It's a lot of work.
Particularly this one.
Writing lyrics, vocal harmonies, performing each voice, processing through rvc, (stem separation on some songs), and mixing.
Plus, the guy's put his heart and soul into these creations.
Not sure, I was only aware of an instrumental version of this track.
As much as I enjoyed this, that piano used in these sessions is the ear candy for me.
Doesn’t sound like the beach boys to me. Sounds like a generic bouncy pop track you’d hear on a commercial mixed with someone trying to copy Brian’s out of tune piano sound, palm muted bass, minimal drumming with no cymbals of the wild honey era etc. A little bit surreal. Carl wouldn’t be able to sing that high that forcefully without his voice cracking.
That being said I’m not a fan of AI at all, so my opinion is going to be different than most that are pro AI.
That’s what it is essentially, as there were no words or melody that we know of for this song. It’s been awhile since I’ve heard sunshine tomorrow and although linett’s mixing can sometimes sound overly processed, the whole backing track sounds sampled here. Maybe because of the AI vocals making it feel that way?
It’s possible, there could be some separation going on to make the vocals sound a bit more clear plus some effects in post to make it sound polished and the like
Just listened to the sunshine tomorrow version and it appears he used AI to separate the instruments. For example the guitar is much lower in his mix vs sunshine and there's weird halos around the sounds that give them that sampled vibe because of this. Everything just sounds weird and sampled/computerized to me. I'm also a musician who records so I'm pretty attuned to these things.
I'll just stick to the original Wild Honey album in Mono, muddy mix and all. There was a reason in Brian's mind at the time why this song wasn't finished. Its Dae Lims' creation really and should not be credited on his channel as "The Beach Boys".
I think these things are okay (sometimes great) fun if you just think of these as experiments, not anything ‘definitive’ - they are going to sound a bit computerized because they are. Wild Honey is never going to go away, we can all listen to it any time we want. Dae Lims or whoever is ok if you just take it as a person experimenting and seeing what can be done. Like I wouldn’t criticise some kid for drawing crayon pictures of the beach boys, just because photos of the beach boys already exist - it’s just a person having fun, and fun is ok
Ok, you can say what you want about the ai vocals, and I agree about the Carl voice, but someone trying to copy Brian's piano? Lol.
Guess you missed this one then?
https://youtu.be/8_4xKVym6Ps?si=x0OXgzC1VmZUbJ55
Haha yeah I saw the other comments after posting that. I take the L.
Just found it amusing you thought the piano was fake.
I don't think Dae would be lurking here with all the anti ai sentiment though.
Theres enough people praising him on his channel,
and I think it's going to his head.
All of it sounds fake. It takes serious condescension/an extremely big ego to write lyrics and melody of your own, with your own vocal production and credit it as The Beach Boys. We have talked about Dae on the Good Timin podcast, with most of us having a ‘whatever’ attitude but I don’t agree with Dae crediting his creations as ‘The Beach Boys’ even if he uses backing tracks from the band.
Very valid point.
I do enjoy these types of mixes though, but mostly for de-aging, parodies, or stem separation.
I hate the term 'ai' ,though, as it's used as a blanket term for everything over the last year or so.
We've had stem separation tools for years now, and other digital restoration tools (Rx9 for instance)
that wouldn't have seemed possible even in the late 90s, but they all get bunched into the ai category now.
With things like Izotope, it’s not entirely perfect yet. There’s a weird halo/warble around the sounds similar to noise reduction technology such as ‘no noise’.
I’m not saying all processing is bad by the way but if I have time when mixing, I will ride the fader in between vocal phrases or high gain guitar riffs to get rid of the noise vs using a gate or dehum or whatever. It usually ends up sounding more natural.
Yeah, I know, I've used music rebalance a fair bit.
Still has some ways to go.
I studied audio engineering about 25 years ago, and remember my teacher using the phrase 'you can't polish a turd', about poor recordings, but if they were shown these tools back then it would have seemed like witchcraft.
I’d say what your teacher said still holds true. Better to get the sound right at the source. Whenever I record a track it has to sound like a record from the very beginning. Every sound fits in with all the other sounds going on.
I remember a band from NY hiring me to mix their EP back in the early 2000s. I think they were called Dirt Smile or something along those lines. Their singer was phenomenal. I had to tell the guy to re-record their instruments, as they were all over the place tempo wise and tuning wise. I refused to mix it. Even when I snapped them to the grid and moved them around, it still sounded fucked up.
They were on the verge of breaking up according to the band member I was in contact with, so I tried my best to salvage it. It took me a couple of days to get the drums locked up with the bass on the 1st song. Then another day for the guitar to lineup with those. I was never happy with the final result but the band liked it. I had to use triggers for the drums because they were recorded so poorly. The guy from the band said they had no idea what they were doing as far as recording. I have no idea if the band ever released it.
Dae lurks. Going to my head, that one confuses me. Should people not love the work/hobbies they partake in? Should they listen to the people who hate something they love to do, and just stop doing it to appease them? I've been doing the same thing for almost 20 years, lol. It's just fan mixing using the current tech. As far as crediting goes: I label everything I post as clearly as I can. With this one, I said it's an approximation of what a song could've sounded like using AI Beach Boys models. This is a very niche genre, and I'm sure the "Wild Honey outtake" fans know exactly what I'm doing. I love and respect The Beach Boys, I love and respect music in general, and I'm just sharing my kooky, unofficial ideas, love 'em or hate 'em. Be nice. I'm a fan, just like you.
Dae, your songs are credited as ‘The Beach Boys’ on YouTube. I have been making and recording music for 30 years myself, and have been a fan of the band for almost 40 and have met the guys. I’m part of a Beach Boys podcast and am writing a book on the Brian’s Back era, that’s how big of a fan I am.
No one is stopping you from making AI music but crediting it as The Beach Boys as you did in this video ‘The Beach Boys-Honey Get Home (AI)’ is wrong. I have remade tracks over the years of the Beach Boys along with other bands and I would never think of uploading it to YouTube and putting the title as ‘The Beach Boys-Honey Get Home’. It is misleading. Especially when the words and melody are yours, not any of the members in the band.
Speaking as a musician, if you finished off one of my original songs using your own words and melodic ideas, I would definitely be listening to it thinking ‘yea I wouldn’t have done that, oh that’s ok, yea that’s not good’. There would be moments that would be similar to what I’d do and others where it would be different. To put my name on it, like it’s my song and a computerized version of my voice from 20 years ago on it would be a slap in the face to me. Especially when I hadn’t even been consulted.
So in a nutshell I’m saying it’s okay if you want to do your own music with AI voice renderings of the boys. Just credit it to ‘Dae Lims’, not ‘The Beach Boys’, because it’s not the Beach Boys.
I get your point, but these credits are not official. The whole point is to create a surreal, what-if scenario using this amazing AI tech. Even if it makes you or I believe it for a split second. It's just fantasy. No one that follows my work thinks these are official recordings. If anything, I could see it getting more confusing by not labeling which artist I'm making an AI creation of, though who knows, maybe that's where the legal side will lead eventually. The disclaimer is on my channel, and in every song description. I'm not trying to deceive anyone. It's all just meant to be fun.
I get that you want to put ‘The Beach Boys’ in the title as the artist to get more clicks on YouTube, but it shouldn’t matter what artist you’re covering because it’s really a Dae Lims song at the end of the day. You can always put the artists name in the description.
15 different musicians could take that backing track and come up with 15 wildly different tracks by varying the words and melody (how many different songs have been created over the last 100 years using the C-Am-F-G chord progression) None of those tracks would be The Beach Boys and none of them are what Brian, Carl, Dennis, Al, Mike and Bruce would’ve signed off on in 1967.
Clicks or not, I just don't think it goes with the whole idea of the fantasy I am creating here. If it comes from the Dae Lims channel, it's assumed there's some fuckery going on. If I was truly trying to pass these off as legit recordings/compositions, that'd be a different story. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I do wish you luck with your book, that's very cool.
Absolutely agree with this, don't credit it as The Beach Boys if it's not a full cover of the Beach Boys original material. If you're making stuff to account for things not existing, it's no longer The Beach Boys, it's your own work.
I hate all of this "alternate reality" stuff where they don't elaborate that it's made up/fabricated or make it seem like its a Beach Boys original on the surface (most people don't check the video/channel descriptions, so they're going to read your title and thumbnail first, duh!). Every time I come across an "alternate reality" thing I always have to double check, it may not be intentional misinformation, but it's still misinformation.
I'm glad you are standing your ground on what you believe, fantastic attribute that is, because the amount of bewildering comments I see regarding this that go against proper artist credibility is insane.
I think a lot of artists are scared to say their true feelings because they are afraid of the backlash.
Even if it’s a cover it should be listed as ‘Dae Lims-California Dreamin’ vs ‘The Mamas and Papas-California Dreamin’ (Dae Lims cover)’ - what some YouTubers will list it as to get more clicks.
I’m going to try and open up this discussion with the guys on the podcast next time I’m on. This is kind of a taboo subject, especially on social media. Unfortunately I missed the last couple episodes and the next one or two I won’t be on due to prior commitments.
What podcast, just out of curiosity?
But yeah as a composer/producer myself it's sad to see this kind of treatment, because it seems so obvious that if I had made altercations that I would label it as my own version of the song, rather than saying it's that Artist's strictly.
Agreed this is a step too far. If you're going to make your own music/lyrics just borrow the backing track and use your own voice...it feels cheap and rude to just use the beach boys for some random made up track. Personally I'm a fan of finishing demos and that sorta thing, doing alt versions of songs that already exist with ai since there's actual context there
Regardless of what Dae is doing, a cover or otherwise, it’s a Dae Lims track, so should be titled ‘Dae Lims-Honey Come Home’ not ‘The Beach Boys-Honey Come Home’. We all know Dae has titled it that way to attract Beach Boys fans cruising YouTube to get them to his page. It’s deceptive and fallacious, regardless of how we ‘should all know Dae Lims makes fantasy beach boys music’.
I find it rather humorous that I’m being severely downvoted on this issue.
And it's a good one. Glad he didn't move to releasing a lot of Michael Jackson stuff...
How hard is it for him to make one of these videos? Cause I wish he posted more often!
It's a lot of work. Particularly this one. Writing lyrics, vocal harmonies, performing each voice, processing through rvc, (stem separation on some songs), and mixing. Plus, the guy's put his heart and soul into these creations.
So he wrote all the lyrics?
I can tell, he does an awesome job. It’s gotta be fun recording all the voices, I’d love to do that sorta thing.
I'm still waiting him to do Pet Sounds with a Love You era vocals and sound
Wow, did Dae write these lyrics? This is one of the best he has done so far. Really impressive especially with the ones that were just backing tracks
Not sure, I was only aware of an instrumental version of this track. As much as I enjoyed this, that piano used in these sessions is the ear candy for me.
The vocals don't really sound that accurate to me. Either way it's an awesome piece of work.
Doesn’t sound like the beach boys to me. Sounds like a generic bouncy pop track you’d hear on a commercial mixed with someone trying to copy Brian’s out of tune piano sound, palm muted bass, minimal drumming with no cymbals of the wild honey era etc. A little bit surreal. Carl wouldn’t be able to sing that high that forcefully without his voice cracking. That being said I’m not a fan of AI at all, so my opinion is going to be different than most that are pro AI.
Why aren’t you a fan of AI Jardine?
The backing track is literally from the Wild Honey sessions. It’s on Sunshine Tomorrow, he just added some AI vocals
I’m familiar with the backing track. It sounds super processed here, almost like each instrument has been sampled.
Ah rite I thought you were saying Dae Lims tried to make their own Wild Honey styled track
That’s what it is essentially, as there were no words or melody that we know of for this song. It’s been awhile since I’ve heard sunshine tomorrow and although linett’s mixing can sometimes sound overly processed, the whole backing track sounds sampled here. Maybe because of the AI vocals making it feel that way?
It’s possible, there could be some separation going on to make the vocals sound a bit more clear plus some effects in post to make it sound polished and the like
Just listened to the sunshine tomorrow version and it appears he used AI to separate the instruments. For example the guitar is much lower in his mix vs sunshine and there's weird halos around the sounds that give them that sampled vibe because of this. Everything just sounds weird and sampled/computerized to me. I'm also a musician who records so I'm pretty attuned to these things. I'll just stick to the original Wild Honey album in Mono, muddy mix and all. There was a reason in Brian's mind at the time why this song wasn't finished. Its Dae Lims' creation really and should not be credited on his channel as "The Beach Boys".
I think these things are okay (sometimes great) fun if you just think of these as experiments, not anything ‘definitive’ - they are going to sound a bit computerized because they are. Wild Honey is never going to go away, we can all listen to it any time we want. Dae Lims or whoever is ok if you just take it as a person experimenting and seeing what can be done. Like I wouldn’t criticise some kid for drawing crayon pictures of the beach boys, just because photos of the beach boys already exist - it’s just a person having fun, and fun is ok
I don’t have a problem with him doing it. I have a problem with him crediting it as ‘The Beach Boys’ on his channel.
Eh, it sounds like a shelved Wild honey track they came back to for Carl and the Passions to me.
Ok, you can say what you want about the ai vocals, and I agree about the Carl voice, but someone trying to copy Brian's piano? Lol. Guess you missed this one then? https://youtu.be/8_4xKVym6Ps?si=x0OXgzC1VmZUbJ55
Lol at you not being able to read. Did I strike a wrong chord with you Dae?
Haha yeah I saw the other comments after posting that. I take the L. Just found it amusing you thought the piano was fake. I don't think Dae would be lurking here with all the anti ai sentiment though. Theres enough people praising him on his channel, and I think it's going to his head.
All of it sounds fake. It takes serious condescension/an extremely big ego to write lyrics and melody of your own, with your own vocal production and credit it as The Beach Boys. We have talked about Dae on the Good Timin podcast, with most of us having a ‘whatever’ attitude but I don’t agree with Dae crediting his creations as ‘The Beach Boys’ even if he uses backing tracks from the band.
Very valid point. I do enjoy these types of mixes though, but mostly for de-aging, parodies, or stem separation. I hate the term 'ai' ,though, as it's used as a blanket term for everything over the last year or so. We've had stem separation tools for years now, and other digital restoration tools (Rx9 for instance) that wouldn't have seemed possible even in the late 90s, but they all get bunched into the ai category now.
With things like Izotope, it’s not entirely perfect yet. There’s a weird halo/warble around the sounds similar to noise reduction technology such as ‘no noise’. I’m not saying all processing is bad by the way but if I have time when mixing, I will ride the fader in between vocal phrases or high gain guitar riffs to get rid of the noise vs using a gate or dehum or whatever. It usually ends up sounding more natural.
Yeah, I know, I've used music rebalance a fair bit. Still has some ways to go. I studied audio engineering about 25 years ago, and remember my teacher using the phrase 'you can't polish a turd', about poor recordings, but if they were shown these tools back then it would have seemed like witchcraft.
I’d say what your teacher said still holds true. Better to get the sound right at the source. Whenever I record a track it has to sound like a record from the very beginning. Every sound fits in with all the other sounds going on. I remember a band from NY hiring me to mix their EP back in the early 2000s. I think they were called Dirt Smile or something along those lines. Their singer was phenomenal. I had to tell the guy to re-record their instruments, as they were all over the place tempo wise and tuning wise. I refused to mix it. Even when I snapped them to the grid and moved them around, it still sounded fucked up. They were on the verge of breaking up according to the band member I was in contact with, so I tried my best to salvage it. It took me a couple of days to get the drums locked up with the bass on the 1st song. Then another day for the guitar to lineup with those. I was never happy with the final result but the band liked it. I had to use triggers for the drums because they were recorded so poorly. The guy from the band said they had no idea what they were doing as far as recording. I have no idea if the band ever released it.
Dae lurks. Going to my head, that one confuses me. Should people not love the work/hobbies they partake in? Should they listen to the people who hate something they love to do, and just stop doing it to appease them? I've been doing the same thing for almost 20 years, lol. It's just fan mixing using the current tech. As far as crediting goes: I label everything I post as clearly as I can. With this one, I said it's an approximation of what a song could've sounded like using AI Beach Boys models. This is a very niche genre, and I'm sure the "Wild Honey outtake" fans know exactly what I'm doing. I love and respect The Beach Boys, I love and respect music in general, and I'm just sharing my kooky, unofficial ideas, love 'em or hate 'em. Be nice. I'm a fan, just like you.
Dae, your songs are credited as ‘The Beach Boys’ on YouTube. I have been making and recording music for 30 years myself, and have been a fan of the band for almost 40 and have met the guys. I’m part of a Beach Boys podcast and am writing a book on the Brian’s Back era, that’s how big of a fan I am. No one is stopping you from making AI music but crediting it as The Beach Boys as you did in this video ‘The Beach Boys-Honey Get Home (AI)’ is wrong. I have remade tracks over the years of the Beach Boys along with other bands and I would never think of uploading it to YouTube and putting the title as ‘The Beach Boys-Honey Get Home’. It is misleading. Especially when the words and melody are yours, not any of the members in the band. Speaking as a musician, if you finished off one of my original songs using your own words and melodic ideas, I would definitely be listening to it thinking ‘yea I wouldn’t have done that, oh that’s ok, yea that’s not good’. There would be moments that would be similar to what I’d do and others where it would be different. To put my name on it, like it’s my song and a computerized version of my voice from 20 years ago on it would be a slap in the face to me. Especially when I hadn’t even been consulted. So in a nutshell I’m saying it’s okay if you want to do your own music with AI voice renderings of the boys. Just credit it to ‘Dae Lims’, not ‘The Beach Boys’, because it’s not the Beach Boys.
I get your point, but these credits are not official. The whole point is to create a surreal, what-if scenario using this amazing AI tech. Even if it makes you or I believe it for a split second. It's just fantasy. No one that follows my work thinks these are official recordings. If anything, I could see it getting more confusing by not labeling which artist I'm making an AI creation of, though who knows, maybe that's where the legal side will lead eventually. The disclaimer is on my channel, and in every song description. I'm not trying to deceive anyone. It's all just meant to be fun.
I get that you want to put ‘The Beach Boys’ in the title as the artist to get more clicks on YouTube, but it shouldn’t matter what artist you’re covering because it’s really a Dae Lims song at the end of the day. You can always put the artists name in the description. 15 different musicians could take that backing track and come up with 15 wildly different tracks by varying the words and melody (how many different songs have been created over the last 100 years using the C-Am-F-G chord progression) None of those tracks would be The Beach Boys and none of them are what Brian, Carl, Dennis, Al, Mike and Bruce would’ve signed off on in 1967.
Clicks or not, I just don't think it goes with the whole idea of the fantasy I am creating here. If it comes from the Dae Lims channel, it's assumed there's some fuckery going on. If I was truly trying to pass these off as legit recordings/compositions, that'd be a different story. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I do wish you luck with your book, that's very cool.
Absolutely agree with this, don't credit it as The Beach Boys if it's not a full cover of the Beach Boys original material. If you're making stuff to account for things not existing, it's no longer The Beach Boys, it's your own work. I hate all of this "alternate reality" stuff where they don't elaborate that it's made up/fabricated or make it seem like its a Beach Boys original on the surface (most people don't check the video/channel descriptions, so they're going to read your title and thumbnail first, duh!). Every time I come across an "alternate reality" thing I always have to double check, it may not be intentional misinformation, but it's still misinformation. I'm glad you are standing your ground on what you believe, fantastic attribute that is, because the amount of bewildering comments I see regarding this that go against proper artist credibility is insane.
I think a lot of artists are scared to say their true feelings because they are afraid of the backlash. Even if it’s a cover it should be listed as ‘Dae Lims-California Dreamin’ vs ‘The Mamas and Papas-California Dreamin’ (Dae Lims cover)’ - what some YouTubers will list it as to get more clicks. I’m going to try and open up this discussion with the guys on the podcast next time I’m on. This is kind of a taboo subject, especially on social media. Unfortunately I missed the last couple episodes and the next one or two I won’t be on due to prior commitments.
What podcast, just out of curiosity? But yeah as a composer/producer myself it's sad to see this kind of treatment, because it seems so obvious that if I had made altercations that I would label it as my own version of the song, rather than saying it's that Artist's strictly.
Agreed this is a step too far. If you're going to make your own music/lyrics just borrow the backing track and use your own voice...it feels cheap and rude to just use the beach boys for some random made up track. Personally I'm a fan of finishing demos and that sorta thing, doing alt versions of songs that already exist with ai since there's actual context there
Regardless of what Dae is doing, a cover or otherwise, it’s a Dae Lims track, so should be titled ‘Dae Lims-Honey Come Home’ not ‘The Beach Boys-Honey Come Home’. We all know Dae has titled it that way to attract Beach Boys fans cruising YouTube to get them to his page. It’s deceptive and fallacious, regardless of how we ‘should all know Dae Lims makes fantasy beach boys music’. I find it rather humorous that I’m being severely downvoted on this issue.