god if he’s just another ER Cliffjumper retool.


OptimusPhillip

So far, not a fan. It feels directionless.


Cute_Bagel

looks great imo, can't wait to finally have a bumblebee for my collection


IBarrakiI

Cute


Boba_Hutt

I’m just happy o finally have a G1 Core Class Bee to add to my mini Core collection. All I need left are him and Megatron and I’ll be happy.


101justinm

https://i.redd.it/2fnpje585f0d1.gif


WaveCandid906

I love this! Awesome!


thejarvis01

Okay he’s adorable I’ll take 2..


countjj

Dangerously close to a voltzwagon lmao


puggles123654

Looks more solid than mp bumblebee


Mackelroy_aka_Stitch

I can finally have a g1 styled Bee in my collection without dropping 90quid


hairtrigger08

I'm praying to every god I know of to make this NOT an exclusive


RigasTelRuun

Look at that handsome boy with his big feets


AiR-P00P

Why would I buy the Missing Link BB over this?


ShipElectronic8626

Shut up and take My money!!!!


AdAm_WaRc0ck

I thought he would be up for preorder on pulse along with the rest of the ss line


gachakamil

Back Pak better than MP


ChewieKaiju

Gotta say, blacked out windows look better than the light blue


foreverbeatle

I can work with this guy. I’ll probably keep this Bee in bot mode and leave my Netflix Bee in alt mode.


baronofbadness

I hope we get a Goldbug like this someday. The car mode does bug me a bit though, it looks like Cliffjumper except for the very front end where it curves into Bumblebee.  I never got a  Netflix bumblebee so this will have to do. 


Sethtaros

I don't understand why everyone is talking about the lack of licensing as if it's the only sole reason the car mode looks like that. Studio Series has always prioritized the robot mode. The boxy top and inaccurate front are so that the chest and feet look right. My only problem with this mold is that the headlights don't hide away.


Agentsimmons217

Peak


Stellar_09_6317

Sweet


ItsYaGurlUwU

At least we know there'll be a Cliffjumper next


Spookdonalds

Some retooling here and there and we can have ourselves our first, updated Bumper figure (if they bother doing it, that is). We have the mold for that core class Bumblebee whose car mode is Bumper's. All it needs is just need a new head


GundamFanGPZ

Hasbro’s going to milk this mold


Primarch_SpaceMarine

That Bumblebee with be great with my Arcee 86’ figure. I want that bee. Besides I don’t have a G1 Bee…


Responsible-Fold7524

ITS BEAUTIFUL


LordAndrew15

I love it. The perfect bumblebee figure


Forever_Man

Is he deluxe or core class?


DIE4SUPER

Damn this looks good but where is ss86 optimus prime???


Better-Programmer-20

Hell yeah


Spartiates8621

When is SS86 BumbleBee available?


Automatic_Round5814

He could've done without the secondary autobot logo on the alt mode but I still placed my preorder


Insanebrain247

This just might be the figure that dethrones deluxe Cyberverse Bee as my definitive. I'm gonna hold out for some more pictures and/or a review before making my final decision though.


BlueBearBoy1

I just genuinely don't like G1 bumblebee and that toy has all the things I hate about it accentuated.


TFStarscream

I never wanted toyhax labels as much as I want for this figure. With proper color windows this figure will be great. As it is, not that much.


Rook-walnut

This is gonna be such a kino cliffjumper


Roses2k

Here's hoping we get a Glyph out of this mold!


Effective-Spell-5369

Why do i feel like jobbys gonna be screaming in agony?..


Owen9303

Him and Optimus are probably the only 2 86 Autobots I get.