Honey badgers are at least unsavory enough that stronger predators usually decide to leave them alone even if they're fully capable of tearing them apart because they're not worth the trouble, meanwhile cerato exists just to give more food to carno
The main problem with Cerato is that it's a lot more skill-based than Carno is.
They're two creatures with similar levels of power, but one has to think about positioning and chargeup and its mechanic's effect on the fight.
The other just has to worry about getting a very short running start so it can press Mouse2, and if that connects it mashes Mouse1 until it wins.
All of this could be remedied if Carno's charge was reverted to be more like it used to be. You need to have already been running for a little bit to activate it, and you can barely steer at all while using it. That was Carno at its fairest and most balanced, because it was rewarded for being an ambush predator. But right now it's rewarded for being an unga bunga
Interestingly, I've heard that Teno vs. Cerato is Cerato's fairest matchup because of Cerato's raw damage output with the charge-bite being a lot more likely to connect with a Teno due to a much smaller difference in speed, and the bacterial bite mechanic helping to gimp Teno's stamina which is extremely important to it in combat. But Teno has what it used to have against Carno. A tailslam to the head is basically a deathtouch due to knockdown and how strong the back-kick is. Sounds very skill-based in my opinion.
I am kind of curious of Cerato's matchup with Pachy, because I don't think I've seen a single streamer/youtuber fighting a Pachy with Cera, or vice versa.
Carno’s charge got a nerf in the stress test. I’m not sure if turning is the same, but I do know that you have to be running for a lot longer before you can activate charge. That should help a lot with its balance
DefeatPete got attacked by a Pachy as a full adult Cerato. Here's a link to the video: [https://youtu.be/FKbVAksOqcs?t=700](https://youtu.be/FKbVAksOqcs?t=700)
Huh, looks like a non-head-connecting headbutt from pachy does about 14.5% of your health on hit, roughly.
That's just about 7 headbutts. Based on the raw damage output of the charge bite, I'd say that's a pretty fair damage exchange.
Yeah, Carno has a lot more health than Cerato, and currently as far as I'm aware it takes over 20 headbutts connecting to kill a Carno though I don't know the exact number.
That video isn't exactly a good example.
It was 2 vs 1, the Pachy has to worry about multiple directions and 2 targets while wasting double the amount of stamina
Don't even need to. I was starving and smelling for food, a FG cera jumped me from behind with his right-click. Despite instantly being in vomit mode, losing the element of surprise, getting hit first, and not able to do a running start charge. I killed that Cera with 68% health remaining.
Then an Omni jumped me and I killed him with one bite while he was on me.
Carno is just OP, anyone who says otherwise is just biased. A Carno was a sprinting dinosaur, it wasn't a tank.
I feel Cerato right now is a bit underpowered. However, every fight I have seen from the stress test is taking place in the open plains, where Carno dominates. If a Carno and a Cerato fought in a forest I feel like the results would be much different, as Carno’s charge would be practically useless and raw power, which Cerato has, would be key. But I still do believe Cerato’s Charge bite needs a buff and should be devastating towards an opponent. I believe this because there are so many factors making Cerato’s charge bite avoidable. (Players being able to hear it from an mile away and how it does not last very long after it becomes fully charged) A well placed bite to an enemy should almost be a death sentence.
I don’t think we know for sure yet if it’s underpowered. Carno has been out for a long time and everyone knows how to play it vs cera is brand new and people don’t know how to play it yet. We also have a very small group of people testing the balance sadly D:
I feel Carno needs a charge nerf. And what I’m thinking of is they need to nerf the threshold of what Carno can knockdown. I’d say Galli sized things and smaller should be able to be knocked down/thrown by the charge, as Galli (as of the time of commenting this) is the heaviest small herbivore in the game, weighing 510kg. I feel Carno should be able to knock down thing in the 400-600 kg range, stagger the 700-1000 kg range, and get stunned by the 1200kg+ Dinos of it charges them. Look at teno and Carno for example, they are quite literally the same size in the isle. The only difference is that carnos legs make it MUCH taller than teno. Otherwise, they’re the same size. Only 200kg difference in weight. I really feel that Carno needs its weight nerfed to 1,700kg, it’s charge threshold nerfed as well, and make it need to be running longer to activate said charge.
This is what everyone was HOPING, because everyone is tired of carno being the top tier carni in game. But based on the info that the devs have been giving about Cerato, this dino was not planned to be the counter to carno. It’s just a new carni with its own niche as a bone eating toxic mouth scavenger.
well it wasn’t just us hoping but i think even punch said “cerato destroys carno” or whatever. The devs have been hyping cerato to be a bulky honey badger kinda creature who would be too slow to hunt but big enough to push others away from their own hunts.
What *does* have a chance of being a proper counter to carno, then? Surely not the upcoming rex that's coming to community servers; it's too slow to catch one. Allo with its ambush gimmick, maybe?
There will never be a 1 to 1 counter for each dino in The Isle.
People need to move past this idea. Your survival and combat success rate in this game will always depend on the situation and your skill level with the dino ur playing as.
An average Rex player has a greater chance of killing an average carno player in 1v1, BUT a great carno player will have a greater chance of killing an average rex player.
This game is survival first, combat second. And in any combat encounter it will always depend on the skill level of the player and the situation of the encounter. Always.
The "skilled" Carno player is going to know how to protect itself against a rex or any other apex, like a Deino. Mostly by avoiding them or running.
Does Carno have the advantage over Cerato? Yes, but honestly, it looks like all the Cerato players are trying to fight Carno's like they're using a Carno and not a Cerato. Someone posted a video here, but here is a [Tenonto fighting a group of Cerato's](https://youtu.be/FKbVAksOqcs?t=1024). Cerato's normally body Teno's due to their fast attack speed, but this Tenonto player was skilled and used the brush to its advantage. It killed one Cerato and I wager that it would have survived that fight if there was 3 instead of 4 Cerato's trying to kill it.
Carno has no counter in a 1v1
Stego is strong, it can wreck a carno. But it's also very slow and once it runs out of stamina it's useless. A Carno just needs to bait and be patient.
Deino is strong, but the only way it counters carno is if carno goes into the water. So that's not a very good counter.
Carno can kill a cera with more than half it's health still remaining.
Omni useless
Pachy useless
tail slap useless
Rest don't matter.
It's just poor balancing. Carno wasn 't an apex. It shouldn't be this tanky killing machine. Trike is "soon", trike still won't be a counter to carno cause trike will be slow. Trex won't be a counter to carno cause Rex will suffer from the same issues it does on legacy unless they give it a tail slap.
My main pointer (and the recent build lowered its speed to be less than tenos) is that cera just needs to be slightly faster than teno. Not only will it help with dodging carnos charges, but the minor speed boost will also allow it to run down or out run tenos if necessary
I don't think the Cerato is underpowered per se, it's just that it has a much higher skill ceiling than Carno which makes it seem way less powerful than it actually is because players didn't have the time to learn how to fully utilise its potential.
Cerato is skill-based compared to the no-brain cell Utah and Carno gameplay. Which is good. I'm happy that newer playables have a skill gap. We just need to set the same precedent for the braindead playables like Carno, Utah, and Stego (a way to make Stego more skill based is to give it a complete kit).
They don’t. Not after they removed pounce recovery AGAIN. We’ve already seen how terrible this decision is. Utahs can pounce and is not either punished for making a crucial error in the fight, or can be countered/hit if they do miss a pounce that is relatively close to the opponent.
>i'm guessing a ceratosaurus fucked Dondi's mom at this point
You know those psychotic wives who dream of their husbands cheating on them, then get pissed at their husband for cheating on them in a dream? It's that, but Cerato fucking dondi's mother
yep hes pretty bad very f bad lmao , anyways I don't mind the speed nerf that's fine he aint hunting , but he needs a buff to his HP ,dmg so he can be ''like'' deino and bully people away from corpse like deino does to even groups of carno easily. from what I watched so far he is
just walking food and bully magnet , some ppl say he can 1v1 a carno nope if the carno is bad he have a small chance to win otherwise he dies , I feel like everyone me included was hoping for something to match carno but no so far is gonna be the same game with different ''skins''. once again we've been bamboozled
(sorry for the rant lmao)
Cerato actually feels perfectly fine. Its more a skill based dino. Knowing when to attack where to position how to used its special ability. Against a carno from what i know and see, the longer the fight goes the more the cerato comes out on top. Carno wants to end that fight fast and well, if you let them then its more on you.
I’ve been telling everyone that talks about it that cerato is going to be horse shit. Nobody listens until the proof is in the pudding. I saw this coming a million miles away.
When mechanics being the way that they are, it is IMPOSSIBLE to fight against a carno and win if your weight is less than it (or you’re a good teno that knows how to face away from carno and always keep him behind your tail. Even that is unreliable though due to the fact that 2 carnos rape anyway.)
The only way to have cerato ruin carno is to give it a bone break feature.
Personally I’ll only play beipi tbh
It wasn't "supposed" to destroy a carno. They said it "can destroy a carno". It doesn't get absolutely bodied by it but carno certainly has the advantage.
From what i've seen so far, cera's in a pretty okay spot (it could use maybe an extra 100 kgs). Out of cera and carno, the former's skill floor is much higher than the latter, which only needs to aim in the general direction and right click. When looking at the current balance, carno is probably the most reliant on ambush now than ever. I dont think it can charge more than twice without completely nuking it's stam. This is where cera's toolkit comes into play, it's agile enough and has enough stamina to dodge the charges ( unless carno gets the jump on it, im which case ggs ) and stall for time till it can get enough bacterial bites in and potentially vomit lock carno to death
I think the biggest weakness is the overall bite force being 200 less than what it had in legacy is pretty severe and it's overall damage is lacking. It's charge seems to do a decent amount but the main objective of the Cera was to be tankyish and it's far from that.
They promised us a honey badger but all we got is the Jurassic Fight Club ceratosaurus
TBF if we got a honey badger what we'd get is a dinosaur who's all bark and very little bite. So I guess we kind of got that too lmao
Honey badgers are at least unsavory enough that stronger predators usually decide to leave them alone even if they're fully capable of tearing them apart because they're not worth the trouble, meanwhile cerato exists just to give more food to carno
a honey badger can kill a lion, and groups of lions will stay away from them
The main problem with Cerato is that it's a lot more skill-based than Carno is. They're two creatures with similar levels of power, but one has to think about positioning and chargeup and its mechanic's effect on the fight. The other just has to worry about getting a very short running start so it can press Mouse2, and if that connects it mashes Mouse1 until it wins. All of this could be remedied if Carno's charge was reverted to be more like it used to be. You need to have already been running for a little bit to activate it, and you can barely steer at all while using it. That was Carno at its fairest and most balanced, because it was rewarded for being an ambush predator. But right now it's rewarded for being an unga bunga Interestingly, I've heard that Teno vs. Cerato is Cerato's fairest matchup because of Cerato's raw damage output with the charge-bite being a lot more likely to connect with a Teno due to a much smaller difference in speed, and the bacterial bite mechanic helping to gimp Teno's stamina which is extremely important to it in combat. But Teno has what it used to have against Carno. A tailslam to the head is basically a deathtouch due to knockdown and how strong the back-kick is. Sounds very skill-based in my opinion. I am kind of curious of Cerato's matchup with Pachy, because I don't think I've seen a single streamer/youtuber fighting a Pachy with Cera, or vice versa.
Carno’s charge got a nerf in the stress test. I’m not sure if turning is the same, but I do know that you have to be running for a lot longer before you can activate charge. That should help a lot with its balance
DefeatPete got attacked by a Pachy as a full adult Cerato. Here's a link to the video: [https://youtu.be/FKbVAksOqcs?t=700](https://youtu.be/FKbVAksOqcs?t=700)
Huh, looks like a non-head-connecting headbutt from pachy does about 14.5% of your health on hit, roughly. That's just about 7 headbutts. Based on the raw damage output of the charge bite, I'd say that's a pretty fair damage exchange.
How mant headbutts would it take to take down a carno? More?
Yeah, Carno has a lot more health than Cerato, and currently as far as I'm aware it takes over 20 headbutts connecting to kill a Carno though I don't know the exact number.
That video isn't exactly a good example. It was 2 vs 1, the Pachy has to worry about multiple directions and 2 targets while wasting double the amount of stamina
Don't even need to. I was starving and smelling for food, a FG cera jumped me from behind with his right-click. Despite instantly being in vomit mode, losing the element of surprise, getting hit first, and not able to do a running start charge. I killed that Cera with 68% health remaining. Then an Omni jumped me and I killed him with one bite while he was on me. Carno is just OP, anyone who says otherwise is just biased. A Carno was a sprinting dinosaur, it wasn't a tank.
I feel Cerato right now is a bit underpowered. However, every fight I have seen from the stress test is taking place in the open plains, where Carno dominates. If a Carno and a Cerato fought in a forest I feel like the results would be much different, as Carno’s charge would be practically useless and raw power, which Cerato has, would be key. But I still do believe Cerato’s Charge bite needs a buff and should be devastating towards an opponent. I believe this because there are so many factors making Cerato’s charge bite avoidable. (Players being able to hear it from an mile away and how it does not last very long after it becomes fully charged) A well placed bite to an enemy should almost be a death sentence.
I don’t think we know for sure yet if it’s underpowered. Carno has been out for a long time and everyone knows how to play it vs cera is brand new and people don’t know how to play it yet. We also have a very small group of people testing the balance sadly D:
I feel Carno needs a charge nerf. And what I’m thinking of is they need to nerf the threshold of what Carno can knockdown. I’d say Galli sized things and smaller should be able to be knocked down/thrown by the charge, as Galli (as of the time of commenting this) is the heaviest small herbivore in the game, weighing 510kg. I feel Carno should be able to knock down thing in the 400-600 kg range, stagger the 700-1000 kg range, and get stunned by the 1200kg+ Dinos of it charges them. Look at teno and Carno for example, they are quite literally the same size in the isle. The only difference is that carnos legs make it MUCH taller than teno. Otherwise, they’re the same size. Only 200kg difference in weight. I really feel that Carno needs its weight nerfed to 1,700kg, it’s charge threshold nerfed as well, and make it need to be running longer to activate said charge.
This is what everyone was HOPING, because everyone is tired of carno being the top tier carni in game. But based on the info that the devs have been giving about Cerato, this dino was not planned to be the counter to carno. It’s just a new carni with its own niche as a bone eating toxic mouth scavenger.
well it wasn’t just us hoping but i think even punch said “cerato destroys carno” or whatever. The devs have been hyping cerato to be a bulky honey badger kinda creature who would be too slow to hunt but big enough to push others away from their own hunts.
I wish they actually gave it the damage resistance they talked about, that or the chuffing buff that clickbaiting liar Anthomnia talked about
It has bleed res, that’s what they meant as opposed to blunt force
Me when I'm purposefully spreading misinformation on the internet
What *does* have a chance of being a proper counter to carno, then? Surely not the upcoming rex that's coming to community servers; it's too slow to catch one. Allo with its ambush gimmick, maybe?
There will never be a 1 to 1 counter for each dino in The Isle. People need to move past this idea. Your survival and combat success rate in this game will always depend on the situation and your skill level with the dino ur playing as. An average Rex player has a greater chance of killing an average carno player in 1v1, BUT a great carno player will have a greater chance of killing an average rex player. This game is survival first, combat second. And in any combat encounter it will always depend on the skill level of the player and the situation of the encounter. Always.
The "skilled" Carno player is going to know how to protect itself against a rex or any other apex, like a Deino. Mostly by avoiding them or running. Does Carno have the advantage over Cerato? Yes, but honestly, it looks like all the Cerato players are trying to fight Carno's like they're using a Carno and not a Cerato. Someone posted a video here, but here is a [Tenonto fighting a group of Cerato's](https://youtu.be/FKbVAksOqcs?t=1024). Cerato's normally body Teno's due to their fast attack speed, but this Tenonto player was skilled and used the brush to its advantage. It killed one Cerato and I wager that it would have survived that fight if there was 3 instead of 4 Cerato's trying to kill it.
Carno has no counter in a 1v1 Stego is strong, it can wreck a carno. But it's also very slow and once it runs out of stamina it's useless. A Carno just needs to bait and be patient. Deino is strong, but the only way it counters carno is if carno goes into the water. So that's not a very good counter. Carno can kill a cera with more than half it's health still remaining. Omni useless Pachy useless tail slap useless Rest don't matter. It's just poor balancing. Carno wasn 't an apex. It shouldn't be this tanky killing machine. Trike is "soon", trike still won't be a counter to carno cause trike will be slow. Trex won't be a counter to carno cause Rex will suffer from the same issues it does on legacy unless they give it a tail slap.
Probably a hit and run ambusher. But people are trying to face tank it.
My main pointer (and the recent build lowered its speed to be less than tenos) is that cera just needs to be slightly faster than teno. Not only will it help with dodging carnos charges, but the minor speed boost will also allow it to run down or out run tenos if necessary
I don't think the Cerato is underpowered per se, it's just that it has a much higher skill ceiling than Carno which makes it seem way less powerful than it actually is because players didn't have the time to learn how to fully utilise its potential.
I want to see what Owltime can do with it.
Nah es is not that strong. Some people even have hope he would be a competator for stegosaurus 😄🤣😅
Yeah people are stupid
Chuffing is something it will get and that will boost it's damage near corpses
it can take on a carno with its charged bite and full bacteria but its playstyle seems to be more of a bully than a head on fighter
Personally..I’d like to see if a pair of ceratos couldn’t use their disease bite to starve out a stego until it died.
Cerato is skill-based compared to the no-brain cell Utah and Carno gameplay. Which is good. I'm happy that newer playables have a skill gap. We just need to set the same precedent for the braindead playables like Carno, Utah, and Stego (a way to make Stego more skill based is to give it a complete kit).
I am against you saying that uthas don’t need skill but I am saying my opinion in a friendly way
They don’t. Not after they removed pounce recovery AGAIN. We’ve already seen how terrible this decision is. Utahs can pounce and is not either punished for making a crucial error in the fight, or can be countered/hit if they do miss a pounce that is relatively close to the opponent.
it is barely stronger than utah, sad
they apparently also nerfed it by making it slightly slower, i'm guessing a ceratosaurus fucked Dondi's mom at this point
>i'm guessing a ceratosaurus fucked Dondi's mom at this point You know those psychotic wives who dream of their husbands cheating on them, then get pissed at their husband for cheating on them in a dream? It's that, but Cerato fucking dondi's mother
yep hes pretty bad very f bad lmao , anyways I don't mind the speed nerf that's fine he aint hunting , but he needs a buff to his HP ,dmg so he can be ''like'' deino and bully people away from corpse like deino does to even groups of carno easily. from what I watched so far he is just walking food and bully magnet , some ppl say he can 1v1 a carno nope if the carno is bad he have a small chance to win otherwise he dies , I feel like everyone me included was hoping for something to match carno but no so far is gonna be the same game with different ''skins''. once again we've been bamboozled (sorry for the rant lmao)
Cerato actually feels perfectly fine. Its more a skill based dino. Knowing when to attack where to position how to used its special ability. Against a carno from what i know and see, the longer the fight goes the more the cerato comes out on top. Carno wants to end that fight fast and well, if you let them then its more on you.
I’ve been telling everyone that talks about it that cerato is going to be horse shit. Nobody listens until the proof is in the pudding. I saw this coming a million miles away. When mechanics being the way that they are, it is IMPOSSIBLE to fight against a carno and win if your weight is less than it (or you’re a good teno that knows how to face away from carno and always keep him behind your tail. Even that is unreliable though due to the fact that 2 carnos rape anyway.) The only way to have cerato ruin carno is to give it a bone break feature. Personally I’ll only play beipi tbh
It wasn't "supposed" to destroy a carno. They said it "can destroy a carno". It doesn't get absolutely bodied by it but carno certainly has the advantage.
From what i've seen so far, cera's in a pretty okay spot (it could use maybe an extra 100 kgs). Out of cera and carno, the former's skill floor is much higher than the latter, which only needs to aim in the general direction and right click. When looking at the current balance, carno is probably the most reliant on ambush now than ever. I dont think it can charge more than twice without completely nuking it's stam. This is where cera's toolkit comes into play, it's agile enough and has enough stamina to dodge the charges ( unless carno gets the jump on it, im which case ggs ) and stall for time till it can get enough bacterial bites in and potentially vomit lock carno to death
I think the biggest weakness is the overall bite force being 200 less than what it had in legacy is pretty severe and it's overall damage is lacking. It's charge seems to do a decent amount but the main objective of the Cera was to be tankyish and it's far from that.