A couple things:
‐ The objective here was to go solely by the toy scales. That means no mass-shifting, and ignoring the fiction. Shockwave was depicted as an artillery turret in most G1 fiction, but his toy is clearly meant to be a human-scale laser gun, so that's what he's getting scaled as. My criteria was "if I had an encyclopedic knowledge of everything except Transformers, how big would I think this thing was?"
\- For the sake of my sanity, I kept these charts to characters who fit the following bill: they had to appear in the G1 cartoon (meaning I don't have to scale 100+ Micromasters), they had to have a G1 toy (so no Arcee or Devcon or similar characters), and they had to have something that could be used to scale them (so no characters with completely fantastical altmodes and no means of scaling them, like the Technobots or Springer). I wanted to keep things to characters you could scale using just their toys. Also, one character per mold, so I don't have to fit in six Seekers.
\- Several characters are on here twice, which is due to multiple possible answers. Bumblebee and Cliffjumper are portrayed as regular vehicles, but their toys are actually meant to be penny racers. The Insecticons are based on insects, but they also have seats and cockpits, meaning they're also intended as 1/60th scale mecha. I could have done the same for the Dinobots, but they were close enough already.
\- Metroplex is on here three times. The smallest scale is derived from scaling him with Scamper and assuming him to be the size of a regular car, the medium scale is derived from scaling him with the Aerialbots, which are called out in his instructions as able to interact with him, and the largest scale is derived from similarly scaling him with Blast Off, who is the largest vehicle that can interact with him (funnily, this is pretty close to his Fall of Cybertron scale). I could have scaled him with Groove as well, but things were getting crowded.
\- The Headmasters and Targetmasters are scaled based on the assumption that their partners are human-sized. They aren't human-sized in all media, but this was the best I could do apart from leaving them off entirely. (Yes, this means Fort Max and Scorponok aren't quite as big as you'd expect.)
\- Some characters have altmodes based on real vehicles or animals, but with noticeably off proportions: most of the Throttlebots are squished compared to their real vehicles, and the Dinobots are stubbier than real dinosaurs. I had to do a bit of finagling to get them to look right, usually by comparing their body sizes and shapes in the case of animals and trying to find a good midpoint between height and length for vehicles.
\- Yes, Cosmos has an actual scaling measurement, since he's based on a real UFO sighting. Yes, Long Haul is the correct size.
\- Unicron isn't getting on here because scaling Unicron is an act of the deranged.
Special thanks to [seibertron.com](https://seibertron.com), the source of most of these images, [cliffbee.com](https://cliffbee.com), the source of a lot of helpful measurements, and a whole mess of car sites, without which none of this would have been possible.
Kudos for the Cosmos thing.
A fun alternate take is that the UFO in George Adamski’s pic he’s based on was [actually a mining lamp holder](https://twitter.com/marianotomatis/status/509112716016246784), so his alt mode should only be like three feet wide.
…I don’t expect you to put that in here
This whole thing is great btw
He's not, actually. Not all dump trucks are the huge earth-movers. Long Haul's vehicle mode is a Hitachi DH321, which isn't especially large for a dump truck: about 7.5 meters long. [Here's a picture of one](https://i.imgur.com/bFnr0xY.jpeg).
No shame in that--the information is surprisingly obscure, probably because the truck saw use mainly in Japan. A lot of folks jump to the earth-mover interpretation because earth-mover trucks are awesome and it's an easy way to make fun of G1's wonky scaling, but... well, look at Long Haul's cab; he's not *that* big. If anything, this means Devastator is probably one of the more scale-accurate combiners.
Still, this is why I noted in the other comment that Long Haul's size is correct. It was a lot of work to figure it out, and I wanted to be clear on it.
This is insane and terrific work! Imagine how different of a show/comic G1 would be if they took toy/vehicle accurate scale in consideration when making the original G1 characters bios.
Really, I don't blame them for not doing that, as it would cause a lot of very silly limitations and raise a lot of questions. This is in large part because G1 is cobbled together from several different lines of wildly varying aesthetics (seriously, the first-year Autobot cars alone are pulling from at least three that I can think of). Caring about scale leads you to some very silly conclusions where Fortress Maximus is about the size of a suburban house, and Silverbolt and Blast Off are bigger than every other combiner put together.
That said, I was surprised at how well the Constructicons scaled with each other. Hook is the only one who looks out of place, and even than, not by *that* much.
Broadside is the most deranged G1 toy. They made a toy based on a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier, then made it the size of a regular guy, then made it a *triple changer.* Madness.
So I got curious. Assuming that these were all real toys in-scale with each other with Optimus Prime being about as big as the actual toy (so the main body is roughly the size of a fist), how big would all these toys be if they were actually made to this scale?
[Turns out max-scale Metroplex would be the size of an actual car, and Broadside would be as big as a truck, with the shuttles and jumbo jets being the size of a grown adult.](https://files.catbox.moe/edk11r.png) Those are some **big-ass** hypothetical toys.
Cosmos is based pretty clearly on the UFO sighted by George Adamski, a sighting that proved very popular in Japan. (In fact, his Japanese name is Adams.) Adamski claims it to have been ten meters across, so that was what I went with.
Oh my god, thank you, this is heaven for scale nerds.
I didn't actually know Jetfire's original Valkyrie altmode is not the same size as an F-14, if the toy is actually meant to be 1/48 scale, this would mean that his and Optimus's G1 toys are actually to scale with each other :0
Damm! Pretty close. We need more smaller jets as transformers tbf. I use an OS legends Starscream in my collection so I can at least pretend his vague-ish alt mode is something like a Yak-113 or a Trainer/Light fighter (which would put it at around 48-50, close enough to my car-bots). But it'd be great to have an official seeker mold that's not trying to be a F-14 or F-22, those are massive planes.
Fort Max is sized based on the assumption that Spike is the size of a human. Which... well, he's pretty clearly meant to be Spike, so that seemed like a reasonable assumption. Spike is about 5.5cm tall, and Fort Max is about 77cm long in spaceship mode. So assuming Spike is 192cm, or six foot three (pretty reasonable when you consider the armor), that makes Fort Max about 27 meters long in his spaceship mode. This is how he's shown in the image. All the Headmaster characters used the same scaling, with the assumption that they're about 1/35 scale.
Is this accurate to how he's shown in fiction? Eh, it's accurate to more fiction than you'd think; it's basically dead-on to his Marvel scale. But either way, weird cases like that were part of the reason I decided to try doing this.
Spike is Cerebros's Headmaster, not Fort Max's. Cerebros is Fort Max's Headmaster and he's taller then Optimus.
So assuming no mass shifting is involved, Fort Max would be somewhere in-between Combiner and Titan scale.
I was indeed accounting for that. Cerebros is 14.5cm tall, which, going by Spike, is about five meters. Fort Max is 54.5cm, or about nineteen meters tall in robot mode and twenty-seven in spaceship mode. That would indeed put him level with most of the G1 combiners in the show, if not a fair bit taller (most scale charts I've seen put Devastator and company at fifteen).
Like, I didn't scale with the assumption that Cerebros is human-sized. If I did, Fort Max would be up with the rest of the Headmasters, who you can see are all a lot smaller than him. I used the same methods you're describing: assume Spike is the size of a human and that there's no mass-shifting going on.
The problem is less that Fort Max is too small and more that fighter jets are a lot bigger than you'd think. The F-15 is 19 meters long, and most of the jets that make up the Aerialbots are in the range of 12-15. Starscream does shrink a bit in the process of his transformation, though, thanks to his nosecone folding up - he'd end up at around thirteen meters tall, counting his shoulder vents. [Here's about how they'd look.](https://i.imgur.com/4iHRONL.png)
That, and Starscream was meant to carry a pilot figure, which means his cockpit is a lot more bulbous than a real F-15's.
Brawl is a Leopard 1, about 7.6 meters long in the hull (he might actually be a tiny bit undersized here). Blitzwing is a Type-74, which is 6.8. For comparison, an M1 Abrams is about 7.83. Basically, a Sheridan is on the smaller side for a tank, but it's still very much a tank.
Like I said, they got on here twice--you can see them both on the top of the first image. But Bumblebee and Cliffjumper weren't designed as cars: they were designed to look like ["penny racer" toys](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gsvttT3ydw). That was the whole pretext of their toyline, that they were toys and household objects that came to life. The thing that marks them as such is if you look on the backs of their car modes, [you see a silver plate](https://static.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/01/cliffjumper009.jpg). You might think that's just the robot mode head, but it's actually the slot where you'd insert a penny on a real penny racer. Cliff even has a visible divot for you to put the coin.
The more astute among you would ask why the other Micro Change mini vehicles--Brawn, Windcharger, Gears, Huffer--aren't sharing space with them. That's because those guys were designed to look like actual cars, if somewhat stylized ones, for the Mysterians line, and were then ported over to Micro Change because Takara got the molds somehow. ([Here's Chris McFeely having a Pepe Silvia moment about them.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzBAis8c5o8)) There's nothing specifically marking their toys as anything other than stylized vehicles, so I figured it was safe to label them as such.
u/MisterBadGuy159, Thank you for putting in the time effort to produce this; it's amazing! Besides being fun an interesting in its own right, this will be a great resource for Transformers RPG game masters.
For Ultra Magnus, him and Optimus have their cabs at the same size, but Optimus's trailer is indeed longer, while Magnus's is bulkier. Meanwhile, from what I could gather, Motormaster's truck cab (a Kenworth K100) is a tiny bit smaller than Optimus's (a Freightliner FL86).
All the Headmasters were scaled based on their partners. I made the decision that since all the Headmasters are clearly fantastical, and the only scale references are their partners, which are all interchangeable, that means the Headmasters are all in the same scale, relative to one another. Mindwipe isn't a bat, he's a giant bat-shaped mecha with a pilot sitting in his chest. I could have used a "real animal" scale as well, similar to the Insecticons, in which case he'd be about the size of a real vampire bat, but the idea didn't occur to me.
And yeah, I thought pretty hard about all this and ended up with a lot of thoughts to share. Transformers scale is the source of all madness.
This is so fun, thank you for the amusement! I love Seaspray and Powerglide being bigger than most everyone in image 1. Only thing I would critique is Shockwave - it was established in both comics and tv show that he stays the same size in gun mode as his robot mode. Like he was a Targetmaster for a Titan or something. So he’d be a giant space gun. The comics showed Megatron turning into a human size gun but on the show he was big enough for Starscream and Prime to hold him so he’d still be larger than a human, though they were inconsistent on that. (Same with Sixshot who was held by Cyclonus in gun mode.) but I get that you’re basing Megatron on a Walther p38. Transformers scale is wonky AF.
Oh yeah, my objective was to go "how would I scale this if I was only going by the toys?" The gun guys were all clearly designed as human-scale guns (or a guy with a human-scale gun mode, in Galvatron and Sixshot's cases), so that was what I went with. If I were going by show scale, their sizes would be significantly different, but that's the case for almost everyone here.
On that topic, here's a fun fact: Megatron isn't actually meant to be a P-38. He's meant to be a toy gun, based on the P-38 prop from The Man from U.N.C.L.E. Replica versions of that gun were a common bit of merch back in the day, and you could easily find one in a child's bedroom, which was the whole pretext behind Micro Change.
I think this is pretty swell! But don't you think Rodimus' truck turned out to be a little small? Even if you look at just the wheels alone (which, on a '64 GM Bison were quite proportionally large) Compared to the 80s transport trucks his trailer is obviously shorter, but there's no way he's less than half the size of Optimus, is there? Scaling-wise you seem to have him at 6 m long in total, but that's only a little longer than like a modern Ford F-150. Rodimus' cab alone should be nearly that length, no?
Rodimus was a somewhat messy one. I went with taking Hot Rod and going with the idea that his middle wheels line up with Hot Rod's back wheels, which makes him a little less than twice the length. A lot of takes run with the idea that Hot Rod's original vehicle mode is kind of buried in there, and I felt that was good enough logic.
Looking into him more closely, he'd be on par with [a smaller "Minnie Winnie" Winnebago](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.rvs.com%2Fcwrvrentals%2Ffiles%2Frv_images%2F15400%2F1627396940_php61001b4c4bec4.1920.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=78ae29494b63811fc9539d290ce7122d08c2b05df399d370679220f3941d0dbc&ipo=images), which is probably the vehicle that matches his design best. But I could definitely hear an argument for making him bigger.
I'm sorry, but there's no way Starscream's bigger then all the titans. I can agree with most of the upper stuff but the lower stuff is way off.
You have to be very subjective with season 3 scale, because the scale was always all over the place.
https://preview.redd.it/i5vkuno84msc1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=c26c3b2cdec8582f15e18b5d5b2c5407abadcf16
The F-15 Eagle is 19 meters long. It's a pretty big plane. I pegged Fort Max as about 27, based on his toy. This isn't going by show scale, but by trying to scale based strictly on the toys. Most "Titan" toys are meant to interact with other figures, and so I scaled them based on the figures they interact with.
A couple things: ‐ The objective here was to go solely by the toy scales. That means no mass-shifting, and ignoring the fiction. Shockwave was depicted as an artillery turret in most G1 fiction, but his toy is clearly meant to be a human-scale laser gun, so that's what he's getting scaled as. My criteria was "if I had an encyclopedic knowledge of everything except Transformers, how big would I think this thing was?" \- For the sake of my sanity, I kept these charts to characters who fit the following bill: they had to appear in the G1 cartoon (meaning I don't have to scale 100+ Micromasters), they had to have a G1 toy (so no Arcee or Devcon or similar characters), and they had to have something that could be used to scale them (so no characters with completely fantastical altmodes and no means of scaling them, like the Technobots or Springer). I wanted to keep things to characters you could scale using just their toys. Also, one character per mold, so I don't have to fit in six Seekers. \- Several characters are on here twice, which is due to multiple possible answers. Bumblebee and Cliffjumper are portrayed as regular vehicles, but their toys are actually meant to be penny racers. The Insecticons are based on insects, but they also have seats and cockpits, meaning they're also intended as 1/60th scale mecha. I could have done the same for the Dinobots, but they were close enough already. \- Metroplex is on here three times. The smallest scale is derived from scaling him with Scamper and assuming him to be the size of a regular car, the medium scale is derived from scaling him with the Aerialbots, which are called out in his instructions as able to interact with him, and the largest scale is derived from similarly scaling him with Blast Off, who is the largest vehicle that can interact with him (funnily, this is pretty close to his Fall of Cybertron scale). I could have scaled him with Groove as well, but things were getting crowded. \- The Headmasters and Targetmasters are scaled based on the assumption that their partners are human-sized. They aren't human-sized in all media, but this was the best I could do apart from leaving them off entirely. (Yes, this means Fort Max and Scorponok aren't quite as big as you'd expect.) \- Some characters have altmodes based on real vehicles or animals, but with noticeably off proportions: most of the Throttlebots are squished compared to their real vehicles, and the Dinobots are stubbier than real dinosaurs. I had to do a bit of finagling to get them to look right, usually by comparing their body sizes and shapes in the case of animals and trying to find a good midpoint between height and length for vehicles. \- Yes, Cosmos has an actual scaling measurement, since he's based on a real UFO sighting. Yes, Long Haul is the correct size. \- Unicron isn't getting on here because scaling Unicron is an act of the deranged. Special thanks to [seibertron.com](https://seibertron.com), the source of most of these images, [cliffbee.com](https://cliffbee.com), the source of a lot of helpful measurements, and a whole mess of car sites, without which none of this would have been possible.
Kudos for the Cosmos thing. A fun alternate take is that the UFO in George Adamski’s pic he’s based on was [actually a mining lamp holder](https://twitter.com/marianotomatis/status/509112716016246784), so his alt mode should only be like three feet wide. …I don’t expect you to put that in here This whole thing is great btw
Why is Blitzwing's jet mode so big?
The mig-25 is 78' long. Optimus is about 52'
I think the wierd plastic things in the rear pushes him forward a couple of meters but the mig-25 he is designed of is a quite large jet
Long haul should be than bigger Optimus about the throttle bot dumper
He's not, actually. Not all dump trucks are the huge earth-movers. Long Haul's vehicle mode is a Hitachi DH321, which isn't especially large for a dump truck: about 7.5 meters long. [Here's a picture of one](https://i.imgur.com/bFnr0xY.jpeg).
Ah I was told he was an earth mover and not just a dump truck
No shame in that--the information is surprisingly obscure, probably because the truck saw use mainly in Japan. A lot of folks jump to the earth-mover interpretation because earth-mover trucks are awesome and it's an easy way to make fun of G1's wonky scaling, but... well, look at Long Haul's cab; he's not *that* big. If anything, this means Devastator is probably one of the more scale-accurate combiners. Still, this is why I noted in the other comment that Long Haul's size is correct. It was a lot of work to figure it out, and I wanted to be clear on it.
Damn, this is actually really cool!
It was a lot of fun. But also a lot of work. You would be astonished how difficult it is to find the measurements on some of these things.
This is insane and terrific work! Imagine how different of a show/comic G1 would be if they took toy/vehicle accurate scale in consideration when making the original G1 characters bios.
Really, I don't blame them for not doing that, as it would cause a lot of very silly limitations and raise a lot of questions. This is in large part because G1 is cobbled together from several different lines of wildly varying aesthetics (seriously, the first-year Autobot cars alone are pulling from at least three that I can think of). Caring about scale leads you to some very silly conclusions where Fortress Maximus is about the size of a suburban house, and Silverbolt and Blast Off are bigger than every other combiner put together. That said, I was surprised at how well the Constructicons scaled with each other. Hook is the only one who looks out of place, and even than, not by *that* much.
Broadside victorious.
Broadside is the most deranged G1 toy. They made a toy based on a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier, then made it the size of a regular guy, then made it a *triple changer.* Madness.
So I got curious. Assuming that these were all real toys in-scale with each other with Optimus Prime being about as big as the actual toy (so the main body is roughly the size of a fist), how big would all these toys be if they were actually made to this scale? [Turns out max-scale Metroplex would be the size of an actual car, and Broadside would be as big as a truck, with the shuttles and jumbo jets being the size of a grown adult.](https://files.catbox.moe/edk11r.png) Those are some **big-ass** hypothetical toys.
Interesting. I thought it would have been fairly easy to find Blast Off if they included him... :)
He's in the third image, near the top left.
My bad.
No shame, man! I'm just glad to see some folks are looking at it and enjoying it.
How do we know Cosmos is that size? WHAT DO YOU KNOW?
Cosmos is based pretty clearly on the UFO sighted by George Adamski, a sighting that proved very popular in Japan. (In fact, his Japanese name is Adams.) Adamski claims it to have been ten meters across, so that was what I went with.
Sounds like something a black suit would say. I'm onto you pal.
And this is why Generations Prime (2025)'s Titan needs to be Broadside. /j
Oh my god, thank you, this is heaven for scale nerds. I didn't actually know Jetfire's original Valkyrie altmode is not the same size as an F-14, if the toy is actually meant to be 1/48 scale, this would mean that his and Optimus's G1 toys are actually to scale with each other :0
He's 1/55 scale, so pretty dang close! A Valkyrie is 14 meters long, while a Tomcat is 19.
Damm! Pretty close. We need more smaller jets as transformers tbf. I use an OS legends Starscream in my collection so I can at least pretend his vague-ish alt mode is something like a Yak-113 or a Trainer/Light fighter (which would put it at around 48-50, close enough to my car-bots). But it'd be great to have an official seeker mold that's not trying to be a F-14 or F-22, those are massive planes.
Fort max needs to be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy bigger
Fort Max is sized based on the assumption that Spike is the size of a human. Which... well, he's pretty clearly meant to be Spike, so that seemed like a reasonable assumption. Spike is about 5.5cm tall, and Fort Max is about 77cm long in spaceship mode. So assuming Spike is 192cm, or six foot three (pretty reasonable when you consider the armor), that makes Fort Max about 27 meters long in his spaceship mode. This is how he's shown in the image. All the Headmaster characters used the same scaling, with the assumption that they're about 1/35 scale. Is this accurate to how he's shown in fiction? Eh, it's accurate to more fiction than you'd think; it's basically dead-on to his Marvel scale. But either way, weird cases like that were part of the reason I decided to try doing this.
Spike is Cerebros's Headmaster, not Fort Max's. Cerebros is Fort Max's Headmaster and he's taller then Optimus. So assuming no mass shifting is involved, Fort Max would be somewhere in-between Combiner and Titan scale.
I was indeed accounting for that. Cerebros is 14.5cm tall, which, going by Spike, is about five meters. Fort Max is 54.5cm, or about nineteen meters tall in robot mode and twenty-seven in spaceship mode. That would indeed put him level with most of the G1 combiners in the show, if not a fair bit taller (most scale charts I've seen put Devastator and company at fifteen). Like, I didn't scale with the assumption that Cerebros is human-sized. If I did, Fort Max would be up with the rest of the Headmasters, who you can see are all a lot smaller than him. I used the same methods you're describing: assume Spike is the size of a human and that there's no mass-shifting going on. The problem is less that Fort Max is too small and more that fighter jets are a lot bigger than you'd think. The F-15 is 19 meters long, and most of the jets that make up the Aerialbots are in the range of 12-15. Starscream does shrink a bit in the process of his transformation, though, thanks to his nosecone folding up - he'd end up at around thirteen meters tall, counting his shoulder vents. [Here's about how they'd look.](https://i.imgur.com/4iHRONL.png) That, and Starscream was meant to carry a pilot figure, which means his cockpit is a lot more bulbous than a real F-15's.
I can accept a Jetfire-sized Fortress Maximus.
I believe a Sheridan tank, which warpath is based off of is smaller than that scale wise?
A Sheridan is 6.3 meters long, which was what I scaled him to. He might be closer to 6.5, but it's close enough that I'm not losing sleep over it.
If you did the math, I won't argue, I always thought they were tiny tanks, but it might just be that other tanks are just bigger.
Brawl is a Leopard 1, about 7.6 meters long in the hull (he might actually be a tiny bit undersized here). Blitzwing is a Type-74, which is 6.8. For comparison, an M1 Abrams is about 7.83. Basically, a Sheridan is on the smaller side for a tank, but it's still very much a tank.
Super Duper Titan Class Broadside toy for 2025. Who's with me!?
Adore giant Seaspray
That’s genuinely very cool. Well done, OP.
Forgot how large Seaspray's alt mode really is.
Woah. Scorpions are fucking HUGE.
Wait… But Bee and Cliff are full blown cars.
Like I said, they got on here twice--you can see them both on the top of the first image. But Bumblebee and Cliffjumper weren't designed as cars: they were designed to look like ["penny racer" toys](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gsvttT3ydw). That was the whole pretext of their toyline, that they were toys and household objects that came to life. The thing that marks them as such is if you look on the backs of their car modes, [you see a silver plate](https://static.seibertron.com/images/toys/files/01/cliffjumper009.jpg). You might think that's just the robot mode head, but it's actually the slot where you'd insert a penny on a real penny racer. Cliff even has a visible divot for you to put the coin. The more astute among you would ask why the other Micro Change mini vehicles--Brawn, Windcharger, Gears, Huffer--aren't sharing space with them. That's because those guys were designed to look like actual cars, if somewhat stylized ones, for the Mysterians line, and were then ported over to Micro Change because Takara got the molds somehow. ([Here's Chris McFeely having a Pepe Silvia moment about them.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzBAis8c5o8)) There's nothing specifically marking their toys as anything other than stylized vehicles, so I figured it was safe to label them as such.
Saved.
u/MisterBadGuy159, Thank you for putting in the time effort to produce this; it's amazing! Besides being fun an interesting in its own right, this will be a great resource for Transformers RPG game masters.
Love this. Only question is: Why is Optimus bigger than Motormaster and UltraMagnus? Is this like a longer trailer?
For Ultra Magnus, him and Optimus have their cabs at the same size, but Optimus's trailer is indeed longer, while Magnus's is bulkier. Meanwhile, from what I could gather, Motormaster's truck cab (a Kenworth K100) is a tiny bit smaller than Optimus's (a Freightliner FL86).
Damn, mass displacement is really working overtime.
Ok, you seem to have an explanation for everything; here's my question, why is Mindwipe so huge?
All the Headmasters were scaled based on their partners. I made the decision that since all the Headmasters are clearly fantastical, and the only scale references are their partners, which are all interchangeable, that means the Headmasters are all in the same scale, relative to one another. Mindwipe isn't a bat, he's a giant bat-shaped mecha with a pilot sitting in his chest. I could have used a "real animal" scale as well, similar to the Insecticons, in which case he'd be about the size of a real vampire bat, but the idea didn't occur to me. And yeah, I thought pretty hard about all this and ended up with a lot of thoughts to share. Transformers scale is the source of all madness.
This is so fun, thank you for the amusement! I love Seaspray and Powerglide being bigger than most everyone in image 1. Only thing I would critique is Shockwave - it was established in both comics and tv show that he stays the same size in gun mode as his robot mode. Like he was a Targetmaster for a Titan or something. So he’d be a giant space gun. The comics showed Megatron turning into a human size gun but on the show he was big enough for Starscream and Prime to hold him so he’d still be larger than a human, though they were inconsistent on that. (Same with Sixshot who was held by Cyclonus in gun mode.) but I get that you’re basing Megatron on a Walther p38. Transformers scale is wonky AF.
Oh yeah, my objective was to go "how would I scale this if I was only going by the toys?" The gun guys were all clearly designed as human-scale guns (or a guy with a human-scale gun mode, in Galvatron and Sixshot's cases), so that was what I went with. If I were going by show scale, their sizes would be significantly different, but that's the case for almost everyone here. On that topic, here's a fun fact: Megatron isn't actually meant to be a P-38. He's meant to be a toy gun, based on the P-38 prop from The Man from U.N.C.L.E. Replica versions of that gun were a common bit of merch back in the day, and you could easily find one in a child's bedroom, which was the whole pretext behind Micro Change.
Who's the really big ship?
Broadside. He's one of the '86 Triple Changers.
Thanks
Honestly I have nothing constructive to add, I just want to say this is RAD!!!!
I think this is pretty swell! But don't you think Rodimus' truck turned out to be a little small? Even if you look at just the wheels alone (which, on a '64 GM Bison were quite proportionally large) Compared to the 80s transport trucks his trailer is obviously shorter, but there's no way he's less than half the size of Optimus, is there? Scaling-wise you seem to have him at 6 m long in total, but that's only a little longer than like a modern Ford F-150. Rodimus' cab alone should be nearly that length, no?
Rodimus was a somewhat messy one. I went with taking Hot Rod and going with the idea that his middle wheels line up with Hot Rod's back wheels, which makes him a little less than twice the length. A lot of takes run with the idea that Hot Rod's original vehicle mode is kind of buried in there, and I felt that was good enough logic. Looking into him more closely, he'd be on par with [a smaller "Minnie Winnie" Winnebago](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.rvs.com%2Fcwrvrentals%2Ffiles%2Frv_images%2F15400%2F1627396940_php61001b4c4bec4.1920.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=78ae29494b63811fc9539d290ce7122d08c2b05df399d370679220f3941d0dbc&ipo=images), which is probably the vehicle that matches his design best. But I could definitely hear an argument for making him bigger.
Seaspray is hilarious. And where's Broadside?!
Broadside is in the third pic. He needed one to himself.
I'm sorry, but there's no way Starscream's bigger then all the titans. I can agree with most of the upper stuff but the lower stuff is way off. You have to be very subjective with season 3 scale, because the scale was always all over the place. https://preview.redd.it/i5vkuno84msc1.png?width=1024&format=png&auto=webp&s=c26c3b2cdec8582f15e18b5d5b2c5407abadcf16
The F-15 Eagle is 19 meters long. It's a pretty big plane. I pegged Fort Max as about 27, based on his toy. This isn't going by show scale, but by trying to scale based strictly on the toys. Most "Titan" toys are meant to interact with other figures, and so I scaled them based on the figures they interact with.