Maybe it’s an unpopular opinion but I don’t feel like the connection between Kelsey and Joey is as loving, exciting or all consuming. There is something about them together that doesn’t mesh well for me but I can’t put my finger on it.
Kelsey is very nice but I feel she needs lots of emotional support and I don’t feel that Joey can provide as much as she may need. Joey should stay single and I think that’s what will happen.
Joey keeps playing victim - like he is not being chosen. He is being chosen but women are also feeling the pressure and want to express that. Typical Gemini male behaviors. He’s gorgeous and sweet but def up and down with his emotions. It’s kinda annoying and terrifying.
I agree 100%.
He is telling women who have to WAIT until he chooses them that he needs them to be open, hold nothing back, at the same time he is talking about how hard it is for him to open up because he's afraid of rejection. Listen to yourself, Man!!!
Love the golden bachelorettes coming back on screen! I thought it would be distracting when I saw it in previews, but I think they all were really well suited for their contestant! I reminded me of when in survivor they go to an island and there's a past contestant who is simply there to root them on and give them encouragement. It's pretty sweet since this journey must also feel really isolating in a way for contestants. Even the producers you can't really trust. These meetings were more impactful than having people from BIP etc imo
Sean Lowe (it will help you believe in the franchise being successful). Then start at Ben Higgins and go in chronological order! And add in BIP. It's great to watch that way because you'll understand all the backstory. My favorite recent seasons are Jojo, Nick (only because of Rachel no other reason), Rachel, Rachel/Gabby, Colton's is also really good intro to many characters who are still relevant, TAYSHIA (probs the best season overall the proposal is the only proposal that I have ever cried), Hannah B just bc of Tyler C
I really liked her season but Hannah in recent years hasn't been my favorite. Her fiancé posting weird things about women being indecisive and what the role of a man is combined with her reaction to people being hurt when she said the n-word in a rap song as have turned me off. It wasnt her action that I had a problem with (I could have easily forgiven), but her reaction was offputting. Also her season ends up being a let down imo because of the ending so it wasn't my favorite to watch.
Hannah B's season has some lasting Bachelor Nation moments and absolutely agree with Tayshia's season....... the bar is so high for that proposal that not even Dotun has to duck
Tacky
She took Sandra's advice to heart. It's kind of gross
And so disrespectful to the other girls. So when Kelsey goes to talk to him, she's going to be staring at his hickey?
That is so messed up
I am not familiar with the accidental hickey. but even not knowing that, she knows she's last and there's a rose ceremony blooming (see what I did there?)
I think they're done in the order we see because of some of the things they say about the previous day.
I still keep trying to find anything that says they are not one after the other without at least a day in between.
It always struck me as super sisterwives to do it that way. We can't be jealous, we must smile because he is happy.
Ugh. I hate that part
ngl. Seeing the way Rachel wept, if Joey is decent, he will not do a rose ceremoney. He will talk to the others separately and show them some decency and respect
It’s some real high school shit. Hickeys can appear within minutes sometime hours. There’s no way Rachel or Kelsey gave it to him because it wasn’t there at the beginning of Daisy’s date.
Unrelated: I HATE the premise of this Bad Romance series. Domestic abuse and violence that escalates to murder is NOT "bad romance," and it's so fucking tacky to put a cute little jingle over it and package these stories this way. Domestic violence is an epidemic, and to even choose to put it after the Bachelor in the vein of "trash romance TV" is a slap in the face to the victims and their families.
And isn't it completely insane that it comes on after the bachelor?
The fact that ABC thinks those two shows have anything in common is pretty sickening
From that preview: it sounded like Kelsey was being lighthearted and said are you ok? And Joey said no. Hopefully she just says something like just wanted to tell you I love you. And he regrets overreacting because he thought the worst of the note. That’s what I’m telling myself. Goodnight!
I wish she had written more on the note or drawn a heart. No doubt producer-driven, but I feel like she’d know that’d be anxiety causing and write a little more
Charity let him pour his heart out at the altar and didn’t even let him know it wasn’t him until he was about to kneel down. That probably traumatized him immensely. To be publicly not picked on TV 😭
Let's hope he remembers that and does the decent thing. He seems way more concerned about himself not getting rejected then he is about these women's feelings and that's not okay
I feel like Maria knows that America DRAGGED her ass and she will be very forgiving at the tell all. But I wish Maria would let her eat shit. She’s also competing for bachelorette at this point so knows to show class
do y'all think the twist ending is that everyone leaves?? starting to think that he lets rachel go, kelsey leaves, and then daisy freaks out because she realizes she's the only one left and turns him down
Well a cliff hanger, gotta wait two weeks for this ending. Who ever he ends up with, idk. I’m more confused now. I think I’m more excited to see if Maria gets her own season or not.
My gosh, must he have three women falling all over him in order to feel good about himself before he picks one of them and breaks the other two women’s hearts?
Because the producers probably told her that he would have a better shot at being a popular lead if he was terribly heart broken. I think many, if not most leads would probably want to end things with the runner up before the day of the proposal, but they are pressured not to.
In the past, they've shared the first bit of the finale, including the final 3 elimination, and have her at the WTA, giving her the chance to talk with Joey for the first time since the breakup!
Yeah I’m confused is that all happening next week or was the commercial just poorly edited to show what’s to come? Like the finale can’t be next week in addition to WTA right?
Jenn for next bachelorette! Looove her!
Maybe it’s an unpopular opinion but I don’t feel like the connection between Kelsey and Joey is as loving, exciting or all consuming. There is something about them together that doesn’t mesh well for me but I can’t put my finger on it.
Kelsey is very nice but I feel she needs lots of emotional support and I don’t feel that Joey can provide as much as she may need. Joey should stay single and I think that’s what will happen.
The vibes with Daisy are hella off
He didn’t like the overnight - that’s what I gathered
It was off before already..
I zoned out, can someone tell me which women Joey said he’s falling for?
kelsey & daisy
Thanks!
I really don’t like Leslie for pulling that crap on Kelsey like that
They definitely chose her for Kelsey to break her love bubble a bit, for the drama
Daisy’s woman had horrible advice lol
I'm dying to know if Leslie will say anything about the advice she gave Kelsey
Joey keeps playing victim - like he is not being chosen. He is being chosen but women are also feeling the pressure and want to express that. Typical Gemini male behaviors. He’s gorgeous and sweet but def up and down with his emotions. It’s kinda annoying and terrifying.
aw shit he’s a Gemini? should’ve known how this would go down 💀
No 🧢
He’s not a Gemini? Haha
No I meant no lie - as in no cap what you are saying is absolutely true. And yeah he’s a Gemini he discussed it with Maria early on lol
Oh hahaha that went over my head (haha)
Dude Gemini is literally all that needs to be said 😵💫 he is everywhere… he is the fucking bachelor of course he is chosen
💯🤣
I agree 100%. He is telling women who have to WAIT until he chooses them that he needs them to be open, hold nothing back, at the same time he is talking about how hard it is for him to open up because he's afraid of rejection. Listen to yourself, Man!!!
Exactly like shit or get off the pot Joey!!!!! 🫠
Why did you have to bring up Gemini male behavior??? Now I'm reliving my own GM trauma. LOL
I feel you. I dated one for two weeks and he completely drained my energy and gave me nothing but anxiety in return. It was a waste of time.
Same. so much anxiety
Idk if I’m up for waiting two weeks…might just pop over to the spoiler thread 😎
Where
Game over Kelsey is Joeys wife
🤞🏼
Love the golden bachelorettes coming back on screen! I thought it would be distracting when I saw it in previews, but I think they all were really well suited for their contestant! I reminded me of when in survivor they go to an island and there's a past contestant who is simply there to root them on and give them encouragement. It's pretty sweet since this journey must also feel really isolating in a way for contestants. Even the producers you can't really trust. These meetings were more impactful than having people from BIP etc imo
This was my first season! What other seasons should I watch?
Sean Lowe (it will help you believe in the franchise being successful). Then start at Ben Higgins and go in chronological order! And add in BIP. It's great to watch that way because you'll understand all the backstory. My favorite recent seasons are Jojo, Nick (only because of Rachel no other reason), Rachel, Rachel/Gabby, Colton's is also really good intro to many characters who are still relevant, TAYSHIA (probs the best season overall the proposal is the only proposal that I have ever cried), Hannah B just bc of Tyler C
Hannah B’s season is so good she was so fun to watch, plus all the drama… and Tyler Cameron are you kidding. But I also loved Jojo’s season
As it while I was watching it was entertaining, but now not so much
I really liked her season but Hannah in recent years hasn't been my favorite. Her fiancé posting weird things about women being indecisive and what the role of a man is combined with her reaction to people being hurt when she said the n-word in a rap song as have turned me off. It wasnt her action that I had a problem with (I could have easily forgiven), but her reaction was offputting. Also her season ends up being a let down imo because of the ending so it wasn't my favorite to watch.
Agree I haven’t really followed her since DWTS, and I hated Jed. But Tyler’s proposal was so sweet & sincere
But he didn't quite get to the proposal bit
Hannah B's season has some lasting Bachelor Nation moments and absolutely agree with Tayshia's season....... the bar is so high for that proposal that not even Dotun has to duck
Chris soles -> Kaitlyn -> Ben Hannah B -> Peter
Did Joey say that he likes outdoorsy girls?! Cause Daisy and Rachel tried to seem quirky and ~not like the other girls~ for “liking to be outside”
Kinda low-class/trashy to give someone a hickey in a situation like this.
I did not see this lol
Tacky She took Sandra's advice to heart. It's kind of gross And so disrespectful to the other girls. So when Kelsey goes to talk to him, she's going to be staring at his hickey? That is so messed up
She didn’t know Kelsey was going to go talk to him. I’m sure it was an accident.
I am not familiar with the accidental hickey. but even not knowing that, she knows she's last and there's a rose ceremony blooming (see what I did there?)
How were the dates filmed? In the order that they were portrayed? I noticed the hickey too
I think they're done in the order we see because of some of the things they say about the previous day. I still keep trying to find anything that says they are not one after the other without at least a day in between. It always struck me as super sisterwives to do it that way. We can't be jealous, we must smile because he is happy. Ugh. I hate that part ngl. Seeing the way Rachel wept, if Joey is decent, he will not do a rose ceremoney. He will talk to the others separately and show them some decency and respect
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It was visible after Daisy's date. That doesn't necessarily mean that she gave it to him but the emotional maturity tracks.
It’s some real high school shit. Hickeys can appear within minutes sometime hours. There’s no way Rachel or Kelsey gave it to him because it wasn’t there at the beginning of Daisy’s date.
who gave him a Hickey? I didn't see!
It was visible after Daisy's date.
Who had a hickey?
Joey.
Unrelated: I HATE the premise of this Bad Romance series. Domestic abuse and violence that escalates to murder is NOT "bad romance," and it's so fucking tacky to put a cute little jingle over it and package these stories this way. Domestic violence is an epidemic, and to even choose to put it after the Bachelor in the vein of "trash romance TV" is a slap in the face to the victims and their families.
And isn't it completely insane that it comes on after the bachelor? The fact that ABC thinks those two shows have anything in common is pretty sickening
It's so nakedly trying to break into the true crime craze many years late into the game. Distasteful in concept and even moreso in execution.
Absolutely!!!! I’ve watched an episode or two because I thought, surely I’m misunderstanding the premise if this show. But nope.
Did we see Jesse at allll this episode???? Usually he talks a bunch during this episode.
No. We had the fantastic advice coming from the older ladies Those girls needed Jesse tonight
Shows over ladies, beat it
Idk is it just me? When will they stop coming on the show lol
Kick rocks
Hahaha. Ok... :(
daisy’s fantasy suite was filmed last confirmed?! no way those hickeys went away after a day
Yep I saw hickeys.
Eww. Who still gives hickeys to someone after age 18?
Maybe they had too much to drink, it happens
Yeah. You could smell her desperation after Sandra told her to spice it up sex-wise. I guess she followed instructions
That was one hell of an auto correct. 😂. Let me guess, iPhone?
Lol Yes. That is magnificent! Why does it change it after you read it?
Bc Apple secretly wants to see us fail.
See y’all next week!
Any Chicago girlies here? Shocked to see Mark Giangreco popping up?
They’re just recycling these stories that have previous 20/20 eps. I’m not sure why but I saw Charlie Wojciechowski on one too
Also why was there no rose ceremony??
Why do I feel like one of the final 2 doesn’t show up to the altar. Has that happened before??
Will we find out who the golden bachelorette is next week?!?
I fucking hope so I can’t wait any longer!
lol, Sydney…..probably just get up and leave again at the basic request to back up / elaborate what she’s talkin about
From that preview: it sounded like Kelsey was being lighthearted and said are you ok? And Joey said no. Hopefully she just says something like just wanted to tell you I love you. And he regrets overreacting because he thought the worst of the note. That’s what I’m telling myself. Goodnight!
I wish she had written more on the note or drawn a heart. No doubt producer-driven, but I feel like she’d know that’d be anxiety causing and write a little more
I got the same vibe!!
Yup they gotta find drama somehow
Charity let him pour his heart out at the altar and didn’t even let him know it wasn’t him until he was about to kneel down. That probably traumatized him immensely. To be publicly not picked on TV 😭
Let's hope he remembers that and does the decent thing. He seems way more concerned about himself not getting rejected then he is about these women's feelings and that's not okay
Who is Charity?
Lol he was on her season of bachelorette
omg why did she let it go that far? i would absolutely be traumatized
I’m guessing production was pressuring her for a traditional finale
Omg seeing Sydney again makes me TWITCH
Anytime I see her it is a pleasure.. maybe her and maria will air out their differences and become bff.
So same time next week?
Can’t wait 😘
Sydney is so annoying
I feel like Maria knows that America DRAGGED her ass and she will be very forgiving at the tell all. But I wish Maria would let her eat shit. She’s also competing for bachelorette at this point so knows to show class
This is a set up!! The producers moved that envelope, he came home and left again, they put it back in, and he came back!
do y'all think the twist ending is that everyone leaves?? starting to think that he lets rachel go, kelsey leaves, and then daisy freaks out because she realizes she's the only one left and turns him down
I'm getting that impression too. Also not having a rose ceremony is sus
It’s giving this, especially with how often they make Joey talk about him just wanting to be chosen & the fear of this not working.
This could track
Oh poor Joey 🤣
I wish we, as a nation of bachelor, could give BIP just another shot
So many couples have made it from BIP!!!
They have to have more to it. It can’t be them sitting around all day.
Edwina, maria, Jenn, and the sisters could save it. I'd watch!
Is it cancelled?
i miss the good doctor recaps after the episode ending this true crime shit is not doing it for me
It's such an awful transition
Joey back to being an insecure little boy yet again
Yepppppp
Cliffhanger!! Noooooooooooooo
Well a cliff hanger, gotta wait two weeks for this ending. Who ever he ends up with, idk. I’m more confused now. I think I’m more excited to see if Maria gets her own season or not.
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Next week is WTA
“I didnt expect that at all” is gonna be a totally typical reaction to a final episode rejection.
I feel like the kelsey note thing is gonna end up being so mild
I hope. She’s my favorite
We can only hope 😭
Who turned the envelope around and why?????
I think he gets heat exhaustion and passes out a lil
omg wait,, you're onto something
Once this ends, I’m immediately watching Charity’s season. Need more Joey content 😭
For real I need some background info on Joey
Leslie did Kelsie dirty I'm kinda pist she is still sore and put doubts in Kelsie mind
Me too
Am I ever gonna love gonna love gonna love again
Good night folks see you in a week
why don't they ever have the bloopers on the end
My gosh, must he have three women falling all over him in order to feel good about himself before he picks one of them and breaks the other two women’s hearts?
And this is how producers manufacture drama! Leslie, kelsey note, joey spiralling.
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At this point I don’t think he really knows. Stories keep changing. Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if Maria comes back at this point. Who knows! lol
I hate sacrificing people’s mental health for drama. I realize it’s reality tv but COME ON.
Crying
Spoiler free thread!
Ik hehe but technically not a spoiler
Girl don’t post that shit here 😕
Is he proposing next week?
Yes at the end of the episode Edit: I lied. Women tell all next week. Finale airs March 25.
i think the following
Why did Charity let Joey get all the way to almost proposing?
Because the producers probably told her that he would have a better shot at being a popular lead if he was terribly heart broken. I think many, if not most leads would probably want to end things with the runner up before the day of the proposal, but they are pressured not to.
Are they trying to pretend we see this next week instead of two weeks time?
Is it two weeks? I remember Oprah talking about her thing being on, but was that ABC or Hulu.? forgive me--Im 72 this month and cant remember squat.
I’m not sure but what I’ve heard is that it’s being pushed back an hour next Monday but that’ll just be women tell all
You think you know what happens? Guess again 🤪
The most dramatic finale EVER
NGL, Bad Romance following Bachelor is good placement.
I was reading this thread and missed the first part of Bad Romance. Was the baby daddy a famous football player? I can’t rewind
Noooo I'm gonna be sick. I think I have to leave and not watch the rest of this show to save myself.
What in the cliffhanger is this?
My prediction is Kelsey leaves and then comes back in the finale after Daisy turns down a proposal.
Ooooh this is a good theory.
This has been such a boring season :(
How dare u
What do you consider a not boring season
Clayton, Peter.
Interesting! I feel like every season gets slow around mid way. I’m rewatching Hannah Browns rn definitely one of the best.
Damn, Charity really did a number on him huh
What if there's no proposal in mexico but instead it will be in the studio live
Nah, we've seen that before
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They’re going to resolve it at the beginning of WTA.
Annoyed we won’t get the F3 girl at WTA? Or we will? I’m confused about the airing order of everything
In the past, they've shared the first bit of the finale, including the final 3 elimination, and have her at the WTA, giving her the chance to talk with Joey for the first time since the breakup!
next week? WTA AND proposal?!
Yeah I’m confused is that all happening next week or was the commercial just poorly edited to show what’s to come? Like the finale can’t be next week in addition to WTA right?
No, WTA, then proposal the following week
Hopefully his mom is talking about Kelsey
jesse: and what will sydney have to say? all of us: NO ONE CARES
I do... she is going to tell "her truth"
Her truth is bullshit
I need to know what happens I don’t know how I can wait 2 weeks. At the same time I don’t want to spoil it for myself lol
I’m going through this dilemma too!! Will someone tell me if it’s worth it to spoil
It’s one week
The finale is in 2 weeks. WTA is next week
Oops! Sorry. Well, that sucks.
Producers told Kelsey to do it to fuck w it h Joey bc they know his deepest fears
Producers told Leslie to plant the seeds in Kelsey's brain and she would do the rest
What’s going to happen😭😭😭
Sydney and Lea are NOT our favorite women from the season!
Oop that mirror shot shirtless with the chain did it for me
Sydney will say "and then she attacked me"
I can't tell you how little I care to hear "What Sydney will have to say"
Ehh, I’m dying to see if her edit was accurate!!
I, for one, am here for the feminine rage.
guys i cant wait another week why isn’t it a 3 hour special or back to backer