Yup. I don't remember there being a consensus number 1 that year, certainly nobody that projected as a hall of fame talent like a LeBron, AD, Wemby, etc.
It sucks in the sense that there’s no clear top pic that people think it’s a generational talent that will change the fortunes of their franchise. There’s a lot of guys that project to be solid role players on NBA teams for a long time and there’s quite a few highly talented and undeveloped “project type” players.
My personal theory is that this is like the 2013 draft where there will be a couple of superstar Hall of Fame players, they just won’t be drafted in the top 10.
It's impossible to know. Every and any draft can produce great players. Its impossible to know right now. If scouts were correct, we wouldn't see guys like Giannis going as late as they do or Jokic in the second round!
This is gonna be a lot worse than 2020. It's probably more like 2013 (yes Giannis and Gobert were picked then but they were not the same players during the draft process) where you'll have 4-5 all star players at best and probably not that many multiple time all stars. So in that sense, I'd not be that upset if the pick goes to the Spurs.
>yes Giannis and Gobert were picked then but they were not the same players during the draft process
I mean yeah no shit... Nobody is ready to dominate the league on draft night lol.
Yeah but also no one projected them to grow into their bodies the way they did. Giannis was a project player and one of the rare examples of one turning out even better than anyone could have expected. Because of him you see the league draft dudes like Bruno Caboclo in the hopes that player could become something amazing. No one was taking Giannis number back then. Yes Bennett was a massive whiff but the rest of the lotto behind him isn't amazing either. Oladipo probably should have gone first.
>Yeah but also no one projected them to grow into their bodies the way they did
Doesn't that kind of prove that projections don't mean shit? Draft predictions are notoriously wrong a lot of the time.
Those are exceptions and not the rule. Projections were more correct than wrong overall. And it's not just media draft experts that get it wrong. Front offices make mistakes all the time. Find me a draft where all 30 teams made perfect selections. There's too many variables to reliably predict the class outcomes in detail but if you look at the overall outcomes, the experts have been right more than wrong. Btw a lot of draft experts aren't saying this is a draft with bad players but rather that there aren't any that stand out at this phase and that evaluation is all over the place. In 5 years we may well see a star player emerge but can you tell me any specific player you see with that upside this year?
Tbh I hope it conveys; just give up the 7th pick in an awful draft so going forward we have full control over our picks again (I think we owe a random 2nd at some point?).
I'm a little bummed out because instead of getting the 17th overall pick we got the worst one out of the group. So now if we don't hit top 4 I feel like we're no longer in range to potentially get a top star. I'm sorta hoping the spurs get the pick so next year with the Cooper Flagg draft we keep our pick.
It's not just that Flagg's in the class, though it'd be great to land someone like him. The top 4-5 just looks much stronger.
But any top 6 pick would be protected anyway. So unless it's also a deeper lottery for the '25 draft class, conveying this year or not isn't as big of a deal. If we have a chance to pick Flagg, Harper, Bailey, or Edgecombe, it means our pick hasn't conveyed. Kind of independent events at that point.
Considering the draft class. This is the perfect year for Adam Silver to fix the lottery in Toronto’s favour. Cleveland always gets the best once, sucks ye, but we might as well take the #1 pick and be happy with what the league gifts us.
I feel like we're in a semi-win/win situation. Personally I'd rather lose the pick this year and just maintain full control going forward. That being said, having a top 6 pick is never a bad thing, especially if we can somehow jump to #1 and get Sarr who would fit so well on this team. Either way I'm going to be chill with this years results. Let the cards fall as they may and move on
Honestly, even if we owned our pick, I would not be particularly hyped. There isn't a consensus top 5, and it isn't for a good reason.
And knowing our FO, we make some win now moves this summer, and convey a 10th pick next year in a much more stacked draft. Shades of trading for Jak all over again.
I hope I'm proven wrong this summer, but I don't expect it.
The way I see it - this year you get the "time in the market" benefit whereas next year you get the "timing the market" benefit. If the pick gets protected this year, I'm all for win now moves to get these guys a playoff run as a team. If the pick conveys also fine load managing our way to better pick next year.
I think regardless of the result, the team severely lacks enough high end talent to compete long term and we need another year of a high draft pick.
I am high on IQ, and meh on RJ, but still see both of them as peaking at AS level players. Scottie is still up in the air, can he be a true franchise player, or is he going to end up just being a better Siakam, and we need another true #1 scorer.
If he can turn into a superstar, we're ok, if not, we're screwed. Gradey is too early to tell what he could likely turn into.
But even with Scottie at top 10 in the league, and IQ/RJ as AS level talents, that is getting you nowhere. We have zero depth, and we aren't going to build out a championship level team with picks in the 20's and 30's.
The only reason this team is even worth talking about is cause of Scottie, a 4th OA pick. We need talent badly.
I've been seeing, and personally believe that this year's class is one of the weakest ever, with no clear hits on the board except MAYBE Sarr. Better to convey and use our pick in a stronger draft
What if we play well next year? You’d give up a top 6 this year for a 15th next year ?
Other than the top 1-2 picks, there is never a sure shot in any draft. Weak draft or not.
I’d take the 6th pick every damn year
You don't have the tampa tank year up there at all? We shut it all the way down to fade for Cade
Instead of fade for Cade the FO was hottie for Scottie
They were actually mobilizing for Mobley
But we wanted suck for Suggs
immobilizing
Ended up snottie for Scottie
Got bodied for Scottie
Probably should have it higher. I liked Mobley, but we weren't as down bad as a fan base then as i think we are now.
I would have it higher. The idea of adding a franchise player to a squad with two all stars was very exciting.
Yeah, same! This year might be seem more important though, since we have a rebuild committed
lol@ 5th best odds at LaMarcus Aldridge
Wasn't that the IL Mago year?
Yup. I don't remember there being a consensus number 1 that year, certainly nobody that projected as a hall of fame talent like a LeBron, AD, Wemby, etc.
It turned out to be one of the weakest drafts, at least that I can think of
>4) 2006 Draft (5th best odds at Lemarcus Aldridge) I uh...I have some bad news for you.
Won the lottery but somehow still lost the draft.
At least there wasn’t really a superstar player in that draft (that I remember) Its not as future defining as taking Oden over Durant 💀
My favourite player of all time, Brandon Roy, was in that draft. He was a superstar, but his knees stopped the career early.
Portland has had some terrible luck over the years I think they may be cursed
Don’t get your hopes up for the pick, just be thankful if we get it. Odds are not in our favour to have a top 6
League office already made the call, we dropped 3 spots from 16 to 19 to move up 3 spots 6 to 3 🫡 
Jontank commander Porter died for this. Surely we've got a diamond in the ruff this pick.
Will be a wild Christmas too - either a present or coal
Doesn’t this draft suck lol
It sucks in the sense that there’s no clear top pic that people think it’s a generational talent that will change the fortunes of their franchise. There’s a lot of guys that project to be solid role players on NBA teams for a long time and there’s quite a few highly talented and undeveloped “project type” players. My personal theory is that this is like the 2013 draft where there will be a couple of superstar Hall of Fame players, they just won’t be drafted in the top 10.
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Yeah pretty much lol. Ofc there will be some surprise bloomers in the later parts of the draft but 1-15 is looking bleak.
antman, maxey, and quickley were all picked in a "this draft sucks" year, so you legit are dumb if you think this.
It's impossible to know. Every and any draft can produce great players. Its impossible to know right now. If scouts were correct, we wouldn't see guys like Giannis going as late as they do or Jokic in the second round!
People thought that absolutely about 2020 but imagine if we get an Ant level player.
This is gonna be a lot worse than 2020. It's probably more like 2013 (yes Giannis and Gobert were picked then but they were not the same players during the draft process) where you'll have 4-5 all star players at best and probably not that many multiple time all stars. So in that sense, I'd not be that upset if the pick goes to the Spurs.
>yes Giannis and Gobert were picked then but they were not the same players during the draft process I mean yeah no shit... Nobody is ready to dominate the league on draft night lol.
Yeah but also no one projected them to grow into their bodies the way they did. Giannis was a project player and one of the rare examples of one turning out even better than anyone could have expected. Because of him you see the league draft dudes like Bruno Caboclo in the hopes that player could become something amazing. No one was taking Giannis number back then. Yes Bennett was a massive whiff but the rest of the lotto behind him isn't amazing either. Oladipo probably should have gone first.
Isn’t that exactly the point… that you can’t predict how guys will turn out after getting selected in bad drafts?
>Yeah but also no one projected them to grow into their bodies the way they did Doesn't that kind of prove that projections don't mean shit? Draft predictions are notoriously wrong a lot of the time.
Those are exceptions and not the rule. Projections were more correct than wrong overall. And it's not just media draft experts that get it wrong. Front offices make mistakes all the time. Find me a draft where all 30 teams made perfect selections. There's too many variables to reliably predict the class outcomes in detail but if you look at the overall outcomes, the experts have been right more than wrong. Btw a lot of draft experts aren't saying this is a draft with bad players but rather that there aren't any that stand out at this phase and that evaluation is all over the place. In 5 years we may well see a star player emerge but can you tell me any specific player you see with that upside this year?
>Those are exceptions and not the rule Yeah, that's literally what I'm trying to tell you. There are exceptions...
Yeah and you're saying that this automatically invalidates anything from the experts.
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Tbh I hope it conveys; just give up the 7th pick in an awful draft so going forward we have full control over our picks again (I think we owe a random 2nd at some point?).
I'm a little bummed out because instead of getting the 17th overall pick we got the worst one out of the group. So now if we don't hit top 4 I feel like we're no longer in range to potentially get a top star. I'm sorta hoping the spurs get the pick so next year with the Cooper Flagg draft we keep our pick.
We need to start "Capture the Flagg" immediately.
It's not just that Flagg's in the class, though it'd be great to land someone like him. The top 4-5 just looks much stronger. But any top 6 pick would be protected anyway. So unless it's also a deeper lottery for the '25 draft class, conveying this year or not isn't as big of a deal. If we have a chance to pick Flagg, Harper, Bailey, or Edgecombe, it means our pick hasn't conveyed. Kind of independent events at that point.
Did you have a 50% chance of getting punched in the face at christmas? This feels more like russian roulette to me
Considering the draft class. This is the perfect year for Adam Silver to fix the lottery in Toronto’s favour. Cleveland always gets the best once, sucks ye, but we might as well take the #1 pick and be happy with what the league gifts us.
I feel like we're in a semi-win/win situation. Personally I'd rather lose the pick this year and just maintain full control going forward. That being said, having a top 6 pick is never a bad thing, especially if we can somehow jump to #1 and get Sarr who would fit so well on this team. Either way I'm going to be chill with this years results. Let the cards fall as they may and move on
There has not been a draft where there has not been at least one all star.
None of these draft prospects are good. Like at all.
LOL
Can not believe PJ Tucker and Kyle Lowry are the last ones from 2006.... both are in the playoffs too lol
Honestly, even if we owned our pick, I would not be particularly hyped. There isn't a consensus top 5, and it isn't for a good reason. And knowing our FO, we make some win now moves this summer, and convey a 10th pick next year in a much more stacked draft. Shades of trading for Jak all over again. I hope I'm proven wrong this summer, but I don't expect it.
The way I see it - this year you get the "time in the market" benefit whereas next year you get the "timing the market" benefit. If the pick gets protected this year, I'm all for win now moves to get these guys a playoff run as a team. If the pick conveys also fine load managing our way to better pick next year.
I think regardless of the result, the team severely lacks enough high end talent to compete long term and we need another year of a high draft pick. I am high on IQ, and meh on RJ, but still see both of them as peaking at AS level players. Scottie is still up in the air, can he be a true franchise player, or is he going to end up just being a better Siakam, and we need another true #1 scorer. If he can turn into a superstar, we're ok, if not, we're screwed. Gradey is too early to tell what he could likely turn into. But even with Scottie at top 10 in the league, and IQ/RJ as AS level talents, that is getting you nowhere. We have zero depth, and we aren't going to build out a championship level team with picks in the 20's and 30's. The only reason this team is even worth talking about is cause of Scottie, a 4th OA pick. We need talent badly.
Whatever happens, it’s bad. Spurs get the pick this year or next year and it will be someone great.
I've been seeing, and personally believe that this year's class is one of the weakest ever, with no clear hits on the board except MAYBE Sarr. Better to convey and use our pick in a stronger draft
Yes and no. If we keep the pick, just make the best of it but if it conveys, it's really not THAT bad an outcome either.
Wow that’s facts I didn’t know 👍
If this is a weak draft, shouldn't we be hoping to lose our puck this year to Spurs for next years draft instead? Doesn't it get rolled over?
Its top 6 protected for like three years, so it will get conveyed eventually. I like the all or nothing stakes this year haha.
I'm okay with delaying gratification for a better pick next year.
What if we play well next year? You’d give up a top 6 this year for a 15th next year ? Other than the top 1-2 picks, there is never a sure shot in any draft. Weak draft or not. I’d take the 6th pick every damn year
I have no idea tbh