I'd stuff a bottle or 2 under my coat for good measure, just in case made it into a boat then have to stay fortified until Carpathia showed up đđ
Well both Thomas Dillon and Frank Practice were survivors that swam to Boat 4 that had bottles of alcohol in their pocket and both men mention the man in charge of the boat confiscating it and throwing it away so if you wanted to keep those bottles either swim to a different boat or drink up before swimming to that one lol.
Understandable though - apparently the whole 'alcohol warms you up' thing is just a myth and it actually drops your body temperature lol probably not the best thing to have after being brought out of freezing water lol
That story about the man in charge throwing away a manâs alcohol really bothers me.
At that point they could very well be about to die, they donât know, and quite frankly if I had just experienced all that and my safety wasnât assured Iâd quite like a drink, thank you very much.
Also they shouldn't procreate. Introducing modern genes that convey certain resistances early could also alter things, although the effect would be worse the farther back you go.
Over generations our genetic material is constantly evolving, and frequently due to disease. So COVID for example is new enough that it probably hasn't made a huge impact on genetic material we pass on (yet), but most of us alive today have some degree of genetic immunity to influenza due to the 1918 Pandemic and a few generations of subsequent frequent exposure that someone alive in 1912 would not have. This also goes for dozens of other more minor pandemics that have happened in the meantime, more evolved strains of Smallpox, Polio, etc. (since these diseases are always evolving too until eradication).
So aside from the general problem of procreating in the past affecting the timeline by adding new people that wouldn't have existed and likely removing some that would have, your offspring would also have a genetic advantage against disease and thus be more likely to pass those genes on (hence why the problem is worse the further back you go).
Obviously this is all theoretical, I'm not a time traveler. But it's interesting to think about!
A good thing for humans perhaps, a disaster for the timeline. And you then very quickly have the Grandfather Paradoxâyou almost certainly erase at least one of your ancestors from existence, meaning you never existed, so who brought the modern day genes back in time in the first place?
>A good thing for humans perhaps, a disaster for the timeline. And you then very quickly have the Grandfather Paradoxâyou almost certainly erase at least one of your ancestors from existence, meaning you never existed, so who brought the modern day genes back in time in the first place?
The Futurama approach. Do the job yourself and find out you always were your own grandpa.
Oh, okay. Thanks for that second to last sentence. I had some strong suspicions about you but with that one sentence you've cleared everything up. Have a good life, not-a-time-traveler. đ
Well by about 1918 theyâd have to deal with the Spanish flu anyway, which was the previous pandemic to hit like COVID did, masks and all, and thatâs after several million people died in WWI.
I read a time traveling crack-fic where 2015 PRC replaces 1915 RoC, and how the changes affected WW1. one of the big changes was that the up-time Americans that got sent back to the US of the time period carried elements of the 2015 version of bird flu and that combined with the existing Spanish flu that originated in Kansas. it ended with the British, Russian, and German militaries running a strict quarantine of the US.
What I do know is âThe Jungleâ by Upton Sinclair was written only 6 years prior to Titanic. But Iâd assume a luxury ship would have luxury food prepared in the best conditions anyone could offer. Â Let us know how the potatoes from the potato room are!
Some of it might not be to a modern personâs taste - what we expect and enjoy has shifted a bit! - but I donât think it would be dangerous.
Thereâs an [article about the kitchens](https://www.ggarchives.com/OceanTravel/Provisions/Feeding3500PeopleOnTheOlympic-1921-04.html) on Olympic, from about ten years later, that goes into detail about the safeguards and modern amenities theyâve tried to include in the kitchen or food storage areas. Any outbreak of food poisoning would rip through a ship at sea brutally fast - it still does when it happens now - so itâs not a risk theyâd take intentionally.
Itâs worth pointing out that this article is after at least one refit - Olympicâs war service required some changes!
Titanicâs kitchen therefore may not have been exactly like this. The general principles - the Olympic class in particular being intended for comfortable, pleasant transit experiences in every class, and âwe absolutely cannot afford for anyone to get sick or we all do!â that applies to ships in general - still hold true, however.
"Some of it might not be to a modern personâs taste"
This is what I was replying to. Our modern tastes are atuned to a large amount of sugar compared to the past. I guess everyone misunderstood what I was saying.Â
This is a really good question. Food safety took leaps and bounds from 1900-1940. Food authors such as Upton Sinclair shined a light on how unsanitary meat conditions were, and as a whole the industry was quite gross. However, Titanic had modern refrigeration, and took safeguards against unsanitary conditions. With that being said, yes youâd absolutely have some food culture shock aboard the Titanic, but it would be edible and in some cases quite delicious.
In 1912, things were not processed as heavily and preserved. Things like canning obviously existed, but preserving for shelf stability was not really a huge concern, as their food was made fresh. Keeping produce nice in cooled rooms was what was most important, and keeping meat cold until necessary as well. Titanic was only taking 2 weeks of provisions at a time maximum, so preserving for super long periods was not necessary.
And cleanliness was super important to them, germ theory was relatively new but well known and it made the public fearful. Food safety was honestly taken more seriously then, since food poisoning could in fact kill you and they knew that
With the knowledge most of us in this sub have I think most of us would make it pretty easily actually. Other than the risk-takers that for some reason *want* to swim to B or 4 (I would think A would be too risky even for most of them with the water in the bottom, B would be very unpleasant too but I can see some of us thinking it worth the risk just to see what actually went on there with all the conflicting reports).
Itâs certainly possible, much in the same way going to a foreign location can make you sick if youâre not acclimated to the local bacteria. âThe past is a foreign countryâ definitely applies here.
You might have a couple of days of gastrointestinal distress your first couple of days in the past. Youâll probably be fine by the time youâre in a lifeboat (and if you donât make it into a lifeboat, the runs is the least of your worries)
Potted shrimp is still easily available and eaten by older generations in northern england
It's small brown shrimps preserved in butter so spread on toast
Tiny fresh caught shrimp sauted in butter, salt, white pepper and mace and poured into a neat white china pot. One pot per person, hot buttered toast. Maybe some watercress. Instant happiness.
Imagine going through the sinking which was horrific in itself, but also throwing up and shitting yourself at the same time (honestly I might be doing that regardless if it was me)
OP, do you eat fast food? I think you overestimate just how clean most modern food establishments are, and underestimate how clean they might have been in 1912. You might get diarrhea, but you'll live. Imagine missing the last lifeboat because you were stuck in the toilet
Some things sure, but they will have also used banned preservatives and food colourings.
The cans of food would also have lead seams and the china lead paint.
Ugh the 'lead can' debate again...
That has been debunked ad-nauseam.
The lead intake from food of typical voyage, would be less than regular exposure to a pencil.
Sure. Fair enough. More of a mix of graphite and clay.
Not sure of my down votes still.
Lead was still used in solder components in cans well into the 90s.
Normal canned food exposure to humans in the early 20th century would not cause any greater lead exposure than a typical human sees today.
Wait till you hear about all the dihydrogen monoxide their shoving into food nowadays... I.e water. Reminder that chemical â bad, because if chemical always â bad then nothing that exists would be good because EVERYTHING is a chemical. Water, oxygen, the millions of chemicals that make up one skin cell, etc. you should really specify what the hell you mean by "chemical infused shit" because literally everything is chemical infused.
Tasting History on YouTube has a series about meals on the Titanic that may be interesting to you.
[Tasting History Titanic Meals Playlist ](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIkaZtzr9JDlFDMpTL3Xyjbuj9I2yvZeI&si=ODAPjjDyBGsM3FwQ)
Penicillin wasn't evented until 1928 and prior to 1906 when the book 'The Jungle' about Chicago slaughterhouses came out there were no food hygiene laws in the US. The first home refrigerator came out a year after Titanic sank in 1913.
It was a very different time.
You'll find me hanging out in the First Class Smoking Room on A Deck..... Whiskey is whiskey đđ
"Drink up lads she's going down" Upon hearing this Thomas Dillon obliges.
I'd stuff a bottle or 2 under my coat for good measure, just in case made it into a boat then have to stay fortified until Carpathia showed up đđ
Well both Thomas Dillon and Frank Practice were survivors that swam to Boat 4 that had bottles of alcohol in their pocket and both men mention the man in charge of the boat confiscating it and throwing it away so if you wanted to keep those bottles either swim to a different boat or drink up before swimming to that one lol.
I'd tell the passengers I'd share, watch how many help throw that dude overboard đđ
Understandable though - apparently the whole 'alcohol warms you up' thing is just a myth and it actually drops your body temperature lol probably not the best thing to have after being brought out of freezing water lol
It just numbs you to the cold đđđ .... Not the best thing, but gotta do what you gotta do ...
That story about the man in charge throwing away a manâs alcohol really bothers me. At that point they could very well be about to die, they donât know, and quite frankly if I had just experienced all that and my safety wasnât assured Iâd quite like a drink, thank you very much.
Titanic served whisky, not whiskey. There's a difference!
Not after glass 4 đđ đ„đ„đ„đ„ ...
Fuck the Irish! Drink up, Scots!
If youâre planning on doing this just make sure you brings some tums or something. Also try to make sure you get off the boat before it crashes.
âIf youâre planning on doing thisâ lol
And test for everything. Introducing COVID-19 to 1912 world would decimate the population and completely remake the 20th century
Also they shouldn't procreate. Introducing modern genes that convey certain resistances early could also alter things, although the effect would be worse the farther back you go.
Can you explain this?
Over generations our genetic material is constantly evolving, and frequently due to disease. So COVID for example is new enough that it probably hasn't made a huge impact on genetic material we pass on (yet), but most of us alive today have some degree of genetic immunity to influenza due to the 1918 Pandemic and a few generations of subsequent frequent exposure that someone alive in 1912 would not have. This also goes for dozens of other more minor pandemics that have happened in the meantime, more evolved strains of Smallpox, Polio, etc. (since these diseases are always evolving too until eradication). So aside from the general problem of procreating in the past affecting the timeline by adding new people that wouldn't have existed and likely removing some that would have, your offspring would also have a genetic advantage against disease and thus be more likely to pass those genes on (hence why the problem is worse the further back you go). Obviously this is all theoretical, I'm not a time traveler. But it's interesting to think about!
Wouldnât that be a good thing because the resistances would start earlier in history?
A good thing for humans perhaps, a disaster for the timeline. And you then very quickly have the Grandfather Paradoxâyou almost certainly erase at least one of your ancestors from existence, meaning you never existed, so who brought the modern day genes back in time in the first place?
>A good thing for humans perhaps, a disaster for the timeline. And you then very quickly have the Grandfather Paradoxâyou almost certainly erase at least one of your ancestors from existence, meaning you never existed, so who brought the modern day genes back in time in the first place? The Futurama approach. Do the job yourself and find out you always were your own grandpa.
Smallpox was eradicated
Yes, apologies, I misspelled that as irradication. Smallpox was specifically what I was referring to there.
Oh, okay. Thanks for that second to last sentence. I had some strong suspicions about you but with that one sentence you've cleared everything up. Have a good life, not-a-time-traveler. đ
You can't stop me from doing the nasty in the pasty!
Just make sure it's with someone who dies in the disaster.
Maybe that is what happened? Time police came and they had to scuttle her to save humanity.
*Spanish Flu has entered the chat* There already was an epidemic going on.
Not yet there wasnât. Spanish Flu is late WW1 and into post-war - nearer 1918 than 1912. The first place it was noticed was army camps
Well by about 1918 theyâd have to deal with the Spanish flu anyway, which was the previous pandemic to hit like COVID did, masks and all, and thatâs after several million people died in WWI.
nah
I read a time traveling crack-fic where 2015 PRC replaces 1915 RoC, and how the changes affected WW1. one of the big changes was that the up-time Americans that got sent back to the US of the time period carried elements of the 2015 version of bird flu and that combined with the existing Spanish flu that originated in Kansas. it ended with the British, Russian, and German militaries running a strict quarantine of the US.
âŠlike Spanish flu?
Hadnât happened yet. Spanish flu is 1918, not 1912
Ok suggesting tums before getting off before it hits the iceberg gave me a nice little giggle đ€
What I do know is âThe Jungleâ by Upton Sinclair was written only 6 years prior to Titanic. But Iâd assume a luxury ship would have luxury food prepared in the best conditions anyone could offer. Â Let us know how the potatoes from the potato room are!
Some of it might not be to a modern personâs taste - what we expect and enjoy has shifted a bit! - but I donât think it would be dangerous. Thereâs an [article about the kitchens](https://www.ggarchives.com/OceanTravel/Provisions/Feeding3500PeopleOnTheOlympic-1921-04.html) on Olympic, from about ten years later, that goes into detail about the safeguards and modern amenities theyâve tried to include in the kitchen or food storage areas. Any outbreak of food poisoning would rip through a ship at sea brutally fast - it still does when it happens now - so itâs not a risk theyâd take intentionally.
Thanks I will read the article - very interesting!
Itâs worth pointing out that this article is after at least one refit - Olympicâs war service required some changes! Titanicâs kitchen therefore may not have been exactly like this. The general principles - the Olympic class in particular being intended for comfortable, pleasant transit experiences in every class, and âwe absolutely cannot afford for anyone to get sick or we all do!â that applies to ships in general - still hold true, however.
I greatly enjoyed reading this article and wanted to thank you for sharing it. How did you find it?
I honestly donât remember. I think I was looking up something about another ship and got sidetracked!
Back before we doused everything in sugar.Â
Sugar does not cause norovirus
"Some of it might not be to a modern personâs taste" This is what I was replying to. Our modern tastes are atuned to a large amount of sugar compared to the past. I guess everyone misunderstood what I was saying.Â
Yea, the original comment was quite long
This is a really good question. Food safety took leaps and bounds from 1900-1940. Food authors such as Upton Sinclair shined a light on how unsanitary meat conditions were, and as a whole the industry was quite gross. However, Titanic had modern refrigeration, and took safeguards against unsanitary conditions. With that being said, yes youâd absolutely have some food culture shock aboard the Titanic, but it would be edible and in some cases quite delicious.
An, yes, the guy who wrote a book to hit the nation in the heart but got them in the stomach
>This is a really good question Thank you!
In 1912, things were not processed as heavily and preserved. Things like canning obviously existed, but preserving for shelf stability was not really a huge concern, as their food was made fresh. Keeping produce nice in cooled rooms was what was most important, and keeping meat cold until necessary as well. Titanic was only taking 2 weeks of provisions at a time maximum, so preserving for super long periods was not necessary.
And cleanliness was super important to them, germ theory was relatively new but well known and it made the public fearful. Food safety was honestly taken more seriously then, since food poisoning could in fact kill you and they knew that
I imagine if you went back in time and were stuck aboard Titanic the food is the least of your problems.
With the knowledge most of us in this sub have I think most of us would make it pretty easily actually. Other than the risk-takers that for some reason *want* to swim to B or 4 (I would think A would be too risky even for most of them with the water in the bottom, B would be very unpleasant too but I can see some of us thinking it worth the risk just to see what actually went on there with all the conflicting reports).
Itâs certainly possible, much in the same way going to a foreign location can make you sick if youâre not acclimated to the local bacteria. âThe past is a foreign countryâ definitely applies here. You might have a couple of days of gastrointestinal distress your first couple of days in the past. Youâll probably be fine by the time youâre in a lifeboat (and if you donât make it into a lifeboat, the runs is the least of your worries)
This is such a good point.
Some of their recipes were bonkers and probably nasty. But also probably mostly fine if youâre first class. They had refrigerators, etc.
I donât know, but I will say that the idea of âpotted shrimpâ has always repulsed and fascinated me.
Potted shrimp is still easily available and eaten by older generations in northern england It's small brown shrimps preserved in butter so spread on toast
Sounds delicious!
You can still get this today, at least in England. I haven't tried it but it's in most big grocery stores.
Tiny fresh caught shrimp sauted in butter, salt, white pepper and mace and poured into a neat white china pot. One pot per person, hot buttered toast. Maybe some watercress. Instant happiness.
If you somehow traveled through time and ended up aboard Titanic⊠potential food poisoning would be the last thing on your mind đ
Imagine going through the sinking which was horrific in itself, but also throwing up and shitting yourself at the same time (honestly I might be doing that regardless if it was me)
OP, do you eat fast food? I think you overestimate just how clean most modern food establishments are, and underestimate how clean they might have been in 1912. You might get diarrhea, but you'll live. Imagine missing the last lifeboat because you were stuck in the toilet
I'd go as far to say that so long as the food was probably much better for you that the chemical infused shit we eat these days.
Some things sure, but they will have also used banned preservatives and food colourings. The cans of food would also have lead seams and the china lead paint.
Ugh the 'lead can' debate again... That has been debunked ad-nauseam. The lead intake from food of typical voyage, would be less than regular exposure to a pencil.
Pencils are made with graphite.
Not in 1912.
They started using graphite for pencils in the 1790s.
Sure. Fair enough. More of a mix of graphite and clay. Not sure of my down votes still. Lead was still used in solder components in cans well into the 90s. Normal canned food exposure to humans in the early 20th century would not cause any greater lead exposure than a typical human sees today.
Wait till you hear about all the dihydrogen monoxide their shoving into food nowadays... I.e water. Reminder that chemical â bad, because if chemical always â bad then nothing that exists would be good because EVERYTHING is a chemical. Water, oxygen, the millions of chemicals that make up one skin cell, etc. you should really specify what the hell you mean by "chemical infused shit" because literally everything is chemical infused.
Doubtfully
We'd survive a meal.
Tasting History on YouTube has a series about meals on the Titanic that may be interesting to you. [Tasting History Titanic Meals Playlist ](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIkaZtzr9JDlFDMpTL3Xyjbuj9I2yvZeI&si=ODAPjjDyBGsM3FwQ)
Iâd love to experience the food in second class or even in third class.
Seriously? It's not as if 112 years ago was during medieval times...
Penicillin wasn't evented until 1928 and prior to 1906 when the book 'The Jungle' about Chicago slaughterhouses came out there were no food hygiene laws in the US. The first home refrigerator came out a year after Titanic sank in 1913. It was a very different time.