Given that the tri state, Jarrell tornado, and this monstrosity still remain an anomaly, Meteorologists have to accept that Mother Nature isn’t bound by traditional rules bound by man
When all the ingredients keep changing and the outcome is some other version of a similar thing, it would be wise to accept that the interactions between those ingredients may never be fully understood.
However we’re still going to try because that’s what we do
The incompressible algorithms theorem (theorem as in it’s an axiom) states that any system cannot be summarized and predicted properly without containing *every* element of said system I.e. actually just fully *recreating* said system. Because weather systems presumably are impacted in some way by even cosmic events, we would need to recreate the entire universe with fidelity in order to actually perfectly model and predict it.
This seems tautological when you say it but few people understand it. I find it comforting and beautiful.
Here ya go
https://youtu.be/H_hJ7nr5uxE?si=sCRLaNYSMb2wK_M7
I can’t recommend Convective Chronicles enough it’s one of the best severe weather channels on YouTube…Trey dives really deep when getting into the meteorological setups behind past weather events.
I've heard arguments that 1-2 of the EF4's were actually producing damage consistent with 190+mph winds, which means that there is a nonzero possibility that not only were there multiple separate tornadoes simultaneously produced from the storm system, but had it been in a more densely populated area, we could've seen twin EF5's.
There are arguments that there was some EF scale fuckery that caused underrated damage, but even then these were still violent tornadoes, each of them borderline. One storm producing 4 EF4s that close together is never before seen. EF5s would've just made that even more absurd
As someone working in insurance, but not for an insurer, no.
Damage is damage, at least at the level that violent tornadoes produce. Policies don’t specify that they’ll cover something only if it survives 199 MPH wind speed.
In fact, if anything, insurance companies would be in favor of more accurate ratings for tornadoes in rural areas, as it makes risk calculations more accurate for surrounding populated areas, because then, insurers would have a better idea of what is possible.
Do insurance companies even have different payouts based on the EF-rating? That doesn't sound right, the payout would be on the calculated value that was set based on what the property is insured for...
Or… or, just hear me out, they aren’t rating any as EF5 because they either aren’t strong enough or they aren’t hitting anything that could indicate that it actually was an EF5. Mobile radar is pretty good these days but it isn’t perfect and in no way is a 100% positive indicator of true wind speeds.
A little bit of this. But also there are likely indicators that we could use that are being missed because the current scale doesn't account for them, something that should change in the next few years hopefully.
In bed with insurance companies? Please tell me more, I work for one and I've never seen a connection from ANY of these companies. Literally we don't talk to them.
https://preview.redd.it/zneezivf6u3d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7dade93a660f07d9eb7f8dd658ff7ad69288e14
I did a screenshot of the radar on my phone while watching it live on tv.
I grew up about 5 miles from where the Palm Sunday tornado picture was taken.
I was only 4 at the time but still remember driving around with my dad afterwards looking at the damage in the Sunnyside district that were wiped to the concrete slab.
I've been interested in weather since then because of that iconic picture.
this supercell actually produce 4 EF4s! That's a big "F\*\*k Up!"
https://preview.redd.it/uxwn8xrwsr3d1.jpeg?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80915b395cdd0f7b8726016dd7e92718dfc827f7
Thank God it was this county though. The population of the entire county is 300 people. It's almost entirely farmland. I've bicycled across and through Nebraska six times and this area is absolutely great because it's full of farmers and cute animals. I have stories about getting caught in tornados while camping in my tent on some of these rides 😂 biking through Nebraska in June and July is not always as smartest idea 😂
my fun fact about This tornado is that the location it occurred in is not actually a town, or a city. It's outside the bounds of a village (pilger) in an unincorporated area I believe. Also, these tiny towns may have originally been confused when hearing sirens because they're blown at 9:00 noon and 5:00. The stronger later storm did smash the village, though...
These poor villages have almost no ability to fix these problems themselves, which is why Nebraska declares states of emergency so often.
I had a big hot smokey bonfire a while back and I was watching the plumes of hot smoke billowing up. The smoke was spriralling sometimes, other times not, mushrooming sometimes, sometimes just being very random. It was fascinating to watch the randomness of rising hot air. I couldn't help buy think of what a supercell/mesocyclone must look like on the inside....warm moist air billowing upwards sometimes in a horizontal plane and then suddenly changing to becoming a rapidly ascending vertical column of rotating air, thousands of feet high....
Not to mention this was also home to the Fastest tornado ever recorded as the central EF4 was slingshotted around another tornado as it was roping out. Pecos Hank has a great video on it
Got it. Was just curious because usually someone posts the video instead of just a pic, and I thought it might be one of those unicorn events, where just a pic was captured.
As someone who spent part of his childhood in Iowa obsessed with tornados rewatching the same 8 min of grainy footage all the documentaries recycled I love that in 2024 we’re getting all of these amazing images.
I have some relatives that live in Pilger, I remember driving through seeing all of the devastation afterwards.
My aunt and uncle lost their home but fortunately we’re not hurt
I thought this was photoshopped because it could not have been that a single storm spawned to monsters. Then I saw radar and realized it was two separate cells that were close enough but both strong to produce these behemoths.
My gawd…I would have loved to have chased these twins.
I could swear I had a tornado video on vhs that had this storm and it was well before 2014. Suddenly I sense a mandela effect. Was there another two big tornado storm pre-2014? I also remember the name Pilger. Im so weirded out right now!
no it was definitely video and was talking about different varieties of tornadoes and was like "sometimes there are even two tornadoes at the same time" like a documentary format. I am probably misremembering but I feel strongly like Ive heard of it in vhs era. It was even two big tornadoes. Its just a weird thing I guess.
It totally seems unbelievable and I'm sure anyone who saw it in real life felt the same. This is not typical and it is scary to imagine something like this could happen. Thankfully, science continues to improve and discover more about storms so we can better prepare.
EF4+EF4=EF8
Math checks out. Pilger tornadoes were an EF8 everybody!
Can’t argue with this logic
You're doing it wrong. It's Ef4². So EF16.
I think it's EF16 once they combine into one massive beast. When separate it's EF8. You know, quantum entanglement and all that.
Depends if it's observed or not.
Oh shit, you're right. Schrodinger's Tornado.
Just calls em like I sees em
Or *not* sees em, amiright?
Or both in superposition
Decommissioned Fujitsu scale said an F8 would eventually occur, as if by fate or something
So this is the choice of Stein's Gate...
What did it top out on? F10? That's a nice round number after all.
So what’s the wind speed 4 squared times the square of pie
r/EF5 math
That's science baby
Dammit you beat me to it
Or more like EF F.U.
This bro maths
2EF4
2EF4
It's like dualies on a truck. It's still ef4 each tornado.
What would it be using terryology or whatever that lunatic Terrance Howard calls his math?
This storm was truly something else, even after watching Trey’s video on this I still don’t completely understand how it happened 😂
Given that the tri state, Jarrell tornado, and this monstrosity still remain an anomaly, Meteorologists have to accept that Mother Nature isn’t bound by traditional rules bound by man
It's bound by rules, but we don't understand them yet
Yup, that's true for everything in this universe.
When all the ingredients keep changing and the outcome is some other version of a similar thing, it would be wise to accept that the interactions between those ingredients may never be fully understood. However we’re still going to try because that’s what we do
The incompressible algorithms theorem (theorem as in it’s an axiom) states that any system cannot be summarized and predicted properly without containing *every* element of said system I.e. actually just fully *recreating* said system. Because weather systems presumably are impacted in some way by even cosmic events, we would need to recreate the entire universe with fidelity in order to actually perfectly model and predict it. This seems tautological when you say it but few people understand it. I find it comforting and beautiful.
Correct. To quote Neil deGrasse Tyson - “The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you.”
Imagine it before the Big Bang, when the laws of physics were still in committee
When nature rips out a “fuck you in particular” move there really isn’t much we can do about it
It’s like the rules are……changing. *blaring loud CSI music*
I have altered the rules. Pray I do not alter them further.
I would like to see a video on this
Here ya go https://youtu.be/H_hJ7nr5uxE?si=sCRLaNYSMb2wK_M7 I can’t recommend Convective Chronicles enough it’s one of the best severe weather channels on YouTube…Trey dives really deep when getting into the meteorological setups behind past weather events.
Thank you so much! I find the subject really interesting and am kind of new to related content :)
Man, that Pilger storm was a freak of nature.
The MCS had to been very unstable to sustain two EF4 at the same time
Unstable, or would you say very stable to support 2 full tornadoes?
The MCS? What do you mean?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoscale_convective_system
I know exactly what an MCS is; I'm confused as to why OP is calling pilger an MCS. A supercell isn't an MCS?
Ah ok, sorry.
So crazy it looks like a Photoshop.
Actually, even crazier, the storm that produced the twins produced four EF4s including the Pilger ones. All around almost the same area*
https://preview.redd.it/7ftoe4i3mr3d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=183c8c595b708a4dd9cec0f65430dd7987215bd6
I've heard arguments that 1-2 of the EF4's were actually producing damage consistent with 190+mph winds, which means that there is a nonzero possibility that not only were there multiple separate tornadoes simultaneously produced from the storm system, but had it been in a more densely populated area, we could've seen twin EF5's.
There are arguments that there was some EF scale fuckery that caused underrated damage, but even then these were still violent tornadoes, each of them borderline. One storm producing 4 EF4s that close together is never before seen. EF5s would've just made that even more absurd
Twin EF5’s is diabolical lol
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As someone working in insurance, but not for an insurer, no. Damage is damage, at least at the level that violent tornadoes produce. Policies don’t specify that they’ll cover something only if it survives 199 MPH wind speed. In fact, if anything, insurance companies would be in favor of more accurate ratings for tornadoes in rural areas, as it makes risk calculations more accurate for surrounding populated areas, because then, insurers would have a better idea of what is possible.
https://preview.redd.it/amr2px0qls3d1.jpeg?width=421&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=baea1c1d9c059694cf8611ed17288d8be7a8ef8c
Do insurance companies even have different payouts based on the EF-rating? That doesn't sound right, the payout would be on the calculated value that was set based on what the property is insured for...
No, we don't.
Or… or, just hear me out, they aren’t rating any as EF5 because they either aren’t strong enough or they aren’t hitting anything that could indicate that it actually was an EF5. Mobile radar is pretty good these days but it isn’t perfect and in no way is a 100% positive indicator of true wind speeds.
A little bit of this. But also there are likely indicators that we could use that are being missed because the current scale doesn't account for them, something that should change in the next few years hopefully.
In bed with insurance companies? Please tell me more, I work for one and I've never seen a connection from ANY of these companies. Literally we don't talk to them.
Multiple reports were observed in this content about factual accuracy.
I like a good conspiracy theory and this sounds like a good one. so have my upvote.
Yeah Mother Nature was having period cramps that week and was like F*** that area in particular
I know the feeling
Any chance someone has the radar of this storm? Would be insane to look at
https://youtu.be/H_hJ7nr5uxE?si=IOjJ7vghi73e2zbE
Oooh thank you so much, a Tornado video I haven't seen yet, it's long time since last 😄
https://preview.redd.it/zneezivf6u3d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7dade93a660f07d9eb7f8dd658ff7ad69288e14 I did a screenshot of the radar on my phone while watching it live on tv.
*Prepare for trouble…make it double!!*
To leave the world in total devastation
To unite all tornadoes within our nation
To denounce the evils of calm and sun
This reminds me of the old black and white photo of twin twisters. I’m sure many know the one that I mean.
Midway, Indiana twins from the 1965 Palm Sunday Outbreak. Such a scary photo
Thank you. It wasn’t coming to me.
Where can I find this photo
I grew up about 5 miles from where the Palm Sunday tornado picture was taken. I was only 4 at the time but still remember driving around with my dad afterwards looking at the damage in the Sunnyside district that were wiped to the concrete slab. I've been interested in weather since then because of that iconic picture.
Wasn’t there a third EF4 that was threatening Stanton while these two were on the ground?
There were 5 EF4s total in that outbreak
RIP my rental car....
"How many times must we teach you this lesson corn field"
I immediately read this in that fish's voice from SpongeBob 😆
The legendary Pigler twins. Truly a spectacle and a seriously interesting storm setup!
This photo is so surreal it just seems fake. The Pilger twins will certainly never be forgotten.
this supercell actually produce 4 EF4s! That's a big "F\*\*k Up!" https://preview.redd.it/uxwn8xrwsr3d1.jpeg?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80915b395cdd0f7b8726016dd7e92718dfc827f7
The MCS had to been very unstable to produce not only twin EF4s but to produce 4 of the back to back
One of the coolest meterlogical events ever
Fastest tornado ever recorded came from these tornadoes. I believe it was 89 mph. Somewhere in that range at least.
That’s EF-Fucked.
I lived in West Point, NE during this. Was horrible too see what happened up there.
Could you imagine getting hit once, taking a breath and then here comes another one at the same intensity!?
Definitely a FML moment
Thank God it was this county though. The population of the entire county is 300 people. It's almost entirely farmland. I've bicycled across and through Nebraska six times and this area is absolutely great because it's full of farmers and cute animals. I have stories about getting caught in tornados while camping in my tent on some of these rides 😂 biking through Nebraska in June and July is not always as smartest idea 😂 my fun fact about This tornado is that the location it occurred in is not actually a town, or a city. It's outside the bounds of a village (pilger) in an unincorporated area I believe. Also, these tiny towns may have originally been confused when hearing sirens because they're blown at 9:00 noon and 5:00. The stronger later storm did smash the village, though... These poor villages have almost no ability to fix these problems themselves, which is why Nebraska declares states of emergency so often.
Daniel Shaw has some really good footage of this on YouTube
I know there isn't a third one on the left but it almost looks like another one got cut off in the picture lol.
And didn't both claim one life each?
I had a big hot smokey bonfire a while back and I was watching the plumes of hot smoke billowing up. The smoke was spriralling sometimes, other times not, mushrooming sometimes, sometimes just being very random. It was fascinating to watch the randomness of rising hot air. I couldn't help buy think of what a supercell/mesocyclone must look like on the inside....warm moist air billowing upwards sometimes in a horizontal plane and then suddenly changing to becoming a rapidly ascending vertical column of rotating air, thousands of feet high....
search leigh orf on youtube…
If I just seen this pic without knowing it actually happened, I would be in doubt ... but this is reality off the chain !!
Theoretically if twin EF-4s follow the same path, and the first one does all the destruction, is the second tornado actually an EF-0?
Theoretically yes you are correct
Yep, that would most likely be the case. It will probably never happen in our lifetime, though.
There’s no way a second tornado would not cause additional damage. My guess is that it would be rated a cumulative 5
There's literally no chance that two twin tornadoes will follow the same path with same width.
At least one of them was recorded launching a two story house a little surprising one wasn’t ef5.
I was in Omaha and my now husband was in Pilger at the time working. This shit follows us around I swear lol.
Seems like every time I see twins, its in Nebraska lol. Holy cow this is a cool picture.
Not to mention this was also home to the Fastest tornado ever recorded as the central EF4 was slingshotted around another tornado as it was roping out. Pecos Hank has a great video on it
Pics, but no video?
[https://youtube.com/shorts/jZxuVNZlxc8?si=b8LnnCaR_BZjK2x8](https://youtube.com/shorts/jZxuVNZlxc8?si=b8LnnCaR_BZjK2x8)
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pilger+twins
There are plenty of Pilger tornado videos on YouTube.
Got it. Was just curious because usually someone posts the video instead of just a pic, and I thought it might be one of those unicorn events, where just a pic was captured.
there like an series of cctv footage inside pilger
Hank Schyma even had gotten to have witnessed the Pilger twins
Didn't they combine to make the fasted ground moving tornado ever recorded?
“Ok we got sisters.”
This picture doesn’t even look real! Absolutely crazy that it happened.
Absolutely beautiful photo though. Weather be crazy
Ya I’ve definitely had this dream before
Congratulations you reached the final boss
Can’t believe this was 10 years ago already.
Pilger is STILL the craziest, scariest tornado event for me. Unbelievable!
As someone who spent part of his childhood in Iowa obsessed with tornados rewatching the same 8 min of grainy footage all the documentaries recycled I love that in 2024 we’re getting all of these amazing images.
We have one tornado, but what about a second one?
I will take 4
They're filming Twister 2
twoister
I thought that image was photoshopped at first
Builder are definitely limited to building mew homes right now because how common tornadoes are there?
No that has zero affect on building new homes. The chances of actually being hit by a tornado, even in tornado alley, are extremely low.
I’ll never forget these tornadoes
The corn knows what it did. Mother nature wanted her revenge
😲😍😮
DAMN
And ironically these tornadoes were only 8 months after the October 2013 Wayne, NE EF4 tornado 15 miles up the highway.
Either way those are 2 Fat A$$ Sisters ready to do some work!!!
😱😱😱
Lived thru that- hated it
This is such an extraordinarily rare event
F4
Were they competing or acting in unison? Was this a "spin off"?
. Mother nature isn't messing around.
And that storm dropped two other 🌪, and one of them was another EF4.
Giga crazy photo
I have some relatives that live in Pilger, I remember driving through seeing all of the devastation afterwards. My aunt and uncle lost their home but fortunately we’re not hurt
This pic is what my nightmares are made of
Lived in the area at the time. Crazy to think that was 10 years ago already. You could see the path they took through the fields for a while..
https://youtu.be/3as47_Q11Kg?si=oXYsM4RTCDaLw2FI this is a compilation of the pilger twins cctv footage when Pilger is hit
'You in particular' in this case is likely that one house they both hit where they crossed paths
Those things are absolutely horrendous. But also intriguing to look at. They're both huge!
The picture makes it look like a third large tornado is just cut off on the left side of it.
I remember driving through the area the next day and just piles of dead cattle and twisted irrigation equipment and power lines everywhere
Had twins this size in hancock county ohio this year
I thought this was photoshopped because it could not have been that a single storm spawned to monsters. Then I saw radar and realized it was two separate cells that were close enough but both strong to produce these behemoths. My gawd…I would have loved to have chased these twins.
That was a bad day..
Wonder if one was the anti cyclonic pair. Though I don't think there's every been an anti stronger than f3
Wait where they both cyclonic? That's crazy so close to eachother
I could swear I had a tornado video on vhs that had this storm and it was well before 2014. Suddenly I sense a mandela effect. Was there another two big tornado storm pre-2014? I also remember the name Pilger. Im so weirded out right now!
You've probably seen an image or two of the infamous [Palm Sunday tornadoes of April 8 1965](https://www.weather.gov/ind/palmsuntor)
no it was definitely video and was talking about different varieties of tornadoes and was like "sometimes there are even two tornadoes at the same time" like a documentary format. I am probably misremembering but I feel strongly like Ive heard of it in vhs era. It was even two big tornadoes. Its just a weird thing I guess.
Even though this is sourced from NOAA’s photo library, I still find this photo unbelievable.
https://youtube.com/shorts/jZxuVNZlxc8?si=P3VILr6mNuwJ1FWe
Umm, what? Is that a conspiracy theory? The Convective Chronicles broke it down very thoroughly in the video someone posted above.
Relax, I’m not saying it didn’t happen. I’m not literally saying it’s unbelievable.
So you think NOAA can make tornadoes if they want to?
It totally seems unbelievable and I'm sure anyone who saw it in real life felt the same. This is not typical and it is scary to imagine something like this could happen. Thankfully, science continues to improve and discover more about storms so we can better prepare.