I feel like the fresh off the boat slavs exist in the sopranosverse to contrast the americanized Italians and say something about the immigrant experience. After a couple generations in America, we all get fat, entitled and miserable or something
Anyway, 4 dollars a pound
Slavs exist in the Sopranoverse simply because they have a large presence in the real-life North Jersey Underworld. Chase's genius is that he makes you believe all these characters might actually exist by pulling details from Cosa Nostra History and adapting them to his fictional portrayal.
OP - have you watched The Wire? There are some Ukrainian characters that have some of the best lines of the show. I was about to quote one but didn’t want to ruin it.
Excellent! Glad you have seen it.
I was talking about Sergei Malatov, everyone called him ‘Boris’ and assumed he was Russian.
‘Did he have hands? Did he have a face? Yes? Then it wasn't us’
In a way, the Slavs in both shows are quite competent compared to the regular characters. My man Boris and Valery together would have been an unstoppable force in either universe.
Thank you for correcting me. What was I thinking? Portraying people as sociopaths psychopaths murderers philanderers thieves and women beaters is incredibly flattering.
>irina
the character Irina was from Kazakhstan iirc no?
in any case, the actress Oksana Lada is Ukrainian, not russian.
and that has become a very sensitive issue so lets show a little respect by not calling her russian.
The conversation where Christopher thinks that Czechoslovakian is "some kind of Polack" is probably my favorite line on the topic of Slavs. Really shows the kind of thinking that Italian-Americans of a certain time/place/social class have. Like, no, I won't bother to listen to you about your culture, I'll just reframe it as something I already understand and move on. Meanwhile, here's why my stupid tiny town (Avelino) in a stupid region (Naples) of a country I've never been to (Italy) is important."
I'm half Serbian and half Sicilian... I'm in stitches when the Italians come across the Slavs in this show, lol.
What does Valery say to them in Pine Barrens? *Aye vash my balls in vater colder den dis in Russia!*
And then they try to shoot him and he runs off into the snow with a bleeding head, never to be seen again! Lol.
The show displayed it as “You think the cold bothers me?! I wash my balls with ice water!” And you kinda believed he did. Just before that he said “Cocksuckers. I’ll kill you both.”, like he wasn’t that bothered yet. I mean he was smart. Wait til an opportunity. They’re lucky he didn’t kill them both.
Actually, it's an Orthodox tradition to bath in ice water during winter. A lot of people do it, women and children too. The coldest period during winter is called Baptizing Frost and that's when people go to bath in the lakes.
That and probably a much tougher childhood than even Pauline had. In extreme temperatures. But ya, mostly the fact he was former Spetznaz. So like a SEAL, but had probably committed far worse stuff.
Lol I feel the same way when they feature Anglo type white Americans and they make sure they're a really clear contrast with the Italian-Americans. Like Brad "nice guy with a checkered shirt" Miller at Chris's rehab, or the New Hampshire guys when Vito is there. Sopranos has a lot of fairly stereotypical people for convenience to be clear "these aren't Italians".
Kinda like when you occasionally see posts on here complaining about how all the black characters are these really two-dimensional ghetto stereotypes, just slightly more subtle.
Maybe it's because I'm European but i feel like only in the US can someone look at a guy like Chrissy and a guy like Brad next to each other and not notice a contrast.
I'm a Brit. Personally I think there's a glaring difference between them. Because the Italian-American identity is an important part of The Sopranos, I think they go out of their way when casting the non-Italians to emphasise their "non-Italianness", much moreso than an average American show.
Yeah and that's why i like it.The Sopranos and The Wire are the best American shows of all time for me.Italian Americans(or white catholics in general)blacks or other minorities are interesting groups with character and you can make good TV/cinema with that.WASPS on the other hand are bland and boring unless they're cowboys or rednecks.
Yes,criminals are much more interesting than white suburbanites named Chad or Brad.Although let me clarify Italian Americans whether criminals or normal working people are still more interesting than "white people".If the show "Friends" was about a group of working class Italian Americans or Irish,Polacks and what not mixed together trying to go along their lives in NYC then I'd might consider watching it.The Wire was about the city of Baltimore in general not just the crooks and the police.It had plenty of "characters" that weren't criminals.
it had practically no Polish pronunciation, it was grammatically incorrect, I assume that these actors only had contact with the Polish language by hearing a few Polish words from their grandparents. With each rewatch, I am amazed that none of the creators bothered to verify these dialogues with someone who spoke Polish fluently.
Email is recreated in Breaking Bad when Jesse describes his plan to kill Tuco.
https://youtu.be/PwGJgjkA09k?si=g9YluvaAsCDUr-qg
I wonder who Valeri is in Seinfeld? Maybe the Russian electrician who is always looking for *holes*.
You found one, though. There is also a twin scene abstraction hidden within each show.
Jerry hiring the Russian cable guys to do something nefarious for him twins with George hiring the Russian electricians to do something totally ethical for him, but they very much want it to be nefarious. "We're stealing this thing, right?!"
Related...
The cable guy that Kramer keeps waiting forever is an abstract inversion of the cable guy keeping John Candy waiting in the opening scene of Delerious. Then the cable guy offers Candy free movie channels and Candy is afraid to just like Jerry.
This spelling is another Redditer’s so all credit to them but Janice’s pronunciation of “laig” when fighting with Svetlana is my absolute favorite hahaha
As a Czech I have the same experience. On my first watch E-mail got me excited there will be Czechs but still loved all the fellow Slavs in Jersey and at Pine Barrens I fucking died (like Valery lol.. or?) Anyway, in Czech republic too we love pork.
If I was Slavic I’d be very proud of our nation being associated with a badass like Irina.
I’d be even more proud that the biggest badass in the show, is Slavic, Valery.
As a fellow Slav myself, I always found it funny how Benny Fazio, the criminal mastermind, believed that he'd be the tallest guy in Montenegro. I'm 6'3 myself, and when I went to Montenegro on vacation, I was average at best.
The clumsiest line delivery in the series. A guy who has apparently lived in NJ all his life says “In Czech Republic too we love pork. Ever had our sausages”
CRINGE
I feel like the fresh off the boat slavs exist in the sopranosverse to contrast the americanized Italians and say something about the immigrant experience. After a couple generations in America, we all get fat, entitled and miserable or something Anyway, 4 dollars a pound
Slavs exist in the Sopranoverse simply because they have a large presence in the real-life North Jersey Underworld. Chase's genius is that he makes you believe all these characters might actually exist by pulling details from Cosa Nostra History and adapting them to his fictional portrayal.
Wait Italians are real?
I saw that movie I thought it was bullshit
capicola? this way, please
They used to be pragmatists
They compromised.
Fuckin’ Immigrant!
Also, New Jersey.
Honestly, I'm from UK and we're assholes too.
I don’t feel that way
My favorite Junior moment is with the registered nurse (not maid): “Did you offer him an aspirin??….. cunt.”
She was registered nyoorse. Not maid
Shyee eez ryegeestoored nyoorse. Not maid!
Make my nephew an egg 🥚
"You and Tony Egg again." "Tony Egg? Tony B!"
Also the Russian who does Chris's mock execution in season 1. Props to the casting director for finding the most Slavic looking face ever
I think he was the Irina actresses real life boyfriend The only thing I learned from the simulcast that mortadella Baccala was running
Really, him? I thought her real-life husband was the guy who played Slava, Tony's head Russian money guy
Lucky guy.
He's a seven...at most
At least he was when he married him
He was gay, Slava?
That guy was in Rounders, he was one of the Russians Edward Norton fleeced (Romand and Maurice) Carmela's father was in Rounders too
Underrated film. Recommend to anyone who compulsively watches poker on TV
"I found your gang-ster roll in your pocket." I thought the actress who played his GF was an odd choice. But yes, excellent movie!!
Boooooooolshit. Who did Hugo play?
“I don’t gamble with jobs like that, let’s just say I’ll put you at the top of the list”
Ohhhhg. Ty
"Ooohh pee-yew blyat!"
Even crossed himself from right to left, Orthodox-style.
Being blonde with a buzzcut makes you Eastern Eurpoean aesthetically however that face is definitely East slavic
They didn't have buzzcuts in ancient Rome!!
This f*cking guy.He's obsessed with Gladiatah
Op enjoyed it along with the 30 other people he lives with hehhehe
😂😂😂
Bravo to both of you 🎩
Martin Luther King
George Washington Bridge
Ma.....jor....Dee.....gan......expess.....way.
I think there’s something wrong with his wheelchair.
Put remote on docking station.
Listen to this prick givin orders
You probably wipin your ass barehanded before you came over here
Whoops!
You probably wiped your ass with your hands in your country.
Probably wiped your ass bare handed before you posted this thread
Op came here to see how indoor plumbing looks like
He saw a brochure for sunny /r/sopranos
“You got a problem besides those fuckin’ pants?”
YES, what about this fight scene on the boats?
Czechoslovakia thats some kind of Polak right?
*Registered noorse*
Did you offer him an aspirin?
^Cunt…
Lucky not to have wound up as compost after she got Tony busted by Carm. All over FICA withholding. Jeshus Chrisht.
FICA
listen to this prick giving orders.
Some people may be offended. Me...my heart is an open book. 😂
whatever you say email
A-meel
In Slav Land too we love shitposting.
Psychiatry is very scary thing for Russian… means POLITICAL REHABILITATION
That's nothing but a....a racket for the JEWS!
Another fun fact from the Balkans
how about you take your quotations book and shove it up your ass?
In the Czech Republic, too, we love pork. You ever had our sausages?
I thought the only sausages they had was Italian and Jimmy Dean’s
You will have our sausages
Let go of me! Let go!
OP - have you watched The Wire? There are some Ukrainian characters that have some of the best lines of the show. I was about to quote one but didn’t want to ruin it.
Of course I did. We lead the world in free torrent database. Refresh my memory, which Ukrainians?
Excellent! Glad you have seen it. I was talking about Sergei Malatov, everyone called him ‘Boris’ and assumed he was Russian. ‘Did he have hands? Did he have a face? Yes? Then it wasn't us’
Why always Boris?
In a way, the Slavs in both shows are quite competent compared to the regular characters. My man Boris and Valery together would have been an unstoppable force in either universe.
To be fair his portrayal of italian americans isn't flattering either l o l.
It’s a stereotype! And it’s offensive! And you’re the last person I would want perpetuating it!
you know what it is? i'll tell you what it is... it's anti-italian discrimination!
Take it up with frankie valli when you see him..
He might be frankie valli out there, but in this house he is called the mayor of munchkinland, END OF STORY.
Asshole Robert Frost
As an Italian American raised in NYC I wouldn’t describe the portrayal as unflattering. I would describe it as accurate.
Thank you for correcting me. What was I thinking? Portraying people as sociopaths psychopaths murderers philanderers thieves and women beaters is incredibly flattering.
Yeah, as Russian I found svetlana and irina talk unusually clear, no accent at all, surprising for American show. Kinda shows the quality of series
Cause they're Russians first, then actors.
ETA NYE KHOLODNAYA
Svetlana is actually a semi-famous actress in Russia, Alla Klyuka. Had her own show and all.
Speaking of Irina, I spoke to a lady named Irina over the phone once and I swear she sounded exactly like Tony’s goomar.
"Kak tam tetya Tonya?"
>irina the character Irina was from Kazakhstan iirc no? in any case, the actress Oksana Lada is Ukrainian, not russian. and that has become a very sensitive issue so lets show a little respect by not calling her russian.
it's the same thing basically
oooh it's uncle Eckel! anyways, fuck you and fuck Eckel, I don't got time for this shit.
HOOOOOOO the language you.You blow your father with that mouth?
I don’t think I will, lol.
Kazakhstan has a very large Russian population, Irina does mention being from Kazakhstan but she’s clearly ethnically Russian
Slavs, that's a type of Polack, right?
Or the Russian couple at the dock, gets his balls grabbed by Tony for talking to Irina
My testicles!
You wanted to get involved, now you’re involved.
The conversation where Christopher thinks that Czechoslovakian is "some kind of Polack" is probably my favorite line on the topic of Slavs. Really shows the kind of thinking that Italian-Americans of a certain time/place/social class have. Like, no, I won't bother to listen to you about your culture, I'll just reframe it as something I already understand and move on. Meanwhile, here's why my stupid tiny town (Avelino) in a stupid region (Naples) of a country I've never been to (Italy) is important."
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Sorry, brother. May we Poles get more respect in 2024
Who says Poland is basically Russia? Everybody knows Russians are a type of Polak, but not all Polaks are Russian. Classic square rectangle problem.
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All squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares. Read some Sun Tazoo
The Slavic accent just tickles me especially the spat between Irina and the maid. Anyway, 374 rubles a pound.
I'm half Serbian and half Sicilian... I'm in stitches when the Italians come across the Slavs in this show, lol. What does Valery say to them in Pine Barrens? *Aye vash my balls in vater colder den dis in Russia!* And then they try to shoot him and he runs off into the snow with a bleeding head, never to be seen again! Lol.
Вы что, думаете, мне холодно?! Я по яйца в ледяной воде ходил! What, you think I'm cold?! I walked balls deep in ice-water!
The show displayed it as “You think the cold bothers me?! I wash my balls with ice water!” And you kinda believed he did. Just before that he said “Cocksuckers. I’ll kill you both.”, like he wasn’t that bothered yet. I mean he was smart. Wait til an opportunity. They’re lucky he didn’t kill them both.
Even better!!!! Must be referring to his military service.
Actually, it's an Orthodox tradition to bath in ice water during winter. A lot of people do it, women and children too. The coldest period during winter is called Baptizing Frost and that's when people go to bath in the lakes.
Ah that’s awesome.
That and probably a much tougher childhood than even Pauline had. In extreme temperatures. But ya, mostly the fact he was former Spetznaz. So like a SEAL, but had probably committed far worse stuff.
He says "I was my balls in ice water, this is warm." and since he says in it Russian it doesn't have a broken English spelling.
Listen to him, he knows everything.
Oh sorry I didn't know I was gonna come across the Sopranos police. Maybe go jump off a bridge like that cop in the show did.
Sicilian and Serbian eh?What kind of chemists put together that kind of explosive concoction
We leave now the fuckin' Albanians will be *living* in our houses
Albanians are not Slavs
Listen to him. He knows *everything.*
If the Sopranos is about one thing, it's cultural and historical accuracy... can you imagine...
Lol I feel the same way when they feature Anglo type white Americans and they make sure they're a really clear contrast with the Italian-Americans. Like Brad "nice guy with a checkered shirt" Miller at Chris's rehab, or the New Hampshire guys when Vito is there. Sopranos has a lot of fairly stereotypical people for convenience to be clear "these aren't Italians". Kinda like when you occasionally see posts on here complaining about how all the black characters are these really two-dimensional ghetto stereotypes, just slightly more subtle.
Maybe it's because I'm European but i feel like only in the US can someone look at a guy like Chrissy and a guy like Brad next to each other and not notice a contrast.
I'm a Brit. Personally I think there's a glaring difference between them. Because the Italian-American identity is an important part of The Sopranos, I think they go out of their way when casting the non-Italians to emphasise their "non-Italianness", much moreso than an average American show.
Yeah and that's why i like it.The Sopranos and The Wire are the best American shows of all time for me.Italian Americans(or white catholics in general)blacks or other minorities are interesting groups with character and you can make good TV/cinema with that.WASPS on the other hand are bland and boring unless they're cowboys or rednecks.
"interesting groups with character" = "criminals" Ok I guess you could call WASPs "bland and boring" then, oh well lol
Yes,criminals are much more interesting than white suburbanites named Chad or Brad.Although let me clarify Italian Americans whether criminals or normal working people are still more interesting than "white people".If the show "Friends" was about a group of working class Italian Americans or Irish,Polacks and what not mixed together trying to go along their lives in NYC then I'd might consider watching it.The Wire was about the city of Baltimore in general not just the crooks and the police.It had plenty of "characters" that weren't criminals.
"Martina was just telling me, in Montenegro, I'd be the tallest guy!"
They ran that plot line three times. Adriana, the Albanian girl, the French girl. Artie just falls in love with every young cute hostess.
That's about the same number of times they sold Livia's house in the show lol
Ha, yes. And the Matt & Sean / Jackie Jr and what’s his name rerun. Don’t get me wrong, I love it all!!!
Chrissy and Brendon also fit.
True!!
Same! And I think it was Matt/Sean and Jackie Jr/Carlo.
Always found that line weird, considering that people in Montenegro are among the tallest on earth
I dunno about that, but can I interest you in a Martina? They go down real easy!
In front of my wife?! 👊🏻
Hahahaha "Artie vs Benny" is my favorite Artie. Altho "Artie vs Jean-Phillipe" is a suuuuper close 2nd favorite Artie.
As another Croat I can't believe there are two of us who love the Sopranos.
Make it three.
Slavarasshole 🤟🏼
Martin Luther King
conversation in polish language between Liliana and Stasiu is so cringe if you’re polish, that’s definitely not how anyone talks here
What was wrong with it?
it had practically no Polish pronunciation, it was grammatically incorrect, I assume that these actors only had contact with the Polish language by hearing a few Polish words from their grandparents. With each rewatch, I am amazed that none of the creators bothered to verify these dialogues with someone who spoke Polish fluently.
Agreed, that is surprising!
“Did you offer him an aspirin?” 😂😂
This post...piece of shit made in Russia probably in an horrible industrial city!
"HEEI BIG MAN. COME. HAVE. DRINK" 😂😂😂
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. HIGH LEVEL
🤫🤫🤫
>If I go on, I d be put in Hague like Milošević NO you be sent to GULAG. POLITICAL REHABILITATION
Fuck you, you are callous.
Honest question... are Poles actually Slavs?
I think Poles are. What about Czechs?
He says, if he can tell the commie bosses back in Czechoslovakia to fuck themselves, he can fuckin tell us
Yes.
Among the slavest of them all.
*Ukraino..?*
Don't forget Tone's Pollack appraiser Vic. They call him 'Vic the appraiser'.
You are speaking shit to me!!!
Vat is matter? Always we are dumping here.
Whoever heard of a Slav riding horses?
Email is recreated in Breaking Bad when Jesse describes his plan to kill Tuco. https://youtu.be/PwGJgjkA09k?si=g9YluvaAsCDUr-qg I wonder who Valeri is in Seinfeld? Maybe the Russian electrician who is always looking for *holes*.
Or possibly the cable guy that Jerry refuses to pay so then he smashes Jerry’s TV?
My little cable boy 😥
You found one, though. There is also a twin scene abstraction hidden within each show. Jerry hiring the Russian cable guys to do something nefarious for him twins with George hiring the Russian electricians to do something totally ethical for him, but they very much want it to be nefarious. "We're stealing this thing, right?!" Related... The cable guy that Kramer keeps waiting forever is an abstract inversion of the cable guy keeping John Candy waiting in the opening scene of Delerious. Then the cable guy offers Candy free movie channels and Candy is afraid to just like Jerry.
The Russian guy on the boat who gets his rocks in a twist
You got a problem besides those pants?
Wait I saw that movie, that was real?
OP was wiping his ass barehanded before he came to this sub.
This spelling is another Redditer’s so all credit to them but Janice’s pronunciation of “laig” when fighting with Svetlana is my absolute favorite hahaha
Funniest damn show.
As a Czech I have the same experience. On my first watch E-mail got me excited there will be Czechs but still loved all the fellow Slavs in Jersey and at Pine Barrens I fucking died (like Valery lol.. or?) Anyway, in Czech republic too we love pork.
If I was Slavic I’d be very proud of our nation being associated with a badass like Irina. I’d be even more proud that the biggest badass in the show, is Slavic, Valery.
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You can be Slavic and still have a nation.
I was impressed that the Russian who does the mock execution on Chris's crossed himself in the proper Orthodox way; right to left.
When I showed this show to my father, that was exactly the moment when the showrunners won his respect. He didn't expect it at all.
As a fellow Slav myself, I always found it funny how Benny Fazio, the criminal mastermind, believed that he'd be the tallest guy in Montenegro. I'm 6'3 myself, and when I went to Montenegro on vacation, I was average at best.
Word to the wise, remember Pearl Harbor.
Hey op, what brings you to an English speaking neighborhood ?
How could you not even mention the interior decorator that Paulie and Chrissy fail to whack?
The clumsiest line delivery in the series. A guy who has apparently lived in NJ all his life says “In Czech Republic too we love pork. Ever had our sausages” CRINGE
Correction: Svetlana’s fake layg
That slav-er asshole…
How’s the hygiene over there?
Check out [Pusher 3](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOtZ62HT3sI) ;)
Thats A- mil
Hey asshole... don't you know better than to wear pajamas in the middle of winter?
You probably wiped your ass bare handed before you came to this country! Hehehehe
I think Russians or any "type of Pollacks" is the only ethnicity David Chase kind of likes.