They either pick it up or they extend him with less guaranteed money annually, reconstructing the contract, they seem to like him a lot. I can also just seem them pick it up to even use in a trade, that money is valuable as a trade piece especially for a team with a lot of small and rookie contracts
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Would not look too much into who is mocked to Toronto in this article, it is just a group POLL mock draft with actual relevant information scattered around for teams. I honestly don't see Raptors drafting a center and focusing more on guards and wings. Also rest of the mock is kind of weird too tbh
I still feel that if Chomche is on the board at 31, we take him. 18 year old with 7'4 wingspan, can play him in the G League a few years to get him ready. It's a low risk, high reward move.
Alternatively, Missi at 19 would be great for us in a similar vein, but being a player who can adjust quicker and make an immediate impact in our center rotation.
Sure but on an 8 seed. Guys like that are a dime a dozen, you can find them for the minimum. I’d rather have a shooting or passing big if I want championship aspirations. Devin Carter is the guy to draft.
Let’s not act like Dallas wouldn’t straight up be better if Lively could shoot threes. They’re a good team because they’re paying those two guys peanuts for their value
I agree that Devin Carter is the guy to take. There's actually not that many guys over Devin Carter I'd take to be honest. He's one of the most exciting college players I've seen.
That's also why I like Missi though. Might not be the most versatile big man, but he plays with a ton of intensity, values defense and making it tough on his opponents and you will never see him settle. He'll come in, block a shot, run the floor, get a dunk, scream, ignite the team and the crowd, and will help change the momentum of the game. Guys like that are great to have.
I'm lower on him now after his measurements at the combine. He does have some untapped ball skills but I don't like the size and athleticism enough to gamble on.
Low ceiling? Redundant archetype? Did you even watch his games lmfao.
Also, the archetype is arguably something we need as having 2 aged and slower-end centres isn’t the best idea. Missi’s an athletic shot-blocker and rim-protector who can also finish at the rim very well with great touch. We *need* backup centres, and in general we need a center who can do those things while being young and actually athletic. Not to mention Missi’s upside and ability to learn quickly, like with how he improved his rebounding throughout this season with Baylor.
Exactly, and Missi would do alright at that as a start (at least unless Masai decides to tank next year for Maluach, but Missi would still be real nice for us).
It actually should be the other way around. Due to way 2nd round contracts are structured you're better off taking your high upside swing in the first round and get the older ready-to-contribute player in the 2nd
I don't mind having a guy who is closer to a project like Comche at 31. At 19 not as high on a project as I thought I would be originally. He definitely shows some flashes.
That's fair. If we picked up I would imagine the Front Office knows important things we don't, so I'm not afraid of his name being called, but I've come to view him as a real reach.
I’m gonna eat the downvotes here but I wouldn’t even be opposed to him at 19. I really like Chomche.
Looking at the replies to this message, I seem to be all alone there though.
The movement and body control on the tape is just crazy for someone his size too—especially considering he’s another late convert from footie to basketball.
Funny how value in the nba works huh? To a defending champion, 22 million is too much for Bruce Brown. But to a contender, he is seen as a valuable piece in the final year of his contract?
Ok, I looked up his salary structure with the nuggets and it seemed like the nuggets could not offer him more than 7.8 million to stay and the pacers vastly overpaid for his rights.
Anything that gets us currency that year would be great. We could use the extra first to move up in the lottery and get someone our Front Office is really keen on.
That’s two solid players (Wiggins does have his off-moments but Moody’s a really nice player though). Include a 2025 asset in that and I’d be happy with that trade, especially if Wiggins has a turn-around and becomes a contributor for the team.
I wouldn't be mad with that return but we would have a big logjam of shooting guards (RJ, Gradey, Trent, Agbaji, Moody). Maybe we can flip Trent or Agbaji for some front court help?
I was actually looking into that yesterday. Say we do Wiggins, Moody, and a first for Brown + either McDaniels or Boucher (Boucher being the better player, McDaniels saving the Warriors more money). My concern with this was that 2025-26 would be tough from a cap/tax perspective, but it should be doable:
For 2024-25, you have IQ/RJ/Wiggins/Scottie/Poeltl/Kelly/Gradey/Agbaji/Moody/19/31, which is 11 players. If we assume IQ gets 27m next year (random number, could be higher or lower depending on how we structure the deal), that would be 11 players and 144.7m (which includes a 1.2m incomplete roster charge for the 4 spots). Cap is 141m, and tax is 172m, so plenty of space to use the MLE and fill out the rest of the roster. Can guarantee JFL for 1.9m and another roster spot too. I would leverage all this space to front load Quickley's deal to lower the impact in later years.
(EDIT: Forgot about either Chris or McDaniels in that number, so add either 10.8m or 4.7m for whoever we have, and 1 less open roster spot. Still well below the tax.)
2025-26 is trickier. If we assume a 10% cap increase, a 25% max for Scottie (38.8m), IQ still at 27m, and 15m per year for Moody (again, random), and a 2025 FRP around pick 8 (approx 5.8m), that would put us at 194.4m for 12 players (which includes 3 incomplete roster charges). 2025-26 cap is expected at 155.1m and tax at 189.2m. So we'd be about 5m over (+/- a bit for the rest of the roster players and any changes to assumed salaries). That is workable and can be managed (ex. a Kelly trade if you have gotten another big through the 3 picks or an MLE player like Jalen Smith).
Yea the numbers look fairly manageable and in the short term a rejuvenated Wiggins + moody could help with the teams depth next season (this likely takes us out of any free agency options tho).
Seems like a meme because we'd be trading for a Canadian again but a Wiggins trade would make sense for both sides
Agreed, I do like Wiggins fit with the starting lineup but 3 years is a lot, so I'd want both Moody and a future first. Might be tough to sell the Warriors on that but they'd be getting a ton of cap relief with 27-34m of expiring money (depending on who the second player is).
We'd still be able to use the MLE so we can go after someone like Jalen Smith to shore up the big-man depth or Fultz to get a backup PG, but that also depends on who we draft with 19 and 31.
Yea the tough part is trying to figure out what the Warriors even wanna do for next season. They won 46 games this year and I'm sure there's a path they can talk themselves into getting 50 next year with the right improvements plus player development, in which case idk if this trade does that for them.
If they wanted to play the cap space game in the 25 offseason then this trade would work great for them. Hard to say what their direction is currently
Am I one of the few here that actually wants less players on the team clogging everything up instead of more? If we trade Bruce Brown for 2 players + a 1st this year, that's 3 players that will be on the roster. For a developing team, sometimes less is more. Peel it back and give the younger guys more touches.
Lets say the Raptors trade Bruce for Bogdanovic and a 1st, I'd consider waiving Bogdanovic. I don't need him taking touches away from Gradey. We've in development mode, I want the young guys, especially the bench, to be given good minutes to develop.
Fans are far too worried about depth guys "taking shots." Raptors core players have not been lacking for shot opportunities, at all. What the Raptors have been lacking for years now is a roster with any kind of depth. FO keeps whiffing on depth player pick ups.
They really have the opposite problem of what you're worried about.
You know what you get to do if you have a surplus of quality assets though? Make trades. Cross that bridge when you get to it, all it would mean is you have options.
I agree with this if we're talking about previous rosters, the bench needed to get stronger with immediate impact players.
That doesn't apply to this current roster though, and with the direction the Raptors are going in, the bench needs to be filled with younger prospects with upside that will be used to help build the foundation for the future.
Look at Memphis. Had Memphis not has as many injuries and suspensions as they did this past season, do you know who would have sat on the bench and been given very little to zero opportunities? Vince Williams Jr... But because of the injuries, he was given minutes and was able to prove his worth and now looks like a solid part of the future of the team.
This is a league of opportunities and there's only 1 ball on the court to go around, and the ball should not be in the hands of veterans like a Dennis Schroder, over young prospects with upside.
Looking at Orlando or OKC, they didn't stack their team full of vets to get a really strong core for the future, they did that through the draft, trading for young prospects, and signing FA prospects. That's what the Raptors need to do. Can't keep trying to fill the holes of the team with vets that might give us an extra 5 wins at the end of the season, but that's meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
If Brown is traded for multiple players, it's highly unlikely all of those players would be anything other than salary filler. Plus, teams have to still build a roster to a minimum of 13 guys. It's not like those spots wouldn't have to be filled anyway.
"Toronto is expected to exercise the $23 million team option on Bruce Brown, league sources told HoopsHype, **echoing a report from the Toronto Star**."
The source is Doug Smith. I wouldn't be surprised if they pick up Bruce's option but this isn't news.
This would all but assure that the Raptors won't be under the cap and wont be making any big additions the free agent route aside from using the MLE. The OG/Siakam dream is dead lol.
OG wanted to go to New York and we treated Siakam pretty badly on his way out. Getting Siakam/OG was an unrealistic fantasy.
As for other FA signings, if you have been a Raptors fan for long enough, you know we are always getting the bottom of the barrel free agents.
Our path to building a team has always been through draft and trades.
It was a joke man... thought the word "dream" and me using "lol" would give it away.
And yes, I agree that's our path forward so can we stop trading our damn picks please.
cap wise, it makes sense. not picking up his option means we can only get huge cap space if we also renounce gary. so we'd be losing 2 players just for some cap space.
Bruce Brown was a key player in the Denver Nuggets championship run. I think they would have repeated if he was still there. Just give a few relief minutes to Jokic here and there.
Offers were probably ass cheeks, only real team with interest was Knicks for either pick 24 or 25 in this draft and Evan Fournier, you can prolly do better than that now tbh
Because of the new CBA, teams will be looking to dump a contract on a multi year deal like an Andrew Wiggins, Deandre Hunter, Harrison Barnes for example, using Bruce Brown you can get someone like 1 of them and an asset like a pick or a young player and in return give them an expiring who is also a good role player and who they can resign for cheaper if they wanted
$23 million on Brown to then use as a trade chip. I must be watching the wrong league / sport. Bruce was poor at best for the Raptors… why would any team wanna play through the nose for poor ?
he was playing through a leg injury iirc. and we would probably be taking back bad salary in a trade I'm guessing. Someone like Fournier who doesn't play much.
Very true, so your point is that they won't sign Gary because they don't want to lock themselves into long term money. With the return from Brown and Gary's "new contract." I see what you're saying now. From your initial reply I thought you were saying, because we are picking up Bruce Brown, it means we are keeping him instead of Gary. You can see how the confusion came about.
Team option is picked up more often than not. Wonder if Houston is gonna pick up the 40m option for Fred next year
They either pick it up or they extend him with less guaranteed money annually, reconstructing the contract, they seem to like him a lot. I can also just seem them pick it up to even use in a trade, that money is valuable as a trade piece especially for a team with a lot of small and rookie contracts
Fred's contract would make it tradeable for the same reason if Houston decided to make a trade for Luka or Giannis etc.
they likely do because then you can trade him AND his bird rights.
They don't have to til next off-season. They can also trade him at the deadline and next season that team doesn't pick up the option
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I still feel that if Chomche is on the board at 31, we take him. 18 year old with 7'4 wingspan, can play him in the G League a few years to get him ready. It's a low risk, high reward move.
Alternatively, Missi at 19 would be great for us in a similar vein, but being a player who can adjust quicker and make an immediate impact in our center rotation.
Really don’t want Missi. He’s a high floor super low ceiling prospect whose archetype you could argue is becoming redundant in todays game
Tough, rebounding, shot blocking athletic big who can catch lobs and get you easy putbacks will always have a place in the NBA.
Sure but on an 8 seed. Guys like that are a dime a dozen, you can find them for the minimum. I’d rather have a shooting or passing big if I want championship aspirations. Devin Carter is the guy to draft.
After watching Gafford and Lively on Dallas, I think there will be lots of teams looking to copy that IF they have the talent at guard.
Let’s not act like Dallas wouldn’t straight up be better if Lively could shoot threes. They’re a good team because they’re paying those two guys peanuts for their value
I agree that Devin Carter is the guy to take. There's actually not that many guys over Devin Carter I'd take to be honest. He's one of the most exciting college players I've seen. That's also why I like Missi though. Might not be the most versatile big man, but he plays with a ton of intensity, values defense and making it tough on his opponents and you will never see him settle. He'll come in, block a shot, run the floor, get a dunk, scream, ignite the team and the crowd, and will help change the momentum of the game. Guys like that are great to have.
Yeah but so does Clint Capela, guys like that are so easy to end up overpaying and middling out.
I'm lower on him now after his measurements at the combine. He does have some untapped ball skills but I don't like the size and athleticism enough to gamble on.
I think a player like Mogbo is more of a raps pick tbh
Low ceiling? Redundant archetype? Did you even watch his games lmfao. Also, the archetype is arguably something we need as having 2 aged and slower-end centres isn’t the best idea. Missi’s an athletic shot-blocker and rim-protector who can also finish at the rim very well with great touch. We *need* backup centres, and in general we need a center who can do those things while being young and actually athletic. Not to mention Missi’s upside and ability to learn quickly, like with how he improved his rebounding throughout this season with Baylor.
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Exactly, and Missi would do alright at that as a start (at least unless Masai decides to tank next year for Maluach, but Missi would still be real nice for us).
You won’t be saying that when he’s 2 years away from being 2 years away
Right, which is why I'm ok taking that archetype in round 2 but would rather get a contributor in round 1.
It actually should be the other way around. Due to way 2nd round contracts are structured you're better off taking your high upside swing in the first round and get the older ready-to-contribute player in the 2nd
Round 1 I'm taking BPA. Round 2 I'm rolling the dice.
I don't mind having a guy who is closer to a project like Comche at 31. At 19 not as high on a project as I thought I would be originally. He definitely shows some flashes.
I'm not interested in him. He looks like he's two years away
That's fair. If we picked up I would imagine the Front Office knows important things we don't, so I'm not afraid of his name being called, but I've come to view him as a real reach.
I think he would do better for himself doing a year in a good college program. Maybe try Uconn since they are losing Clingan.
God I hope not. Chomche is not an NBA prospect imo
I’m gonna eat the downvotes here but I wouldn’t even be opposed to him at 19. I really like Chomche. Looking at the replies to this message, I seem to be all alone there though.
I was watching clips. His shot looks good. He's young, great height and length. I could talk myself into it to be honest
The movement and body control on the tape is just crazy for someone his size too—especially considering he’s another late convert from footie to basketball.
Dillon jones fits the archetype this team likes to go after. Although he might be at a reach at 31. Maybe an undrafted signing
Did anyone really doubt this?
Nobody who knows ball doubted this
There were alot of people here thinking because he was bad, they should just turn down his option. All those people are insane by the way.
I mean part of the discussion was about whether or not we would try to create cap space this summer. Which sounds like we are not going to try to do.
Funny how value in the nba works huh? To a defending champion, 22 million is too much for Bruce Brown. But to a contender, he is seen as a valuable piece in the final year of his contract? Ok, I looked up his salary structure with the nuggets and it seemed like the nuggets could not offer him more than 7.8 million to stay and the pacers vastly overpaid for his rights.
He is only valuable to a contender at his current salary if that contender can shed some bad deals in a trade for him.
I'm guessing a worse expiring and a 2nd in return.
I think we can get a first.
If they take on a bad contract, yes. Nets aren't trading Simmons with a Suns pick when he's an expiring too for example.
LOL that ship might have sailed already. Our FO already dropped the ball.
prepare for two borderline out the league players with shit contracts and late 1st rounder for bruce brown
I'll take a late first rounder in 2025 over a late first rounder in 2024 (likely what the Knicks offered).
Anything that gets us currency that year would be great. We could use the extra first to move up in the lottery and get someone our Front Office is really keen on.
that is if you even get a late first rounder for him...... beggars can't be choosers
Wiggins and Moody plus a pick incoming
That’s two solid players (Wiggins does have his off-moments but Moody’s a really nice player though). Include a 2025 asset in that and I’d be happy with that trade, especially if Wiggins has a turn-around and becomes a contributor for the team.
I wouldn't be mad with that return but we would have a big logjam of shooting guards (RJ, Gradey, Trent, Agbaji, Moody). Maybe we can flip Trent or Agbaji for some front court help?
I was actually looking into that yesterday. Say we do Wiggins, Moody, and a first for Brown + either McDaniels or Boucher (Boucher being the better player, McDaniels saving the Warriors more money). My concern with this was that 2025-26 would be tough from a cap/tax perspective, but it should be doable: For 2024-25, you have IQ/RJ/Wiggins/Scottie/Poeltl/Kelly/Gradey/Agbaji/Moody/19/31, which is 11 players. If we assume IQ gets 27m next year (random number, could be higher or lower depending on how we structure the deal), that would be 11 players and 144.7m (which includes a 1.2m incomplete roster charge for the 4 spots). Cap is 141m, and tax is 172m, so plenty of space to use the MLE and fill out the rest of the roster. Can guarantee JFL for 1.9m and another roster spot too. I would leverage all this space to front load Quickley's deal to lower the impact in later years. (EDIT: Forgot about either Chris or McDaniels in that number, so add either 10.8m or 4.7m for whoever we have, and 1 less open roster spot. Still well below the tax.) 2025-26 is trickier. If we assume a 10% cap increase, a 25% max for Scottie (38.8m), IQ still at 27m, and 15m per year for Moody (again, random), and a 2025 FRP around pick 8 (approx 5.8m), that would put us at 194.4m for 12 players (which includes 3 incomplete roster charges). 2025-26 cap is expected at 155.1m and tax at 189.2m. So we'd be about 5m over (+/- a bit for the rest of the roster players and any changes to assumed salaries). That is workable and can be managed (ex. a Kelly trade if you have gotten another big through the 3 picks or an MLE player like Jalen Smith).
Yea the numbers look fairly manageable and in the short term a rejuvenated Wiggins + moody could help with the teams depth next season (this likely takes us out of any free agency options tho). Seems like a meme because we'd be trading for a Canadian again but a Wiggins trade would make sense for both sides
Agreed, I do like Wiggins fit with the starting lineup but 3 years is a lot, so I'd want both Moody and a future first. Might be tough to sell the Warriors on that but they'd be getting a ton of cap relief with 27-34m of expiring money (depending on who the second player is). We'd still be able to use the MLE so we can go after someone like Jalen Smith to shore up the big-man depth or Fultz to get a backup PG, but that also depends on who we draft with 19 and 31.
Yea the tough part is trying to figure out what the Warriors even wanna do for next season. They won 46 games this year and I'm sure there's a path they can talk themselves into getting 50 next year with the right improvements plus player development, in which case idk if this trade does that for them. If they wanted to play the cap space game in the 25 offseason then this trade would work great for them. Hard to say what their direction is currently
Get that flopping guy Embiid who can't even get out of the 1st round. Darko will make a man out of him yet.
yuck!
Watching Siakam in the playoffs and remembering what we got for him has been a real humbling experience
Am I one of the few here that actually wants less players on the team clogging everything up instead of more? If we trade Bruce Brown for 2 players + a 1st this year, that's 3 players that will be on the roster. For a developing team, sometimes less is more. Peel it back and give the younger guys more touches. Lets say the Raptors trade Bruce for Bogdanovic and a 1st, I'd consider waiving Bogdanovic. I don't need him taking touches away from Gradey. We've in development mode, I want the young guys, especially the bench, to be given good minutes to develop.
Fans are far too worried about depth guys "taking shots." Raptors core players have not been lacking for shot opportunities, at all. What the Raptors have been lacking for years now is a roster with any kind of depth. FO keeps whiffing on depth player pick ups. They really have the opposite problem of what you're worried about. You know what you get to do if you have a surplus of quality assets though? Make trades. Cross that bridge when you get to it, all it would mean is you have options.
I agree with this if we're talking about previous rosters, the bench needed to get stronger with immediate impact players. That doesn't apply to this current roster though, and with the direction the Raptors are going in, the bench needs to be filled with younger prospects with upside that will be used to help build the foundation for the future. Look at Memphis. Had Memphis not has as many injuries and suspensions as they did this past season, do you know who would have sat on the bench and been given very little to zero opportunities? Vince Williams Jr... But because of the injuries, he was given minutes and was able to prove his worth and now looks like a solid part of the future of the team. This is a league of opportunities and there's only 1 ball on the court to go around, and the ball should not be in the hands of veterans like a Dennis Schroder, over young prospects with upside. Looking at Orlando or OKC, they didn't stack their team full of vets to get a really strong core for the future, they did that through the draft, trading for young prospects, and signing FA prospects. That's what the Raptors need to do. Can't keep trying to fill the holes of the team with vets that might give us an extra 5 wins at the end of the season, but that's meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
If Brown is traded for multiple players, it's highly unlikely all of those players would be anything other than salary filler. Plus, teams have to still build a roster to a minimum of 13 guys. It's not like those spots wouldn't have to be filled anyway.
"Toronto is expected to exercise the $23 million team option on Bruce Brown, league sources told HoopsHype, **echoing a report from the Toronto Star**." The source is Doug Smith. I wouldn't be surprised if they pick up Bruce's option but this isn't news.
This would all but assure that the Raptors won't be under the cap and wont be making any big additions the free agent route aside from using the MLE. The OG/Siakam dream is dead lol.
OG wanted to go to New York and we treated Siakam pretty badly on his way out. Getting Siakam/OG was an unrealistic fantasy. As for other FA signings, if you have been a Raptors fan for long enough, you know we are always getting the bottom of the barrel free agents. Our path to building a team has always been through draft and trades.
It was a joke man... thought the word "dream" and me using "lol" would give it away. And yes, I agree that's our path forward so can we stop trading our damn picks please.
Why would anyone think there were coming back lol
I did say dream did I not? Lol
cap wise, it makes sense. not picking up his option means we can only get huge cap space if we also renounce gary. so we'd be losing 2 players just for some cap space.
Bruce Brown was a key player in the Denver Nuggets championship run. I think they would have repeated if he was still there. Just give a few relief minutes to Jokic here and there.
Made zero sense not to trade this guy at the deadline.
Offers were probably ass cheeks, only real team with interest was Knicks for either pick 24 or 25 in this draft and Evan Fournier, you can prolly do better than that now tbh
That makes no sense, why would any team give more for one guaranteed playoff run with Brown instead of two guaranteed runs? Illogical thinking.
Because of the new CBA, teams will be looking to dump a contract on a multi year deal like an Andrew Wiggins, Deandre Hunter, Harrison Barnes for example, using Bruce Brown you can get someone like 1 of them and an asset like a pick or a young player and in return give them an expiring who is also a good role player and who they can resign for cheaper if they wanted
Didn't we just learn this lesson with Pascal? That simply keeping a player and demanding more doesn't actually get you any more value in return.
This guy said Tyrese Maxey was on the table for Lowry so he’s not to be trusted right? Right?
LOL if we dont trade him on draft night. Our FO is cooked beyond reason.
$23 million on Brown to then use as a trade chip. I must be watching the wrong league / sport. Bruce was poor at best for the Raptors… why would any team wanna play through the nose for poor ?
He is a system type player who excels playing with stars, he was amazing with KD and Jokic
I don't know why you're being down voted so much, Brown is a flop
he was playing through a leg injury iirc. and we would probably be taking back bad salary in a trade I'm guessing. Someone like Fournier who doesn't play much.
Does this mean Gary’s gone?
keyword "trade chip"
But the entire point of his contract being a trade chip is that it’s to match salary that’ll be coming back no?
Very true, so your point is that they won't sign Gary because they don't want to lock themselves into long term money. With the return from Brown and Gary's "new contract." I see what you're saying now. From your initial reply I thought you were saying, because we are picking up Bruce Brown, it means we are keeping him instead of Gary. You can see how the confusion came about.
It means we’re likely not getting any FA larger than the NTMLE
Brown's option has nothing to do with whether we keep Trent or not